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(Washington Examiner)   As befits their exalted status, a TSA baglooter/groper gets a larger annual uniform allowance than a US Marine lieutenant gets...for a lifetime. I feel safer already, knowing that I'll be felt up by somebody who looks sharp   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 77
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2012-11-10 11:30:27 AM  
That's a lot of dailies.
 
2012-11-10 11:32:35 AM  
Nice way to manipulate apple and oranges into a banana.
 
2012-11-10 11:33:45 AM  
At first I was like:

The fark is a ba-glooter?

Then I was like:

Oh, bag-looter.

/motherfarking hyphens
//how do they work?
 
2012-11-10 11:33:49 AM  
Why on Earth would TSA agents need anymore of a uniform than than their peers at Wal-Mart?
 
2012-11-10 11:34:05 AM  
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

/Okay, not really
//Seems like an awful lot, though I have no idea how much their uniforms cost them
 
2012-11-10 11:34:06 AM  
This is dumb. Lieutenant perks are almost intentionally low and are expected to purchase alot of their uniforms/equipment out of pocket. Enlisted have higher uniform allowance as it is not expected and is often discouraged for them to being purchasing items out of pocket.

Being a lieutenant is kind of like paying your dues and figuring out what the whole military culture is about. It's not expected to be taken care of. It's part of the weeding out process.
 
2012-11-10 11:34:08 AM  
Shame on you subby, officers don't get clothing allowances.
 
2012-11-10 11:35:18 AM  

mrlewish: Nice way to manipulate apple and oranges into a banana.


Yeah, I'm confused. Aren't BDUs and other uniforms provided by the government? Maybe a Marine can chime in, but it sounds like there's some anti-TSA numbers spinning here.

And as always:

If you have a problem with the TSA, the problem's solution is simple: Staff TSA with vets who are coming home. They are well-trained, they can follow rules and regulations to the letter, they usually aren't criminals, they know how to spot terrorists and for the most part, aren't entitled assholes.
 
2012-11-10 11:35:52 AM  
Not to defend the TSA, but it'd be more accurate to compare them to the standard clothing allowance received every year for enlisted service members, which seems to hover around $400-600.
 
2012-11-10 11:36:02 AM  
The pilots that they're checking going through security have an annual uniform allowance of $0, commonly.

Something is wrong here. Guess its easy to spend money when its taxpayers'.
 
2012-11-10 11:36:41 AM  
Why would the TSA officers need a uniform allowance, when they can just wear the clothes they steal out of the bags?
 
2012-11-10 11:36:43 AM  
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong for anyone actually in the USMC, but I was talking to my recruiter and he said the marine uniform stipend was yearly. In fact, checking the Marine times standard allowance for all enlisted marines(after 3 years service) they get $583.40 yearly uniform stipend. No idea what an O-1 or O-2 would get, but the one time thing is complete BS.

Still, TSA goons do not deserve an allowance anywhere close to what serving troops get. Those are the guys that aren't even good enough to be mall cops.
 
2012-11-10 11:37:21 AM  

MattyFridays: mrlewish: Nice way to manipulate apple and oranges into a banana.

Yeah, I'm confused. Aren't BDUs and other uniforms provided by the government? Maybe a Marine can chime in, but it sounds like there's some anti-TSA numbers spinning here.

And as always:

If you have a problem with the TSA, the problem's solution is simple: Staff TSA with vets who are coming home. They are well-trained, they can follow rules and regulations to the letter, they usually aren't criminals, they know how to spot terrorists and for the most part, aren't entitled assholes.


THIS. That's actually a great idea.
 
2012-11-10 11:39:49 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Why on Earth would TSA agents need anymore of a uniform than than their peers at Wal-Mart?


You get a uniform allowance at Wal-Mart?

And think about it. You work five days a week, having to touch other people and other people's things on a consistent basis. And a little secret: A lot of people are FARKING DISGUSTING.

10 pairs of pants at 35-50 a piece, plus uniform shirts between 25-50 apiece, undershirts, comfortable shoes... it adds up.
 
2012-11-10 11:41:13 AM  
I don't know about the USMC but I was in the Army and we got an annual clothing allowance, officer and enlisted. It wasn't nearly enough to pay for a full years worth of uniforms so you do end up paying for some out of pocket.
 
