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2012-11-10 12:25:07 PM

blastoh: I think Nate Silver accuracy did a lot more to damage and discredit the conservative media than anything else.

He used facts and science to predict the outcome.

They made shiat up, and said anyone who did not buy into their narrative was part of some conspiracy.

And were wrong.

Then, they acted all shocked when they were wrong.


At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.


That's easy: every time they speak.
 
2012-11-10 12:25:17 PM

blastoh: At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.


You're giving some people too much credit. For many people, our political system has turned in to a sporting event. Instead of analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of both sides and choosing to support the candidate more aligned with your ideals, people choose their candidates because of the team they play on no matter how they play.
 
2012-11-10 12:28:18 PM
This is a comforting claim that will bounce around the left wing echo chamber for a while, but it is no more true than the "unskewed polls" thing.

American'S problem is it doesn't like inconvenient truth.
 
2012-11-10 12:28:37 PM

thekilt04: Summoner101: LiberalWeenie: shastacola: This is the most delicious irony of the GOP's slow crawl toward irrelevance since their embrace of the southern strategy,They're forced to "dance with one that brung ya", and it's going to destroy them.

On the southern strategy: There was an article here not long ago saying Rmoney won the same percentage of the white vote that St. Reagan did in his 49-state landslide.

The southern strategy is dead.

If the southern strategy was dead, the GOP would lose less elections since they wouldn't have to go so far right to win primaries.

mmmm i would say the southern strategy is dead when it comes to exectuvie elections. at least the last two, who knows what horrors 2016 will bring.

but i can dam well almost gaurenntee you that the 2014 midterms will be a sweeping win by the repubs. even if they go back to the Teahadists.

not to be mean, but i feel like the focus on the individual, obanhammer or mittens, is easier for the youth, disenfranchised and 'minorities' to focus on and actually make decisions about. of note i read somewhere that the turn out for both parties was DOWN from 2008... but more so for the republicans. i mean they kinda got blown out of the water...

BUT

because midterms contain so many races, the media (con and otherwise) doesn't have as much of an overall effect. and since the majority of the repubs base actually does vote for the midterms... and the dems base not so much....

i am still standing by my theory that Mittens was an R version of John Kerry, to ensure that the House and Senate swing full R come 2014.


This was almost the exact argument for the elections in 2010, and even though the GOP picked up the house, their current strategy lost them the almost sure take of the Senate. Considering the demographics are only getting worse for the GOP, I'm going to say you'll need a lot more evidence aside from conjecture for me to believe you.
 
2012-11-10 12:29:08 PM

Kibbler: I'm sorry, but no. The biggest threat to conservatism is bigots who want to be told that their Real Murica is being threatened by gays, brown people, Mooslims, vaginas and "gubbmint." If they weren't demanding to be shouted these threats at them, the media wouldn't be a problem. It would adapt and stop shrieking the same tired messages.

If the media is to blame, it's that they amplify something like the whole insurance-paying-for-birth-control thing to the point that conservatives who use birth control take up the "b-b-but religious freedom" chant because they imagine they're scoring points against the monstrous slave reparations soshulist tyranny.

But the core of the problem is insectoid paranoia.



ready for this? the idea that the GOVERNMENT should be doing ANYTHING to those groups? liberal. not Liberal, not libreal not lirealbral... liberal.

/if yer toast is yer life, and yer butter is the gob'ment... then how do you apply yer butter?
//also the birth control ranting was moreso to justify what windbrah had said to fluke.
///its the insurance companies that pay for it anyways...
 
2012-11-10 12:29:53 PM
Well duh.

But that's just the symptom
 
2012-11-10 12:31:33 PM

Weaver95: yeah but its early yet. i'm sure that right now a bunch of elite GOP inner circle members are sitting around a table somewhere and having a frank, no bullshiat discussion about what they're gonna do for 2014. they got their asses beat and they know it. propaganda aside, they KNOW they lost big and I very strongly suspect that it's shocking enough to force them to confront a reality they're not very fond of admitting exists in the first place.

strange times indeed for the GOP. they might actually be desperate enough to move back to the center.


