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2012-11-10 01:09:13 PM  

Summoner101: Weaver95: MSNBC just called Florida for Obama. that's officially a 'landslide victory' for Obama.

Has anyone called the West race yet?


dunno, I didn't hear.
 
2012-11-10 01:10:46 PM  
It has been for a while now. Rush Limbaugh has a huge part of the base convinced that they can only vote for a candidate that can't get elected.
 
2012-11-10 01:11:43 PM  
It was an eye-opener for me when I realized that "conservative truth" had diverged significantly from actual facts. It's really hard to have an argument with someone - or at least a useful argument - when they start with assumptions quite at odds with reality. How can I argue that the loss of so many government jobs over the last 4 years has offset much of the gains in private employment, when he can't actually wrap his head around the fact that Xa < Xb. I think it's become simply a religious thing for them, while religious beliefs are mostly harmless (an accountant doesn't need to accept that transubstantiation is primie facie false, unless he tries to change CapEx into OpEx to misstate asset value - yet, of course, Bernie Ebbers *was* a devout christian, and did attempt to perform the same miracle, failed, and caused one of the largest corporate scandals in history, for which he is still rotting in prison)

Ok, maybe my hypoethesis just disproved itself. Maybe instead of making people piss in a bottle to see what they smoke before hiring them, we should give them a bottle of piss, and ask them if they'll drink it, after a priest affirms that it's been changed into a nice chardonnay?
 
2012-11-10 01:12:48 PM  

snowshovel: Really, Romney only lost Washington, Colorado, and California due to casual drug use ballots. I think it's pretty clear that when those states realize that they can't do what they want because of the federal government, those voters will be coming back to small government republicans in droves.


You keep telling yourself that for the next 20 years.

/20 years equals how long I think it will take for the GOP to wake up and fix their problems
 
2012-11-10 01:13:01 PM  
"I mean, what is their position?" King asked. "They're mad that other people are making money? They're mad that there are no jobs in this country? Or not enough jobs? All of us believe that. We're trying to find a way to do it. You don't do it by living in dirt. You don't do it by carrying out rapes. You don't do it by carrying out anti-American slogans."
Peter King (R-N.Y.)

Oh sorry, that was about the Occupy movement, carry on.
 
2012-11-10 01:13:13 PM  

blastoh: At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.


Um, all of 'em, any of 'em that, um, have, have been in front of me over all these years. Um, I have a va-
 
2012-11-10 01:16:32 PM  

Kibbler: Concern about abortion fades into the background when there's an R in the White House.


That's because, for all the talk on a national level, abortion is principally a state-level issue. State governments have been passing restriction after restriction, making it extremely difficult to obtain an abortion in large parts of the country (and, franklny, virtually impossible in some areas).

And, as much as you say that all Bush did was talk, you forget that he also appointed two SCOTUS justices, who would likely fall on the side of upholding whatever abortion restrictions happened to come before them.
 
2012-11-10 01:16:39 PM  

shastacola: thekilt04: windbags also ranting about companies all over america laying of workers for the oncomming obamacolypse. they have held out so far... whats another 2 years

The problem is that there really has to be an obamacolypse and there isn't going to be one. "What's another 2 years", well, if they're smart,it's knowing that business abhors a vacuum as much as politics, and they can get their heads out of their asses or lose to entrepenuers who won't be so stupid.


i honestly believe 'they', whoever they are, have amounted enough cash to wait. i also believe that they would wait, and i think this vacuum you speak of will be mysteriously plagued with tragedies and scandals.

/and if i go full tinhat, i also think they have the ability to fully stall congress and cause another 'creditcrunch'
//i went full tinhat long time ago
 
2012-11-10 01:17:35 PM  

Weaver95: MSNBC just called Florida for Obama. that's officially a 'landslide victory' for Obama.


CNN is doing the same. 332-206 is the final. Not quite as dominant as the 365 Obama got in 2008, but far better than I think anyone (including the Obama team) expected.

/As long as they weren't doing hard math.
 
2012-11-10 01:18:42 PM  

snowshovel: Really, Romney only lost Washington, Colorado, and California due to casual drug use ballots.


