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(Huffington Post)   Papa John's to cut employee hours due to Obamacare. No word on if they also plan to cut the number of free pizzas Peyton Manning is forcing them to give away   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 228
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2012-11-10 07:42:14 AM
including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.
 
2012-11-10 07:49:00 AM

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.


Maybe they can convince Obama to refuse inauguration if they keep this up!

Or, if nothing else, he can be less black!
 
2012-11-10 07:50:34 AM
Corporate poutrage with shiatty cheese and garlicly motor oil.

Delicious!
 
2012-11-10 08:08:26 AM
Why do I get the idea these companies wanted an excuse to cut back without PR repercussions, and then along came Obamacare.
 
2012-11-10 08:08:40 AM
Here's your official pizza of the NFL.
 
2012-11-10 08:10:54 AM
Better ingredients, better derp
 
2012-11-10 08:12:05 AM
New Papa John's special just announced. All deliveries to basement doors are half off, and come with free miniature merkin flags.
 
2012-11-10 08:12:13 AM
Papa Johns: because you're drunk, and greasy cardboard is a better use of your money than a real pizza, because it all tastes the same coming back up.
 
2012-11-10 08:25:00 AM
He's going to cut those people over 14 cents a pizza?

And the GOP wonders why they aren't making up ground.
 
2012-11-10 08:27:43 AM
He probably could just save money by not advertising here in the Northeast anymore, where even the smallest town has one or two pizzerias a million times better than his shops. Oh wait, that wouldn't combine the relief of a hissyfit with the joy of kicking poor people in the balls, now would it?
 
2012-11-10 08:50:09 AM
Their pizza sucks and the owner is a world class douchebag. So pretty much nothing new here
 
2012-11-10 08:53:43 AM
once again, i ask: if you're a retail business, why the f*ck would you risk alienating HALF of your customers by making political statements?

i don't like boycotts, but i will not eat a papa john's pizza now (not that i did before, but still...), i won't eat at applebees, and i won't eat at chick-fil-a. had they just kept their damned mouths shut, i would't care, normally. but they made me care. and a whole lot of other pissed-off people, i'm guessing.
 
2012-11-10 08:57:25 AM
We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.
 
2012-11-10 09:06:45 AM
I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.
 
2012-11-10 09:10:14 AM

Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.


Not all of us are so blessed as to have Little Caesar's in our hometowns.
 
2012-11-10 09:13:19 AM

Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.


I'm pretty sure they're people who have never even met an Italian.
 
2012-11-10 09:13:45 AM
Waaaaaah how dare you make me treat my employees like human beings
 
2012-11-10 09:14:35 AM

kronicfeld: Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.

Not all of us are so blessed as to have Little Caesar's in our hometowns.


But it's square, man. SQUARE.
 
2012-11-10 09:22:30 AM
Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.
 
2012-11-10 09:23:04 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.

I'm pretty sure they're people who have never even met an Italian.


Every now and then, you have a hankering for crap. So, you eat Dominos or Pizza Hut.

But, yeah, a local Pizzeria with fresh ingredients is always better than the big chain crap.
 
2012-11-10 09:40:41 AM

Ed Finnerty: Corporate poutrage with shiatty cheese and garlicly motor oil.

Delicious!


"Poutrage" is my new favorite word.
 
2012-11-10 09:41:06 AM

Pocket Ninja: kronicfeld: Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.

Not all of us are so blessed as to have Little Caesar's in our hometowns.

But it's square, man. SQUARE.


that is because it is the harmonious 4 sided pizza square
 
2012-11-10 09:43:52 AM

FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if you're a retail business, why the f*ck would you risk alienating HALF of your customers by making political statements?

i don't like boycotts, but i will not eat a papa john's pizza now (not that i did before, but still...), i won't eat at applebees, and i won't eat at chick-fil-a. had they just kept their damned mouths shut, i would't care, normally. but they made me care. and a whole lot of other pissed-off people, i'm guessing.


Yep, this. I'm one of the libbier-libtardos here on Fark, but if I ever owned a retail or service-based business, you bet I'd keep my political feelings a secret. No reason to proclaim your love for either side and alienate half your customers. It's remarkably bad business.

Granted, sometimes business owners are put on the spot, like when the GM and Chrysler CEOs had to call out Romney for lying about their movement of manufacturing operations to China, but they didn't seek to voice their views---they were forced to defend themselves by Romney's mendacity.
 
2012-11-10 09:44:19 AM

Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.


Eh, they're not bad. I've had a lot worse. Though I suppose it really depends on your local restaurant; the pizza from my local Papa John's is OK, but the one by my uncle's place is a farking greasepit.
 
2012-11-10 09:44:21 AM
I had to do the pizza delivery route to pay my way through school Pizza Hut/Papa Johns/Dominos pending where I lived. PJ was notorious in our state for finding a reason to fire any manager after they received a certain amount of raises (i.e. just wait for a 6 week sales dip that happens at particular times during a year). Then, you'd wait to hear about how they were rehiring him/her at the closest store as a worker. Within 6 months, you'd hear about how he/she was the manager of that store but at the lowest level of pay. It was the cycle of employment there.
 
2012-11-10 09:45:35 AM

ToxicMunkee: Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.


That's Obama's cunning strategy: patriotic conservative companies will protest his War on Capitalism and go out of business, while communist socialistic companies will thrive by serving the unfilled market. There has never been a bigger threat to free enterprise.
 
2012-11-10 09:49:40 AM

ToxicMunkee: Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.


That. If Papa John's wants to start being a dickbag, I'm sure Domino's and Pizza Hut will appreciate the extra market share.
 
2012-11-10 09:51:53 AM
I pay my regular $10 for a large pizza pie from a local pizzeria that's been in the neighborhood for decades and I'm content with the taste.

What I don't understand is a few years back when there was this supposed milk shortage a lot of pizzerias in my area raised the prices of their pizza, so with that said why doesn't Papa Johns simply raise the price of their pizza to offset the supposed high costs of Obamacare?
 
2012-11-10 09:54:01 AM

Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.


So you make millions being a pizza shop owner, you came up from being nothing but a pizza shop owner, but now that you're wealthy you plan to eff your employees in the ass rather than adapt to some new HR rules. You can't possibly pass the 14 cents on to the consumer, oh no. You'd rather pout and whine about Obama.

What an asshat. Cripes.

Screw you, fake 'papa' john. Here, I'll pay your 14 cents on this pizza myself.

No I won't, your pizza is terrible.
 
2012-11-10 09:54:58 AM

LegacyDL: I pay my regular $10 for a large pizza pie from a local pizzeria that's been in the neighborhood for decades and I'm content with the taste.

What I don't understand is a few years back when there was this supposed milk shortage a lot of pizzerias in my area raised the prices of their pizza, so with that said why doesn't Papa Johns simply raise the price of their pizza to offset the supposed high costs of Obamacare?


So their owner can whine like the republican dick that he is.
 
2012-11-10 09:55:16 AM
Stupid Papa John's...

I once ordered a pizza from them and it never arrived. I called them to investigate, ended up speaking with whomever oversaw that location, and was challenged to a fight. Over the phone. The challenge, not the fighting. Silly.

No, I didn't go. Did offer him an opportunity to deliver. Failed that too.

/pizza is wack anyway
 
2012-11-10 09:59:46 AM
Man, the blowback on Papa John's Facebook page is rather incredible.

I can only hope douchenozzles like this pay the price for their stupidity.
 
2012-11-10 10:01:36 AM
So much for the Job Creators. "We're being pissy cause we can"

Farking two year olds.
 
2012-11-10 10:01:37 AM

LegacyDL: What I don't understand is a few years back when there was this supposed milk shortage a lot of pizzerias in my area raised the prices of their pizza, so with that said why doesn't Papa Johns simply raise the price of their pizza to offset the supposed high costs of Obamacare?


Ding ding ding we have a winner!

The cost of doing business is always going up for a myriad of reasons, and you typically pass it on while retaining the employees necessary to run your business. One wonders why he hasn't already cut hours if those hours are unnecessary to begin with. No, this guy has chosen Obamacare as his personal whining platform, and is punishing his minimum wage employees so he can make a political statement.

Truly, it is a rare man more douchebaggy than he. Seriously, fark this guy with a rake.
 
2012-11-10 10:01:44 AM
The closest delivery pizza place to our house is a Papa Johns, but the boyfriend and I won't eat there. Not because of this specifically, but because it's not very good. I'm from Chicago, he's from Manhattan - pizza is kind of our thing. There's a great little hole in the wall Italian place about 5 miles from where we live that makes a kick-ass pizza. It's more expensive than a Papa Johns pie, and further out of our way to get it, but I'd rather support a local business than give this douche any of our money.

Papa Johns is dildos. Tell a friend.
 
2012-11-10 10:02:39 AM
So, this guy could have given all of his employees affordable health care at the low cost of $0.12 per pizza and didn't?

What a dick.
 
2012-11-10 10:03:21 AM
What ticks me off is I stopped eating at all of these places years ago because of the terrible food. So now I cant;t even have the satisfaction of boycotting them!
As someone in a previous thread said, I like my food handlers to be healthy!
 
2012-11-10 10:04:41 AM

edmo: He's going to cut those people over 14 cents a pizza?

And the GOP wonders why they aren't making up ground.


It would cost 1% of his gross income to give his workers insurance! Can't you see? He'd have to sell his Camaro!
 
2012-11-10 10:05:35 AM
Schnatter made headlines over the summer when he told shareholders that the cost of a Papa John's pizza will increase by between 11 and 14 cents due to Obamacare.

How the hell does anyone get away with being this kind of pennypinching Ebenezer Scrooge? What business sense does it even make to screw your workers for a price difference NO ONE WILL EVEN NOTICE? Farking hell, just raise the cost of every pizza 25 cents, give your employees healthcare, enjoy the good publicity AND get and extra 11 to 15 cents profit per pizza.

Or Wal-Mart could pay all of their store workers $12/hr and up and it would cost shoppers an extra 40 CENTS per visit. But, hurr, nope, they'd rather have their workers desperate and not give a shiat with turnaround time in the months than have their pick of every minimum wage worker anywhere else clamoring to work there.

There's good business sense and there's being pointlessly miserly.
 
2012-11-10 10:07:54 AM
This just showed up on my FB feed, and it really fits:
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2012-11-10 10:12:21 AM
Guess I'll have to start boycotting their shiatty pizza. Oh right, I haven't ordered Papa John's since I was a college student. There's a great pizza place in Vinton, VA I order pizza from.
/fark you and your mansion Papa John
 
2012-11-10 10:19:35 AM

ToxicMunkee: Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.

 
2012-11-10 10:19:57 AM

LegacyDL: I pay my regular $10 for a large pizza pie from a local pizzeria that's been in the neighborhood for decades and I'm content with the taste.