I'm sure you're right with the first part, that the inner circle is debating this. But I'm not so sure that an inner circle is actually in control of the party anymore. The Tea Party has had enough success in the primaries against establishment backed candidates that it will be tough to take charge again. It's really the Republican party's fault for being desperate enough for votes to let the extremists have the driver's seat, but now we all have to deal with the loss of moderates. Do you really think that Rush, Beck, and Fox followers will willingly brought back to the center, just because it's better for the party?

Too many people are convinced that Romney's problem was not being conservative enough, when it's probably more likely he was too tainted with the extreme conservative stink he had to wallow in to win the primary.
 
2012-11-10 12:32:25 PM

Summoner101: thekilt04: Summoner101: LiberalWeenie: shastacola: This is the most delicious irony of the GOP's slow crawl toward irrelevance since their embrace of the southern strategy,They're forced to "dance with one that brung ya", and it's going to destroy them.

On the southern strategy: There was an article here not long ago saying Rmoney won the same percentage of the white vote that St. Reagan did in his 49-state landslide.

The southern strategy is dead.

If the southern strategy was dead, the GOP would lose less elections since they wouldn't have to go so far right to win primaries.

mmmm i would say the southern strategy is dead when it comes to exectuvie elections. at least the last two, who knows what horrors 2016 will bring.

but i can dam well almost gaurenntee you that the 2014 midterms will be a sweeping win by the repubs. even if they go back to the Teahadists.

not to be mean, but i feel like the focus on the individual, obanhammer or mittens, is easier for the youth, disenfranchised and 'minorities' to focus on and actually make decisions about. of note i read somewhere that the turn out for both parties was DOWN from 2008... but more so for the republicans. i mean they kinda got blown out of the water...

BUT

because midterms contain so many races, the media (con and otherwise) doesn't have as much of an overall effect. and since the majority of the repubs base actually does vote for the midterms... and the dems base not so much....

i am still standing by my theory that Mittens was an R version of John Kerry, to ensure that the House and Senate swing full R come 2014.

This was almost the exact argument for the elections in 2010, and even though the GOP picked up the house, their current strategy lost them the almost sure take of the Senate. Considering the demographics are only getting worse for the GOP, I'm going to say you'll need a lot more evidence aside from conjecture for me to believe you.


mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

/also, how do you like the trending of more Independents in the Senate?
 
2012-11-10 12:33:50 PM

FloydA: i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.

Hey now, that's over the line. What's wrong with potato chips, bourbon, and jacking off?


Yeah! I'm doing all three as I read this thread, and what's wrong with that?!

/well, actually only two of the three
//but which two . . . ?
 
2012-11-10 12:35:14 PM

Stone Meadow: Weaver95: MacWizard: The article's lede: "When Republicans perform a full autopsy on the 2012 elections, they'll realize they only deluded themselves"

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. They ran an quick post-mortem and decided that the obvious problem was that they simply weren't conservative enough.

yeah but its early yet. i'm sure that right now a bunch of elite GOP inner circle members are sitting around a table somewhere and having a frank, no bullshiat discussion about what they're gonna do for 2014. they got their asses beat and they know it. propaganda aside, they KNOW they lost big and I very strongly suspect that it's shocking enough to force them to confront a reality they're not very fond of admitting exists in the first place.

strange times indeed for the GOP. they might actually be desperate enough to move back to the center.

Glad I refreshed the page, because I came to make this point. In fact, I read yesterday (did I see it on Fark?) a conservative op/ed piece that said the GOP needed to drop their opposition to immigration reform, abortion and same sex marriage like...tomorrow, and concentrate on fiscal responsibility and small government if they are to avoid catastrophic losses in 2014 and 2016. So, the introspection is going on, but it remains to be seen whether the party as a whole embraces it, or if the Teahadist wing calling for them to go even further rightward will prevail.


Like many addicts, you have to hit bottom before you can start to change. The GOP has not hit bottom. Even now they are saying the problem isn't in their polices, it's in the messaging. They honestly believe that if they can just find the right notes, the people will suddenly see the light.

No, I don't think the GOP will make any substantial changes for at least one more presidential cycle. And boy howdy, are we going to be in for a show when they try to wean themselves off of the tea baggers and evangelicals.
 
2012-11-10 12:37:37 PM

blastoh: At some point, people have to ask.... how many times are these people going to be wrong.