2012-11-10 11:41:15 AM  
Officers don't get a uniform allowance. This is stupid.
 
2012-11-10 11:41:19 AM  

MattyFridays: Yeah, I'm confused. Aren't BDUs and other uniforms provided by the government? Maybe a Marine can chime in, but it sounds like there's some anti-TSA numbers spinning here.


A uniform allowance is for things like getting your suits tailored, having patches and rank sewn on, maybe you might lose a beret and need to buy another. It often isn't available to every single soldier's (marine, airmen, etc) to have that provided for them yet it still expected it is taken care of when they report in. So you get a uniform allowance so nobody can biatch that they are purchasing mandated items with their own money.

A lieutenant is going to need to purchase alot of items with their own money. Like Dress Whites for formal occasions and what not, that typically are not required for enlisted ranks. It seems that the TSA is more on par with being enlisted.
 
2012-11-10 11:43:09 AM  
Wrong or right, isn't a Marine going to be spending more time in issued BDUs than other sorts of uniforms?

I sense poutrage.
 
2012-11-10 11:43:12 AM  
Without uniforms, they'd just have to stand there in their underwear... and why not. They deserve no more dignity than the person they're feeling up.

Of course you'd get Republican Senators and Evangelical Pastors that go through "screening" three or four times just to be sure.
 
2012-11-10 11:43:37 AM  
I need to wear suits to the office. Waaah. I want someone to buy those for me and pay for my dry cleaning.
 
2012-11-10 11:44:32 AM  

MattyFridays: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Why on Earth would TSA agents need anymore of a uniform than than their peers at Wal-Mart?

You get a uniform allowance at Wal-Mart?

And think about it. You work five days a week, having to touch other people and other people's things on a consistent basis. And a little secret: A lot of people are FARKING DISGUSTING.

10 pairs of pants at 35-50 a piece, plus uniform shirts between 25-50 apiece, undershirts, comfortable shoes... it adds up.


35.50 apiece? Having just come off a stint in low-end, but similarly-uniformed private security, I doubt the cheap scratchy, paper-thin pants they supplied us cost a tenth of that. I really doubt their work calls for anything better than that.
 
2012-11-10 11:46:58 AM  
I don't get why Marines don't get an annual clothing allowance like the army provides. Not that I needed it while I was in army. I spent well within my needs, but it was still a nice bonus.
 
2012-11-10 11:47:08 AM  

Caffienatedjedi: Uh, correct me if I'm wrong for anyone actually in the USMC, but I was talking to my recruiter and he said the marine uniform stipend was yearly. In fact, checking the Marine times standard allowance for all enlisted marines(after 3 years service) they get $583.40 yearly uniform stipend. No idea what an O-1 or O-2 would get, but the one time thing is complete BS.

Still, TSA goons do not deserve an allowance anywhere close to what serving troops get. Those are the guys that aren't even good enough to be mall cops.


Officers in the US military do not receive any uniform allowance. It's been that way as long as I've been commissioned and with the exception of the random complaint for the sake of complaining there is no real butthurt about it. It's another traditional difference in the treatment of officer versus enlisted in the military and something that is also made up for by significantly higher base pay.
 
2012-11-10 11:49:11 AM  

gaslight: I need to wear suits to the office. Waaah. I want someone to buy those for me and pay for my dry cleaning.


If you are getting as low a wage as a low rank soldier or TSA baggage handler and are wearing a suit, you are probably getting ripped off.
 
2012-11-10 11:49:37 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Of course you'd get Republican Senators and Evangelical Pastors that go through "screening" three or four times just to be sure.


But they'd like that.
 
2012-11-10 11:50:09 AM  

mrlewish: Nice way to manipulate apple and oranges into a banana.


and then banana in the tailpipe
 
2012-11-10 11:50:56 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: 35.50 apiece? Having just come off a stint in low-end, but similarly-uniformed private security, I doubt the cheap scratchy, paper-thin pants they supplied us cost a tenth of that. I really doubt their work calls for anything better than that.


You seem to be wildly anti-TSA but you just admitted you're a rent-a-cop too, and one that just got fired as that.

You're actually WORSE than TSA, if that's possible.
 