What I don't understand is a few years back when there was this supposed milk shortage a lot of pizzerias in my area raised the prices of their pizza, so with that said why doesn't Papa Johns simply raise the price of their pizza to offset the supposed high costs of Obamacare?


I pay $8.99 for large one topping pie from my local pizza place. It's a small place run by Pakistanis, they make damn good shiat.
 
2012-11-10 10:36:23 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This just showed up on my FB feed, and it really fits:
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What's the drawbridge for? Any group of people laying siege to that place could simply walk around the pond...
 
2012-11-10 10:40:47 AM
Go ahead and boycott Papa Johns. I'm sure their margins are just as thin as Dominos or the other chains, and depend on the competent few that put in full hours + overtime to make up for the show-up-to-work-if-they-feel-like-it members of the team. And when you have to order for three dozen people, I'm sure everyone will be willing to pay top dollar for your personal favorite Cygnoid Family Bros. pizza.

This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

I'm dreading the jobs reports in early 2013 - wait for the Sequestration shoe to drop next. The Democrats own the economy now - the It's Bush's Fault card has officially expired - and the really sad part is the damage can't be limited to be people who voted for it.
 
2012-11-10 10:43:47 AM
CHARGE A BIT MORE FOR FOOD YOU ASSHOLES! We'll still buy the farking pizza if it's $15 instead of $12.
 
2012-11-10 10:44:22 AM
Because .14 cents per pizza is such an insurmountable cost. If you fail to scale your business with that small change (hah!) you would have failed years ago. Fluctuating cost is everywhere; I've had vendors who have doubled the charge for what I need, and still stayed in business.

No, sorry, Prussian_Roulette, this is political, and he's doing it to double-down. If his business is so sensitive to such a small alteration, he would have been gone and bust years ago.

/Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-11-10 10:44:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.

Maybe they can convince Obama to refuse inauguration if they keep this up!

Or, if nothing else, he can be less black!


He is half white. But I guess if he used white shoe polish, that would be racist, eh?
 
2012-11-10 10:46:51 AM
Now that I know which places not to support, I'd like to see a list of local pizza joints, neighborhood bars, and family style restaurants that will be willingly supporting Obamacare for the good of their employees, just so I know which deserve my support.
 
2012-11-10 10:47:00 AM
Really so business costs go up, and someone has to do lay offs, gee big surprise there, what's asinine is that there are people who really thought companies wouldn't lay people off. This is just round one, and the administration asked a few companies to hold off until after the election, so just wait till those start coming .
 
2012-11-10 10:53:49 AM
Fewer employees = worse service = lost customers. Great business idea there!

Raise the price of your pie by 50c and move on with life, you idiot.
 
2012-11-10 10:55:54 AM

Prussian_Roulette: This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.


It's 14 cents.
He's not being crucified for explaining the economic cause. He's being crucified because he's turned it into a political issue and people see it for the bullshiat that it is.
A farking tomato shortage affects the price of pizza more than does the cost of healthcare to employees, and this guy says he can't afford it? Bullshiat.
Like I said before, the non-asshole way to handle this is to explain the economic cause, raise the price 25 cents, enjoy the good PR and that extra 11 cents per pizza.
 
2012-11-10 10:56:21 AM

siphra: Really so business costs go up, and someone has to do lay offs, gee big surprise there, what's asinine is that there are people who really thought companies wouldn't lay people off. This is just round one, and the administration asked a few companies to hold off until after the election, so just wait till those start coming .


Considering a lot of companies are making record profits, this is a dick move. Fark those companies that laid employees off because they'd make 5% less in profits.
 
2012-11-10 10:57:19 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: Prussian_Roulette: This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

It's 14 cents.
He's not being crucified for explaining the economic cause. He's being crucified because he's turned it into a political issue and people see it for the bullshiat that it is.
A farking tomato shortage affects the price of pizza more than does the cost of healthcare to employees, and this guy says he can't afford it? Bullshiat.
Like I said before, the non-asshole way to handle this is to explain the economic cause, raise the price 25 cents, enjoy the good PR and that extra 11 cents per pizza.


I figured he was trolling, but your answers were well-put and to the point.
 
2012-11-10 11:03:44 AM

St_Francis_P: I figured he was trolling, but your answers were well-put and to the point.


I'm know and am related to too many people that think exactly like him.
Their answer to "Papa John's workers need healthcare" is "They should get a better job."
 
2012-11-10 11:06:34 AM

Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.


Call me crazy, but Domino's has been pretty decent since they changed their recipe. It's still not as good as a local pizzeria can be, but it's pretty good for a chain restaurant.
 
2012-11-10 11:09:20 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: Prussian_Roulette: This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

It's 14 cents.
He's not being crucified for explaining the economic cause. He's being crucified because he's turned it into a political issue and people see it for the bullshiat that it is.
A farking tomato shortage affects the price of pizza more than does the cost of healthcare to employees, and this guy says he can't afford it? Bullshiat.
Like I said before, the non-asshole way to handle this is to explain the economic cause, raise the price 25 cents, enjoy the good PR and that extra 11 cents per pizza.


Seriously, a quarter per pizza?

No one is going to biatch about paying a quarter more for their pizza. A Quarter is nearly worthless these days, anyway.

So, basically, Douchebag "job creator" wants to make a political statement, hopefully will have his ass handed to him when he loses customers and profits because he's a douchebag. He thought having to give his employees healthcare would cost him, I hope to see him offering to suck dick on the streetcorner to get people to come back and buy his shiatty pizza because of all the customers his douchebag move costs him.
 
2012-11-10 11:13:33 AM

NeoCortex42: Pocket Ninja: I basically think of people who voluntarily eat Papa John's, Pizza Hut, or Domino's pizza as aliens, anyway.

Call me crazy, but Domino's has been pretty decent since they changed their recipe. It's still not as good as a local pizzeria can be, but it's pretty good for a chain restaurant.


You're batshiat crazy.  NTTAWWT.
 
2012-11-10 11:16:29 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This just showed up on my FB feed, and it really fits:
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He hosted a private fundraiser for Mitt Romney at his castle.

Even Mitt thought it was over-the-top: YouTube link
 
2012-11-10 11:17:48 AM

Prussian_Roulette: Go ahead and boycott Papa Johns. I'm sure their margins are just as thin as Dominos or the other chains, and depend on the competent few that put in full hours + overtime to make up for the show-up-to-work-if-they-feel-like-it members of the team. And when you have to order for three dozen people, I'm sure everyone will be willing to pay top dollar for your personal favorite Cygnoid Family Bros. pizza.

This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

I'm dreading the jobs reports in early 2013 - wait for the Sequestration shoe to drop next. The Democrats own the economy now - the It's Bush's Fault card has officially expired - and the really sad part is the damage can't be limited to be people who voted for it.


Good to know the Republican - majority House has ceeded control of the budget to the Senate. I must have missed that story!

/"Do what we want or watch the economy burn" is a hell of a way to run a business, or a political party
 
2012-11-10 11:20:28 AM

Sgt Otter: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: This just showed up on my FB feed, and it really fits:
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 413x413]

He hosted a private fundraiser for Mitt Romney at his castle.

Even Mitt thought it was over-the-top: YouTube link


Wow. Please tell me Mitt's planning a career in stand-up comedy now that he's out of work.
 
2012-11-10 11:23:05 AM
Here's the quote that started all this. John Schnatter, Chief Executive said:

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis. To put that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 - or about 10-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare [law] to Papa John's. We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics [are] about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare.... We have a high ticket average with extremely high frequency of order counts - millions of pizzas per year. To give you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up, which it does from time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising delivery charges. But the price of fuel is out of our control, as is Obamacare. So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto the consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest."

Here's what he said to spark this article:

"That's what you do, is you pass on costs. Unfortunately, I don't think people know what they're going to pay for this." and "the good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance." and "Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them." and "Other than his comments on health care, Schnatter largely steered clear of politics."

The last two are from the original source article, here, which mentions he left the speaking event this article sites to run a telethon for Sandy victims.

So is everyone here getting upset because of these comments or because the writer set you up and you fell for it?
 
2012-11-10 11:30:47 AM
I've been working at Papa John's as a second to cover expenses while my wife has been looking for a new job. She has lined up a bunch of really good interviews lately. I was going to wait until she had a lock on the new job, but fark it- I think this as a good excuse as any to quit.
 
2012-11-10 11:33:06 AM
I'm almost as sick of businesses and businessmen who think their "expertise" qualifies them to govern or dictate to government as I am of preachers who think the same thing.
 
2012-11-10 11:33:52 AM

Louis the Unlucky: Here's the quote that started all this. John Schnatter, Chief Executive said:

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis. To put that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 - or about 10-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare [law] to Papa John's. We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics [are] about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare.... We have a high ticket average with extremely high frequency of order counts - millions of pizzas per year. To give you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up, which it does from time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising delivery charges. But the price of fuel is out of our control, as is Obamacare. So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto the consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest."

Here's what he said to spark this article:

"That's what you do, is you pass on costs. Unfortunately, I don't think people know what they're going to pay for this." and "the good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance." and "Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them." and "Other than his comments on health care, Schnatter largely steered clear of politics."

The last two are from the original source article, here, which mentions he left the speaking event this article sites to run a telethon for Sandy victims.

So is everyone here getting upset because of these comments or because the writer set you up and you fell for it?


Playing devil's advocate, it's pretty easy to believe people on the right might say something this boneheaded
 
2012-11-10 11:42:02 AM
Is this the same Papa John's CEO that said Papa John's, Inc. can more than afford to build him a 22 car garage with a moat?
 
2012-11-10 11:48:45 AM
Translation: Less people are buying his Pizza since they heard what a douche he is.
 
2012-11-10 11:50:56 AM
Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?
 
2012-11-10 11:51:44 AM

Generation_D: You can't possibly pass the 14 cents on to the consumer, oh no.


He knows that his pizza sells as it is cheap. What I didn't know is that 14 cents is what separates his pizza from another -- he should really try another route for attracting customers.

I'm also perplexed at how cutting worker's hours helps him out. Presumably he's making money every hour they are there with or without an added cost. I can't see how cutting back makes more revenue or profits.
 
2012-11-10 11:57:46 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?


They all have delusions of rulership: first you get the pizza, then you get the power. Like a bunch of little Caesars.
 
2012-11-10 12:01:06 PM
So they're basically announcing that they'll be understaffed which will lead to bad (or worse) customer service. Alrighty then.
 
2012-11-10 12:04:05 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: He probably could just save money by not advertising here in the Northeast anymore, where even the smallest town has one or two pizzerias a million times better than his shops. Oh wait, that wouldn't combine the relief of a hissyfit with the joy of kicking poor people in the balls, now would it?