A: every time
 
2012-11-10 12:38:14 PM

Erix:
I'm sure you're right with the first part, that the inner circle is debating this. But I'm not so sure that an inner circle is actually in control of the party anymore. The Tea Party has had enough success in the primaries against establishment backed candidates that it will be tough to take charge again. It's really the Republican party's fault for being desperate enough for votes to let the extremists have the driver's seat, but now we all have to deal with the loss of moderates. Do you really think that Rush, Beck, and Fox followers will willingly brought back to the center, just because it's better for the party?

Too many people are convinced that Romney's problem was not being conservative enough, when it's probably more likely he was too tainted with the extreme conservative stink he had to wallow in to win the primary.


Oh I don't know what the end result of this electoral beat down is going to be for the Republicans. the only thing i'm certain of is that the GOP elites are no doubt pondering their future and that they probably do not like their options.
 
2012-11-10 12:38:16 PM

thekilt04: Summoner101: thekilt04: Summoner101: LiberalWeenie: shastacola: This is the most delicious irony of the GOP's slow crawl toward irrelevance since their embrace of the southern strategy,They're forced to "dance with one that brung ya", and it's going to destroy them.

On the southern strategy: There was an article here not long ago saying Rmoney won the same percentage of the white vote that St. Reagan did in his 49-state landslide.

The southern strategy is dead.

If the southern strategy was dead, the GOP would lose less elections since they wouldn't have to go so far right to win primaries.

mmmm i would say the southern strategy is dead when it comes to exectuvie elections. at least the last two, who knows what horrors 2016 will bring.

but i can dam well almost gaurenntee you that the 2014 midterms will be a sweeping win by the repubs. even if they go back to the Teahadists.

not to be mean, but i feel like the focus on the individual, obanhammer or mittens, is easier for the youth, disenfranchised and 'minorities' to focus on and actually make decisions about. of note i read somewhere that the turn out for both parties was DOWN from 2008... but more so for the republicans. i mean they kinda got blown out of the water...

BUT

because midterms contain so many races, the media (con and otherwise) doesn't have as much of an overall effect. and since the majority of the repubs base actually does vote for the midterms... and the dems base not so much....

i am still standing by my theory that Mittens was an R version of John Kerry, to ensure that the House and Senate swing full R come 2014.

This was almost the exact argument for the elections in 2010, and even though the GOP picked up the house, their current strategy lost them the almost sure take of the Senate. Considering the demographics are only getting worse for the GOP, I'm going to say you'll need a lot more evidence aside from conjecture for me to believe you.

mmm the senate will loose some Ds. eith ...


It all depends. If the Dems can have the same ground game in 2014 that they had this year, the House could be in play considering the Dems were able to contest many seats that were thought to be safe. The GOP can have some pick ups in the Senate, since 2014 is another year where Dems have more contested seats than the GOP, but, considering they were supposed to have pick ups this year and actually lost two seats, that remains to be seen.

The current iteration of the GOP only wins elections because their base happens to be the ones that show up. Since their base is also dying off, that advantage is slowly eroding make each cycle harder and harder to win. As far as 2014, they might make pick ups, the minority party generally does in mid terms. I doubt it will be anything enough to change the status quo.
 
2012-11-10 12:39:47 PM

thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?


Even if the tea partiers continue knocking out establishment Republicans? Remember Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell lost in 2010. Even if the economy is a lot better and an "are you better off than you were x years ago" argument would be ridiculous?
 
2012-11-10 12:41:07 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Like many addicts, you have to hit bottom before you can start to change. The GOP has not hit bottom. Even now they are saying the problem isn't in their polices, it's in the messaging. They honestly believe that if they can just find the right notes, the people will suddenly see the light.


THIS.

I've heard from a couple of Republicans. The message was: "I can't believe we just re-hired this guy. He admitted that he FAILED. We re-hired him. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?"

Two points.

1. The word "re-hired" keeps popping up. They imagine themselves as "job creators" and speak accordingly. They live in a fantasy world. It's an election, nitwits, you are not running a corporation, you are not a majority stockholder. Democratic election.

2. "If you don't vote the way I do, you are WRONG FOR MURICA."

