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(Huffington Post)   Papa John's to cut employee hours due to Obamacare. No word on if they also plan to cut the number of free pizzas Peyton Manning is forcing them to give away   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 227
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2012-11-11 07:04:08 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Your Average Witty Fark User: Peter von Nostrand: Their pizza sucks and the owner is a world class douchebag. So pretty much nothing new here

You're right, he's a world class douchebag:

Except you apparently didn't know this

So he loves the police. That's normal for Republicans and in line with the accusation that he's a world class douchebag.


I hate cops and Republicans too. It was still a nice thing to do.
 
2012-11-11 08:07:24 PM  
Exploitative business models fail when they cannot exploit their workforce anymore. Its like a gardening service that hires illegals but whines it will go out of business if they have to pay a living wage. Well, if you had built your business on a ethical, sustainable model then you wouldn't be in this mess now would you?
 
2012-11-11 10:24:40 PM  
Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.
 
2012-11-11 10:36:40 PM  

garron: Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.


First, define socialism and how Obama's polices are socialist.

Then answer how nearly 1st world nation on this planet has some form socialize medicine and yet you think its somehow horrible.

If you can't do both, please shut up.
 
2012-11-11 11:41:19 PM  
My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Our nation has "some form socialize medicine" to quote your words exactly. Nobody is turned away that needs emergency medical attention, including illegal immigrants.

I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.

But my original comment was not directed at Obamacare, It was directed at all the posts of the people who have never run a company and yet they complain that the owner of a pizza business is evil because he has to make a financial decision between spending money on people's jobs and new costs forced on him by the government.

All they know is they want a free handout and evil pizza guy is not going to play along.

So - tell me your qualifications. Have you ever run a business or even served as an accountant? You know - something that makes you an expert on why pizza guy is so evil that he won't give you the money he earned?

Or do you believe money grows on big fairy trees and life is unfair because one just wasn't planted in your yard?
 
2012-11-12 12:23:49 AM  

garron: Please note - when Hugo Chavez ran his country into the ground and the businesses started going bankrupt - it was the same as this thread - ignorant people and ignorant socialist politicians blamed the business owners for being selfish and holding out on the people with their hands out. You know - people like you who did nothing to earn the money they were taking from the businesses.

Socialism is a mental disorder.


Yes. qFT.
 
2012-11-12 01:37:06 AM  

garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.


Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.
 
2012-11-12 02:27:16 AM  

garron: I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.


The same people... you mean Republicans? Because I seem to remember that the postal service was doing just fine before a certain Republican-led Congress passed a law forcing them to pre-fund pensions for employees who haven't even been born yet.
 
2012-11-12 04:44:26 AM  

nmemkha: garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.


I love how you guys whip out the word "troll" and your message board laws when you come up against simple, logical arguments. CNN is running a front page story today titled "Obama: Bring me tax hike for wealthy" and its all about his need to take more and more from the "rich" because they just make too darn much and that's just not fair.

Once he gets his law, he gets his spear and his wealth redistribution. Its not hyperbole. Actually, its very simple to demonstrate. I'll add a smiley face if that makes you feel better. : )

Don't worry about my pesky logic and facts. You have a smiley face now.
 
2012-11-12 04:59:11 AM  
I've know John since we were kids. He's actually a very bright guy and has a lot of bright people working for him. I'm sure most of them are, in fact, quite aware that people like 90% of the commenters here will take whatever kneejerk political perspective drives them and completely ignore the context of his rather mundane commments to the investment community, twist them into something 180 degrees from their actual intent, and then pretty much go on with their consumer habits as if nothing happened. He won't lose a cent from his comments.

What's truly stupid is that people can't read an article and make out the most salient point. He was talking about franchisees over whose payroll he has zero control. Somehow I thought a higher number of farkers were smarter than that.
 
2012-11-12 05:14:10 AM  

Spartan_Manhandler: garron: I think putting medical care into the hands of the same people who have demonstrated that they cannot successfully run medicare, social security, fannie mae, freddie mac, the postal service and the DMV is incredibly ignorant and will lead to "horrible" consequences.

The same people... you mean Republicans? Because I seem to remember that the postal service was doing just fine before a certain Republican-led Congress passed a law forcing them to pre-fund pensions for employees who haven't even been born yet.


Regardless of whether that is the true problem for the Postal Service, you are proving my point. Its foolish to put a bureaucracy in charge of our health care system that is not answerable to any authority for its failures and has no incentive for innovation and efficiency that usually comes from the penalties and rewards of the free market.

That is what caused the organizations I listed to fail so miserably.

Government should be in the job of making rules at the will of the people and then getting out of the way of businesses and free individuals to let them succeed or fail on their own. The government's job should only be to act as the referee and enforcer of those rules when needed. It is not their job to run companies, health care systems or even postal systems.

It would be like the NFL making a football league, setting up the rules and putting the refs on the field like they do now, but then putting a few of their own teams against the privately owned teams. They can't be expected to be unbiased toward their own teams if, as owners, they truly want them to win. And then you add the fun socialism part - where they take points or even wins away from the teams that earned wins and redistributed them to their own teams or to the other teams that didn't do so well because its just not fair. Who would want to own a private team in that league, and if they did, why they heck would they want to even strive for excellence?

That is why socialism and communism have failed so miserably throughout history. That is also why today's capitalism is failing. Corporations own the rule makers. That's just as corrupt and its driving the maddening pendulum swing too far into socialist thinking by so many people.
 
2012-11-12 09:45:36 AM  

St_Francis_P: ToxicMunkee: Adapt or die.

These companies can go ahead and shoot themselves in both feet and fall into a bear trap. Other companies will step in to take their place.

