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2012-11-09 05:13:25 PM  
Good. I hope their revenues from it skyrocket and other states begin to hop on the gravy train and follow suit.
 
2012-11-09 05:30:10 PM  
Yes, I think a road trip is definitely called for once things quiet down.
 
2012-11-09 05:39:45 PM  
My family is already planning to move the the bi-annual family vacation to an alternating local of CO and WA , switching from AL and HI.
 
2012-11-09 05:44:49 PM  

PapaChester: My family is already planning to move the the bi-annual family vacation to an alternating local of CO and WA , switching from AL and HI.


That's cool about the switch, but what the hell made your family decide to originally have alternate vacations between Hawaii (a damn near paradise), and Alabama (a Deliverance paradise)?
 
2012-11-09 05:49:07 PM  
If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-09 05:53:04 PM  
other states begin to hop on the gravy train

There is no gravy train. Pot tourism only works when "legal" pot is rare. Divide number of stoners willing to travel by number of states where they can smoke.

Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.
 
2012-11-09 06:11:54 PM  

ZAZ: Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.


They work good, thanks to the aging population. For whatever reason, once someone turns 60 they get addicted to nickle slots. You just need to give it a few more years for the aging population to catch up to the new casinos being built.

(Of course they'll all have to shut down once the boomers die off)
 
2012-11-09 06:14:06 PM  
TSA checkpoints in those state's airports will probably be a lot more fun.......
 
2012-11-09 06:14:55 PM  

ZAZ: There is no gravy train. Pot tourism only works when "legal" pot is rare. Divide number of stoners willing to travel by number of states where they can smoke.

Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.


Harshing my buzz.
 
2012-11-09 06:21:13 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: ZAZ: There is no gravy train. Pot tourism only works when "legal" pot is rare. Divide number of stoners willing to travel by number of states where they can smoke.

Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.

Harshing my buzz.


Even without pot tourism, there's already plenty of pot users in each state, and plenty of tax money to be made by taking the sales out of the black market and putting it in the corner store.
 
2012-11-09 06:44:35 PM  
Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.
 
2012-11-09 06:48:01 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


there is nothing in the law that says employers cannot can you for violating their drug policies. and there are no regulations on what they can and cannot put into those policies.
 
2012-11-09 07:03:34 PM  

ZAZ: other states begin to hop on the gravy train

There is no gravy train. Pot tourism only works when "legal" pot is rare. Divide number of stoners willing to travel by number of states where they can smoke.

Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.


There will be for those states right now. The others will see, want a piece of the pie, and begin to legalize. As long as the profits exceed the costs of regulation and enforcement, they will want to jump in. All it takes is a couple examples, and if it's only two right now then the demand will be insane
 
2012-11-09 07:09:02 PM  
So can I lose my job if I legally smoke out in CO or WA and then come home? Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state? Should I go to law school and pursue a degree in exploiting this new found goldmine of legal battles?
 
2012-11-09 07:18:43 PM  

Elzar: So can I lose my job if I legally smoke out in CO or WA and then come home?


yes

Elzar: Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state?


nope. it is not wrongful termination

Elzar: Should I go to law school and pursue a degree in exploiting this new found goldmine of legal battles?


nope
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-09 07:24:00 PM  
Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state?

If you live in California or Montana, maybe. Otherwise, no.

My reasoning:

California has a law limiting discipline by employers for employees' legal off-duty activities. Years ago it was supposed to protect people who smoked tobacco.

Montana isn't fully "employment at will" like most states.

The anti-pot folks in Massachusetts are trying to scare people by saying your tenants will be growing "medical" marijuana and you can't evict them because of anti-discrimination laws. Even if true, this argument doesn't protect pot tourists. Under federal law pot has no medical value. You could get every doctor in the world and it still has no medical value because Congress said so. There is Supreme Court precedent on this point. If your state allowed medical marijuana for your condition you wouldn't need to go to Colorado to smoke.  So your state prohibits pot and is not likely to rule it against public policy to fire somebody for smoking. (But there might be another California-type law out there. I'd like to hear if there is one.)
 
2012-11-09 07:41:19 PM  
"FAA requests that tourists not get higher than 8,000 feet to avoid passenger aircraft "

Goddamn it. That means in Denver I can only get 3000' AGL.
 
2012-11-09 07:41:25 PM  
It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.
 
2012-11-09 07:42:47 PM  
Conservative media aside, this is news?

Old thread idea is old, man.

Ozone.

Word.

*)
 
2012-11-09 07:43:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Good. I hope their revenues from it skyrocket and other states begin to hop on the gravy train and follow suit.


They project $1.9 billion in gross revenues in the first 5 years.
 
2012-11-09 07:44:05 PM  
Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.
 
2012-11-09 07:45:14 PM  
Bah.

Bruuuuuce!
 
2012-11-09 07:46:08 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.
 
2012-11-09 07:46:39 PM  
Suck it, rest of the country. No wait, I will suck it. And suck it legally.
 
2012-11-09 07:46:49 PM  

Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.


So what.
 
2012-11-09 07:47:38 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


Move to a country with privacy laws?
 
2012-11-09 07:47:56 PM  

Indubitably: Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.

So what.


Replacing some petroleum is good news, humans.
 
2012-11-09 07:48:24 PM  
It will be until at least January 2014 before retail sales are available in Colorado. You might still be able to score in the gray market and legal possess, but don't plan on coming to Colorado and walking into a store and buying some herb until then. Unless, of course, you are a CO resident with a MMJ card.
 
2012-11-09 07:48:33 PM  
I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)
 
2012-11-09 07:49:39 PM  

moops: It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.


Feds would have to do the busting & prosecute in fed court. Doable, but they been relying on states and locals for mist of it
 
2012-11-09 07:49:48 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.

So what.

Replacing some petroleum is good news, humans.


Great. But the bigger thing to me is being able to roll down to the state pot store and pick up an ounce of bud at a reasonable price, presumably.
 
2012-11-09 07:50:22 PM  
And Amsterdam's tourist economy crashes.
 
2012-11-09 07:50:38 PM  
Why would someone go to Colorado and NOT go above 8000ft?
 
2012-11-09 07:51:27 PM  
 
2012-11-09 07:51:43 PM  

basemetal: TSA checkpoints in those state's airports will probably be a lot more fun.......


One of my biggest issues with the TSA. If someone is subjected to a 4th amendment violation, secondary evidence should be ignored.
 
2012-11-09 07:52:07 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


????

cdn01.dailycaller.com
 
2012-11-09 07:53:54 PM  
high times? ... or end times?

you make the call
 
2012-11-09 07:54:13 PM  
Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.
www.allhatnocattle.net
cotocrew.files.wordpress.com
www.rumproast.com
/just say no
 
2012-11-09 07:54:19 PM  

Klom Dark: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.


Yeah, once you get to q certain level of job, they just don't care about mandatory drug testing or they only do it as part if the hiring process. My last company tested me just once in 7 years of being there, and my new company is based out of the Amsterdam, so if they did test us it would be to ensure that we meet the required minimum of pot usage to be an employee.
 
2012-11-09 07:54:40 PM  
If 16th Avenue in Denver had a nicer midrange food selection, I could see getting backed out of my mind there. As it is, I think a lovely fall day would be getting high as a kite, hitting Lucky Slice for a pizza, and then walking over to the Aquarium to check out the fish and aquarium whores.

/sadly 16th seems to have a lot of expensive places clearly designed for your expense report or fast food joints like McDonalds, I didn't spot a lot of in between options
//the touch tank could also be fun while stoned
 
2012-11-09 07:54:49 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.

So what.

Replacing some petroleum is good news, humans.


Grows in the desert even.

Perfect crop, really.

But it subjects petroleum to a sudden substandard of preference.

This is okay.

We should draw on every resource-building, power generating force we have at our disposal, friends.

Wind, solar, biomass, and, yes fracking done pristine, perhaps: prove it, fire-faucet.

Steer away from petroleum, but keep it up.

There will always be a population of people willing to pay any price to run their muscle car.

I'm still waiting for my metallic-purple turbo Camaro, btw.

Let's call it Eggplant.
 
2012-11-09 07:56:40 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.

So what.

Replacing some petroleum is good news, humans.

Grows in the desert even.

Perfect crop, really.

But it subjects petroleum to a sudden substandard of preference.

This is okay.

We should draw on every resource-building, power generating force we have at our disposal, friends.

Wind, solar, biomass, and, yes fracking done pristine, perhaps: prove it, fire-faucet.

Steer away from petroleum, but keep it up.

