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(Boston.com)   Appeals court says Starbucks has to give your barista that tip you left for her back in 2008   (boston.com) divider line 6
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2012-11-10 04:00:58 PM
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employers that have their workers afraid to accept a gratuity piss me off. it's my damn business if i want to pass a fiver on to someone that helps me with their technical knowledge, lug a big box to my motor vehicle or simply makes me smile.

i don't just believe in tipping. i believe in over-tipping, and i believe in tipping people that don't usually get tips. too many people work jobs where they catch crap from people every week. screw that. be the odd man out. be the one that leaves someone happy and wondering why you just crammed $5.00 in their paw.

/life is too short.
//i just play a dooshbag on the internet, not in real life
///deadtom TY
2012-11-11 01:20:20 AM
1 votes:
BTW, I think restaurant workers should be paid a fair wage and we shouldn't have to tip. (back of house gets screwed by the coke whore who is even hiding tips from the other barristas. WTF is a vente? Just give me the biggest cup, can't you see the size of my truck??)

/and provide an affordable wage and path for advancement
//and don't cut hours so someone has to have two jorbs.
///extra meat and cheese at Subway might make it worthwhile and I'd give YOU a tip extra cheesey, meaty Subway gloved handed girl
////oh and if you're the coke whore in the back sucking time just watching the security cameras and counting the cash at the end of shift, you don't get tipped out like the barristas do. Especially since we still have to move all the product, mop the floors, clean the machines without your help.
//and if you're the CEO of Starbucks, I think you should be able to start paying everyone a livable wage with healthcare. I know you do more than most, but seriously, $5.25 for one drink (pricing from quote above) is crazy.
2012-11-10 02:12:11 PM
1 votes:
I don't like tipping people, so I cook my own meals/make my own drinks/etc. instead of going out to eat. Tip people if you go out. Don't like tipping? Don't go out. Simple.
2012-11-10 01:59:05 PM
1 votes:

wyltoknow: vartian: It was bullshiat that the managers were being cut in

The managers are not cut in. It's actually company policy that managers and assistant managers aren't even allowed to TOUCH the tips for any reason, even to put it away. They get nothing of it. This was the shift supervisors, who are not at all managers. They are baristas with keys; they do the exact same work, and even more because they have to maintain the supervisory position of their shift and make sure everything is running smoothly and that all of the store's money is accounted for. So this ruling is complete and absolute bullshiat.


The ruling isn't bullshiat, but the tip law is.

"Generally speaking, the Massachusetts Tip Law prohibits employers from requiring a "wait staff employee" to participate in a tip pool if it means sharing tips with anyone other than a "wait staff employee." A "wait staff employee" is defined as having "no managerial responsibility.""

Your description of shift supervisors includes "managerial responsibility:" supervision, coordination of operations, and financial accountability for the whole shift.

The problem is that the law is black-or-white but Starbucks' reality is a spectrum of greys.

The court called it correctly under the law. Law needs to change.
2012-11-10 01:54:45 PM
1 votes:
Who tips a fast food worker?
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-10 12:33:54 PM
1 votes:
The legal issue is actually an interesting one. Appeals court decision. Massachusetts changed the law about tip pooling. The law used to say employees who were primarily managers could not join tip pools. The law now says nobody who has any supervisory authority at all can join a tip pool. Starbucks followed the old law but not the new one. Under the new law whoever is nominally in charge of the shift can't share tips even if she spends 90% of her time making foam.

There's a separate lawsuit by supervisors in New York because they don't get to share tips any more.

Irrelevant quote from the decision: Most people would think that bilking a widow out of her life's savings is outrageous; some would think that charging $5.25 for a salted caramel mocha frappuccino is outrageous.
 
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