Nothing whatsoever has been learned. They still think they just haven't found the right way to get through to Real Muricans. They think that, if they can convince us that only pregnant whores claim rape, and brown people are lazy, and all taxes paid by "job creators" are criminal, and Mooslims are plotting to murder us in our beds, we will vote for the derp.

Fanatically convinced. I don't think the people I'm referring to will ever change, even a tiny bit.
 
2012-11-10 12:41:10 PM

FloydA: What's wrong with potato chips, bourbon, and jacking off?


Sounds like a typical morning around here.
 
2012-11-10 12:41:20 PM

thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?


How does one gerrymander the Senate?
 
2012-11-10 12:43:01 PM

dartben: thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

How does one gerrymander the Senate?


CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE JUST WON THE INTERNETS
 
2012-11-10 12:44:01 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.


You leave bourbon out of this. Bourbon did nothing to you. It's more like a potato-chips and bud light jack-off session.
 
2012-11-10 12:44:36 PM

Stone Meadow: I read yesterday (did I see it on Fark?) a conservative op/ed piece that said the GOP needed to drop their opposition to immigration reform, abortion and same sex marriage like...tomorrow, and concentrate on fiscal responsibility and small government if they are to avoid catastrophic losses in 2014 and 2016.


Yeah, I think it was Boortz saying that. The problem is motivation, and how people will view their sudden change of heart. Democrats support immigration reform because they see it as a fundamental human rights issue- that if you are obeying the law, working hard, and playing by the rules, then the fact that you crossed an imaginary line on a map should be irrelevant. They see the very real human cost of breaking up families to send immigrants back to their home country as unacceptable. The GOP seem to think that accepting immigration reform just to take the issue off the table, without really accepting the underlying premise of immigration reform will somehow fly with Latinos. We'll see.

Gay marriage is pretty much the same thing- people will see that any change in the GOP position isn't because of a change of heart, but only a cynical adjustment to remove a negative from their books.

And I don't see them ever changing on abortion - their religious right base would never allow it.
 
2012-11-10 12:44:43 PM

dartben: thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

How does one gerrymander the Senate?


It was a lot easier back when the states elected the senators.
 
2012-11-10 12:44:43 PM
I wonder how many Republican voters who kept on hearing people like Rush or Fox news saying that Romney was going to win by a gigantic landslide and that he was going to pummel Obama thought to themselves, "Well, if he's going to win by that much then he really doesn't need my vote." And then didn't vote.
 
2012-11-10 12:44:53 PM

Weaver95: The next four years will be boom times for conservative media; it's always good for business when your enemies are in power. They will continue to infuriate liberals

I don't think 'infuriate' is the right word. 'slightly amuse' might be better. Limbaugh and his buddies are actually some of the best recruiters for the Democratic party in the history of ever. especially in light of the recent elections - the right wing media is training rank and file Republicans to fail. look, it's a simple fact of life that if you do not understand your opponent then your opponent is going to win. the Democrats understand the GOP very well...we know what they are, we know their goals, we know how they operate and we can plan effectively to beat them in an election...this was proved on election day. But the GOP don't sit down and have a hard headed realistic analysis of their own strengths and weaknesses, let alone a clear view of the Democratic party. they listen to their own propaganda, which tells them that everyone not GOP is corrupt, immoral and weak. The GOP is on the side of GOD, their views are superior, and that everyone is living in a 'christian nation' and deep down that everyone is actually a flag waving bible thumping christian just waiting to vote for a Republican leadership. the Republicans don't stop and consider what works for them and what doesn't. they consider compromise a weakness, and show contempt for even those among their own who want to find a way to work with anyone outside the GOP echo chamber.

Basically, the Republican party teaches their rank and file to lose. if you don't respect what your opponent can do, then you cannot plan an effective strategy to deal with their tactics. if you have contempt for everyone who is different, it blinds you to their potential that's why I lurve Rush Limbaugh - he's killing the GOP and doesn't know it. I don't want to shut him down...I want him right where he's at, doing exactly what he's doing. Dear gods ...


It's less "understanding your enemy" (which does help, of course) and more that no matter WHAT they do, WHAT is going on, or WHAT reality is: they're winning. It's the same hypocritical mentality that allows them to lash out at anyone who dares suggest American isn't the greatest country of all time for all time while simultaneously putting forth the narrative that it's on the precipice of being completely obliterated by things like socialized medicine or housing terrorists on domestic soil. This also curtails anything like improving the country, because in order to improve it, you tacitly admit that it's not already perfect. THAT is their greatest weakness.
 