There will always be a population of people willing to pay any price to run their muscle car.

I'm still waiting for my metallic-purple turbo Camaro, btw.

Let's call it Eggplant.


P.S. My free one, that is. You know where to find me, apparently.
 
2012-11-09 07:56:46 PM  

Klom Dark: While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process.


We can test that theory. Microsoft is based in Washington. Lets see if their designs improve any over the next few years.
 
2012-11-09 07:57:11 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


An employer can test you for tobacco or alcohol and base hiring decisions on that if they so choose to. Why would marijuana be any different in requiring a law (besides the fact there is no power to pass such a law)? Marijuana testing will change when it becomes so common place that finding employees becomes more of a burden.
 
2012-11-09 07:57:13 PM  
Reposting from a previous thread because it is relevant here:

I love all of these conservatives who talk shiat about freedom, liberty, and states rights but never really support policies that expand those rights.

My state of Washington showed everyone how it was done this year. We voted to extend to gay couples the LIBERTY to marry each other. We gave people the FREEDOM to use a relatively harmless drug if they want, and in the process set up a legal showdown between the rights of the states and the power of the federal government. We did all that stuff that conservatives are supposedly for, but I'm willing to bet that the author is horrified at our election results. Conservatives talk a big game, but I don't think they really are as in love with true freedom and liberty as they say, otherwise they would be on our side in regards to the Drug War and Gay Marriage.
 
2012-11-09 07:57:33 PM  

vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.
 
2012-11-09 07:58:07 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars.

Some people just toke in private, or at minimum choose to not openly discuss it with the overly self righteous.
 
2012-11-09 07:59:40 PM  
Time to head to CO and open a store that sells nothing but Doritos, Oreos, Cheesy Puffs and rolling papers.

/I tried it once and didn't feel anything but I sure could have eaten a 40lb. bag of Oreo cookies.
 
2012-11-09 08:00:45 PM  
why am i going to travel to colorado for weed if i can get it brought to my house?
 
2012-11-09 08:01:14 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is gay is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


This is how stupid you sound.
 
2012-11-09 08:01:26 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: Cpl.D: I think the bigger thing will be the mass production of hemp. Look for a flood of hemp products in Walmart next year.

So what.

Replacing some petroleum is good news, humans.

Grows in the desert even.

Perfect crop, really.

But it subjects petroleum to a sudden substandard of preference.

This is okay.

We should draw on every resource-building, power generating force we have at our disposal, friends.

Wind, solar, biomass, and, yes fracking done pristine, perhaps: prove it, fire-faucet.

Steer away from petroleum, but keep it up.

There will always be a population of people willing to pay any price to run their muscle car.

I'm still waiting for my metallic-purple turbo Camaro, btw.

Let's call it Eggplant.

P.S. My free one, that is. You know where to find me, apparently.


P.P.S. Word.
 
2012-11-09 08:01:50 PM  
(not for mere pot brownies, mind you, but "infused edibles.")

WTF does that even mean? You're either cooking/baking with canna-oil/canna-butter or you're not. What's this 'infused' BS?

/and don't knock the pot brownies
//or the cookies
 
2012-11-09 08:01:53 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Klom Dark: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.

Yeah, once you get to q certain level of job, they just don't care about mandatory drug testing or they only do it as part if the hiring process. My last company tested me just once in 7 years of being there, and my new company is based out of the Amsterdam, so if they did test us it would be to ensure that we meet the required minimum of pot usage to be an employee.


I typically expect my new hires to come in clean, not out of any aversion to weed but more as just of "If you want the job, at least walk through the door clean." That and I'm not about to go out on the limb for some guy I barely no in terms of dealing with the company drug policy. Plus we only do a piss test on new hires normally and if you can't manage to pass that, you have self discpline issues. In theory my current company tests at any time, but the one time it did I heard a rumor in advance about it. One employee of mine looked rather nervous so I sent him over to Korea on some semi bullshiat trip for a week and encouraged to burn vacation days as needed to hang out there for longer if needed. The drug test coordinator got biatchy, but the dude was already in the air and I told my boss how this was such a critical trip and the we'd just piss test when he got back.

/plus if they catch you, the first time is only some trip to some HR drone to talk about addiction issues
//I plan on getting a medical card when I retire and enjoying some recreation
/as it stands right now I do a lot of travel to countries with insane anti drug laws and want even the hair test to come back clean in case shiat gets weird
 
2012-11-09 08:02:10 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


It's irrelevant - If you work somewhere where you're employer says "You can't use drugs that we test for, and work here", then you're SOL no matter where you were getting all potted up
 
2012-11-09 08:02:20 PM  

DORMAMU: moops: It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.

Feds would have to do the busting & prosecute in fed court. Doable, but they been relying on states and locals for most of it


I somehow think they won't simply accept the burden without some kind of backlash. That or them turning a blind eye.
Colorado may want this, but there's other interests that probably fear a successful example will flip surrounding states.

Look for a string of batfe screw ups or other nefariousness to put a bad spin on any good statistics from legalization.

/also keep an eye on the media.
/every criminal that makes the news will be a pothead.
 
2012-11-09 08:05:13 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


I recall a librarian from Oregon won her case against drug testing. I believe it centered around the fact that a librarian is not a dangerous job (no driving etc).
 
2012-11-09 08:05:35 PM  
Dang, I live at 9200ft. But when I get high, it can be well over 13k feet.
 
2012-11-09 08:06:08 PM  
Yep. Already planning a trip out to one or both states within the next year (hopefully), specifically to try my luck with the Devil's Weed. If I come back and I'm no longer normal, at least you'll know why. At least you'll know why.
 
2012-11-09 08:06:19 PM  

phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.
[www.allhatnocattle.net image 230x246]
[cotocrew.files.wordpress.com image 409x285]
[www.rumproast.com image 425x307]
/just say no


Christian? I thought the Federal Government was run by a Muslim.

Kind of funny how stoners cannot get the most liberal adminsitration in recnet history to go along withe legalization. If anything ther DOJ is going to kick more draconian:

Napolitano floated for attorney general
 
2012-11-09 08:06:27 PM  

Ninjazx: You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars


Oh take your self righteous "came down from the mountain to expose you" attitude and choke on it.
The people I mentioned OPENLY ADMIT IT. They know I don't care, (and oh, ya. I in no way can smell it while being trapped in a small radio studio no bigger than an airplane bathroom.) as long as their work gets done and I don't have to fill in, which I have to farking do every week.
We've gone through 3 more employees in the last 2 months. One decided to roll a joint while his farking mic was on. Probably shouldn't tell the World how you can't get those pesky stems from poking through the paper.
Another went out for his break, came back reeking of it and fell asleep on the farking board.
The last guy just couldn't get the hang of how to use the buttons while openly admitting to me how he can usually think better after a wake and bake.
So fark you if you think I'm judging people when the evidence of MY life was seen, not judged with, dick.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:19 PM  

way south: DORMAMU: moops: It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.

Feds would have to do the busting & prosecute in fed court. Doable, but they been relying on states and locals for most of it

I somehow think they won't simply accept the burden without some kind of backlash. That or them turning a blind eye.
Colorado may want this, but there's other interests that probably fear a successful example will flip surrounding states.

Look for a string of batfe screw ups or other nefariousness to put a bad spin on any good statistics from legalization.

/also keep an eye on the media.
/every criminal that makes the news will be a pothead.


Good point. We just had an officer die of friendly fire this morning in Lakewood. Guessing "weed" will be found in the suspects house. The media is already talking about how the suspects had "2-3" PITBULLS in the apartment.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:29 PM  

codergirl42: This is how stupid you sound.


I'll try to get over you not liking me.
 
2012-11-09 08:08:53 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Reposting from a previous thread because it is relevant here:

I love all of these conservatives who talk shiat about freedom, liberty, and states rights but never really support policies that expand those rights.

My state of Washington showed everyone how it was done this year. We voted to extend to gay couples the LIBERTY to marry each other. We gave people the FREEDOM to use a relatively harmless drug if they want, and in the process set up a legal showdown between the rights of the states and the power of the federal government. We did all that stuff that conservatives are supposedly for, but I'm willing to bet that the author is horrified at our election results. Conservatives talk a big game, but I don't think they really are as in love with true freedom and liberty as they say, otherwise they would be on our side in regards to the Drug War and Gay Marriage.


