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(Telegraph)   There is a woman currently living in Chernobyl's toxic wasteland happily munching on a fist-sized hunk of raw pig fat. "Today I command the parade"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 67
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2012-11-10 11:58:33 AM  

publikenemy: FormlessOne: publikenemy: bingo the psych-o: publikenemy: These are some strong women. Talk about boot-strappy..we can sure use some of these people with self-reliant attitudes like this in America.

If by "self-reliant" you mean "casual disregard for radiation and no common sense" then they may be just what the GOP is looking for. America however, not so much.

No, I mean strong. I guess it was wrong to tout the benefits of being strong and self reliant? Jeez everyone is always looking for a fight around here

No, you said "boot-strappy," the teabagger dogwhistle. We know what you meant, and it's silly.

The best part of your quote is that we have quite a few folks like this here in America already. You just don't like them, what with their need for social supports, their obstructionist ways when it comes time for the rich to take their land, and the appalling frequency with which they keel over due to pollution, sickness, and other environmental issues.

The Appalachians are full of folks like this, trying to survive amidst decades of air, soil, and water pollution. Go chat them up, and tell them how "boot-strappy" you think they are, and see how amusing you find that dogwhistle then.

Ya, shove the strawman up your ass. It is NOT what I mean, but as always on Fark, people want to fight. If WW2 were to happen in our lifetime, do you really believe that young men aged 18 and up would put away their video war games and sign up in droves to fight in a real war? To die for their country? You know dam well it wouldnt happen.

We are weak..we are ripe for the picking. We are lazy and entitled. You will never change my mind on that fact...so now go call me names, since actual dialogue always escapes people on Fark when they feel an actual truth seeping into their closed mindset. Names and insults to someone you don't even know. Someone who I guarantee is more charitable than you'll ever be. Someone who actually HELPS homeless people, rather than telling others how they ...


Sandow, is that you?
 
2012-11-10 11:58:35 AM  

publikenemy: hasty ambush: publikenemy: These are some strong women. Talk about boot-strappy..we can sure use some of these people with self-reliant attitudes like this in America.

You sound like a racist sexist, homophobe and tax payer.


Wow LULZ...you sound angry. Wasn't aware my short statement could light a fuse like that....lay off the coffee?


Read it again. Pay attention to the last part.
 
2012-11-10 12:04:20 PM  
Radiation will kill you but it takes a long time.

Old people can stand a much higher dose than young people can. In this case, people are better off doing for themselves than trusting the government to do for them. Things always go better when the bureaucrats get out from underfoot.

Definite lesson the old USSR can teach the new USSA.
 
2012-11-10 12:27:44 PM  

publikenemy: bingo the psych-o: publikenemy: These are some strong women. Talk about boot-strappy..we can sure use some of these people with self-reliant attitudes like this in America.

If by "self-reliant" you mean "casual disregard for radiation and no common sense" then they may be just what the GOP is looking for. America however, not so much.

No, I mean strong. I guess it was wrong to tout the benefits of being strong and self reliant? Jeez everyone is always looking for a fight around here


Maybe it's because most people have you Farkied as "silly troll", like I do.
 
2012-11-10 12:27:45 PM  
As one very dear Russian friend said to me a few weeks ago with tears in her eyes "Why in hell was I ever born here."

Hospital doctor, 20 years, monthly salary $390.

Supports herself, a daughter and 2 grandaughters.

You bet that babushka is plenty tough.
 
2012-11-10 12:33:12 PM  

ModernLuddite: The comments section is gold:

"Rod Adams
Today 04:32 AM
This article is full of unjustified assumptions and conflicting observations. If the women are healthy and the wildlife is teeming, just how "toxic" can the land be?"

THE DUMBEST MAN IN THE WORLD, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!


and his genius friend backs him!

sidray
Today 09:26 AM
Rod, you and I both know that the radiation was down to safe levels within months after the accident. Radiation is a VERY dangerous thing, but it also has a relatively short half-life. People rarely listen ot the truth of a thing, only the perception.
 