2012-11-10 12:46:01 PM

Weaver95: The next four years will be boom times for conservative media; it's always good for business when your enemies are in power. They will continue to infuriate liberals

I don't think 'infuriate' is the right word. 'slightly amuse' might be better. Limbaugh and his buddies are actually some of the best recruiters for the Democratic party in the history of ever. especially in light of the recent elections - the right wing media is training rank and file Republicans to fail. look, it's a simple fact of life that if you do not understand your opponent then your opponent is going to win. the Democrats understand the GOP very well...we know what they are, we know their goals, we know how they operate and we can plan effectively to beat them in an election...this was proved on election day. But the GOP don't sit down and have a hard headed realistic analysis of their own strengths and weaknesses, let alone a clear view of the Democratic party. they listen to their own propaganda, which tells them that everyone not GOP is corrupt, immoral and weak. The GOP is on the side of GOD, their views are superior, and that everyone is living in a 'christian nation' and deep down that everyone is actually a flag waving bible thumping christian just waiting to vote for a Republican leadership. the Republicans don't stop and consider what works for them and what doesn't. they consider compromise a weakness, and show contempt for even those among their own who want to find a way to work with anyone outside the GOP echo chamber.

Basically, the Republican party teaches their rank and file to lose. if you don't respect what your opponent can do, then you cannot plan an effective strategy to deal with their tactics. if you have contempt for everyone who is different, it blinds you to their potential that's why I lurve Rush Limbaugh - he's killing the GOP and doesn't know it. I don't want to shut him down...I want him right where he's at, doing exactly what he's doing. Dear gods ...


Oh, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh knows exactly what he's doing. To his party, and to his nation. He just doesn't care. As long as the checks keep rolling in, he's perfectly OK with it.

And that's the problem with trusting in the free market for everything. If someone can make more money by taking a shortcut, they'll take it, even if it means greater harm for everybody around them.
 
2012-11-10 12:47:48 PM

dartben: thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

How does one gerrymander the Senate?


Have you seen the shape of Maryland?

(Kidding!)
 
2012-11-10 12:48:21 PM

soaboutthat: i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.

You leave bourbon out of this. Bourbon did nothing to you. It's more like a potato-chips and bud light jack-off session.


What is wrong with that?
 
2012-11-10 12:49:05 PM

Weaver95: talk to your friend. just be aware that transitioning from the echo chamber to reality can be a very jarring experience.


Maybe, but you have to remember that this "echo chamber" is a fairly recent advent. Yes, Limbaugh has been on the air as far as anyone can remember, but Fox, the chief offender, has only been around since the late 90s IIRC - and didn't fully jump the shark until years after that. My point is that our friends and family recall a time when NBC Headline News and the NYT weren't enemies. They consumed the media the rest of us did, and our disagreements were typically grounded in reality. Familiarity with sane media will lessen the shock, like getting reacquainted with an old friend you had a falling out with years ago.

My father - always a conservative - had a 20+ year subscription to Time before FOX convinced him it was evil. While visiting one Christmas, I asked if he had a copy of Time or even the local newspaper around (I had to use the john). I'll never forget the proud, positively beaming look on his face when he informed me that his home was now "liberal media-free." It blew my mind. This is the same man who had read the magazine for decades, and had suddenly performed an about-face. His opinions had not changed, but his perception of the media did. Now the only true source of information is Fox News and The Blaze. And now you know why I always take some form of barbiturate with me when I visit, because we can't even eat Thanksgiving dinner without Fox blaring from the living room.

While my father is free to make his own decisions, I hold Fox News responsible for poising the political well. The network is pure evil, and it's maddening to see people like Hanni-douche host hour-long specials on "media bias." Conservative projection at its finest. And people like my dad are watching it like a football game, literally cheering. "Go get 'em, Sean!"

/goddammitsomuch
 
2012-11-10 12:49:20 PM

Dinki:
And I don't see them ever changing on abortion - their religious right base would never allow it.