A few days ago I thought the same as you do now. You (and many others) should Google the GOP 2012 Platform. It's a sixty-some page PDF that details how Republicans are willing to use the states' or federal legislatures (whichever is feasible) to enact their policy positions. It throws the argument of states-vs-feds right out the window and replaces it with "whatever works better."
 
2012-11-09 08:09:00 PM  

GBmanNC: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

An employer can test you for tobacco or alcohol and base hiring decisions on that if they so choose to. Why would marijuana be any different in requiring a law (besides the fact there is no power to pass such a law)? Marijuana testing will change when it becomes so common place that finding employees becomes more of a burden.


No, they can suggest that they'd like to test and watch me walk away. Or they could if anyone in countries outside of North America actually put up with this shiat.

I'd never work for an employer that tested, regardless of anticipated outcome. It's about basic respect.
 
2012-11-09 08:09:06 PM  
I was gonna comment in this thread, but then I got high. I was gonna tell that Farker off, but then I got high. I was gonna make myself some bacon but then I got mmmmmmmmm bacon. That sounds really good. I love bacon.
 
2012-11-09 08:09:10 PM  
Christ, people from those states smell bad enough already.
 
2012-11-09 08:09:11 PM  

phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.



Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.
 
2012-11-09 08:10:18 PM  

TheWhoppah: Klom Dark: While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process.

We can test that theory. Microsoft is based in Washington. Lets see if their designs improve any over the next few years.


Are you assuming they are going to just start smoking as if they have not been doing it already?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-09 08:10:35 PM  
Why would someone go to Colorado and NOT go above 8000ft?

Last time I was in Colorado it was to raft along the Green River, which being a river is at a local low point in the topography.
 
2012-11-09 08:11:41 PM  

Zombie DJ: Ninjazx: You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars

Oh take your self righteous "came down from the mountain to expose you" attitude and choke on it.
The people I mentioned OPENLY ADMIT IT. They know I don't care, (and oh, ya. I in no way can smell it while being trapped in a small radio studio no bigger than an airplane bathroom.) as long as their work gets done and I don't have to fill in, which I have to farking do every week.
We've gone through 3 more employees in the last 2 months. One decided to roll a joint while his farking mic was on. Probably shouldn't tell the World how you can't get those pesky stems from poking through the paper.
Another went out for his break, came back reeking of it and fell asleep on the farking board.
The last guy just couldn't get the hang of how to use the buttons while openly admitting to me how he can usually think better after a wake and bake.
So fark you if you think I'm judging people when the evidence of MY life was seen, not judged with, dick.


You completely missed the point that many of the people you think don't smoke... do.

Its ok, I don't expect you to understand this.
 
2012-11-09 08:12:03 PM  
Quit legitimizing help.
 
2012-11-09 08:12:04 PM  

Bubrubb: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

It's irrelevant - If you work somewhere where you're employer says "You can't use drugs that we test for, and work here", then you're SOL no matter where you were getting all potted up


This isn't directed at you, but is directed at the subject of your conversation: Does anyone know of case-law where opioids were tested for as a matter of company policy, and found to be used by someone with a prescription for their use?
 
2012-11-09 08:12:45 PM  

TheWhoppah: Klom Dark: While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process.

We can test that theory. Microsoft is based in Washington. Lets see if their designs improve any over the next few years.


M$ don't care, I know a ton of people that worked there that do it. As long as they're doing their jobs it's not a problem. It's doubtful that anything will change, since people here smoked before it was even legal.
 
2012-11-09 08:12:56 PM  

Indubitably: Quit legitimizing help.


Help is help.

Let it be.
 
2012-11-09 08:13:22 PM  
Bill Simmons quipped today that this was the reason Peyton Manning bought all those Papa John franchises.
 
2012-11-09 08:14:38 PM  

little big man: Bill Simmons quipped today that this was the reason Peyton Manning bought all those Papa John franchises.


Your meta thought is meta drought.
 
2012-11-09 08:15:20 PM  

Indubitably: little big man: Bill Simmons quipped today that this was the reason Peyton Manning bought all those Papa John franchises.

Your meta thought is meta drought.


*)
 
2012-11-09 08:15:58 PM  
Tourists are bad enough but stoner tourists; that has to be hellish

col.stb.s-msn.com
 
2012-11-09 08:16:12 PM  

Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.


They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.
 
2012-11-09 08:17:42 PM  

Elzar: So can I lose my job if I legally smoke out in CO or WA and then come home? Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state? Should I go to law school and pursue a degree in exploiting this new found goldmine of legal battles?


Probably, the supreme court ruled that states can fire members of the Native American Church for using Peyote in religious rituals.
 
2012-11-09 08:18:07 PM  
Piss tests are a cinch to beat, even randoms. Easiest way to tell a responsible stoner from a farkup. One is working for a lawfirm while the others working a jiffylube.

//obvious
 
2012-11-09 08:19:18 PM  

Zombie DJ: Ninjazx: You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars

Oh take your self righteous "came down from the mountain to expose you" attitude and choke on it.
The people I mentioned OPENLY ADMIT IT. They know I don't care, (and oh, ya. I in no way can smell it while being trapped in a small radio studio no bigger than an airplane bathroom.) as long as their work gets done and I don't have to fill in, which I have to farking do every week.
We've gone through 3 more employees in the last 2 months. One decided to roll a joint while his farking mic was on. Probably shouldn't tell the World how you can't get those pesky stems from poking through the paper.
Another went out for his break, came back reeking of it and fell asleep on the farking board.
The last guy just couldn't get the hang of how to use the buttons while openly admitting to me how he can usually think better after a wake and bake.
So fark you if you think I'm judging people when the evidence of MY life was seen, not judged with, dick.


LOL! Your problem is not pot. It's DJs! Thats just how they roll.

/sorry
 
2012-11-09 08:20:03 PM  

hasty ambush: Tourists are bad enough but stoner tourists; that has to be hellish

[col.stb.s-msn.com image 650x366]


Not if you get over your disdain and understand:

I read something hateful recently in the NYT from some anti-marijuana crusader "therapist," and I have five words:

Get over yourself; thank you.

P.S. That is all. *)
 
2012-11-09 08:25:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PapaChester: My family is already planning to move the the bi-annual family vacation to an alternating local of CO and WA , switching from AL and HI.

That's cool about the switch, but what the hell made your family decide to originally have alternate vacations between Hawaii (a damn near paradise), and Alabama (a Deliverance paradise)?


You know how I can tell you've never been to Alabama?
 
2012-11-09 08:29:28 PM  

DrPainMD: scottydoesntknow: PapaChester: My family is already planning to move the the bi-annual family vacation to an alternating local of CO and WA , switching from AL and HI.

That's cool about the switch, but what the hell made your family decide to originally have alternate vacations between Hawaii (a damn near paradise), and Alabama (a Deliverance paradise)?

You know how I can tell you've never been to Alabama?


Because he doesn't walk with a limp and doesn't piss himself when the banjo starts up?
 
2012-11-09 08:30:24 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.



First, I agree with the bolded 1,000%.

I don't presume that the Feds would send their boys in to bag dopers and small-time dealers, that would be silly. They have other means of coercion:

National Minimum Drinking Age Act

"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state with a minimum age below 21 would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]"

ALL states complied.

And if withholding money doesn't work, they can always ratchet it up.

funnyanimalpicturescat.com
 
2012-11-09 08:30:35 PM  

Zombie DJ: Ninjazx: You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars

Oh take your self righteous "came down from the mountain to expose you" attitude and choke on it.
The people I mentioned OPENLY ADMIT IT. They know I don't care, (and oh, ya. I in no way can smell it while being trapped in a small radio studio no bigger than an airplane bathroom.) as long as their work gets done and I don't have to fill in, which I have to farking do every week.
We've gone through 3 more employees in the last 2 months. One decided to roll a joint while his farking mic was on. Probably shouldn't tell the World how you can't get those pesky stems from poking through the paper.
Another went out for his break, came back reeking of it and fell asleep on the farking board.
The last guy just couldn't get the hang of how to use the buttons while openly admitting to me how he can usually think better after a wake and bake.
So fark you if you think I'm judging people when the evidence of MY life was seen, not judged with, dick.


You're anecdotal evidence is irrefutable. There is no point in arguing with you, you won!
 
2012-11-09 08:30:42 PM  

gibbon1: Elzar: So can I lose my job if I legally smoke out in CO or WA and then come home? Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state? Should I go to law school and pursue a degree in exploiting this new found goldmine of legal battles?

Probably, the supreme court ruled that states can fire members of the Native American Church for using Peyote in religious rituals.