2012-11-10 12:48:32 PM  

oeneus: I visited Chernobyl last month. We had two geiger counters with us. We saw several of these babushkas while we were there. It's not a "wasteland". The village of Chernobyl itself has normal radiation levels and we had lunch there. In fact, the only place radiation levels were elevated at all were within site of the reactor and even those levels weren't dangerous. According to the security engineer that was with us (he was owner of one of the geiger counters and part of our group and not associated with the Chernobyl site) we didn't reach levels above what is allowed for an x-ray tech all day. It's not really dangerous there anymore. By the way, our guide for the day also lived in Chernobyl but he was one of the official residents allowed by the government rather than a squatter like those in the article.

This is the pic I took of the reactor. Tourism is a growing industry at Chernobyl.


The reactor itself isn't the "source" of the radiation, it spread out isotopes over a wide area, those isotopes are the sources now. There are some large spots on the ground where it's very "hot", most of them known.
But you're right, it's not inherently deadly, not right away.
The government continued to operate 3 other reactors AT THE SITE for a long time. Workers just avoided the exploded reactor. They also didn't live in the area, only worked there.

Part of the reason for abandonment is the region was dead poor and only sparsely populated. The town was a working town pretty much exclusively for the reactor workers and their families, without the reactor, it would probably have been abandoned even if there was no radiation leak. Basically this area was never very profitable from the govt's viewpoint, so once it got trashed they boxed the whole thing up as an exclusion zone.

No, the scary part is that "sarcophagus" is in bad shape. I mean it was hardly constructed to any sort of major engineering standard. It lacks a proper foundation, and was hacked together in a real hurry by people who basically chucked steel and concrete at it and ran.

The concrete and steel is decaying due to the heat, moisture, and radioactivity. Basically crumbling, and could literally fall apart at any time. We don't KNOW that much about it and the stresses in the structure. It could shift and split in two or a side might slough off.

There's just a phenomenally massive reservoir of isotopes in there which COULD escape, with little warning. They're still working hard to figure out what would happen, if it's capable of burning or steaming out debris over a wide area or not, as opposed to just pouring out radioactive solids onto the pavement.
 
2012-11-10 12:50:08 PM  

publikenemy: hasty ambush: publikenemy: These are some strong women. Talk about boot-strappy..we can sure use some of these people with self-reliant attitudes like this in America.

You sound like a racist sexist, homophobe and tax payer.


Wow LULZ...you sound angry. Wasn't aware my short statement could light a fuse like that....lay off the coffee?


You really need to check the batteries on your sarcasm detector. When's the last time you replaced them? =P
 
2012-11-10 12:51:16 PM  

theorellior:

Maybe it's because most people have you Farkied as "silly troll", like I do.



Ahh..ok then, no worries. Ya, it's hard to be one of the 5 or 6 people here on Fark who sometimes may offer a dissenting view, or play devils advocate. But goddam the world (and Fark) would be a boring place if everyone had to drink the same kool-aid...no?
 
2012-11-10 01:02:42 PM  
FTA: "I wish I had a husband to quarrel with!"

As someone whose most recent ex is Ukrainian, I'm getting a kick.

I commiserated with some Ukrainian men, who were friends of hers, and that seems to be a major role of boyfriends/husbands in that culture. A beautiful strong woman, but stubborn and, man, did she love to argue and drink--not always in that order.

/is Irish
//gasoline and flame
 
2012-11-10 01:19:31 PM  

FormlessOne: publikenemy: bingo the psych-o: publikenemy: These are some strong women. Talk about boot-strappy..we can sure use some of these people with self-reliant attitudes like this in America.

If by "self-reliant" you mean "casual disregard for radiation and no common sense" then they may be just what the GOP is looking for. America however, not so much.

No, I mean strong. I guess it was wrong to tout the benefits of being strong and self reliant? Jeez everyone is always looking for a fight around here

No, you said "boot-strappy," the teabagger dogwhistle. We know what you meant, and it's silly.