Bush did little about abortion, other than blather from time to time. Concern about abortion fades into the background when there's an R in the White House. Especially if he's pale. And has kicked off a hideous oil war that is an obvious sham, and needs to be camoflauged.

Same thing for deficits, debt, gay marriage, immigration, pretty much everything.

Iran-Contra. Iraq. I shudder (no exaggeration) to imagine the hideous crime the next one will commit to keep our attention away from the issues. At least war with Iran has to wait four years.
 
2012-11-10 12:49:56 PM

Summoner101: You have to give the GOP some credit, they built their echo chamber with some outstanding resilience.

Unfortunately, they'll end up like Porky from Mother 3.

/I'm a geek, sue me


That is awesome.
 
2012-11-10 12:50:20 PM

HeartBurnKid: Oh, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh knows exactly what he's doing. To his party, and to his nation. He just doesn't care. As long as the checks keep rolling in, he's perfectly OK with it.

And that's the problem with trusting in the free market for everything. If someone can make more money by taking a shortcut, they'll take it, even if it means greater harm for everybody around them. .


yeah, but i'm not going to speculate on Limbaugh's end goals (which I suspect probably have more to do with ego than money but we'll never really know for sure) and just deal with the fact that he's essentially destroying the GOP from within. By preventing the GOP rank and file from seriously considering alternative solutions to their problems, he locks them into a self destructive course of action that ultimately dooms the party and smashes any hope of Republican victory.

I hope Limbaugh stays right where he's at, and keeps doing what he's doing.
 
2012-11-10 12:52:36 PM

epoch: Summoner101: You have to give the GOP some credit, they built their echo chamber with some outstanding resilience.

Unfortunately, they'll end up like Porky from Mother 3.

/I'm a geek, sue me

That is awesome.


Nothing is obscure on Fark!
 
2012-11-10 12:52:44 PM

12349876: thekilt04: mmm the senate will loose some Ds. either through gerrymandering or scandel. but i understand your point i think... the senate will not go to 61 Rs. maybe the house is where this is more so amplified? I see the Rs getting near a super majority in the house.... you?

Even if the tea partiers continue knocking out establishment Republicans? Remember Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell lost in 2010. Even if the economy is a lot better and an "are you better off than you were x years ago" argument would be ridiculous?


the teahadists come in two flavors. One: batshiat crazy foaming out the mouth i WANT THE GOBM'ENT TO SECURE MY FALSE SENSE OF REALITY

Two: the quite ones. those who ditched it for the coffee or libertarian party during this election.

Now let me have my false sense of reality and pretend the second comeback moreso then the first.

/also... you wouldn't put it past the GOP to put one or two gaureenteed teatards for the 'MSM' to spot light... while stealthly teatards slip in... right?

Summoner101:

"It all depends. If the Dems can have the same ground game in 2014 that they had this year..."

This is my point/thought- they won't have the same ground game because their MSM won't be focusing on 'defending' obummer, the only way you'll know about your race is IF you pay attention to your local races. Not many people do that... that can predictably vote D. Meanwhile, everyone is still LITERALLY drinking the winbrah brand tea aid.

"considering they were supposed to have pick ups this year and actually lost two seats, that remains to be seen.

My thinking tells me that the GOPs turn out was weaksauce, and the Dems overall was kick ass. i think it hinges not nessesarally on voter enthusiams, but maybe empathy.

"The current iteration of the GOP only wins elections because their base happens to be the ones that show up."

exactly.

"Since their base is also dying off" -you saw all the young sad white people right?

"the minority party generally does in mid terms. I doubt it will be anything enough to change the status quo."

My thoughts exactamundo.
 
2012-11-10 12:54:19 PM

Kibbler: Dinki:
And I don't see them ever changing on abortion - their religious right base would never allow it.

Bush did little about abortion, other than blather from time to time. Concern about abortion fades into the background when there's an R in the White House. Especially if he's pale. And has kicked off a hideous oil war that is an obvious sham, and needs to be camoflauged.

Same thing for deficits, debt, gay marriage, immigration, pretty much everything.

Iran-Contra. Iraq. I shudder (no exaggeration) to imagine the hideous crime the next one will commit to keep our attention away from the issues. At least war with Iran has to wait four years.


wana bet?
 