Comedy Gold, Jerry.
 
2012-11-10 01:19:46 PM  
It seemed to me that the conservatives used to be the grownups in politics. They weren't the wide-eyed idealists believing that simply having their party in power would magically fix the world and their opponents would somehow completely destroy it. They were clear-headed realists that thought endless welfare wasn't helping society, America needed to wisely marshal its military and engage in conflicts only when our national interest was at stake, and business needed a combination of smart regulation and free market.

Now they only believe in mindless principles that are free from the context of reality. We are always stronger attacking our foreign policy foes, everyone should be on their own with no safety net, and any regulation hurts all business. This is directly due to their media assuming control of their party. Their media doesn't serve them, they serve their media.
 
2012-11-10 01:19:47 PM  
The biggest mistake liberals will make now is assuming that Obama won on ideas. I voted for him. I think he's been a great president. I don't think, however, that conservatism is done in this country by a long shot.

Obama simply ran a better campaign. That's the lesson that liberals need to take away from this election, not that demographics are going to result in an automatic permanent majority.

Remember, Romney still managed to capture about half the country's vote; even with a stumbling campaign.
 
2012-11-10 01:20:21 PM  

Dinki: And I don't see them ever changing on abortion - their religious right base would never allow it.


I don't believe that. The religious right not allowing it, sure. But the Republican party didn't align itself with the religious right's values. They aligned with their votes. After those votes are not enough to win an election, their days are numbered.

Do you really think the Republican party will go down with the ship over principles? That's not the Republican party I know.
 
2012-11-10 01:21:41 PM  

Weaver95: Summoner101: Weaver95: MSNBC just called Florida for Obama. that's officially a 'landslide victory' for Obama.

Has anyone called the West race yet?

dunno, I didn't hear.


CNN has Murphy leading West by 2,442 votes, less than 0.1%. That's almost certainly heading to a recount.
 
2012-11-10 01:24:50 PM  

Summoner101: It all depends. If the Dems can have the same ground game in 2014 that they had this year, the House could be in play considering the Dems were able to contest many seats that were thought to be safe. The GOP can have some pick ups in the Senate, since 2014 is another year where Dems have more contested seats than the GOP, but, considering they were supposed to have pick ups this year and actually lost two seats, that remains to be seen.

The current iteration of the GOP only wins elections because their base happens to be the ones that show up. Since their base is also dying off, that advantage is slowly eroding make each cycle harder and harder to win. As far as 2014, they might make pick ups, the minority party generally does in mid terms. I doubt it will be anything enough to change the status quo.




I would be interested in seeing how is up for re-election in 2014. As it stands, I bet that for all the talk Boehner is putting on about the Fiscal Cliff, it is likely just talk and there will be (relatively) less pushback. I predict a disconnect between the Republicans in Congress and their base that will eventually end in the Congressmen being primaried by Teabagger types who lose the election. Might not be enough to tip the House to the Dems in 2014, but maybe in 2016.
 
2012-11-10 01:26:20 PM  

Summoner101: epoch: Summoner101: You have to give the GOP some credit, they built their echo chamber with some outstanding resilience.

Unfortunately, they'll end up like Porky from Mother 3.

/I'm a geek, sue me

That is awesome.

Nothing is obscure on Fark!


That's actually a really great metaphor. Like Porky, they're collecting the pieces of history they opposed and claiing it as their own, in addition to being craven consumerists hell-bent on destroying what little there is left that is pristine.
 
2012-11-10 01:27:50 PM  

desertgeek: CNN has Murphy leading West by 2,442 votes, less than 0.1%. That's almost certainly heading to a recount.


A 2442 vote difference would be a 0.74% (329338 total votes) difference. I believe the margin has to be 0.5% in Florida to trigger an automatic recount.
 
2012-11-10 01:32:09 PM  
I just dream of a day that I can have an honest, calm discussion with a conservative about spending and taxes, the banking industry and military intervention, and things not having to do with who marries who or the morality of ingesting plants into one's body. I hope that day comes sooner than I thought that it would.
 