Not all states will do that.

bruegel: TheWhoppah: Klom Dark: While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process.

We can test that theory. Microsoft is based in Washington. Lets see if their designs improve any over the next few years.

Are you assuming they are going to just start smoking as if they have not been doing it already?


I know several people that work there. Posts diected at this area by people who have never lived here are always amusing.
 
2012-11-09 08:32:27 PM  
A person's position on MJ legalization is one of my most trusted yardsticks for determining if I'll ever really be close friends with someone. I haven't smoked in years (was daily long ago) and likely will go indefinitely unless it falls into my lap, but if you're truly against legalization, we're going to have a hell of a time seeing eye to eye. It's not even that I'm passionate about the issue, it's just that being against weed correlates STRONGLY with a slew of other personality traits that are basically diametrically opposed to mine. In my anecdotal experience, anyway...

We can still be acquaintances and work well with each other, but we're on different paths.
 
2012-11-09 08:32:39 PM  
What changed this week was the calls for work and open discourse about what people are doing.

Not a lot will change besides other states biatching about exporters.

The town doesn't want more stores but agree that they won't limit the will of the people.

/everyone wants a flip-flop.
 
2012-11-09 08:34:56 PM  

Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.


Well, in SOME states, they can legally fire you for legally using TOBACCO.

A court case would probably hinge upon firing, or discriminatory hiring practices, against a protected group- women, minorities, immigrants. BTW, you may assume otherwise, but in many states, it's actually LEGAL to fire someone for being gay. Outright. "I fired him because I found out he was gay and this is a gay-free workplace."=legal.

Well, they WOULD get in trouble for firing someone for taking "medicinal marijuana". Lotta problems there, firing someone for medical reasons unrelated to the job.

Originally, they say one of the INITIAL motivations for making marijuana illegal was because it was primarily a "Mexican thing", and you can't arrest people for being Mexican, but you can arrest them for doing Mexican things. This sort of discriminatory motivation, if successfully argued in court, could easily be a violation of the Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution.

But good luck with that, the wild imbalance of sentencing between "crack" (largely a "black thing") and "cocaine powder" (a "white thing") went unaddressed for decades, and only got "somewhat less biased" recently. I don't know how you're gonna argue that marijuana is any way a scheme to discriminate against an undesirable subgroup now.
 
2012-11-09 08:36:44 PM  

ShawnDoc: Even without pot tourism, there's already plenty of pot users in each state, and plenty of tax money to be made by taking the sales out of the black market and putting it in the corner store.


AND you have money saved by not arresting or imprisoning those people.

It's like your employer giving you a raise and paying off your car.
 
2012-11-09 08:37:07 PM  

Klom Dark: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.


No they'll lose the stoners who aren't the best talent. The best talent is smart enough not to smoke dope to become stupid.
 
2012-11-09 08:37:18 PM  
Gratz to WA and CO for acting like adults. Time to end the failing prohibition nation-wide.
 
2012-11-09 08:38:31 PM  
2013 is gonna be a ton o' fun

i911.photobucket.com

/still the original, biggest and best
 
2012-11-09 08:38:41 PM  

Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.


First, I agree with the bolded 1,000%.

I don't presume that the Feds would send their boys in to bag dopers and small-time dealers, that would be silly. They have other means of coercion:

National Minimum Drinking Age Act

"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state with a minimum age below 21 would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]"

ALL states complied.

And if withholding money doesn't work, they can always ratchet it up.

[funnyanimalpicturescat.com image 250x200]


Ah, but for the Feds to withhold money from Colorado or Washington would require an act of Congress. So, for the first time in 40 years it would be 'debated' in the US Congress. I really doubt the prohibitionists and DEA want that to happen. The very act of having that debate is a loss for the prohibitionists. But, bring it on if they do, it is WAY past time we had a national conversation about the drug war.
 
2012-11-09 08:38:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.


First, I agree with the bolded 1,000%.

I don't presume that the Feds would send their boys in to bag dopers and small-time dealers, that would be silly. They have other means of coercion:

National Minimum Drinking Age Act

"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state with a minimum age below 21 would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]"

ALL states complied.

And if withholding money doesn't work, they can always ratchet it up.

[funnyanimalpicturescat.com image 250x200]


Reregulate.

Now.

*)

There is always new money, right?

Word.
 
2012-11-09 08:39:56 PM  
It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses. Banks are forbidden to do business with them. The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions. Local governments can ban them. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.
 
2012-11-09 08:41:34 PM  

Indubitably: Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.


First, I agree with the bolded 1,000%.

I don't presume that the Feds would send their boys in to bag dopers and small-time dealers, that would be silly. They have other means of coercion:

National Minimum Drinking Age Act

"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state with a minimum age below 21 would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]"

ALL states complied.

And if withholding money doesn't work, they can always ratchet it up.

[funnyanimalpicturescat.com image 250x200]

Reregulate.

Now.

*)

There is always new money, right?

Word.


P.S. Let's demoney drugs. Make 'em free, or at least tax them: let the users pay, legally and respectfully.
 
2012-11-09 08:42:32 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Amos Quito: Ow! That was my feelings!: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

They lack the resources, and now the cooperation of the local cops, to go after small scale growers and possession crimes. Retail sales? Oh, yeah, that is a completely different animal. We shall see, but there are 100s of medical marijuana dispensaries openly operating right now in Colorado. Let's just say I'm glad the Mormon doesn't get to decide the Federal response.


First, I agree with the bolded 1,000%.

I don't presume that the Feds would send their boys in to bag dopers and small-time dealers, that would be silly. They have other means of coercion:

National Minimum Drinking Age Act

"The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984 by the United States Congress as a mechanism whereby all states would become thereafter required to legislate the age of 21 years as a minimum age for purchasing and publicly possessing alcoholic beverages. Under the Federal Aid Highway Act, a state with a minimum age below 21 would be subjected to a ten percent decrease in its annual federal highway apportionment.[1]"

ALL states complied.

And if withholding money doesn't work, they can always ratchet it up.

[funnyanimalpicturescat.com image 250x200]

Reregulate.

Now.

*)

There is always new money, right?

Word.

P.S. Let's demoney drugs. Make 'em free, or at least tax them: let the users pay, legally and respectfully.


This is America?
 
2012-11-09 08:43:38 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses. Banks are forbidden to do business with them. The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions. Local governments can ban them. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.


I said demoney, didn't i?
 
2012-11-09 08:46:31 PM  
What's weird though is that 98% of "employment drug testing" is marijuana.

It's actually the only one which "tests well". That is, it doesn't get false positives from ordinary things, and testing usually detects long-term use, not just that day.

Opiates and amphetamines have a shiatload of ordinary things which cause false positives, though.
In fact with more people at the workplace using nasal spray and eating poppyseed bagels than using meth and heroin, it's probably more likely that a positive is from that than actual drug use, making the testing rather pointless. If they ask for a second test, these have a shorter detection window, so abstaining for a few days after the first test would make follow-up tests pointless unless you were so addicted that you couldn't abstain for a few days.

Really, it seems to be that THC testing is the absolute CORNERSTONE of drug testing. The other stuff is just "icing on the cake" that the lab does so they can upcharge, even though it's generally pointless. If you DO take away the concept of drug testing for THC, then there may be no point in engaging in ANY drug testing, as it's expensive, keeps sending employees off the line during work hours to pee in a cup, and troublesome for H.R. to negotiate issues of the failed-tests-which-may-be-nothing.

Well, there's stil hair testing, that's accurate. But it's more expensive, and if you exclude marijuana use from the net, then there's like 80% fewer fish in the sea, making it pointless to go randomly trolling for them.
 
2012-11-09 08:53:40 PM  

Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses. Banks are forbidden to do business with them. The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions. Local governments can ban them. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

I said demoney, didn't i?


Yah, because those medical marijuana places aren't on every block in Colorado. They seem to be having a real hard time with it being illegal and all.
 
2012-11-09 08:54:42 PM  

SearchN: way south: DORMAMU: moops: It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.

Feds would have to do the busting & prosecute in fed court. Doable, but they been relying on states and locals for most of it

I somehow think they won't simply accept the burden without some kind of backlash. That or them turning a blind eye.
Colorado may want this, but there's other interests that probably fear a successful example will flip surrounding states.

Look for a string of batfe screw ups or other nefariousness to put a bad spin on any good statistics from legalization.

/also keep an eye on the media.
/every criminal that makes the news will be a pothead.