2012-11-10 12:54:45 PM
I love these articles because they will cause the derpers to cling to their propaganda even harder. It's like when you tell your teenage daughter she needs to break up with her boyfriend because he's too much of a rebel who's gonna get her in trouble. She's just gonna stamp her feet, throw a tantrum, and devote even more time to him just to spite you.

In the weeks leading up to the election I got to laugh at all my derpy cousin's fb posts about an upcoming Romney landslide, followed by articles from the Blaze saying, "Sure Obama said it was an act of terrorism, BUT HE DIDN'T USE A CAPITAL T. TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT!"

Articles like this aren't gonna get him to look outside his echo chamber. It's going to make him derp even harder in protest.
 
2012-11-10 12:55:06 PM

thekilt04: but i can dam well almost gaurenntee you that the 2014 midterms will be a sweeping win by the repubs


Doubtful. The GOP is either going to vote for immigration reform that favors amnesty for illegal immigrants to get future latino votes or they're going to have to stick with the tea party crowd who will revolt if they don't support their anti immigrant wishes.
The economy will improve by 2014 and voters will know by then that Obama care wasn't the end of the world as we know it.Also, the dems hav found their voting base and know who they have to get to the polls.
 
2012-11-10 12:56:34 PM

mekki: I wonder how many Republican voters who kept on hearing people like Rush or Fox news saying that Romney was going to win by a gigantic landslide and that he was going to pummel Obama thought to themselves, "Well, if he's going to win by that much then he really doesn't need my vote." And then didn't vote.



I think the GOPers still voted -- there was a lot of revenge/protest voting going on with the Right in this election, to really stick it to the President. I don't think the GOP's enthusiasm was overestimated or that they were overconfident and stayed home; I think the GOP just heavily underestimated the level of enthusiasm from the DEMS. They convinced themselves that everyone hated Obama so much that even the Democrats were unmotivated, and that formed the basis for their election predictions -- that Obama had supporters, but they weren't going to show up.
 
2012-11-10 12:58:00 PM

swahnhennessy: Much like the GOP's demographic of angry old white guys is dying out, so too is their media demographic of angry old gullible white guys. Sooner or later what remains of their audience is going to be too smart to fall for the lies and manufactured outrage, and wise up to the fact that they're being used.


I've been seeing a lot of old angry white guy that is going to die out narrative and I'm not so sure. The Tea Party and evangelicals also appear to have been working in such local areas such as the school boards. They seem to have a push there for no critical thinking and no science that's not part of the Prosperity Gospel. Intellectual pursuit is a bad thing in that mindset and if you are raised in that fashion, I don't see the echo chamber ever going away. I just don't see that it will matter if people who raised to be easily conned don't happen to all be lily white anymore.
 
2012-11-10 12:59:15 PM

thekilt04: you saw all the young sad white people right


Some black people voted for Romney, too. That doesn't mean they're a reliable demographic for the GOP.

/While Obama led the youth less than he did in '08, he still got their vote by 24 points. That's a greater margin than Obama lead Romney with women, though not as much as racial minorities.
 
2012-11-10 12:59:22 PM
I'm getting tired of you people bad mouthing the good name of jerking off.
 
2012-11-10 12:59:25 PM

shastacola: thekilt04: but i can dam well almost gaurenntee you that the 2014 midterms will be a sweeping win by the repubs

Doubtful. The GOP is either going to vote for immigration reform that favors amnesty for illegal immigrants to get future latino votes or they're going to have to stick with the tea party crowd who will revolt if they don't support their anti immigrant wishes.
The economy will improve by 2014 and voters will know by then that Obama care wasn't the end of the world as we know it.Also, the dems hav found their voting base and know who they have to get to the polls.


they will have to stop throwing their candidate on air covered in john boner's ompa loompa make up.

i don't know if you can be so sure of the economy. look at drudge. windbags also ranting about companies all over america laying of workers for the oncomming obamacolypse. they have held out so far... whats another 2 years?
 
2012-11-10 01:00:38 PM

Cargo: FloydA: i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.

Hey now, that's over the line. What's wrong with potato chips, bourbon, and jacking off?

Yeah! I'm doing all three as I read this thread, and what's wrong with that?!