That's Obama's cunning strategy: patriotic conservative companies will protest his War on Capitalism and go out of business, while communist socialistic companies will thrive by serving the unfilled market. There has never been a bigger threat to free enterprise.


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Well done.
 
2012-11-12 09:47:12 AM  
Scapegoat for shiatty business practices, we has it.
 
2012-11-12 09:50:18 AM  
i.imgur.com

The child community frowns on your getting government involved in the private sector shenanigans.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:57 AM  

log_jammin: including Applebee's which has said it won't hire new workers because of the law.

yeah that makes sense.

"Bob didn't show up for work and we need a fry cook. also tony is sick and out for a week plus our head waitress is 8 months pregnant and will be gone soon. should we hire more workers?"

"NO!!!!"

"but who's going to..."

"I SAID NO! OBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACAREOBAMACARE!!!"


These are the stupidest publicity stunts ever.


It's a huffington post article so they got the story wrong. Try a real news site like Fox if you want the details.

They're going to hire workers to 29 hours a week, because you have to have 50 workers who get 30 hours or more a week to "count" under Obamacare.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:21 AM  

edmo: He's going to cut those people over 14 cents a pizza?


Do you have any idea how many pizzas they sell a day?
 
2012-11-12 11:14:01 AM  

Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter

Net worth $240 million


Nice try idiot.
 
2012-11-12 11:17:21 AM  

FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if you're a retail business, why the f*ck would you risk alienating HALF of your customers by making political statements?

i don't like boycotts, but i will not eat a papa john's pizza now (not that i did before, but still...), i won't eat at applebees, and i won't eat at chick-fil-a. had they just kept their damned mouths shut, i would't care, normally. but they made me care. and a whole lot of other pissed-off people, i'm guessing.


Because you'd gain half your competitors customers who agree with you?

Unless you think PapaJohns has over 50% market share, your assumptions are wrong.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:54 AM  

Dog Welder: So, this guy could have given all of his employees affordable health care at the low cost of $0.12 per pizza and didn't?

What a dick.


No, you could have given them health care for $0.12 a pizza, if you were willing to pay more.


And the people who tend to buy papa johns pizza are low income people who supposedly are so poor that they need free health care... which means they could actually afford it all a long, but chose not to buy it.
 
2012-11-12 11:20:43 AM  

garron: nmemkha: garron: My definition of socialism won't satisfy you regardless of what I say.

Obama's policies are driven by wealth redistribution at the point of the government's spear.

Again more unfounded unsupportable hyperbole. You are most likely a troll, but Poe's Law and all.

I love how you guys whip out the word "troll" and your message board laws when you come up against simple, logical arguments. CNN is running a front page story today titled "Obama: Bring me tax hike for wealthy" and its all about his need to take more and more from the "rich" because they just make too darn much and that's just not fair.

Once he gets his law, he gets his spear and his wealth redistribution. Its not hyperbole. Actually, its very simple to demonstrate. I'll add a smiley face if that makes you feel better. : )

Don't worry about my pesky logic and facts. You have a smiley face now.


Troll. No one is this clueless.
 
2012-11-12 12:09:41 PM  
i hate to say this but his business is not alone. My father is a very senior citizen who needs to work to pay for his medicines despite the fact that he was a union man for almost forty years and has a great pension.
His employer, 7 11 implied that if Obama won they would cut every part timers hours. They have done just that. Wal-Mart is doing the same thing as well.mandating that 24 hours be declared full time isn't going to help either, companies will just cut to 23 hours.

There are two immutable rules of the universe.The first is. According to their owners, NO business ever makes money and the second is No team EVER has enough pitching.
 
2012-11-12 01:34:23 PM  

Bullseyed: Try a real news site like Fox if you want the details.


Oh. My. GAWD.

i.chzbgr.com

/I know, I know, don't feed the troll...
 
2012-11-12 04:59:10 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Opinions on Papa Murphy's Take N Bake Pizza? Zagat's # 1 Chain Pizza for the past three years. FWIW

Novel business plan: customers get their pizzas raw and bake 'em themselves. Saves store space and operating costs, lowers price. Hotter, fresher pizza. Since it's unheated food, you can buy it with food stamps. 

Never had it, just wondering if anyone has tried it.


Have one in town. Good stuff, but VERY filling. Prices are competitive for what you get. I like it for special occasions. I can make one of their stuffed crusts last for four days.

I've heard of a couple places in the bush that do take-and-bake delivery by plane. Can't fly a hot pizza out there fast enough.
 
2012-11-12 07:49:04 PM  

Bullseyed: Bontesla: We've stopped buying their pizza after Papa John held a fundraiser for Romney.

John is a billionaire. It's much better that he squeeze every penny of profit than to offer health care to his employeesm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter

Net worth $240 million


Nice try idiot.


Ah. Nice Wiki you have there. Did you do it yourself?
 
2012-11-12 09:48:35 PM  

garron: Regardless of whether that is the true problem for the Postal Service, you are proving my point. Its foolish to put a bureaucracy in charge of our health care system that is not answerable to any authority for its failures and has no incentive for innovation and efficiency that usually comes from the penalties and rewards of the free market.


The healthcare industry, and specifically the health INSURANCE industry, has already proved quite well that it is no better than a government-run program. Health insurance providers answer to nobody, and have colluded with each other and healthcare providers to lock up the market.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:53 AM  
At least now I know to never touch, taste or smell a Papa John's pizza again.

For 30 years we've had a perfectly good Greek pizza place in town. They make good grinders, too.
 
2012-11-13 12:40:51 PM  
It's like eating a hot circle of garbage. 

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