Good point. We just had an officer die of friendly fire this morning in Lakewood. Guessing "weed" will be found in the suspects house. The media is already talking about how the suspects had "2-3" PITBULLS in the apartment.


ZOMG. That's how we end: Pitbulls and weed! That's clearly worse than the crack epidemic of late 80's early 90's.

Really odd that a cop gets shot and it is somehow important that a related apartment has pitbulls.
 
2012-11-09 08:54:57 PM  
Yeah, the 2013 Hempfest is going to be....something.

I can't even fathom how clusterf*cky Seattle will be that weekend now.
 
2012-11-09 08:55:03 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


I'll take stoners over opiate/Xanax addicts any day. You ask them to pull some files or send an attachment, walk over ten minutes later, and they're passed out on their desks. Then no one can get rid of them because they're prescribed opiate/Xanax by their doctor, but are completely farking useless at all aspects of life.
 
2012-11-09 08:55:03 PM  
Today is nine-eleven in reverse: eleven-nine.

I'm not scared anymore.

I want peas.

I want America, period.

I want freedom for users, whether you agree with their self-destruction or not, for this is the crux of democracy, really.

Let me do what I will do, and punish me as I go?

Whatevs.

Lead by let?

How about Grow up?

Democracy means you protect when necessary, but otherwise, you are silent.

Learn when to stfu, please.

Thank you.

*)

P.S. I am deaf/dumb suddenly; adverbs.
 
2012-11-09 08:58:35 PM  

ShawnDoc: ZAZ: Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.

They work good, thanks to the aging population. For whatever reason, once someone turns 60 they get addicted to nickle slots. You just need to give it a few more years for the aging population to catch up to the new casinos being built.

(Of course they'll all have to shut down once the boomers die off)


Slots are video games for people too old to have played real video games. I mean, have you ever listened to those little reward noises the slot machines give you every time you drop in a quarter?
 
2012-11-09 08:58:47 PM  

Kazan: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

there is nothing in the law that says employers cannot can you for violating their drug policies. and there are no regulations on what they can and cannot put into those policies.


Not only that, but if you get high in colorado legally and come back to missouri to your job and come up hot on a piss test you are still fired. we lost a guy last year that went to amstedam and camebackbragging about it. our safety officer got him tested and he was fired two days later.
 
2012-11-09 08:59:19 PM  
Very seriously considering moving to WA state. Not just for the pot...
 
2012-11-09 09:01:03 PM  

mongbiohazard: Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.


Sorry, still no smoking pot in public. Presumably this also includes the great outdoors.
 
2012-11-09 09:01:07 PM  

Klom Dark: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.


I don't disagree with the argument you appear to be attempting to make but the manner in which you're making it contradicts your (presumed) premise.
 
2012-11-09 09:04:17 PM  
You can easily get cannabis in any state in the Union, if you are not concerned with quality of the product. What you get when cannabis becomes legal is medical grade product as well as a tremendous variety of edibles. Pot dispensaries are actually pot delicatessens.

/doesn't smoke weed anymore
//vaporizes butter hash
 
2012-11-09 09:04:40 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


Uptight people like you have no business being anywhere near the music industry, even the lowly DJ world. Please leave and get a job at a bank or investment firm where people don't have to be ashamed of the stick in their @ss.
 
2012-11-09 09:04:54 PM  

SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.


You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.
 
2012-11-09 09:09:18 PM  

Sgygus: You can easily get cannabis in any state in the Union, if you are not concerned with quality of the product. What you get when cannabis becomes legal is medical grade product as well as a tremendous variety of edibles. Pot dispensaries are actually pot delicatessens.

/doesn't smoke weed anymore
//vaporizes butter hash


Ok, i've been toking for over 20 yrs and have never heard of "butter hash"
Explain please?
 
2012-11-09 09:11:41 PM  

Zombie DJ: Ninjazx: You should share your ability to identify anyone who smokes weed with the local law enforcement. It would save thousands of tax dollars

Oh take your self righteous "came down from the mountain to expose you" attitude and choke on it.
The people I mentioned OPENLY ADMIT IT. They know I don't care, (and oh, ya. I in no way can smell it while being trapped in a small radio studio no bigger than an airplane bathroom.) as long as their work gets done and I don't have to fill in, which I have to farking do every week.
We've gone through 3 more employees in the last 2 months. One decided to roll a joint while his farking mic was on. Probably shouldn't tell the World how you can't get those pesky stems from poking through the paper.
Another went out for his break, came back reeking of it and fell asleep on the farking board.
The last guy just couldn't get the hang of how to use the buttons while openly admitting to me how he can usually think better after a wake and bake.
So fark you if you think I'm judging people when the evidence of MY life was seen, not judged with, dick.


Not to go all Chris Rock on you but you're talking about two completely different things. There are pot smokers and there are stoners. Even pot smokers, hell especially pot smokers, don't like people who are zombie baked 24/7.

But I guarantee you many if not most of the brightest and most creative people you know (or especially whose work you enjoy) smoke out with some regularity. It broadens ones mental horizons.

///The more you know.......
 
2012-11-09 09:13:52 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: A person's position on MJ legalization is one of my most trusted yardsticks for determining if I'll ever really be close friends with someone. I haven't smoked in years (was daily long ago) and likely will go indefinitely unless it falls into my lap, but if you're truly against legalization, we're going to have a hell of a time seeing eye to eye. It's not even that I'm passionate about the issue, it's just that being against weed correlates STRONGLY with a slew of other personality traits that are basically diametrically opposed to mine. In my anecdotal experience, anyway...

We can still be acquaintances and work well with each other, but we're on different paths.


Agreed, and I've never even smoked pot. But I voted for 64, even though I normally hate super detailed constitutional amendments, because pot prohibition is so stupid.

\Also, I just had most of a bottle of wine, so I have no idea if I'm making sense.
\\Why was my bottle legal and that dude's joint not, again?
 
2012-11-09 09:15:09 PM  

Hrist: Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)

I'll take stoners over opiate/Xanax addicts any day. You ask them to pull some files or send an attachment, walk over ten minutes later, and they're passed out on their desks. Then no one can get rid of them because they're prescribed opiate/Xanax by their doctor, but are completely farking useless at all aspects of life.


I'll THIS this, moreso if they drink with their prescriptions and think they're better than potsmokers.

Occam's Disposable Razor: A person's position on MJ legalization is one of my most trusted yardsticks for determining if I'll ever really be close friends with someone. I haven't smoked in years (was daily long ago) and likely will go indefinitely unless it falls into my lap, but if you're truly against legalization, we're going to have a hell of a time seeing eye to eye. It's not even that I'm passionate about the issue, it's just that being against weed correlates STRONGLY with a slew of other personality traits that are basically diametrically opposed to mine. In my anecdotal experience, anyway...

We can still be acquaintances and work well with each other, but we're on different paths.


That and gay marriage, b/c and abortion for me.
Not a smoker either but I voted for it.
 
2012-11-09 09:15:26 PM  
farking states' rights nutters.

That last time states are allowed to go against federal policy we had a war that almost destroyed the country. Here's hoping that the president sends the feds to kick down their door and have them locked away from society.
 
2012-11-09 09:16:47 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.


Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.
 
2012-11-09 09:16:51 PM  

Zombie DJ: I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.


I know, right? I mean my neurosurgeon neighbor is smart, and naturally, he doesn't get high. You know how I know? I asked him, and he TOLD ME he doesn't get high. And my other neighbor, the surpreme court justice is smart, and naturally, he doesn't get high. You know how I know? I asked him, and he TOLD ME he doesn't get high. And my other other neighbor, the chief of police is smart, and naturally, he doesn't get high. You know how I know? I asked him, and he TOLD ME he doesn't get high.

Meanwhile, the guy who stands on the corner of 2nd and vine...you know the homeless dude. You know, the guy who has absolutely nothing to lose by letting you know that he gets high...the stupid guy...he gets high.

So clearly, the only logical conclusion is that only stupid people get high. It's the only possible explanation.
 
2012-11-09 09:20:15 PM  

SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.

Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.


Ah, you think someone has to smell to be a hippy. Whereas I consider Boulder to be the land of the trust fund hippy, who loves being smug about his electric car as he heats his huge old house in Mapleton.
 
2012-11-09 09:21:08 PM  

moops: It's gonna be hard for "tourists" to "buy" when the federal government won't allow sales to take place.


So...open a coffee shop and charge $15 for a cup of coffee with a free side of skinny spliff.
 