The best part of your quote is that we have quite a few folks like this here in America already. You just don't like them, what with their need for social supports, their obstructionist ways when it comes time for the rich to take their land, and the appalling frequency with which they keel over due to pollution, sickness, and other environmental issues.

The Appalachians are full of folks like this, trying to survive amidst decades of air, soil, and water pollution. Go chat them up, and tell them how "boot-strappy" you think they are, and see how amusing you find that dogwhistle then.


Wow, you people can turn ANYTHING into a troll-fest, huh? Sucks to be that angry. Your monthly check come late or something?

//bootstrappy. I like.
///bite me

I really came here to say great article and hoped for some interesting remarks, but as usual the 4 channers ruin everything.
 
2012-11-10 01:20:47 PM  

SundaesChild: The part about the woman who was nearly eaten as an infant troubled me. Could you pick one of your own children to die so you could feed the rest of them? And imagine saying to one of the survivors, "When you were a baby we were going to kill and eat you but we decided we would sacrifice your little brother instead."


Ugh, yeah, it was almost just skimmed over for such a horrific thing to have to had endured. Don't know if I want to learn more about that or not.
 
2012-11-10 01:26:05 PM  

oeneus: I visited Chernobyl last month. We had two geiger counters with us. We saw several of these babushkas while we were there. It's not a "wasteland". The village of Chernobyl itself has normal radiation levels and we had lunch there. In fact, the only place radiation levels were elevated at all were within site of the reactor and even those levels weren't dangerous. According to the security engineer that was with us (he was owner of one of the geiger counters and part of our group and not associated with the Chernobyl site) we didn't reach levels above what is allowed for an x-ray tech all day. It's not really dangerous there anymore. By the way, our guide for the day also lived in Chernobyl but he was one of the official residents allowed by the government rather than a squatter like those in the article.

This is the pic I took of the reactor. Tourism is a growing industry at Chernobyl.

[oeneus.farkpics.com image 448x298]


Thanks for sharing. Interesting. You have a site or something with more pics/stories from your trip?
 
2012-11-10 07:11:08 PM  

publikenemy: Ahh..ok then, no worries. Ya, it's hard to be one of the 5 or 6 people here on Fark who sometimes may offer a dissenting view, or play devils advocate. But goddam the world (and Fark) would be a boring place if everyone had to drink the same kool-aid...no?


I don't use "silly troll" for people who are being teabaggery or derpy. I use it for people who are acting stupid or goofy, no political bent intended. Perhaps you've updated your Internet persona since then? You don't seem so goofy in this thread.
 
2012-11-10 09:30:18 PM  

publikenemy: If WW2 were to happen in our lifetime, do you really believe that young men aged 18 and up would put away their video war games and sign up in droves to fight in a real war?


You mean like the tens of thousands that signed up after September 11th? You must remember that the "greatest generation" went to war because it was the only source of employment at the time. If you wanted money to buy food or shoes you joined up. Think about how stupid most grandparents are, they were religious brain washed tards that did whatever the government wanted as long as they were well fed. And a modern war wouldn't require as much manpower as WWII. Technology has progressed a lot since then.
 
2012-11-10 10:49:22 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Russian history is a study in post-traumatic stress and its repercussions.


... and then believing the next Tsar will be better than the previous 523.
 
2012-11-12 08:26:05 PM  

Bomb Mecca: publikenemy: If WW2 were to happen in our lifetime, do you really believe that young men aged 18 and up would put away their video war games and sign up in droves to fight in a real war?

You mean like the tens of thousands that signed up after September 11th? You must remember that the "greatest generation" went to war because it was the only source of employment at the time. If you wanted money to buy food or shoes you joined up. Think about how stupid most grandparents are, they were religious brain washed tards that did whatever the government wanted as long as they were well fed. And a modern war wouldn't require as much manpower as WWII. Technology has progressed a lot since then.


Are we speaking of WWII here? The money was not in being a fighter.

And if so there is that little place called Pearl Harbor. Remember that? The one the Germans bombed? 

Yep. It is them.
 
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