There's a Papa John's here in town, on Rt. 9, where there's a family-owned pizza joint every 3/4 of a mile or so, if that far. I don't for a second understand who orders that crap they try to pass off as Papa John's "pizza".
 
2012-11-10 12:06:14 PM

ThatGuyGreg: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: He probably could just save money by not advertising here in the Northeast anymore, where even the smallest town has one or two pizzerias a million times better than his shops. Oh wait, that wouldn't combine the relief of a hissyfit with the joy of kicking poor people in the balls, now would it?

There's a Papa John's here in town, on Rt. 9, where there's a family-owned pizza joint every 3/4 of a mile or so, if that far. I don't for a second understand who orders that crap they try to pass off as Papa John's "pizza".


I was gonna guess transplants from the flyover states, but it says you're in NJ. Surely even hicks could make the NJ=many Italians=good pizza connection?
 
2012-11-10 12:10:16 PM

stratagos: Louis the Unlucky: Here's the quote that started all this. John Schnatter, Chief Executive said:

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis. To put that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 - or about 10-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare [law] to Papa John's. We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics [are] about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare.... We have a high ticket average with extremely high frequency of order counts - millions of pizzas per year. To give you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up, which it does from time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising delivery charges. But the price of fuel is out of our control, as is Obamacare. So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto the consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest."

Here's what he said to spark this article:

"That's what you do, is you pass on costs. Unfortunately, I don't think people know what they're going to pay for this." and "the good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance." and "Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them." and "Other than his comments on health care, Schnatter largely steered clear of politics."

The last two are from the original source article, here, which mentions he left the speaking event this article sites to run a telethon for Sandy victims.

So is everyone here getting upset because of these comments or because the writer set you up and you fell for it?

Playing devil's advocate, it's pretty easy to believe people on the right might say something this boneheaded


Not sure I see this as right, left, center, or bonehead. I do see this article and our comments attributing politics to economics. My curiosity is would our comments be the same and as passionate after a presentation of the facts?
 
2012-11-10 12:14:40 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?


Mike Illitch of Little Caesar's seems to be a pretty decent guy, and an actual philanthropist. He's been trying to re-build Detroit, and does a lot of things for veterans.

/Although someone will probably will a link proving me completely wrong.
 
2012-11-10 12:20:31 PM

Sgt Otter: Glockenspiel Hero: Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?

Mike Illitch of Little Caesar's seems to be a pretty decent guy, and an actual philanthropist. He's been trying to re-build Detroit, and does a lot of things for veterans.

/Although someone will probably will a link proving me completely wrong.


Highly doubt they will. Ilitch has done more for Detroit and the area than almost anyone of recent years. Lots of charity work as well as good publicity.
 
2012-11-10 12:31:58 PM
There are nine different pizza places that are near or deliver to my apartment. I'll order from the one who can get the pizza here in a reasonable timeframe. Somehow I don't think Papa Johns will survive long.
 
2012-11-10 12:33:26 PM
Obamacare is having all sorts of fantastic unintended consequences. The idea f a world with less Applebees, Papa Johns, and Dominoes is great. Those places all suck rocks anyway.
 
2012-11-10 12:34:44 PM
Hey, all you CEO's throwing tantrums: You're why I voted to re-elect Obama. Because fark you.
 
2012-11-10 12:45:37 PM

FirstNationalBastard: No one is going to biatch about paying a quarter more for their pizza.


Why didn't they raise the price by a quarter before? Increase profits.
 
2012-11-10 12:45:47 PM
His pizza gives me diarrhea, anyway. Always has. I can't boycott something I don't buy in the first place.

:(
 
2012-11-10 12:45:52 PM

jayhawk88: CHARGE A BIT MORE FOR FOOD YOU ASSHOLES! We'll still buy the farking pizza if it's $15 instead of $12.


So much this. If the cost of making sure everyone in the country has health care, I'm pretty sure I can chip in an extra buck or two on my pizza.
 
2012-11-10 12:46:40 PM
I don't get this decision by employers to reduce employee hours below "full-time" to avoid benefits like this. First there's the obvious PR issue, but then you have to figure how to deal with having a smaller workforce for the business. If you can do the same work with employees working fewer hours, why were that many employees hired in the first place? If they wind up hiring more part-time employees to make up the difference, doesn't the overhead involved in more payroll, training, and turnover rate negate any savings from avoiding ObamaCare?

Sounds like a shiatty CEO no matter how you look at it.
 
2012-11-10 12:50:00 PM
Ok, So far there's a lot of stupid shiat these business owners are doing because their horse-riding, magic underwear-wearing, bayonet-and-binders-full-of-women-wielding candidate lost.

Seriously, it's not the end of the world. You already know Obama is a center-right Repub... I mean, Democrat.

Then again, now the American people know the game is up, who they are really dealing with, and they're not gonna take it anymore.
 
2012-11-10 12:54:39 PM
THE LAST PEOPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE HEALTH INSURANCE TO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE YOUR FOOD.
 
2012-11-10 12:56:43 PM
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that no one is buying their shiatty pizza.
 
2012-11-10 01:00:33 PM
They typically sell thier pies for 1/2 price anyhow.


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2012-11-10 01:00:59 PM
When did fark turn into reddit...the pizza snobs in this thread are sickening...

Sometimes you want a 12 dollar pizza shipped right to your front door..
 
2012-11-10 01:05:08 PM
Should have just done it and been quiet about it. Now there is going to be backlash against Papa John's by Liberals, meanwhile teapartiers will elevate Papa John's into the same pantheon of fine dining now reserved only for Chick-fil-A.
 
2012-11-10 01:06:34 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Schnatter made headlines over the summer when he told shareholders that the cost of a Papa John's pizza will increase by between 11 and 14 cents due to Obamacare.

How the hell does anyone get away with being this kind of pennypinching Ebenezer Scrooge? What business sense does it even make to screw your workers for a price difference NO ONE WILL EVEN NOTICE? Farking hell, just raise the cost of every pizza 25 cents, give your employees healthcare, enjoy the good publicity AND get and extra 11 to 15 cents profit per pizza.

Or Wal-Mart could pay all of their store workers $12/hr and up and it would cost shoppers an extra 40 CENTS per visit. But, hurr, nope, they'd rather have their workers desperate and not give a shiat with turnaround time in the months than have their pick of every minimum wage worker anywhere else clamoring to work there.

There's good business sense and there's being pointlessly miserly.


Just imagine I posted a picture of bears over and over here.
 
2012-11-10 01:07:43 PM
The number of small business owners who show up in these threads to offer advice on how they should cope with increased health care costs is amazing amusing.
 
2012-11-10 01:29:37 PM

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.


If this really is a bad idea then they'll pay the consequences and suffer either diminished profits or loss of the entire business. Then their smarter, more enlightened competitors will swoop in and grab their customers. So what's the problem?
 
2012-11-10 01:37:35 PM

jjorsett: If this really is a bad idea then they'll pay the consequences and suffer either diminished profits or loss of the entire business. Then their smarter, more enlightened competitors will swoop in and grab their customers. So what's the problem?


... that people are having their hours slashed in the CEO's pissy-pants little tantrum in the mean time?
 
2012-11-10 01:41:50 PM

Louis the Unlucky: Here's the quote that started all this. John Schnatter, Chief Executive said:

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis. To put that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 - or about 10-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare [law] to Papa John's. We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics [are] about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare.... We have a high ticket average with extremely high frequency of order counts - millions of pizzas per year. To give you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up, which it does from time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising delivery charges. But the price of fuel is out of our control, as is Obamacare. So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto the consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest."

Here's what he said to spark this article:

"That's what you do, is you pass on costs. Unfortunately, I don't think people know what they're going to pay for this." and "the good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance." and "Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them." and "Other than his comments on health care, Schnatter largely steered clear of politics."

The last two are from the original source article, here, which mentions he left the speaking event this article sites to run a telethon for Sandy victims.

So is everyone here getting upset because of these comments or because the writer set you up and you fell for it?


Crickets
 
2012-11-10 01:51:28 PM
FTA : Schnatter went on to say he's neither in support of, nor against the Affordable Care Act, even admitting that "the good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance."

A country where all citizens can take care of their health, or expansion of yet another crappy pizza chain ...

What to do .. what to do ...
 
2012-11-10 01:57:41 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jjorsett: If this really is a bad idea then they'll pay the consequences and suffer either diminished profits or loss of the entire business. Then their smarter, more enlightened competitors will swoop in and grab their customers. So what's the problem?

... that people are having their hours slashed in the CEO's pissy-pants little tantrum in the mean time?


You mean they suffer the consequences of increased costs to the business owner? I know you think the business should just accept less (or no) profit for the good of society, but the real world does not work that way.

And short of nationalizing all business, it never will.
 
2012-11-10 02:03:19 PM

AbsentFriends: LouDobbsAwaaaay: jjorsett: If this really is a bad idea then they'll pay the consequences and suffer either diminished profits or loss of the entire business. Then their smarter, more enlightened competitors will swoop in and grab their customers. So what's the problem?

... that people are having their hours slashed in the CEO's pissy-pants little tantrum in the mean time?

You mean they suffer the consequences of increased costs to the business owner? I know you think the business should just accept less (or no) profit for the good of society, but the real world does not work that way.

And short of nationalizing all business, it never will.


Or, they could raise the cost of their pizza by a quarter.
 
2012-11-10 02:04:46 PM

AbsentFriends: You mean they suffer the consequences of increased costs to the business owner? I know you think the business should just accept less (or no) profit for the good of society, but the real world does not work that way.


I was asked what the down-side is to a CEO hissy-fit, provided the invisible hand of the free market will correct everything eventually. What they suffer is the consequences of a CEO having a hissy-fit and taking his aggression out on his subordinates. "Throw down Obamacare or else I'm raising pizza prices!" Obamacare remains. "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"

The free market may eventually straighten out this nonsense, but in the mean time lots of people are being hurt because a guy who lives in a mansion on a compound the size of a small European country can't stand the idea of his employees having healthcare. There's nothing wrong with recognizing how farked up that is.
 
2012-11-10 02:06:22 PM
Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.
 
2012-11-10 02:10:32 PM
So, is this the new marketing strategy for GOP-owned businesses? Say something stupid in the media that may cause a boycott, shout "VICTIM!", profit?
 
2012-11-10 02:14:37 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: AbsentFriends: You mean they suffer the consequences of increased costs to the business owner? I know you think the business should just accept less (or no) profit for the good of society, but the real world does not work that way.

I was asked what the down-side is to a CEO hissy-fit, provided the invisible hand of the free market will correct everything eventually. What they suffer is the consequences of a CEO having a hissy-fit and taking his aggression out on his subordinates. "Throw down Obamacare or else I'm raising pizza prices!" Obamacare remains. "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"

The free market may eventually straighten out this nonsense, but in the mean time lots of people are being hurt because a guy who lives in a mansion on a compound the size of a small European country can't stand the idea of his employees having healthcare. There's nothing wrong with recognizing how farked up that is.