2012-11-09 09:24:01 PM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


I've started smoking on a fairly regular basis, but never smoked any until I was at least 26. If I'm not high I can hold a conversation as long as you wanna talk. If I'm high I'm a ranting, forgot-what-I-was-just-talking-about Olympian.

I think pot does screw up development in young brains (why I mention the age I started), so we should try to keep it away from kids. But adults should be able to burn a plant and inhale the smoke if they enjoy what that does for them. Talk about the government impeding on a natural right.

1) Grow life
2) Create fire
3) Breathe
 
rka
2012-11-09 09:27:07 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: mongbiohazard: Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.

Sorry, still no smoking pot in public. Presumably this also includes the great outdoors.


Well I'd hate for someone blazing one up in the woods and starting a fire. To top it off it's usually bad to combine hiking at 8-10000 ft and smoking in the first place.

But ignoring both of those, how many cops do you see on the trail? I barely see any rangers at all.
 
2012-11-09 09:29:22 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.

Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.

Ah, you think someone has to smell to be a hippy. Whereas I consider Boulder to be the land of the trust fund hippy, who loves being smug about his electric car as he heats his huge old house in Mapleton.


Na, I consider them to be the yuppies. The people that sit around this though:

data.whicdn.com
 
2012-11-09 09:32:28 PM  

rka: Skirl Hutsenreiter: mongbiohazard: Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.

Sorry, still no smoking pot in public. Presumably this also includes the great outdoors.

Well I'd hate for someone blazing one up in the woods and starting a fire. To top it off it's usually bad to combine hiking at 8-10000 ft and smoking in the first place.

But ignoring both of those, how many cops do you see on the trail? I barely see any rangers at all.


Oh, I must respectfully disagree. The buzz wears off quick, but toking up before heading up a steep grind of a section of a hike is a real nice way to get through it. Definitely not for newbie smokers or flatlanders, but some of us are pros all the way around.
 
2012-11-09 09:32:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Reposting from a previous thread because it is relevant here:

I love all of these conservatives who talk shiat about freedom, liberty, and states rights but never really support policies that expand those rights.

My state of Washington showed everyone how it was done this year. We voted to extend to gay couples the LIBERTY to marry each other. We gave people the FREEDOM to use a relatively harmless drug if they want, and in the process set up a legal showdown between the rights of the states and the power of the federal government. We did all that stuff that conservatives are supposedly for, but I'm willing to bet that the author is horrified at our election results. Conservatives talk a big game, but I don't think they really are as in love with true freedom and liberty as they say, otherwise they would be on our side in regards to the Drug War and Gay Marriage.


Nicely put.
 
2012-11-09 09:33:01 PM  

rka: Skirl Hutsenreiter: mongbiohazard: Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.

Sorry, still no smoking pot in public. Presumably this also includes the great outdoors.

Well I'd hate for someone blazing one up in the woods and starting a fire. To top it off it's usually bad to combine hiking at 8-10000 ft and smoking in the first place.

But ignoring both of those, how many cops do you see on the trail? I barely see any rangers at all.


Depends on the trail and the day. Lost lake on a weekend: guaranteed ranger sighting. Random open space trail away from Chautauqua: unlikely.
 
2012-11-09 09:33:29 PM  

DigitalCoffee: WTF does that even mean? You're either cooking/baking with canna-oil/canna-butter or you're not. What's this 'infused' BS?


A friend of mine calls it "I can't believe it's pot butter."
 
2012-11-09 09:34:55 PM  

SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

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Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.

Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.

Ah, you think someone has to smell to be a hippy. Whereas I consider Boulder to be the land of the trust fund hippy, who loves being smug about his electric car as he heats his huge old house in Mapleton.

Na, I consider them to be the yuppies. The people that sit around this though:


My problem with "yuppy" is the "urban" part. Boulder only pretends its urban. Plus, a lot of the people I'd identify as trust fund hippies consider themselves artists, not professionals.
 
2012-11-09 09:37:17 PM  

rka: Well I'd hate for someone blazing one up in the woods and starting a fire. To top it off it's usually bad to combine hiking at 8-10000 ft and smoking in the first place.


But, but these are some of my favorite things...

/guess I'll stick to the NC mountains if you're gonna be all like that :p
 
2012-11-09 09:39:01 PM  
SearchN, I live in unincorporated Boulder County, so I like to make fun of the city of Boulder. I do like being able to visit regularly, but I also like not having to live there any more.
 
2012-11-09 09:40:53 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.

Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.

Ah, you think someone has to smell to be a hippy. Whereas I consider Boulder to be the land of the trust fund hippy, who loves being smug about his electric car as he heats his huge old house in Mapleton.

Na, I consider them to be the yuppies. The people that sit around this though:

My problem with "yuppy" is the "urban" part. Boulder only pretends its urban. Plus, a lot of the people I'd identify as trust fund hippies consider themselves artists, not professionals.


True, but I guess it really is the area of town. I am just waiting to see what happens with the shelter by the Bus Stop when this really starts cranking. Should be entertaining to see the new rule of 'You cant have pot inside, so check it in with us and you can have it back when you leave.' rule goes in.

What area are you in?
 
2012-11-09 09:40:59 PM  
Actually, science is going toward the conclusion that it is the smarties who like to get high.
 
2012-11-09 09:42:55 PM  
dopekitty74: butter hash ... Explain please?

Peanut butter hash is made from a butane extraction process and then cold washed producing a peanut-butter like texture. There are other extraction methods as well. This type of hash leaves no residue when vaporized which makes it ideal for e-cigarette devices that use cartridges and rechargeable batteries.

Clean, portable, relatively odorless.
 
2012-11-09 09:43:00 PM  

Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.


The thing about power is, it only works if people assume you have it. The DEA can't do anything here. I don't mean they WON'T do anything, I mean they CAN'T. They don't have the resources to do more than make threatening noises. 95% of the manpower in national drug busts is local and state cops. The Feds have very few actual agents.
 
2012-11-09 09:45:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Good. I hope their revenues from it skyrocket and other states begin to hop on the gravy train and follow suit.


As soon as I read gravy, all I could think about was The Catacombs restaurant downtown. If you're stopping by for some bud may as well get a decent meal.
 
2012-11-09 09:45:31 PM  

dopekitty74: Sgygus: You can easily get cannabis in any state in the Union, if you are not concerned with quality of the product. What you get when cannabis becomes legal is medical grade product as well as a tremendous variety of edibles. Pot dispensaries are actually pot delicatessens.

/doesn't smoke weed anymore
//vaporizes butter hash

Ok, i've been toking for over 20 yrs and have never heard of "butter hash"
Explain please?


Curious minds want to know.
 
2012-11-09 09:46:52 PM  

Sgygus: dopekitty74: butter hash ... Explain please?

Peanut butter hash is made from a butane extraction process and then cold washed producing a peanut-butter like texture. There are other extraction methods as well. This type of hash leaves no residue when vaporized which makes it ideal for e-cigarette devices that use cartridges and rechargeable batteries.

Clean, portable, relatively odorless.


Thank you ;)
 
2012-11-09 09:47:14 PM  
Drug testing is the stupidest farking thing in the world. How about just testing a person based on their day to day performance and previous experience? Gee, what a concept!

ha-ha-guy: Plus we only do a piss test on new hires normally and if you can't manage to pass that, you have self discpline issues.


Oh look at mr. high and mighty. If you don't use weed like I do, then you have issues. If you use it in private and then it shows up on a drug test I administer to you, then you suck at life and smoking weed. fark off. Take that shiat and shove it.
 
2012-11-09 09:48:06 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

The thing about power is, it only works if people assume you have it. The DEA can't do anything here. I don't mean they WON'T do anything, I mean they CAN'T. They don't have the resources to do more than make threatening noises. 95% of the manpower in national drug busts is local and state cops. The Feds have very few actual agents.


That and you know what happens if the shiat hits the fan and goes before the current "states rights" supreme court?

/friggin slam dunk
 
2012-11-09 09:48:44 PM  
There is nothing better than hiking and toking. Omicron makes great pocket-vaporizers ... no open flame!
 
2012-11-09 09:53:23 PM  

Sgygus: There is nothing better than hiking and toking. Omicron makes great pocket-vaporizers ... no open flame!


There is one thing better...
www.schneesportgastein.com
 
2012-11-09 09:59:02 PM  
$98.94 billion dollars. That's the value of beer consumed in the US in 2011. That's just beer. If MJ starts getting treated like alcohol, the cash involved will be vast, vast, vast. Hell, a billion a year is spent just ADVERTISING beer. You want to see a land rush, watch what happens as people try to become the big name brands in pot.
 