2012-11-10 11:50:56 AM  
Have you seen the price of jackboots lately?
 
2012-11-10 11:51:12 AM  
I always wonder how they form fit the big lunch muscles on those morons.
 
2012-11-10 11:51:54 AM  
If I had more time on my hands, I'd love to do some research about how many of these types of anti-TSA articles there were pre and post January 20th, 2009. Anyone care to bet that they didn't go up exponentially post Jan 20?
 
2012-11-10 11:52:10 AM  
I read this headline and exclaimed "you're pulling my chain!". But I guess that is expected when the TSA is involved.
 
2012-11-10 11:52:18 AM  

InvertedB: Caffienatedjedi: Uh, correct me if I'm wrong for anyone actually in the USMC, but I was talking to my recruiter and he said the marine uniform stipend was yearly. In fact, checking the Marine times standard allowance for all enlisted marines(after 3 years service) they get $583.40 yearly uniform stipend. No idea what an O-1 or O-2 would get, but the one time thing is complete BS.

Still, TSA goons do not deserve an allowance anywhere close to what serving troops get. Those are the guys that aren't even good enough to be mall cops.

Officers in the US military do not receive any uniform allowance. It's been that way as long as I've been commissioned and with the exception of the random complaint for the sake of complaining there is no real butthurt about it. It's another traditional difference in the treatment of officer versus enlisted in the military and something that is also made up for by significantly higher base pay.


Thanks for the info. I have plans to join up as an officer in the USMC and did not know this. Guess that is something all the pay will go to.
 
2012-11-10 11:53:47 AM  

Mister Horse: Not to defend the TSA, but it'd be more accurate to compare them to the standard clothing allowance received every year for enlisted service members, which seems to hover around $400-600.


That was always a great party weekend.

Don't wash them too often. They stand in the corner if you do this right.
Don't alter.
Don't starch and press.
Sew you own shiat on or use some glue.
 
2012-11-10 11:54:23 AM  
And ThatGuyFromTheInternet, considering you're a rent-a-cop and you've used this thread to bash both people who work at Wal-mart and TSA, maybe the concept of "humility" is needed.

My screen name is because I worked as a waiter and bartender in a theme restaurant. I work in a white collar job now, but I'll always respect the work people did in that field.

Incidentally, I also worked security in college. And although some gigs are ridiculously easy, others are not. I worked in a nursing home, having to deal with screaming ALZ patients dealing with black orderlies that the Attractive and Successful Medical Professional was trying to rape them.
 
2012-11-10 11:54:58 AM  

MattyFridays: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: 35.50 apiece? Having just come off a stint in low-end, but similarly-uniformed private security, I doubt the cheap scratchy, paper-thin pants they supplied us cost a tenth of that. I really doubt their work calls for anything better than that.

You seem to be wildly anti-TSA but you just admitted you're a rent-a-cop too, and one that just got fired as that.

You're actually WORSE than TSA, if that's possible.


I don't see the part that actually says I was terminated, instead of y'know, just moving on to better. But I do find the idea of "wildly anti-TSA' as an actual criticism quite amusing.
 
2012-11-10 11:57:15 AM  
Military officers get a one time clothing allowance of $400 during their career. This is primarily to purchase a dress uniform. Officers can purchase other military uniforms at the PX Clothing Sales at govt cost while enlisted soldiers are issued uniform items from supply. I was an Army officer back in the 80's and as far as I know, it hasn't changed. The only thing that frosted me at that time was a Goretex field jacket cost me $800 and enlisted soldiers could get a new one when theirs got dirty.
 
2012-11-10 12:01:46 PM  
InvertedB:

Officers in the US military do not receive any uniform allowance. It's been that way as long as I've been commissioned and with the exception of the random complaint for the sake of complaining there is no real butthurt about it. It's another traditional difference in the treatment of officer versus enlisted in the military and something that is also made up for by significantly higher base pay.

I didn't know that, and thanks.

I dunno, maybe my picture of the world is skewed... I work in the back office as a contractor and no customers will ever see me. (this is probably a good thing.) There are some things that I will fight for, for example, if I am working downtown in a city I'm going to damn well get an extra dollar or two per hour just so I can pay for parking, but I don't worry about clothing allowances. I'm not in front of the public and expected to look sharp or even uniform.