When did the Papa John's CEO say any of that? In the source article HufPo sites, here, he says the opposite. He sounds pretty happy that everyone in America will have healthcare and says his business is in a good position to absorb the extra costs.
 
2012-11-10 02:16:48 PM

wellreadneck: Now that I know which places not to support, I'd like to see a list of local pizza joints, neighborhood bars, and family style restaurants that will be willingly supporting Obamacare for the good of their employees, just so I know which deserve my support.


Why don't you just get out of the house and go see these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses?
 
2012-11-10 02:21:04 PM

Louis the Unlucky: When did the Papa John's CEO say any of that? In the source article HufPo sites, here, he says the opposite. He sounds pretty happy that everyone in America will have healthcare and says his business is in a good position to absorb the extra costs.


"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

He outlined the effect of the legislation as forcing an increase in prices of 15-20 cents per pizza. When it became clear that this wasn't riling people up enough, he moved to slashing hours. He threatened to increase prices in response to the law, people were okay with that, so now he's doing something more despicable.
 
2012-11-10 02:25:15 PM

hovsm: Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.


That's one way to be a true Job CreatorTM, hire thousands of people to work 2 hours a week each.
 
2012-11-10 02:27:05 PM

Prussian_Roulette: Go ahead and boycott Papa Johns. I'm sure their margins are just as thin as Dominos or the other chains, and depend on the competent few that put in full hours + overtime to make up for the show-up-to-work-if-they-feel-like-it members of the team. And when you have to order for three dozen people, I'm sure everyone will be willing to pay top dollar for your personal favorite Cygnoid Family Bros. pizza.

This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

I'm dreading the jobs reports in early 2013 - wait for the Sequestration shoe to drop next. The Democrats own the economy now - the It's Bush's Fault card has officially expired - and the really sad part is the damage can't be limited to be people who voted for it.


If all it takes for your business not to be able to afford health care is this, you suck at business. Papa John is a raving right wing asshat who apparently is fine with screwing over his own employees.

What angers me is how many people buy into this crap, yourself included apparently.
 
2012-11-10 02:28:05 PM

NeoCortex42: I don't get this decision by employers to reduce employee hours below "full-time" to avoid benefits like this. First there's the obvious PR issue, but then you have to figure how to deal with having a smaller workforce for the business. If you can do the same work with employees working fewer hours, why were that many employees hired in the first place? If they wind up hiring more part-time employees to make up the difference, doesn't the overhead involved in more payroll, training, and turnover rate negate any savings from avoiding ObamaCare?

Sounds like a shiatty CEO no matter how you look at it.


PJ's CEO isn't cutting any store workers' hours. He said some of his franchise owners may do so. Much of the derp about cutting hours is coming from franchisees - people who are so incapable of conceiving a sound business plan that they have to rent one from somebody smarter.
 
2012-11-10 02:33:31 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Louis the Unlucky: When did the Papa John's CEO say any of that? In the source article HufPo sites, here, he says the opposite. He sounds pretty happy that everyone in America will have healthcare and says his business is in a good position to absorb the extra costs.

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

He outlined the effect of the legislation as forcing an increase in prices of 15-20 cents per pizza. When it became clear that this wasn't riling people up enough, he moved to slashing hours. He threatened to increase prices in response to the law, people were okay with that, so now he's doing something more despicable.


Here's the full quote:

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis. To put that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 - or about 10-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare [law] to Papa John's. We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics [are] about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare.... We have a high ticket average with extremely high frequency of order counts - millions of pizzas per year. To give you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up, which it does from time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising delivery charges. But the price of fuel is out of our control, as is Obamacare. So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto the consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest."

What statements are riling people up? Where does he announce slashed hours? He does say that if there are costs that cannot be absorbed he'll pass them along to the consumers, but it doesn't sound like a price hike is his first choice. How are you connecting your citation "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry." to your quote "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"?
 
2012-11-10 02:36:42 PM
Of all the industries where you really really don't want sick people showing up at work and unable to see a doctor, food service is at the top of the list.
 
2012-11-10 02:40:23 PM
Papa John's pizza is crap, enjoy your slide to irrelevance and failure. You won't be missed.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-11-10 02:42:40 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm pretty sure they're people who have never even met an Italian.


Most Americans probably wouldn't call a Neapolitan pizza a pizza, they'd whine about NY pizza, or Chicago pizza or some other shiat...
 
2012-11-10 02:43:18 PM

wee: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm pretty sure they're people who have never even met an Italian.

Most Americans probably wouldn't call a Neapolitan pizza a pizza, they'd whine about NY pizza, or Chicago pizza or some other shiat...


That's the one with vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry, right?
 
2012-11-10 02:48:04 PM

Louis the Unlucky: What statements are riling people up? Where does he announce slashed hours? He does say that if there are costs that cannot be absorbed he'll pass them along to the consumers, but it doesn't sound like a price hike is his first choice. How are you connecting your citation "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry." to your quote "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"?


I suspect you are using the Idiot Regress here: The trolling tactic where you just constantly ask for clarification, over and over again, in some mad attempt at retaining my attention. However, I'll give this one more shot:

John Schnatter is no fan of healthcare reform: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

John Schnatter prices-in the cost of healthcare reform: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis."

Obamacare is obviously upheld as Obama handily wins re-election.

People were not shaken enough by the idea of prices going up 15-20 cents, so John Schnatter decides to start slashing hours on top of the price increases.
 
2012-11-10 02:54:44 PM
He mentioned "Obamacare" 7 times in a one paragraph denouncement.

Seems like he has issues.
 
2012-11-10 02:55:00 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Louis the Unlucky: What statements are riling people up? Where does he announce slashed hours? He does say that if there are costs that cannot be absorbed he'll pass them along to the consumers, but it doesn't sound like a price hike is his first choice. How are you connecting your citation "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry." to your quote "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"?

I suspect you are using the Idiot Regress here: The trolling tactic where you just constantly ask for clarification, over and over again, in some mad attempt at retaining my attention. However, I'll give this one more shot:

John Schnatter is no fan of healthcare reform: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

John Schnatter prices-in the cost of healthcare reform: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis."

Obamacare is obviously upheld as Obama handily wins re-election.

People were not shaken enough by the idea of prices going up 15-20 cents, so John Schnatter decides to start slashing hours on top of the price increases.


No, he didn't. He merely speculated that some of his franchisees may decide to do so.

Because he knows that some of his franchisees are farking morons.
 
2012-11-10 02:57:11 PM

AbsentFriends: LouDobbsAwaaaay: jjorsett: If this really is a bad idea then they'll pay the consequences and suffer either diminished profits or loss of the entire business. Then their smarter, more enlightened competitors will swoop in and grab their customers. So what's the problem?

... that people are having their hours slashed in the CEO's pissy-pants little tantrum in the mean time?

You mean they suffer the consequences of increased costs to the business owner? I know you think the business should just accept less (or no) profit for the good of society, but the real world does not work that way.

And short of nationalizing all business, it never will.


Bullshiat. Other countries seem to manage it.
 
2012-11-10 03:01:12 PM
So when is Fox News going to sponsor a "Support Your Local Papa John's" day?
 
2012-11-10 03:10:10 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Louis the Unlucky: What statements are riling people up? Where does he announce slashed hours? He does say that if there are costs that cannot be absorbed he'll pass them along to the consumers, but it doesn't sound like a price hike is his first choice. How are you connecting your citation "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry." to your quote "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"?

I suspect you are using the Idiot Regress here: The trolling tactic where you just constantly ask for clarification, over and over again, in some mad attempt at retaining my attention. However, I'll give this one more shot:

John Schnatter is no fan of healthcare reform: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

John Schnatter prices-in the cost of healthcare reform: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare [law] will cost about 11 to 14 cents per pizza - or 15 or 20 cents per order from a corporate basis."

Obamacare is obviously upheld as Obama handily wins re-election.

People were not shaken enough by the idea of prices going up 15-20 cents, so John Schnatter decides to start slashing hours on top of the price increases.


From the article I linked to:

Schnatter, a Mitt Romney supporter and fundraiser, said he was not "pro or against" the reform law but likened the government's involvement in health care to its operation of the U.S. Postal Service, saying "the worst entity in the world for running the thing is the government."

and

About a third of Papa John's employees are covered by the company's health insurance plan, although Schnatter said he has always wanted 100 percent of them on the plan. The rising costs of health insurance, he said, have been a deterrent.

and

Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them. "That's probably what's going to happen," he said. "It's common sense. That's what I call lose-lose."

What he says and what you say don't sound the same to me. He wants all his employees covered but can't because of high prices. He does not have an opinion on the law, just on the government administering it. He won't reduce employee hours but thinks it's common sense to expect some franchise owners to and calls that a lose-lose. I'm asking some specific questions about your statements and why you attribute them to this CEO? I'm interested in a supported counter-point to what I have found out there. Here they are again.

What statements are riling people up? I ask this because I think that writers are riling people up, not these statements. Where does he announce slashed hours? I can't find that one attributed to him. How are you connecting your citation "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry." to your quote "Fark it, you're all fired! And I'm raising prices anyway! ARRRRRGGHGH!!!!1!"? I'm not finding a connection.
 
2012-11-10 03:15:33 PM
John Schnatter is just another greedy corporate CEO douchebag who just doesn't get it. Go ahead. Raise your prices. Lay off your workers who bust their ass to make you money. Piss off your customers and lose income and revenue. If you are smart, you'd get out of the food business entirely while you still have money.

Your pizza and sides are crap. You only have one product (aside from sauces) that has 0 carbs in it. It's your unsauced chicken wings... and even then I'm not sure if you bread and fry them.

He's just another big business player behind the scenes that's got the American people in a stranglehold regarding their health and wealth.

As far as I'm concerned, Papa Johns Pizza can go out of business. You'd be doing the American people a huge favor!

Let's see more companies around like Crazy Bowls & Wraps that serve tasty and healthy food replace them!
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-11-10 03:22:40 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: That's the one with vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry, right?


Yep! (Just be sure to eat the chocolate first. Strawberry last.)
 
2012-11-10 03:29:51 PM

Nightjars: Fewer employees = worse service = lost customers. Great business idea there!

Raise the price of your pie by 50c and move on with life, you idiot.


Almost this. They still have a mandatory number of man hours required to run the restaurant effectively. So if they are going to cut hours they are going to have to pick up more people. When a restaurant is forced by managerial labor restrictions to limit hours like that, it severely lessens the restaurants ability to pick and choose who works there. I.E. If you are not allowed to work someone who is great at their job for 60 hours a week, you have to limit them to forty and hire someone that is only looking for part time work to pick up the twenty and often times those people are not professional or serious about their work.
I was hired on as an assistant manager at a successful Papa John's. Starting pay: $7.50/hr, no benefits, no overtime. I didn't stay long. But apparently it's just gonna kill big papa to extend the slightest benefit to the peons who are in his stores every day buttering his bread.