2012-11-10 01:35:41 PM  

Summoner101: desertgeek: CNN has Murphy leading West by 2,442 votes, less than 0.1%. That's almost certainly heading to a recount.

A 2442 vote difference would be a 0.74% (329338 total votes) difference. I believe the margin has to be 0.5% in Florida to trigger an automatic recount.


You're right. I didn't move the decimal point over far enough in my mind.
 
2012-11-10 01:37:20 PM  
I couldn't find a transcript, so sorta paraphrased, straight from Papa Bear:

"What do you think is the most fundamental problem with the current political discourse?"

The problem with the discourse deal is capitalism. That's the problem with it, because ... You can make a lot of money by being an assassin. A lot of money. Whether right wing or left wing. You go in and you're a hater - radio, cable, in print, whatever - you get paid. And there's a people who do that - they go in, they don't even believe half the stuff they say, and they just rip it up. And they get paid a lot of money. And that has coarsened everything - they're phonies. And capitalism drives that. There are people, Americans, who want to hear hate, and they hear it. And that has just blown it all up. There's no rules on the internet, none. Just go listen to the comments, after this program, I'm sure there will be chat rooms about this, wait till you see the comments, wait till you see em. And that, its not coming back either, its not going to get any better. But we have to live with it - freedom of speech. ~ Bill O'Reilly, Rumble 2012
 
2012-11-10 01:41:50 PM  

dartben: thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

How does one gerrymander the Senate?


Ssshhhhhh! We don't need Texas splitting into 4 states!
 
2012-11-10 01:43:28 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I just dream of a day that I can have an honest, calm discussion with a conservative about spending and taxes, the banking industry and military intervention, and things not having to do with who marries who or the morality of ingesting plants into one's body. I hope that day comes sooner than I thought that it would.


Well, the problem in the US, IMHO is that BOTH sides are profligate big spenders, just on different crap.

/ we do need an effective military, just not one that's as grossly huge as the one we currently have
// we do need an safety net for those less fortunate, just not one that as disorganized and inefficient as the one we currently have.
 
2012-11-10 01:43:45 PM  
When Conservationists are reviled by Conservatives that's a big stretch that conservative means anything.

And that real conservatives haven't found a new label to replace the one hijacked by opportunists must be something very complicated going on.

Since the Southern Republicans took over the care and maintenance of the Klan prior to HW Bush's run, becoming a Republican became more complicated and becoming a Democrat much simpler. 

Just like the family with the uncle who thinks he's a chicken can't quite get him help because they need the eggs.
 
2012-11-10 01:44:25 PM  
'The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."' - Ron Suskind
 
2012-11-10 01:46:21 PM  

Dinki: Stone Meadow: I read yesterday (did I see it on Fark?) a conservative op/ed piece that said the GOP needed to drop their opposition to immigration reform, abortion and same sex marriage like...tomorrow, and concentrate on fiscal responsibility and small government if they are to avoid catastrophic losses in 2014 and 2016.

Yeah, I think it was Boortz saying that. The problem is motivation, and how people will view their sudden change of heart. Democrats support immigration reform because they see it as a fundamental human rights issue- that if you are obeying the law, working hard, and playing by the rules, then the fact that you crossed an imaginary line on a map should be irrelevant. They see the very real human cost of breaking up families to send immigrants back to their home country as unacceptable. The GOP seem to think that accepting immigration reform just to take the issue off the table, without really accepting the underlying premise of immigration reform will somehow fly with Latinos. We'll see.

Gay marriage is pretty much the same thing- people will see that any change in the GOP position isn't because of a change of heart, but only a cynical adjustment to remove a negative from their books.

And I don't see them ever changing on abortion - their religious right base would never allow it.


Thank you! You are correct...it was Boortz. Like I said, it remains to be seen if the message gets through, but at least there is some amount of introspection going on.
 
2012-11-10 01:46:55 PM  

contrapunctus: The biggest mistake liberals will make now is assuming that Obama won on ideas. I voted for him. I think he's been a great president. I don't think, however, that conservatism is done in this country by a long shot.

Obama simply ran a better campaign. That's the lesson that liberals need to take away from this election, not that demographics are going to result in an automatic permanent majority.