2012-11-09 09:59:32 PM  

rohar: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

The thing about power is, it only works if people assume you have it. The DEA can't do anything here. I don't mean they WON'T do anything, I mean they CAN'T. They don't have the resources to do more than make threatening noises. 95% of the manpower in national drug busts is local and state cops. The Feds have very few actual agents.

That and you know what happens if the shiat hits the fan and goes before the current "states rights" supreme court?

/friggin slam dunk


Its a conservative court, not a states rights court. Conservatives only support states rights when it helps their causes.
 
2012-11-09 09:59:35 PM  

DigitalCoffee: (not for mere pot brownies, mind you, but "infused edibles.")

WTF does that even mean? You're either cooking/baking with canna-oil/canna-butter or you're not. What's this 'infused' BS?

/and don't knock the pot brownies
//or the cookies


One example that comes to mind, hash-oil infused lollipops. Way more potent than any other cooked/baked edibles that I've ever tried.
 
2012-11-09 10:01:29 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

The thing about power is, it only works if people assume you have it. The DEA can't do anything here. I don't mean they WON'T do anything, I mean they CAN'T. They don't have the resources to do more than make threatening noises. 95% of the manpower in national drug busts is local and state cops. The Feds have very few actual agents.


States well still do the work. Tax records for sales used to convict Sellers and growers of federal crimes.
 
2012-11-09 10:03:03 PM  

shtychkn:
States well still do the work. Tax records for sales used to convict Sellers and growers of federal crimes.


Listen to yourself. States will turn over taxpaying citizens to the Feds, who are no longer allowed to pay them anything back in return? Why, exactly?
 
2012-11-09 10:05:18 PM  

GBmanNC: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

An employer can test you for tobacco or alcohol and base hiring decisions on that if they so choose to. Why would marijuana be any different in requiring a law (besides the fact there is no power to pass such a law)? Marijuana testing will change when it becomes so common place that finding employees becomes more of a burden.


That's pretty messed up too considering it is about the only "drug" regularly used that will stay in your system longer than 72 hours.
 
2012-11-09 10:05:59 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: mongbiohazard: Fark yes... I'll be happy to treat CO like the Amsterdam of America. It's a gorgeous state, and would be a great place to hike around and smoke some spliffs while vacationing.

Sorry, still no smoking pot in public. Presumably this also includes the great outdoors.


"Lie there by the fire and watch the evening tire
While all my friends and my old lady sit and pass a pipe around" - Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr.
 
2012-11-09 10:06:27 PM  
booze tourism for drunks works everywhere, one block at a time.
 
2012-11-09 10:14:21 PM  
Granted the states still have to contend with the same U.S. government that California did. How many times were people busted even though CA said it was legal?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-09 10:15:44 PM  
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo

State and federal authorities share tax records to catch cheaters. The relationship is mutually beneficial.

Your federal tax return is partially protected from drug investigators. The record in your company's state tax file saying "business code 420 (dispensary)" is fair game.  It could be obtained by subpoena if government computers don't automatically share it.
 
2012-11-09 10:16:11 PM  

Indubitably: Today is nine-eleven in reverse: eleven-nine.

I'm not scared anymore.

I want peas.

I want America, period.

I want freedom for users, whether you agree with their self-destruction or not, for this is the crux of democracy, really.

Let me do what I will do, and punish me as I go?

Whatevs.

Lead by let?

How about Grow up?

Democracy means you protect when necessary, but otherwise, you are silent.

Learn when to stfu, please.

Thank you.

*)

P.S. I am deaf/dumb suddenly; adverbs.


So, just what is your drug of choice?
 
2012-11-09 10:18:09 PM  
Enjoy the big money while it lasts.

Maybe the next U.S. AG will have the wherewithal (and cojones) to, when asked about what the resulting policy regarding marijuana should be, will just hold up Nixon's `72 Shafer Commission report and tell the press that they are going to decrim per Nixon's handpicked experts. ` Benign' neglect is not enough.

I can order both Water Hemlock and Castor bean seeds for next to nothing (biochemical warfare directed at the deer that eat all nontoxic ornamentals `Mr. Mojo Ricin says "say hello to Socrates"). Should be able to order a pack of seeds of a Santa Marta/Durban poison/Thai Sativa cultivar through the Thompson & Morgan/Park Seed Companies catalogs for a few dollars more. It's a farking weed and the only way to kill oneself with the plant is to hang, suspended, by the neck, from a length of the processed, twisted and looped, fibers, thereof. 

/Nationwide backyard boo would certainly decrease the tax/tourism counts
 
2012-11-09 10:19:41 PM  

SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter: SearchN: vernonFL: If there is anything Colorado needs, its more hippies

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Actually, only Denver and Boulder have a ton of hippies, and most of them leave the state when it starts to get cold.

You've clearly never been to Boulder in the winter. Can't testify to Denver.

Sitting in Wonderland Hills. You? Right off Broadway and Iris.

And yes, you and I both know it gets better when it gets colder. The majority of the scummy ass hippies are the beggers on the mall. Most of them move to warmer climates when it starts to drop.

Ah, you think someone has to smell to be a hippy. Whereas I consider Boulder to be the land of the trust fund hippy, who loves being smug about his electric car as he heats his huge old house in Mapleton.

Na, I consider them to be the yuppies. The people that sit around this though:

My problem with "yuppy" is the "urban" part. Boulder only pretends its urban. Plus, a lot of the people I'd identify as trust fund hippies consider themselves artists, not professionals.

True, but I guess it really is the area of town. I am just waiting to see what happens with the shelter by the Bus Stop when this really starts cranking. Should be entertaining to see the new rule of 'You cant have pot inside, so check it in with us and you can have it back when you leave.' rule goes in.

What area are you in?


Nowadays I pretend I'm a farmer out east of town.
 
2012-11-09 10:20:44 PM  

ZAZ: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo

State and federal authorities share tax records to catch cheaters. The relationship is mutually beneficial.

Your federal tax return is partially protected from drug investigators. The record in your company's state tax file saying "business code 420 (dispensary)" is fair game.  It could be obtained by subpoena if government computers don't automatically share it.


Great, then what? The Feds aren't going to go door to door arresting people, they don't have the time, money, or place to put them all. Having a paper trail is meaningless when you can't do anything with it.
 
2012-11-09 10:21:33 PM  

blipponaut: Indubitably: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses. Banks are forbidden to do business with them. The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions. Local governments can ban them. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

I said demoney, didn't i?

Yah, because those medical marijuana places aren't on every block in Colorado. They seem to be having a real hard time with it being illegal and all.


Actually, they are having a real hard time.

Diane Czarkowski, an owner of Boulder Kind Care, has had financial institutions pull the plug on her bank account more than a half-dozen times since the business was launched two years ago.  

Medical Marijuana Crackdown In Colorado: 10 More Dispensaries Near Schools Forced To Shut Down 

IRS opens audit of Denver medical-marijuana dispensary

All of these risks mean the profit margin has to be very high, if you're in business for the money. (If you're not in it for the money, why apply to be a commercial seller?)

But the Colorado amendment includes the freedom to grow up to six plants at home. So for-profit sellers will compete with their customers, non-profit dispensaries, and the black market.

A gas station seems like a better investment, and it's a terrible investment.
 
2012-11-09 10:22:17 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: shtychkn:
States well still do the work. Tax records for sales used to convict Sellers and growers of federal crimes.

Listen to yourself. States will turn over taxpaying citizens to the Feds, who are no longer allowed to pay them anything back in return? Why, exactly?


MMJ dispensaries file Federal taxes. In fact, they pay tax on gross income, not net profit, as it is still a "criminal enterprise" according to the IRS.
They can deduct nothing as a cost of goods sold; no overhead or advertising expenses, can't deduct the baggie it's packaged in.

Feds make a shiat-ton more in income keeping it legal at the state level and illegal at the Federal. And it's all above board.
 
2012-11-09 10:25:12 PM  
Skirl Hutsenreiter:

Ah. Gotcha, pretty sure I know the general area if it's east of Boulder.

But, as I said it's going to be fun to see what the shelter does. They still allow the drunks to spend the night there, but they take the bottles when the check in happens, and give them back in the morning. Should be fun to see what the weed rule will be.
 