/Lost my first restaurant and my house during the worst of the recession
/Really bakes my noodle to hear wealthy people talk about just how tough they've got it in this economy knowing damn good and well they've wanted for nothing this entire time
 
2012-11-10 03:33:39 PM
obviously these guys don't know how to run their businesses. The government should step in and take over their businesses to assure no jobs are lost.
 
2012-11-10 03:47:42 PM
Rich white guys couldn't buy the election, now rich white guys are having a temper tantrum.
 
2012-11-10 03:51:05 PM

hovsm: Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.


Sucks when the law of unintended consequences bites in you in the arse, eh?

If the penalty to NOT insure your workers is cheaper than the cost to insure your workers, I would not be surprised if more companies decide to remove health insurance as a benefit, and let their employees go on 0bamacare.
 
2012-11-10 03:59:48 PM

Nightjars: Fewer employees = worse service = lost customers. Great business idea there!

Raise the price of your pie by 50c and move on with life, you idiot.


They'll actually end up hiring more people who'll just work fewer hours. And those people will probably get another shiatty job that also doesn't want to have to pay for healthcare to make up for the lost income.
 
2012-11-10 04:00:44 PM
Obama promised that we would be able to keep our plans, keep our doctors. My company has completely changed all of our health plans for next year. I am sure almost every other company has done the same. Companies are switching employees to part-time and limiting hiring. Obama can blame the companies for those changes, but Obamacare could have been written differently to lessen the amount of changes made. Don't write a law that is so onerous to businesses, companies that were offering health insurance before the law are no longer willing to after the law and then blame them because people lose their plans.

If your goal is to maximize the amount of people on a government-run health plan, then you have to force employers to drop their employees from their plans. And that's what it is doing. And once you have someone on a government-run health plan, they are completely dependent on government. Government has more power over the individual. And when government runs your health plan, they can decide whether or not you can receive health care.
 
2012-11-10 04:02:34 PM
Just the latest excuse for the ongoing experiment to see exactly how few employees you can get by with before the place implodes. When I went to work at my current employer we had 26 employees and were getting the job done with minimum OT. Now we're down to HALF that (more or less, depending on how stupid the employees and/or the management has been that day) and the company insists it can't figure out why we aren't getting any work done when we're averaging sixty hours a week.
 
2012-11-10 04:10:13 PM

MBrady: hovsm: Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.

Sucks when the law of unintended consequences bites in you in the arse, eh?

If the penalty to NOT insure your workers is cheaper than the cost to insure your workers, I would not be surprised if more companies decide to remove health insurance as a benefit, and let their employees go on 0bamacare.


We wanted Single Payer, or a "Medicare for all" system. Everyone WOULD have been covered, and it would have been cheaper for all.

But the big insurance lobby would have lost out, and your side screamed long and hard and forced Obama to concede some points, which he did.

We got a worse system because your side screamed to make it be worse, so your big companies you love to worship could keep making money.

Many large insurance companies had great years, but where's the trickle down savings to the private employers?

Oh, right, you blame Obamacare.

If anything Obama was not tough enough. He should have nationalized health care and told these big insurers get with the program or be broken up. And gotten America the same quality/price health care now enjoyed by EVERY OTHER FIRST WORLD NATION IN THE WORLD.

Instead he caved to the Tea Bag asswits and CEOs and their lobbyists.

And people like you, apparently.
 
2012-11-10 04:15:40 PM
i don't buy pizza from a nitwit that acts like a Bobblehead in TV commercials.
 
2012-11-10 04:25:22 PM

Generation_D: MBrady: hovsm: Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.

Sucks when the law of unintended consequences bites in you in the arse, eh?

If the penalty to NOT insure your workers is cheaper than the cost to insure your workers, I would not be surprised if more companies decide to remove health insurance as a benefit, and let their employees go on 0bamacare.

We wanted Single Payer, or a "Medicare for all" system. Everyone WOULD have been covered, and it would have been cheaper for all.

But the big insurance lobby would have lost out, and your side screamed long and hard and forced Obama to concede some points, which he did.

We got a worse system because your side screamed to make it be worse, so your big companies you love to worship could keep making money.

Many large insurance companies had great years, but where's the trickle down savings to the private employers?

Oh, right, you blame Obamacare.

If anything Obama was not tough enough. He should have nationalized health care and told these big insurers get with the program or be broken up. And gotten America the same quality/price health care now enjoyed by EVERY OTHER FIRST WORLD NATION IN THE WORLD.

Instead he caved to the Tea Bag asswits and CEOs and their lobbyists.

And people like you, apparently.


Sounds like it's really your boy who screwed the pooch, eh?

0 forced enough reps in congress who were on the fence to vote for it, gave exemptions to over 1100 different organizations (unions mainly), but instead you blame the republicans. Typical.

You wanted it, you got it. Because you'll be paying for it.
 
2012-11-10 04:28:24 PM
employer subsidized health coverage is one of the reasons why Obamacare isn't single payer.

most americans don't have a clue how much their insurance premium really is. they cannot grasp how awful it is for people to attempt to get coverage without help from their employer.

remember kids: when Obamacare was originally proposed with a single-payer, public option, it was supported by WalMart. most employers don't want to be involved in making health insurance decisions, wal-mart's support of single payer showed that.
 
2012-11-10 04:32:44 PM
It's nice to see the Job Creators act so maturely when things don't go their way.
 
2012-11-10 04:38:24 PM

MBrady: Generation_D: MBrady: hovsm: Obamacare is just the latest reason. Before Obamacare it was, We can't give you full time because of "blank". This just backed up the hours to 30 rather than 40. Ok, they re-adjust to less than 30. Nothing has changed for companies. Just means the workers have to have three part time jobs instead of two.

Sucks when the law of unintended consequences bites in you in the arse, eh?

If the penalty to NOT insure your workers is cheaper than the cost to insure your workers, I would not be surprised if more companies decide to remove health insurance as a benefit, and let their employees go on 0bamacare.

We wanted Single Payer, or a "Medicare for all" system. Everyone WOULD have been covered, and it would have been cheaper for all.

But the big insurance lobby would have lost out, and your side screamed long and hard and forced Obama to concede some points, which he did.

We got a worse system because your side screamed to make it be worse, so your big companies you love to worship could keep making money.

Many large insurance companies had great years, but where's the trickle down savings to the private employers?

Oh, right, you blame Obamacare.

If anything Obama was not tough enough. He should have nationalized health care and told these big insurers get with the program or be broken up. And gotten America the same quality/price health care now enjoyed by EVERY OTHER FIRST WORLD NATION IN THE WORLD.

Instead he caved to the Tea Bag asswits and CEOs and their lobbyists.

And people like you, apparently.

Sounds like it's really your boy who screwed the pooch, eh?

0 forced enough reps in congress who were on the fence to vote for it, gave exemptions to over 1100 different organizations (unions mainly), but instead you blame the republicans. Typical.

You wanted it, you got it. Because you'll be paying for it.


correct. This was a major failing that lies completely on the feet of Democrats.

teabaggers like to take credit for this of course, but they didn't cause it.

Democrats didn't need republican votes to pass Obamacare. The Blue Dog Democrats betrayed the President.
they threatened to kill the legislation because of single payer, and most voted against it anyway AFTER single payer was removed to placate them.
 
2012-11-10 04:48:45 PM

For a vision of America's future, we need only look to what socialized medicine has done to Canada. There is no Papa John's, and the citizenry is forced to subsist on a foul gruel of french fries, gravy, and cheese curds.

www.aczoom.com

Welcome to Obama's America!
 
2012-11-10 04:50:09 PM
Their employee turnover rates are all ready huge. Do they really think they can keep someone on the job for more than 15 minutes now?
 
2012-11-10 05:18:22 PM
OH FFS. Not this horseshiat again. I have worked in many restaurants, in many states, in several different capacities. I never worked anywhere close to "full-time." Restaurant workers are scheduled for about 25-30 hours a week. The bosses want to make damn sure that no one collects overtime, and there's always some reason why you have to stay later or come in earlier--doofuses who come in at 10:45 when the place closes at 11, special parties, people get "sick" a lot. Since you're on a clock, the employees know to the minute how long they've worked, and the bosses go to quite a bit of trouble to make sure that no one collects overtime.

What kind of fantasy land do some people live in that they think restaurant workers actually get 40 hours a week? Yeah good luck with that.
 
2012-11-10 05:24:04 PM

cryinoutloud: OH FFS. Not this horseshiat again. I have worked in many restaurants, in many states, in several different capacities. I never worked anywhere close to "full-time." Restaurant workers are scheduled for about 25-30 hours a week. The bosses want to make damn sure that no one collects overtime, and there's always some reason why you have to stay later or come in earlier--doofuses who come in at 10:45 when the place closes at 11, special parties, people get "sick" a lot. Since you're on a clock, the employees know to the minute how long they've worked, and the bosses go to quite a bit of trouble to make sure that no one collects overtime.

What kind of fantasy land do some people live in that they think restaurant workers actually get 40 hours a week? Yeah good luck with that.


I work full time right now, and have at my last 3 jobs. I often put in 5 or 10 hours of overtime a week. Getting and retaining skilled employees isn't easy.
 
2012-11-10 05:37:53 PM
 
2012-11-10 05:38:15 PM
Want a good laugh, check out Papa John's twitter feed. About 90% of it is apologizing for bad service.
 
2012-11-10 06:03:24 PM
I'm so sick of all these companies punishing their employees rather than investing in them. You know what happens when more people end up out of work? THEY CAN'T BUY ANYTHING. Including that pizza you just saved 14 cents on producing.
 
2012-11-10 06:06:08 PM

laststarfighter: Want a good laugh, check out Papa John's twitter feed. About 90% of it is apologizing for bad service.


They cut worker hours, and that'll go up to 95%. Overworked workers tend not to give good service.
 
2012-11-10 06:18:41 PM
Businesses don't like uncertainty. I don't know anyone that has any dea of what the detailed immediate and longterm financial implications of Obamacare may be. The devil is in the details and they are still working on the details. Businesses will err on the side of caution until somebody tests the waters successfully. If some of the early adopters do well then businesses will jump on board. This is not rocket science. It is just the normal way that businesses digest change. Businesses are still using XP for Pete's sake.
 
2012-11-10 06:23:10 PM
I'll occasionally order Slapa Johns; their thin crust isn't that bad and their garlic butter is life threatening delicious. Mainly on evenings when I feel like not cooking or going out.

But, screw you dude, you're just being a dick.
 