It could be a problem if you don't lick your fingers enough and get too much salt in the lube. Or if you're eating spicy habanero chips. That could go bad real fast.
 
2012-11-10 01:01:31 PM

Cargo:
Yeah! I'm doing all three as I read this thread, and what's wrong with that?!

/well, actually only two of the three
//but which two . . . ?


I didn't have any bourbon in the house either.
 
2012-11-10 01:02:41 PM
MSNBC just called Florida for Obama. that's officially a 'landslide victory' for Obama.
 
2012-11-10 01:03:16 PM
Really, Romney only lost Washington, Colorado, and California due to casual drug use ballots. I think it's pretty clear that when those states realize that they can't do what they want because of the federal government, those voters will be coming back to small government republicans in droves.
 
2012-11-10 01:05:40 PM

Weaver95: MSNBC just called Florida for Obama. that's officially a 'landslide victory' for Obama.


Has anyone called the West race yet?
 
2012-11-10 01:05:57 PM

Summoner101: thekilt04: you saw all the young sad white people right

Some black people voted for Romney, too. That doesn't mean they're a reliable demographic for the GOP.

/While Obama led the youth less than he did in '08, he still got their vote by 24 points. That's a greater margin than Obama lead Romney with women, though not as much as racial minorities.


i think windbags answer would be something akin to "those youth hadn't experiance the WREAL WHROLD YET! Soon as they get mugged the'll be CONSERVATIVES FOR LIFE"

and didn't bush win with 40 something percent of the latino vote? what happens when govna gotcha rick perry propses the amnestiy/immigration reform? Gets fed money to build that fence... using legal AMERI-mehicans... texas econ booms further.. latinos laugh to the bank/polls... tehas still rojo senor.

/i think its more fun that mittens got only 78% of the mormon vote.
 
2012-11-10 01:07:59 PM

thekilt04: windbags also ranting about companies all over america laying of workers for the oncomming obamacolypse. they have held out so far... whats another 2 years


The problem is that there really has to be an obamacolypse and there isn't going to be one. "What's another 2 years", well, if they're smart,it's knowing that business abhors a vacuum as much as politics, and they can get their heads out of their asses or lose to entrepenuers who won't be so stupid.
 
2012-11-10 01:08:01 PM

swahnhennessy: Much like the GOP's demographic of angry old white guys is dying out, so too is their media demographic of angry old gullible white guys. Sooner or later what remains of their audience is going to be too smart to fall for the lies and manufactured outrage, and wise up to the fact that they're being used.

No doubt the noise will continue, at least for a while longer, but if the GOP has any hope of surviving they need to come straight with potential voters and not just tap into anger that they help manufacture. 2010 gave them false hope for that, but with each passing year they lose more and more adherents. And not just to the grave. After a while, even the most ignorant of consumers will realize that what FOX is telling him just doesn't jibe with reality, no matter how much he has come to want it to.


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Laughs at your silly optimism
 
2012-11-10 01:08:24 PM

FloydA: Cargo: FloydA: i upped my meds-up yours: It could be that they'll just go full entertainment, dop the pretense of news analysis and do nothing but crazy Limbovian / Beckesque rant sauce. This would be win-win for the stupids and the rest of us, as anyone with half a brain tunes it out.

Rush or Beck can't turn a rant into an email campaign to Congress these days; their shows are meant for potato-chip-and-bourbon jack-off sessions, and their listeners know it.

Hey now, that's over the line. What's wrong with potato chips, bourbon, and jacking off?

Yeah! I'm doing all three as I read this thread, and what's wrong with that?!


It could be a problem if you don't lick your fingers enough and get too much salt in the lube. Or if you're eating spicy habanero chips. That could go bad real fast.



A popular misconception.

And salty lube? Why, that's a perfect after-fap snack!
 
2012-11-10 01:08:34 PM

Erix: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 255x328]

I always thought that what was funny about this cartoon wasn't that Rove (and many other conservatives) actually believed that repetition created reality, but that they believe that with enough repetition you can get away with acting like it's reality. This election makes me think the first explanation is actually true. I'm not sure if that's even funnier, or just kind of disturbing.


That cartoon means more now than it ever has. Political junkies always knew its meaning, but after Roves melt-down on national TV, even low-information voters can look at it and get the joke.
 
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