Remember, Romney still managed to capture about half the country's vote; even with a stumbling campaign.


I disagree, a little. On Tuesday we saw pot win in a few states, marriage equality win in every state where it was on the ballot, and a black dude with a Muslim name beat a slick white republican to win a second term, even with unemployment over 7%.

Obama's biggest insight was that the youth vote never got out because no one ever really tried to engage them before. They are MUCH further left than their parents and there are more of them. Only one party has a real shot at capturing the youth vote (that ship sailed for the myopic GOP), so this is going to be a generational problem for the republicans if they don't get their shiat together.

If course, as I write this, some fat old white man is hammering a "Santorum '16" sign into his front lawn without a trace of irony, so good luck with that.
 
2012-11-10 01:51:37 PM  
I was listening to Rush yesterday and one of his callers called in to say he believed Obama rigged the election results, because ... well Benghazi, and gave Mitt 47% of the vote as a symbolic F-U gesture.
 
2012-11-10 01:53:18 PM  

thekilt04: i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"


Which I always find ironic, because conservatives haven't experienced the real world in years.
 
2012-11-10 01:55:01 PM  
I think there may actually be something to this, though not in the way Slate spins it.

Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense. Conservative media should have taken up the task of disproving this Big Lie, but has instead, to put it mildly, played directly into it. We lost because the people see us as wolves, and now we have to prove that we are not, going up against the mountains of evidence that our own media did more work to provide than theirs did to gather.
 
2012-11-10 01:55:13 PM  

El_Perro: Kibbler: Concern about abortion fades into the background when there's an R in the White House.

That's because, for all the talk on a national level, abortion is principally a state-level issue. State governments have been passing restriction after restriction, making it extremely difficult to obtain an abortion in large parts of the country (and, franklny, virtually impossible in some areas).

And, as much as you say that all Bush did was talk, you forget that he also appointed two SCOTUS justices, who would likely fall on the side of upholding whatever abortion restrictions happened to come before them.


I agree on both points. My point is that the base tried to thump Obama as a babykiller. When it's an R in the White House, suddenly they're back to "state issue" and "Supreme Court."

When it's a D, "ZOMG WHITE HOUSE BABYKILLER."
 
2012-11-10 01:56:30 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.


Actually, that'd be a shame. When Fox does news, they tend to be pretty accurate and easy to read. It's nice to have that around.
 
2012-11-10 01:58:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: thekilt04: i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"

Which I always find ironic, because conservatives haven't experienced the real world in years.


Also odd because, as I got out into the real world, met people, and got a job and had to pay bills, I have only become more liberal.

/You won't believe this, but same thing happened once I read the Bible more closely.
 
2012-11-10 01:59:30 PM  

syrynxx: They're just going to keep bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.


And hate. Don't forget hate.
 
2012-11-10 02:01:18 PM  

Smelly McUgly: HeartBurnKid: thekilt04: i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"

Which I always find ironic, because conservatives haven't experienced the real world in years.

Also odd because, as I got out into the real world, met people, and got a job and had to pay bills, I have only become more liberal.

/You won't believe this, but same thing happened once I read the Bible more closely.


Not that I want to turn this into a religious flamewar or anything, so this is the last word I'll say on the subject, but reading the bible is what turned me into an atheist.
 
2012-11-10 02:02:20 PM  

Millennium: I think there may actually be something to this, though not in the way Slate spins it.

Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense. Conservative media should have taken up the task of disproving this Big Lie, but has instead, to put it mildly, played directly into it. We lost because the people see us as wolves, and now we have to prove that we are not, going up against the mountains of evidence that our own media did more work to provide than theirs did to gather.


You could try just not being so evil. That might work.
 
2012-11-10 02:03:39 PM  
Count me as one of the conservative/libertarian Republicans who has been trying to fight the Limbaugh/Hannity/Coulter Axis of Turditry for years.

I've put in hours trying to convince my GOP friends to ditch this crowd, and believe it or not, I think with this election proving me right, some of them are starting to listen. I was president of my College Republicans club a few years ago, and while I fully admit my youthful douchebaggery, I have to say I remain hopeful that we can free ourselves from the self-contained echo-chamber infotainment bubble.