2012-11-10 07:47:34 PM
Their idiot owner needs to save his money, so as to invest in a speech coach so that he doesn't f*cking stutter in his commercials.
 
2012-11-10 08:08:43 PM
Stop eating that crap and you won't need Obamacare so much.

Americans: Isn't it an American thing to be "proud of your country"?
Wouldn't you be proud knowing that all the people in your country have acces to medical care?
 
2012-11-10 08:09:15 PM
I heard Allen West needs a job, maybe he should head over to Papa John's, or Applebee's. If he works at both, he'll be assured of 40 hours minus the benefits he doesn't like people to have anyway.
 
2012-11-10 08:12:08 PM
In a post-apocalyptic Ayn Rand-predictive hellscape, I would choose starvation over eating anything that Papa Johns produced. But in an effort to balance Fark's "nation pizza chain" hate, I must heartily endorse Domino's new "deep dish" pizza crust*

I love to patronize my locally-owned neighborhood pizzeria, but props to Dominos for trying to improve their menu.

*Disclaimer: Chicagoan would laugh at calling their crust "deep dish". In truth, its more of a thicker "hand-tossed" crust, substantially more "bready" and not at all like the greasy mess Domino's formerly frozen dough deep dish was.
 
2012-11-10 08:23:16 PM
Who broke America? The divisive crap is getting old.
 
2012-11-10 08:24:30 PM
Well, good thing I haven't eaten Papa Johns in years. I got a hankering now and then, but then I learned a recipe for some dough and pizza sauce and now I can make a pie 10x better for .1 the cost.
 
2012-11-10 08:37:09 PM
I like pizza the way Momma used to make it:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-10 08:40:02 PM
Papa John is a fookin' Republican.

let them cut and let some other pizza place get the reward.
 
2012-11-10 08:44:39 PM

ThatGuyGreg: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: He probably could just save money by not advertising here in the Northeast anymore, where even the smallest town has one or two pizzerias a million times better than his shops. Oh wait, that wouldn't combine the relief of a hissyfit with the joy of kicking poor people in the balls, now would it?

There's a Papa John's here in town, on Rt. 9, where there's a family-owned pizza joint every 3/4 of a mile or so, if that far. I don't for a second understand who orders that crap they try to pass off as Papa John's "pizza".


Ah yes, that particular Papa John's is right by my in-laws' house. They rave about it, absolutely RAVE. I'll forgive my father-in-law, since he's a mountain boy who'll eat anything, but my mother-in-law is a full-blooded Italian. So. Much. Shame.

/haven't had Papa John's in over 6 months
//definitely don't plan on ending that streak
 
2012-11-10 09:10:14 PM

BarkingUnicorn: wellreadneck: Now that I know which places not to support, I'd like to see a list of local pizza joints, neighborhood bars, and family style restaurants that will be willingly supporting Obamacare for the good of their employees, just so I know which deserve my support.

Why don't you just get out of the house and go see these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses?


I've been out of the house enough to know that pretty much NONE of these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses being touted as alternatives ever offered health care benefits to their employees, nor will they. One of the reasons people choose to work at the Papas, the Applebees, and the Dardens is the opportunity to purchase the coverage that has never existed at the Mom and Pop joints. I'm as "screw corporate" as the next guy but let's not pretend that the majority of these owners are any more concerned about the healthcare of their workers than the big guys.
 
2012-11-10 09:16:51 PM
Translation: "I'm taking my ball of dough and going home".
 
2012-11-10 09:22:00 PM

wellreadneck: BarkingUnicorn: wellreadneck: Now that I know which places not to support, I'd like to see a list of local pizza joints, neighborhood bars, and family style restaurants that will be willingly supporting Obamacare for the good of their employees, just so I know which deserve my support.

Why don't you just get out of the house and go see these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses?

I've been out of the house enough to know that pretty much NONE of these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses being touted as alternatives ever offered health care benefits to their employees, nor will they. One of the reasons people choose to work at the Papas, the Applebees, and the Dardens is the opportunity to purchase the coverage that has never existed at the Mom and Pop joints. I'm as "screw corporate" as the next guy but let's not pretend that the majority of these owners are any more concerned about the healthcare of their workers than the big guys.


You're right; nationwide, 35.7% of firms with fewer than 50 employees offer health insurance

Oddly, 77.9% of Hawaiian tiny businesses offer health insurance. Is there some state requirement out there?
 
2012-11-10 09:49:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: wellreadneck: BarkingUnicorn: wellreadneck: Now that I know which places not to support, I'd like to see a list of local pizza joints, neighborhood bars, and family style restaurants that will be willingly supporting Obamacare for the good of their employees, just so I know which deserve my support.

Why don't you just get out of the house and go see these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses?

I've been out of the house enough to know that pretty much NONE of these LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD businesses being touted as alternatives ever offered health care benefits to their employees, nor will they. One of the reasons people choose to work at the Papas, the Applebees, and the Dardens is the opportunity to purchase the coverage that has never existed at the Mom and Pop joints. I'm as "screw corporate" as the next guy but let's not pretend that the majority of these owners are any more concerned about the healthcare of their workers than the big guys.

You're right; nationwide, 35.7% of firms with fewer than 50 employees offer health insurance

Oddly, 77.9% of Hawaiian tiny businesses offer health insurance. Is there some state requirement out there?


In my experience, the food service industry comes in at quite a bit below that, not to mention that, at least when working corporate, there's a hierarchy that can sometimes help. Working at Olive Garden can be a shiatty job but being trapped at Tony's Family Restaurant can be much worse.
 
2012-11-10 10:07:28 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see right through this sort of stunt for the bullshiat that it is?
 
2012-11-10 10:26:57 PM

StrangeQ: Well, good thing I haven't eaten Papa Johns in years. I got a hankering now and then, but then I learned a recipe for some dough and pizza sauce and now I can make a pie 10x better for .1 the cost.


Papa John's success has always kind of baffled me.

They're more expensive than their main competitors: Domino's, Pizza Hut, and Little Caesar's. They charge roughly what a really good, local, "craft" pizzeria charges, and it's about the same quality as Domino's.

If I want a good pizza, I'll order from a local place, run by someone (usually an actual Italian-American) who actually cares.
If I want something decent and affordable, I'd order Domino's or Pizza Hut.
If I need a shiatload of cheap, barely edible pizza for a party, I'll get Little Caesar's.

I really don't see where Papa John's fits in.
 
2012-11-10 10:28:37 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: They all have delusions of rulership: first you get the pizza, then you get the power. Like a bunch of little Caesars.


Winner!
 
2012-11-10 10:36:26 PM

AbsentFriends: The number of small business owners who show up in these threads to offer advice on how they should cope with increased health care costs is amazing amusing.


Ok, I'll bite. First of all, any business with over 50 employees is NOT considered a small business. Second, many states and some cities already have this law or a more strict version already in place. Lastly, my company has less than 50 employees...mostly low skill jobs...and we provide health insurance. Not because we have to, because its the right thing to do. Employees > Shareholders
 
2012-11-10 10:40:57 PM
Republican business owners forget how long of a memory and how unforgiving the public can be. Two decades ago Sears screwed me out of forty dollars they owed me for a refund. Not only did they never make another dime of my money, they lost thousands in future sales. When they bought KMart I stopped shopping there too. I warn everyone how dishonest those companies are. I never forget. I never forgive.

I suspect there are many consumers just like me.

Republicans business owners would do well to keep their mouths shut.
 
2012-11-10 11:06:42 PM

Mija: Republican business owners forget how long of a memory and how unforgiving the public can be. Two decades ago Sears screwed me out of forty dollars they owed me for a refund. Not only did they never make another dime of my money, they lost thousands in future sales. When they bought KMart I stopped shopping there too. I warn everyone how dishonest those companies are. I never forget. I never forgive.

I suspect there are many consumers just like me.

Republicans business owners would do well to keep their mouths shut.


Probably. I still refuse to go to chick-fil-a, and took nearly 10 years for me to get over something a waitress and manager pulled at Apple Bees on me... Already plan to remember this for Papa Johns and if Apple Bees does this shiat, I guess they're back on the list too
 
2012-11-10 11:13:19 PM
and the list just keeps growing.

Forward™
 
2012-11-10 11:41:03 PM

Prussian_Roulette: he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black


He would have been in the black regardless. But by all means, cry harder.
 
2012-11-10 11:50:14 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?


Tom Monaghan --- He sold his controlling stake in Domino's Pizza in 1998 to Bain Capital, an investment firm based in Boston, for an estimated $1 billion
 
2012-11-10 11:51:03 PM

Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.


...really? That was your reason?

I stopped buy their pizza because of their pizza.
 
2012-11-10 11:52:06 PM

China White Tea: I stopped buying their pizza because of their pizza.


ftfm
 
2012-11-11 12:02:42 AM

Sgt Otter: StrangeQ: Well, good thing I haven't eaten Papa Johns in years. I got a hankering now and then, but then I learned a recipe for some dough and pizza sauce and now I can make a pie 10x better for .1 the cost.

Papa John's success has always kind of baffled me.

They're more expensive than their main competitors: Domino's, Pizza Hut, and Little Caesar's. They charge roughly what a really good, local, "craft" pizzeria charges, and it's about the same quality as Domino's.

If I want a good pizza, I'll order from a local place, run by someone (usually an actual Italian-American) who actually cares.
If I want something decent and affordable, I'd order Domino's or Pizza Hut.
If I need a shiatload of cheap, barely edible pizza for a party, I'll get Little Caesar's.

I really don't see where Papa John's fits in.


I really don't see where you find people to come to your parties!
 
2012-11-11 12:05:03 AM

China White Tea: Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

...really? That was your reason?

I stopped buy their pizza because of their pizza.


but you look cooler to the Fark crowd if you say the other reason

 
2012-11-11 12:17:46 AM
Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.
 
2012-11-11 12:33:49 AM
Just raise your freaking prices buck a pie....and buy better damn ingredients...
 
2012-11-11 12:44:25 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.


It's good but it's not what you order delivered at 12 midnight because you can't find your pants.
 
2012-11-11 12:49:38 AM

CujoQuarrel: BarkingUnicorn: Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.

It's good but it's not what you order delivered at 12 midnight because you can't find your pants.


You greet the pizza delivery person without your pants?
 
2012-11-11 01:05:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: Of all the industries where you really really don't want sick people showing up at work and unable to see a doctor, food service is at the top of the list.


Also the fact the very people that buy their crap pizza are broke college kids and poor people.
 
2012-11-11 01:09:14 AM
Dammit, will the owners of chain restaurants I sometimes patronize kindly quit being petty assholes? I'd have been perfectly happy to disagree in principle but keep giving them my money, but no ... some mother farkers always gotta ice skate uphill.
 
2012-11-11 01:17:55 AM

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.



sounds familiar. something will have to be done to fix this because it is broken.
 