On a side note, I just got back from a trip to SE Asia. Their customs people have freaking campaign ribbons. I have no idea in what theater the served. It looks cute on the women though!
 
2012-11-10 12:02:59 PM  
Enlisted gets issued a one time clothing bag, boots Dress, et al worth about $1500. Then they get a yearly Cash clothing Allowance for 2 years of about $300 to replace as needed. Then as pointed out up thread for Enlisted with more than 3 years the payout is $583.40. Officers only get a one time payment of $400 for individual issue after commissioning. Expected to maintain at all times type of thing. Big difference in pay from a PVT with less than 1 yr ($17k) versus a Butter bar just getting commissioned ($34k).

/Used to do Military Pay before becoming a Medic.
 
2012-11-10 12:08:33 PM  

95629: The pilots that they're checking going through security have an annual uniform allowance of $0, commonly.

Something is wrong here. Guess its easy to spend money when its taxpayers'.


Easy? When you have to listen to all that whining and complaining? "Please put my iPad back," "Please don't touch my junk," "Would you quit molesting my daughter already?" Those people deserve a clothing allowance.
 
2012-11-10 12:10:48 PM  

MyNameIsMofuga: I don't know about the USMC but I was in the Army and we got an annual clothing allowance, officer and enlisted. It wasn't nearly enough to pay for a full years worth of uniforms so you do end up paying for some out of pocket.


My wife is an Army officer right now. There is an initial clothing allowance so you can buy your dress uniform when you first commission (odds on a lot of them are coming out of college, and don't have the extra cash lying around to pay the hundreds of dollars that costs), but after that, you're supposed to be paid well enough, and be mature enough to manage your money that you can buy your own damn uniforms. Enlisted, who get paid less, get a clothing allowance. TSA agents are more or less the "enlisted" of the TSA. I'm willing to bet the execs in the agency or "officers", don't get that.
 
2012-11-10 12:14:23 PM  
Not really a big deal. Police Officers at my department get an $1000 dollars a year uniform allowance, and this is after being provided with nearly everything they need. It's expected they use it towards dry-cleaning and maintaining their equipment.
 
2012-11-10 12:18:59 PM  
So what does a US Marine Lieutenant get?
 
2012-11-10 12:21:49 PM  

maxheck: So what does a US Marine Lieutenant get?


Something for shooting, and something for fun.
 
2012-11-10 12:24:42 PM  
DOD Financial Management Regulation, Chapter 30 "OFFICERS' UNIFORM AND EQUIPMENT ALLOWANCE" para 300203: "All officer personnel commissioned or appointed in the Regular or Reserve Components of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps are authorized $400 as reimbursement for the purchase of uniform and equipment, regardless the source of commission or previous enlisted status."

Basis: 37 U.S.C. §415
 
2012-11-10 12:24:55 PM  

maxheck: So what does a US Marine Lieutenant get?


A Gunny who politely tells him he is a dumbshiat.
 
2012-11-10 12:25:32 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: MattyFridays: mrlewish: Nice way to manipulate apple and oranges into a banana.

Yeah, I'm confused. Aren't BDUs and other uniforms provided by the government? Maybe a Marine can chime in, but it sounds like there's some anti-TSA numbers spinning here.

And as always:

If you have a problem with the TSA, the problem's solution is simple: Staff TSA with vets who are coming home. They are well-trained, they can follow rules and regulations to the letter, they usually aren't criminals, they know how to spot terrorists and for the most part, aren't entitled assholes.

THIS. That's actually a great idea.


Word. I can get on board with that.
 
2012-11-10 12:26:53 PM  
Son, I'm here to tell you that you'll have to pay for a new uniform.
cdn.lightgalleries.net
 
2012-11-10 12:30:04 PM  

Deep Contact: Son, I'm here to tell you that you'll have to pay for a new uniform.
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I LOL'd

/window seat, please
 
2012-11-10 12:30:58 PM  
Snarfangel:

maxheck: So what does a US Marine Lieutenant get?

Something for shooting, and something for fun.


This is my grumpy look.
 
2012-11-10 12:31:24 PM  
Why the TSA is allowed to exist should tell you folks something about who is in power in this country (Hint: it's not the POTUS) and what they think of you.
 
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