I posted a site to the CRs' group on rethinking the GOP position on Abortion and SSM, and didn't immediately get banned or shot down, so that's a start.

Then again, Free Republic just booted me because I posted in their "Why Mitt Lost" thread that it was time for the GOP to start looking inward instead of blaming a mass conspiracy of slender pollsters and scheming minority reporters.

Long road ahead. I alternate between wanting to try to better the part from within, or just leaving it and voting myself into obscurity with a third party/independents.
 
2012-11-10 02:04:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Smelly McUgly: HeartBurnKid: thekilt04: i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"

Which I always find ironic, because conservatives haven't experienced the real world in years.

Also odd because, as I got out into the real world, met people, and got a job and had to pay bills, I have only become more liberal.

/You won't believe this, but same thing happened once I read the Bible more closely.

Not that I want to turn this into a religious flamewar or anything, so this is the last word I'll say on the subject, but reading the bible is what turned me into an atheist.


Eh, I've heard that from people. No interest in a flamewar here at all; I was merely indicating that doing the activities that Republicans are sure make us younger folks conservatives did the exact opposite to me.

/Now I'm thirty, which is not so young anymore. :(
 
2012-11-10 02:04:59 PM  
They couldn't be honest about how poorly their candidate was doing because it might jeopardize the flow of campaign contributions. If the rank and file republicans realized how utterly and completely they were duped by their own party's leadership, it would probably be the end of the party.
 
2012-11-10 02:06:28 PM  

Millennium: Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense.


Unthinking:  upload.wikimedia.org

Greedy: static3.businessinsider.com


Hateful: upload.wikimedia.org

Dishonest: www.biography.com

and last, but not least;

Delusional: static01.mediaite.com
 
2012-11-10 02:07:18 PM  

ToxicMunkee: I'm okay with this. Because I love it when they call me a slut because of my whore pills. And I love it when they say I'm warring on their Jesus because I say "Happy Holidays."

It's fun for me.


How YOU doin?
 
2012-11-10 02:09:07 PM  

Smelly McUgly: HeartBurnKid: Smelly McUgly: HeartBurnKid: thekilt04: i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"

Which I always find ironic, because conservatives haven't experienced the real world in years.

Also odd because, as I got out into the real world, met people, and got a job and had to pay bills, I have only become more liberal.

/You won't believe this, but same thing happened once I read the Bible more closely.

Not that I want to turn this into a religious flamewar or anything, so this is the last word I'll say on the subject, but reading the bible is what turned me into an atheist.

Eh, I've heard that from people. No interest in a flamewar here at all; I was merely indicating that doing the activities that Republicans are sure make us younger folks conservatives did the exact opposite to me.

/Now I'm thirty, which is not so young anymore. :(


Thirty-three here.
 
2012-11-10 02:15:51 PM  

Weaver95: Girl From The North Country: You would have thought that this election would have snapped them out of their echo chamber. They have to realize they were being fed a false narrative.

I have a friend who is a huge Glenn Beck fan. He is otherwise a very smart, analytical type. If this doesn't wake him up then I will have lost all hope. He honestly believes he 'knows' Glenn, a true patriot, who would do anything to save this country from the Socialist. Not an 'entertainer' who makes millions off of scaring people about the various atrocities that the Dems want to inflict upon them for all eternity.

talk to your friend. just be aware that transitioning from the echo chamber to reality can be a very jarring experience.


I texted a friend of mine last night to invite her husband & her over for dinner next week. They are both EXTREME Fox News watching, Glenn Beck listening conservatives whom I know were completely expecting a Romney victory last Tuesday. I want to see if they're... OK. It's hard to really describe. I guess I'm just hoping that Obama's re-election didn't tip them off into the deep. I've been friends with the husband since we were both 12 years old. That friendship would be a really hard one to lose.
 
2012-11-10 02:16:45 PM  

Millennium: I think there may actually be something to this, though not in the way Slate spins it.

Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense. Conservative media should have taken up the task of disproving this Big Lie, but has instead, to put it mildly, played directly into it. We lost because the people see us as wolves, and now we have to prove that we are not, going up against the mountains of evidence that our own media did more work to provide than theirs did to gather.


Just checking, but you did see the stories about Chick Fil A and gays, the various business owners telling their employees how to vote, and Papa Johns and the coal mine owners laying off people after Obama won?

/Are those all big lies?
//Which way would you expect those kinds of stories to be told?
///"The heroic owner of Papa John's will lay off workers because he can't afford a $0.14 increase per pizza. Really?"
 
2012-11-10 02:22:09 PM  

thekilt04: "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged by people whose jobs we outsourced the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"


ftfy. the ultimate goal is not to help the country, it's to make more and more conservatives.
 
2012-11-10 02:38:18 PM  
Who to thank for Obama's victory?
1) Ronald Reagan, because his "thou shall not speak ill of another Republican" edict has caused the party to devolve to its lowest common denominators.
2) Citizens United, which put the clowns in the clown car and ate up Romney's time and money.
 
2012-11-10 02:54:18 PM  

MacWizard: The article's lede: "When Republicans perform a full autopsy on the 2012 elections, they'll realize they only deluded themselves"

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. They ran an quick post-mortem and decided that the obvious problem was that they simply weren't conservative enough.


That's the best part. They have not choice but to go extreme right. The Democratic party now spans the political spectrum from moderately-liberal to centrist to moderately-conservative. Extreme-right positions are the only positions a Republican candidate can stake out that aren't already supported by the Democrats. Of course the Republicans could always jettison their Tea Party, religious-right, nationalistic base and try reclaim their traditional conservative positions from the Democrats. Either way, the schadenfreude should be delicious and should last for several years.
 
2012-11-10 03:00:06 PM  
Is there a liberal equivalent of the conservative media? (Please don't say MSM.) I know people occasionally point to MSNBC as the "mirror" of FoxNews, but I don't feel that's entirely accurate. What about Rush, Beck, Hannity, etc.? NPR is sometimes brought up as a counter to Rush & Beck, but I don't think that's accurate, either. And, or course, Stewart's & Colbert's names are often mentioned as liberal mouthpieces but they don't spew a bunch of crap so much as they highlight what others are spewing.
Is there a nationally syndicated liberal "firebrand" somewhere in AM radio giving lip service to left wing positions while using them to demonize Republicans for the purpose of making his listeners feel threatened so that he can comfort them?


On an unrelated note...
threadjack
This is why I love Fark. I'm reading along through a rational discussion about a topic that interests me, with various ideas being debated from different viewpoints when BAM! I come across this:

Aarontology: I'm getting tired of you people bad mouthing the good name of jerking off.

and suddenly I've got mountain dew coming out of my nose and I'm choking like a 14-year old kid taking his first bong hit. If I had more time to spend, I'd probably have to get totalFark.
/threadjack
 
2012-11-10 03:01:08 PM  

Millennium: I think there may actually be something to this, though not in the way Slate spins it.

Over the past few decades, but especially the most recent, those in power among the liberals have done an excellent job of convincing the rank and file that the opposition is unthinking, greedy, hateful, dishonest, delusional... in a word, evil in the mustache-twirling villain sense. Conservative media should have taken up the task of disproving this Big Lie, but has instead, to put it mildly, played directly into it. We lost because the people see us as wolves, and now we have to prove that we are not, going up against the mountains of evidence that our own media did more work to provide than theirs did to gather.


This is my favorite article on the subject.
 
2012-11-10 03:12:29 PM  
No, that's not how it works.

Conservative media helps conservatives by being honest.

Liberal media helps liberals by being dishonest.
 
2012-11-10 03:19:44 PM  

randomjsa: No, that's not how it works.

Conservative media helps conservatives by being honest.

Liberal media helps liberals by being dishonest.


Well, that's certainly been the right-wing media's mantra for over 20 years. But this last election showed conclusively how that's not true. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for conservatives continuing to believe right-wing media's description of their "reality", or even (a dream come true) doubling down on it. But if you do, please understand that the White House will belong to the Democrats for a generation.
 
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