2012-11-11 01:33:02 AM
You can always get your pizza at COSTCO. Since their employees already have health insurance, they aren't affected by Obamacare.
 
2012-11-11 01:36:49 AM
alright, am i confused or what:

some companies want their employees to be covered by insurance but they don't want to pay for it (obamacare) so in order to get around obamacare, they cut hours so they don't have to pay while we in the restaurant industry have to get two jobs to just break even on our bills -- we're in it for the food, not the money, by the way, and not all of us work at Papa Johns or for a corporation/franchise...

i feel confused and would like some clarity if possible

what if i already have private insurance and don't need my employer to cover me? can i have the 10-15 hours a week back you motherf*ckers took away from me?

/i have the spins
 
2012-11-11 02:25:11 AM
I'd like to say I won't buy from them, but I will. Pizza is tasty. Garlic Sauce is good. Crust taste and texture to it is also good. Don't get the pepper thing but meh. They are sucesfull because they are awesome at marketing pizza ONLY $10 but you know by time they hit u with the fee's tax and tip you're busting out a $20
 
2012-11-11 03:28:13 AM
Lots of manufactured rage over this.
He made the initial statement about the likely price increase during his company's shareholders' meeting. This is relevant for anyone holding stock or thinking of buying. If they identified any other business risks on the horizon - like some shortages in the supply chain leading to price hikes - you bet that info would be put in front of the shareholders as well.
Of course the media went quote mining and made it look like he was whining on national TV about Obamacare or something.
And this time around?
"Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them." . That, and "The good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance. We're all going to pay for it."
 
2012-11-11 03:45:04 AM

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.


And the costs in question don't kick in for another year or two. In the meantime enterprising young enterprisers will find ways to make admin costs all but disappear and offer up their services, and businesses that know how to do business will survive and/or thrive.

/Apparently, I have more faith in American business than these schmucks.
 
2012-11-11 04:45:20 AM
i haven't had papa john's in about 10 years, but i remember that i enjoyed it... i did like the big tub of garlic butter notion as well...
 
2012-11-11 08:37:49 AM
This is one reason why health care shouldn't be employer based.
 
2012-11-11 09:11:31 AM

Prussian_Roulette: Go ahead and boycott Papa Johns. I'm sure their margins are just as thin as Dominos or the other chains, and depend on the competent few that put in full hours + overtime to make up for the show-up-to-work-if-they-feel-like-it members of the team. And when you have to order for three dozen people, I'm sure everyone will be willing to pay top dollar for your personal favorite Cygnoid Family Bros. pizza.

This guy's sin was having the gall to explain economic cause and effect and he's being crucified because he wants to stay in the black rather than taking a loss until Obama's magical pixie dust cures the nation.

I'm dreading the jobs reports in early 2013 - wait for the Sequestration shoe to drop next. The Democrats own the economy now - the It's Bush's Fault card has officially expired - and the really sad part is the damage can't be limited to be people who voted for it.


Butthurt like typing detected.
 
2012-11-11 09:55:33 AM

China White Tea: Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

...really? That was your reason?

I stopped buy their pizza because of their pizza.


That was our reason - and it's a good one.

Only two pizza establishments deliver to our neighborhood (he live in a rural setting) and Papa John's accompanied alcohol very well.
 
2012-11-11 10:28:00 AM
Gosh, is that fourteen whole cents more AMERICAN per pizza to insure everybody full-time at Papa John's? How much more to pay 'em all minimum wage, too?
 
2012-11-11 10:53:53 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: draw


It looks to me as if the drawbridge goes into a cave under the golf course, which might (should? must??) be where keeps cars. Admit, any 8 year old would find that the most awesome thing ever, and of course it requires a drawbridge because, hey, secret bat cave.

Of course the guy's a huge jerkass , but I can appreciate on some level the point of having an awesome drawbridge in your ostentatious pizza castle which was built on the sweat of minimum wage teenagers.
 
2012-11-11 12:03:50 PM
Franchises with razor thin margins cannot afford additional payouts.

...

Film at 11. This is Ric Romero reporting.
 
2012-11-11 12:14:51 PM

BarkingUnicorn: CujoQuarrel: BarkingUnicorn: Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.

It's good but it's not what you order delivered at 12 midnight because you can't find your pants.

You greet the pizza delivery person without your pants?


"Dear Penthouse,

I never thought this would happen to me, but..."
 
2012-11-11 12:20:10 PM

TheZorker: Franchises with razor thin margins cannot afford additional payouts.


14 cents, you stupid jackass.
If you can't provide for your employees' wellbeing, you shouldn't be in business. You are not entitled to cheap labor. The price difference here is so negligible for something so important that the only explanations are intentional cruelty and political posturing.
 
2012-11-11 12:29:16 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: TheZorker: Franchises with razor thin margins cannot afford additional payouts.

14 cents, you stupid jackass.
If you can't provide for your employees' wellbeing, you shouldn't be in business. You are not entitled to cheap labor. The price difference here is so negligible for something so important that the only explanations are intentional cruelty and political posturing.


I don't get why everyone is so upset.
This guy is just playing within the rules, and his employees will still get health care REGARDLESS of the number of hours they work. THAT'S the whole point of Obamacare, I thought?
 
2012-11-11 12:38:10 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Their pizza sucks and the owner is a world class douchebag. So pretty much nothing new here


You're right, he's a world class douchebag:

Except you apparently didn't know this

or

this either, the end result.

Maybe they'd be able to save some money if they'd stop giving my farking wife a free pizza every two weeks.
 
2012-11-11 12:39:57 PM

FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if you're a retail business, why the f*ck would you risk alienating HALF of your customers by making political statements?

i don't like boycotts, but i will not eat a papa john's pizza now (not that i did before, but still...), i won't eat at applebees, and i won't eat at chick-fil-a. had they just kept their damned mouths shut, i would't care, normally. but they made me care. and a whole lot of other pissed-off people, i'm guessing.


According to my conservative friends, who are all relatively young (which makes said statement even dumber), conservatives always have more money so when these companies "alienate" the libruls, the conservatives will just take over from there and spend DOUBLE because all liberals are poor bums and the right wing can not only keep these businesses up, but they can help them thrive. This was a status on my FB today :

The sad part is that liberals boycotting any business will only cause them to make money because conservatives will spend more in response than any of those liberals make. Papa John's is the only pizza I'll buy now. +1 for free enterprise and wise business decisions.
 
2012-11-11 01:01:57 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Peter von Nostrand: Their pizza sucks and the owner is a world class douchebag. So pretty much nothing new here

You're right, he's a world class douchebag:

Except you apparently didn't know this


So he loves the police. That's normal for Republicans and in line with the accusation that he's a world class douchebag.
 
2012-11-11 01:03:49 PM

Sgt Otter: If I want a good pizza, I'll order from a local place, run by someone (usually an actual Italian-American) who actually cares.
If I want something decent and affordable, I'd order Domino's or Pizza Hut.
If I need a shiatload of cheap, barely edible pizza for a party, I'll get Little Caesar's.

I really don't see where Papa John's fits in.


Papa Johns is the "Lexus" or "Bose" of the pizza industry. Their excellent marketing has fooled people into thinking they're getting quality for the extra money.
 
2012-11-11 02:28:19 PM
It's a sound business decision but publicly announcing it is stupid. Great way to piss off half your customers, dude.

Expect alot more of this, but most will be smart enough to keep it off the radar.
 
2012-11-11 03:00:53 PM
I hope that people stop getting pizza from this guy over this. He has admitted that the extra cost is only 15 cents, for every $10 pizza. If they stopped putting in those peppers, that would even out the cost of offering healthcare coverage for their eligible employers.
 
2012-11-11 04:39:23 PM

FirstNationalBastard:
Seriously, a quarter per pizza?

No one is going to biatch about paying a quarter more for their pizza. A Quarter is nearly worthless these days, anyway.


People tip their drivers $5 or so anyway, a quarter per pizza would be ignored.
 
2012-11-11 04:49:36 PM
My initial reaction to the 11-14 cents comment was 'ok, so raise the price and shut up'. But then I thought more and I realized that his statement would never have been made if it was truly business-related. But it's 100% politics and you know why? He's a 0.1%er, that's why. He doesn't give a flying F about Obamacare...it's the tax rates that are going to wallop his douchiness.

I would like to add that i never took Fark users to be such a haughty group who would disparage any pizza that is available in more than two cities in the country. The major chain pizzas did not become major by producing garbage. Their pizza is fine...pretty much ALL pizza is fine. Not every community has an immigrant family hand-kneading dough and fire-grilling their pizzas.

I'm so sorry for actually enjoying the new recipe Dominos pizzas (hated the old), Papa Johns and Hungry Howies. I do have a decent local chain but they don't deliver and the pizza is cold by the time I get home. I am not interested in driving across town with a 6 month old and 2 year old to eat pizza.
 
2012-11-11 05:12:34 PM

Mister Peejay: FirstNationalBastard:
Seriously, a quarter per pizza?

No one is going to biatch about paying a quarter more for their pizza. A Quarter is nearly worthless these days, anyway.

People tip their drivers $5 or so anyway, a quarter per pizza would be ignored.


Very true, I tend to tip drivers heavy to begin with anyway. You'll get your pizza quicker and the kitchen is much more willing to do special orders for you.
 
2012-11-11 06:42:13 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Glockenspiel Hero: Is there a reason pizza chain CEOs are such colossal douchebags? I understand that most CEOs don't align with the (D)s, but seriously

-Papa John Nutter will cut the hours of his employees rather than raise the cost of a pizza by $0.14 because of OBAMAEVILSOCULISMS
-Tom Monaghan has poured millions into pro-life and anti-gay programs, and is busy building a law "school" devoted to christian dominionism.
-We all got to hear plenty from Herman Cain

Is there something in the cheese?

They all have delusions of rulership: first you get the pizza, then you get the power. Like a bunch of little Caesars.


Little Ceasars actually, from what I've seen, is pretty good with their franchise owners. Story in Fast Food Nation, plus three kids I went to high school who worked at a corporate owned joint ended up buying it... they still own it and run it, last time I checked, a good decade from when they started working there.

F--k Papa John's, though. Laid off my ex after he got manager status and some raises... which apparently I've learned is the norm there. Lovely.

That Papa John's closed, though. Sucks to be them.

/have an awesome local joint with a $7 pick up special, plus for every 10 pizzas we get we get one free
//adds up quick when we host a coworker gathering at the house every other month or so
///the (young-ish) guys who own it weren't that happy with Obama, but some of the looming hits they were complaining about were actually thanks to our Republican legislature... and even then, they weren't voting for Romney and sure as f--k weren't getting rid of employees. They have a really good reputation and actually need those employees to operate...
 
2012-11-11 06:57:32 PM

cryinoutloud: OH FFS. Not this horseshiat again. I have worked in many restaurants, in many states, in several different capacities. I never worked anywhere close to "full-time." Restaurant workers are scheduled for about 25-30 hours a week. The bosses want to make damn sure that no one collects overtime, and there's always some reason why you have to stay later or come in earlier--doofuses who come in at 10:45 when the place closes at 11, special parties, people get "sick" a lot. Since you're on a clock, the employees know to the minute how long they've worked, and the bosses go to quite a bit of trouble to make sure that no one collects overtime.

What kind of fantasy land do some people live in that they think restaurant workers actually get 40 hours a week? Yeah good luck with that.


My aunt has worked multiple decades at a family run restaurant. She gets benefits and almost a month off for vacation each year. And this is a place where you can have a full meal, including tip, for under $10. The SO picked up a seasonal job doing pastry prep at a local business that gives medical and dental to any staff that works more than 30 hours a week (employee contributes some). They have a restaurant and a deli and the employees there get the same deal.

Both of those places are doing *quite* well despite treating their employees pretty damn well. Yeah, there's always restaurants that short people on hours for those reasons, but from what I've seen from friends who've worked the restaurant scene here everyone pushes to get into the places that don't do that... so those places have their pick of talented, reliable help, and oddly enough those places are also the ones that seem to have the biggest potential for staying power. Almost all of the shops I've seen close up here in the past decade were ones that treated their employees (and the hours they gave them) like crap. Maybe that was a symptom of an underlying financial panic, but that's how it went... with the exception of one or two family run joints.

I don't expect anyone who works at a corporate run throwing a hissy fit over .14 cents per pie place to get to 40 a week though.
 
2012-11-11 07:04:08 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Your Average Witty Fark User: Peter von Nostrand: Their pizza sucks and the owner is a world class douchebag. So pretty much nothing new here

You're right, he's a world class douchebag:

Except you apparently didn't know this

So he loves the police. That's normal for Republicans and in line with the accusation that he's a world class douchebag.


I hate cops and Republicans too. It was still a nice thing to do.
 
2012-11-11 08:07:24 PM
Exploitative business models fail when they cannot exploit their workforce anymore. Its like a gardening service that hires illegals but whines it will go out of business if they have to pay a living wage. Well, if you had built your business on a ethical, sustainable model then you wouldn't be in this mess now would you?
 
2012-11-11 10:24:40 PM
Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.
 
2012-11-11 10:36:40 PM

garron: Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.


First, define socialism and how Obama's polices are socialist.

Then answer how nearly 1st world nation on this planet has some form socialize medicine and yet you think its somehow horrible.

If you can't do both, please shut up.
 
2012-11-11 11:41:19 PM
My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Our nation has "some form socialize medicine" to quote your words exactly. Nobody is turned away that needs emergency medical attention, including illegal immigrants.

I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.

But my original comment was not directed at Obamacare, It was directed at all the posts of the people who have never run a company and yet they complain that the owner of a pizza business is evil because he has to make a financial decision between spending money on people's jobs and new costs forced on him by the government.

All they know is they want a free handout and evil pizza guy is not going to play along.

So - tell me your qualifications. Have you ever run a business or even served as an accountant? You know - something that makes you an expert on why pizza guy is so evil that he won't give you the money he earned?

Or do you believe money grows on big fairy trees and life is unfair because one just wasn't planted in your yard?
 
2012-11-12 12:23:49 AM

garron: Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.


Yes. qFT.
 
2012-11-12 01:37:06 AM

garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.


Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.
 
2012-11-12 02:27:16 AM

garron: I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.


The same people... you mean Republicans? Because I seem to remember that the postal service was doing just fine before a certain Republican-led Congress passed a law forcing them to pre-fund pensions for employees who haven't even been born yet.
 
2012-11-12 04:44:26 AM

nmemkha: garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.


I love how you guys whip out the word "troll" and your message board laws when you come up against simple, logical arguments. CNN is running a front page story today titled "Obama: Bring me tax hike for wealthy" and its all about his need to take more and more from the "rich" because they just make too darn much and that's just not fair.

Once he gets his law, he gets his spear and his wealth redistribution. Its not hyperbole. Actually, its very simple to demonstrate. I'll add a smiley face if that makes you feel better. : )

Don't worry about my pesky logic and facts. You have a smiley face now.
 
2012-11-12 04:59:11 AM
I've know John since we were kids. He's actually a very bright guy and has a lot of bright people working for him. I'm sure most of them are, in fact, quite aware that people like 90% of the commenters here will take whatever kneejerk political perspective drives them and completely ignore the context of his rather mundane commments to the investment community, twist them into something 180 degrees from their actual intent, and then pretty much go on with their consumer habits as if nothing happened. He won't lose a cent from his comments.

What's truly stupid is that people can't read an article and make out the most salient point. He was talking about franchisees over whose payroll he has zero control. Somehow I thought a higher number of farkers were smarter than that.
 
2012-11-12 05:14:10 AM

Spartan_Manhandler: garron: I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.

The same people... you mean Republicans? Because I seem to remember that the postal service was doing just fine before a certain Republican-led Congress passed a law forcing them to pre-fund pensions for employees who haven't even been born yet.


Regardless of whether that is the true problem for the Postal Service, you are proving my point. Its foolish to put a bureaucracy in charge of our health care system that is not answerable to any authority for its failures and has no incentive for innovation and efficiency that usually comes from the penalties and rewards of the free market.

That is what caused the organizations I listed to fail so miserably.

Government should be in the job of making rules at the will of the people and then getting out of the way of businesses and free individuals to let them succeed or fail on their own. The government's job should only be to act as the referee and enforcer of those rules when needed. It is not their job to run companies, health care systems or even postal systems.

It would be like the NFL making a football league, setting up the rules and putting the refs on the field like they do now, but then putting a few of their own teams against the privately owned teams. They can't be expected to be unbiased toward their own teams if, as owners, they truly want them to win. And then you add the fun socialism part - where they take points or even wins away from the teams that earned wins and redistributed them to their own teams or to the other teams that didn't do so well because its just not fair. Who would want to own a private team in that league, and if they did, why they heck would they want to even strive for excellence?

That is why socialism and communism have failed so miserably throughout history. That is also why today's capitalism is failing. Corporations own the rule makers. That's just as corrupt and its driving the maddening pendulum swing too far into socialist thinking by so many people.
 
2012-11-12 09:45:36 AM

St_Francis_P: ToxicMunkee: Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.

That's Obama's cunning strategy: patriotic conservative companies will protest his War on Capitalism and go out of business, while communist socialistic companies will thrive by serving the unfilled market. There has never been a bigger threat to free enterprise.


data.whicdn.com
Well done.
 
2012-11-12 09:47:12 AM
Scapegoat for shiatty business practices, we has it.
 
2012-11-12 09:50:18 AM
i.imgur.com

The child community frowns on your getting government involved in the private sector shenanigans.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:57 AM

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.


It's a huffington post article so they got the story wrong. Try a real news site like Fox if you want the details.

They're going to hire workers to 29 hours a week, because you have to have 50 workers who get 30 hours or more a week to "count" under Obamacare.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:21 AM

edmo: He's going to cut those people over 14 cents a pizza?


Do you have any idea how many pizzas they sell a day?
 
2012-11-12 11:14:01 AM

Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter

Net worth $240 million


Nice try idiot.
 
2012-11-12 11:17:21 AM

FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if you're a retail business, why the f*ck would you risk alienating HALF of your customers by making political statements?

i don't like boycotts, but i will not eat a papa john's pizza now (not that i did before, but still...), i won't eat at applebees, and i won't eat at chick-fil-a. had they just kept their damned mouths shut, i would't care, normally. but they made me care. and a whole lot of other pissed-off people, i'm guessing.


Because you'd gain half your competitors customers who agree with you?

Unless you think PapaJohns has over 50% market share, your assumptions are wrong.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:54 AM

Dog Welder: So, this guy could have given all of his employees affordable health care at the low cost of $0.12 per pizza and didn't?

What a dick.


No, you could have given them health care for $0.12 a pizza, if you were willing to pay more.


And the people who tend to buy papa johns pizza are low income people who supposedly are so poor that they need free health care... which means they could actually afford it all a long, but chose not to buy it.
 
2012-11-12 11:20:43 AM

garron: nmemkha: garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.

I love how you guys whip out the word "troll" and your message board laws when you come up against simple, logical arguments. CNN is running a front page story today titled "Obama: Bring me tax hike for wealthy" and its all about his need to take more and more from the "rich" because they just make too darn much and that's just not fair.

Once he gets his law, he gets his spear and his wealth redistribution. Its not hyperbole. Actually, its very simple to demonstrate. I'll add a smiley face if that makes you feel better. : )

Don't worry about my pesky logic and facts. You have a smiley face now.


Troll. No one is this clueless.
 
2012-11-12 12:09:41 PM
i hate to say this but his business is not alone. My father is a very senior citizen who needs to work to pay for his medicines despite the fact that he was a union man for almost forty years and has a great pension.
His employer, 7 11 implied that if Obama won they would cut every part timers hours. They have done just that. Wal-Mart is doing the same thing as well.mandating that 24 hours be declared full time isn't going to help either, companies will just cut to 23 hours.

There are two immutable rules of the universe.The first is. According to their owners, NO business ever makes money and the second is No team EVER has enough pitching.
 
2012-11-12 01:34:23 PM

Bullseyed: Try a real news site like Fox if you want the details.


Oh. My. GAWD.

i.chzbgr.com

/I know, I know, don't feed the troll...
 
2012-11-12 04:59:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.


Have one in town. Good stuff, but VERY filling. Prices are competitive for what you get. I like it for special occasions. I can make one of their stuffed crusts last for four days.

I've heard of a couple places in the bush that do take-and-bake delivery by plane. Can't fly a hot pizza out there fast enough.
 
2012-11-12 07:49:04 PM

Bullseyed: Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter

Net worth $240 million


Nice try idiot.


Ah. Nice Wiki you have there. Did you do it yourself?
 
2012-11-12 09:48:35 PM

garron: Regardless of whether that is the true problem for the Postal Service, you are proving my point. Its foolish to put a bureaucracy in charge of our health care system that is not answerable to any authority for its failures and has no incentive for innovation and efficiency that usually comes from the penalties and rewards of the free market.


The healthcare industry, and specifically the health INSURANCE industry, has already proved quite well that it is no better than a government-run program. Health insurance providers answer to nobody, and have colluded with each other and healthcare providers to lock up the market.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:53 AM
At least now I know to never touch, taste or smell a Papa John's pizza again.

For 30 years we've had a perfectly good Greek pizza place in town. They make good grinders, too.
 
2012-11-13 12:40:51 PM
It's like eating a hot circle of garbage. 

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
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