2012-11-09 10:27:41 PM  
1. I have no use whatsoever for marijuana.
2. I have no use for the government arresting so many marijuana users.
3. Cancer patients and glaucoma cases etc have lots of uses for marijuana.
4. This nightmare is Nixon's ghost's revenge. Pot smoker = college student = protesters against the Vietnam war = Democrat = Nixon enemy. Your father's Republican Party lives on in the form of Marijuana Prohibition.
 
2012-11-09 10:28:48 PM  

SearchN: Skirl Hutsenreiter:

Ah. Gotcha, pretty sure I know the general area if it's east of Boulder.

But, as I said it's going to be fun to see what the shelter does. They still allow the drunks to spend the night there, but they take the bottles when the check in happens, and give them back in the morning. Should be fun to see what the weed rule will be.


Given that booze tends to make people more difficult that pot, I wouldn't expect stricter rules for it. My church does BOHO, and I know most of the congregation would only be concerned with the smell from smoking indoors.
 
2012-11-09 10:29:47 PM  

Cletus C.: Suck it, rest of the country. No wait, I will suck it. And suck it legally.


The discussion is about marijuana, not gay marriage.
 
2012-11-09 10:30:57 PM  

shtychkn: rohar: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Amos Quito: phrawgh: Never fear, good Christian citizens, the ATF and federal government are coming to help you.


Hate to say it, but ^THIS^.

If you think the Feds are going to let these rogue States defy their AUTHORATAY, you're already so high that you have no need for legalization.

It's not about "health" or "safety", it's about POWER.

The thing about power is, it only works if people assume you have it. The DEA can't do anything here. I don't mean they WON'T do anything, I mean they CAN'T. They don't have the resources to do more than make threatening noises. 95% of the manpower in national drug busts is local and state cops. The Feds have very few actual agents.

That and you know what happens if the shiat hits the fan and goes before the current "states rights" supreme court?

/friggin slam dunk

Its a conservative court, not a states rights court. Conservatives only support states rights when it helps their causes.


Sure, they can break precedent. Then the last three states rights cases they decided come right back through. You sure even Alito wants this nightmare?
 
2012-11-09 10:32:10 PM  

Sgygus: dopekitty74: butter hash ... Explain please?

Peanut butter hash is made from a butane extraction process and then cold washed producing a peanut-butter like texture. There are other extraction methods as well. This type of hash leaves no residue when vaporized which makes it ideal for e-cigarette devices that use cartridges and rechargeable batteries.

Clean, portable, relatively odorless.


Okay that's the one I want. I"m not against marijuana but I am a little squeemish about SMOKING it.
 
2012-11-09 10:36:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PapaChester: My family is already planning to move the the bi-annual family vacation to an alternating local of CO and WA , switching from AL and HI.

That's cool about the switch, but what the hell made your family decide to originally have alternate vacations between Hawaii (a damn near paradise), and Alabama (a Deliverance paradise)?


What made you want to comment on posts without knowing anything you're talking about?

I've been to the beaches on Maui and the beaches in Gulf Shores.

Maui? Sand is kinda thick (as in it feels like small rocks instead of normal sand you would think about) and you might be surprised not white in a lotta places (brown or even almost black) beaches can be pretty rocky, water is ball shrinking cold and deep not far from dry line (in my experience the pool are, not the beach is a better place to be)

Bama- fine white sand, warm Gulf of Mexico and southern hotties far as the eye can see (not to mention bout 10 times cheaper)

That being said cant compare anything on the planet to the paradise that is Maui, but the Alabama beaches are a fine place to visit especially for the price
 
2012-11-09 10:37:27 PM  
I live in CO at 8500 feet and I suggest nobody get high or drunk at a high altitude unless they've been here for about a week. Every year somebody dies from it. There isn't enough oxygen in your bloodstream until your body figures out how it works. Get drunk or high and oxygen to your brain or heart can get shut off suddenly.

/PSA
 
2012-11-09 10:39:52 PM  
ok the devil is now lacing up his ice skates

Make pot leagal now, if those numbnuts are bong ripped for the next 4 years we will take back our country.


toke away buddy

//all my cares go up in smoke
 
2012-11-09 10:42:25 PM  
Colorado in this biatch wit' me (soundcloud weed anthem)
 
2012-11-09 10:45:56 PM  
So jealous. Also I would definitely consider a trip to Colorado to hit the slopes and enjoy your fine cannabis.
 
2012-11-09 10:50:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses.
1.Banks are forbidden to do business with them.
2.The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses.
3. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions.
4. Local governments can ban them.
5. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.


1. Citation needed. And there are always credit unions.
2. False. False. False. If nothing else, there is the "Other Income" section of the 1040.
3. They might, that hasn't been decided yet. (WA)
4. Uh...whafark? Citation please.
5. True, but they haven't "busted all" the medical grows that have been legalized, so you'll have to do better to put a scare into rational, thinking, responsible adults

/Thinking about opening a bed/breakfast/hemp farm (think Napa Valley, but with MJ) in 5 years or so
 
2012-11-09 10:51:55 PM  

pineapplesherbet: I live in CO at 8500 feet and I suggest nobody get high or drunk at a high altitude unless they've been here for about a week. Every year somebody dies from it. There isn't enough oxygen in your bloodstream until your body figures out how it works. Get drunk or high and oxygen to your brain or heart can get shut off suddenly.

/PSA


I've been to Breckenridge a few times with several other people from low elevations. I've never once seen this happen or even heard of anyone cautioning it.

Do you have any scientific evidence or citations for this?

/genuinely concerned, I may have been lucky up to this point
 
2012-11-09 11:07:10 PM  
Good. Now I can quit going to Amsterdam and all that rain. Colorado has much better weather. Do they have a legal red light district yet?
 
2012-11-09 11:08:26 PM  
GrizzlyPouch: genuinely concerned

Altitude sickness is exacerbated by alcohol or smoke. If you are planning any hard exercise, you should spend a few days acclimatizing yourself. Also, don't try skiing if you have congestive heart failure.

/most healthy people just get a headache
 
2012-11-09 11:08:55 PM  
When ten stores open and you bust one of them, the other nine might well close. When 10,000 stores open and you bust 100, nobody even notices. And you can't convict, any way. They'll all demand jury trials and drag out the legal process for ten years.
 
2012-11-09 11:18:42 PM  

Kevin72: Indubitably: Today is nine-eleven in reverse: eleven-nine.

I'm not scared anymore.

I want peas.

I want America, period.

I want freedom for users, whether you agree with their self-destruction or not, for this is the crux of democracy, really.

Let me do what I will do, and punish me as I go?

Whatevs.

Lead by let?

How about Grow up?

Democracy means you protect when necessary, but otherwise, you are silent.

Learn when to stfu, please.

Thank you.

*)

P.S. I am deaf/dumb suddenly; adverbs.

So, just what is your drug of choice?


All of them.
 
2012-11-09 11:19:23 PM  

Indubitably: Kevin72: Indubitably: Today is nine-eleven in reverse: eleven-nine.

I'm not scared anymore.

I want peas.

I want America, period.

I want freedom for users, whether you agree with their self-destruction or not, for this is the crux of democracy, really.

Let me do what I will do, and punish me as I go?

Whatevs.

Lead by let?

How about Grow up?

Democracy means you protect when necessary, but otherwise, you are silent.

Learn when to stfu, please.

Thank you.

*)

P.S. I am deaf/dumb suddenly; adverbs.

So, just what is your drug of choice?

All of them.


However, I do none of them.
 
2012-11-09 11:20:06 PM  

ZAZ: Is there any lawsuit money in the deal if I get wrongfully fired for legally partaking in another state?

If you live in California or Montana, maybe. Otherwise, no.

My reasoning:

California has a law limiting discipline by employers for employees' legal off-duty activities. Years ago it was supposed to protect people who smoked tobacco.

Montana isn't fully "employment at will" like most states.

The anti-pot folks in Massachusetts are trying to scare people by saying your tenants will be growing "medical" marijuana and you can't evict them because of anti-discrimination laws.
Even if true, this argument doesn't protect pot tourists. Under federal law pot has no medical value. You could get every doctor in the world and it still has no medical value because Congress said so. There is Supreme Court precedent on this point. If your state allowed medical marijuana for your condition you wouldn't need to go to Colorado to smoke.  So your state prohibits pot and is not likely to rule it against public policy to fire somebody for smoking. (But there might be another California-type law out there. I'd like to hear if there is one.)


I don't know if it's "anti-pot" people here, but my uncle gets a newsletter from a Landlord's group every month and goddamn every other month since MI passed medical marijuana there's something in the newsletter about it. Basically, how you can very carefully figure out how to kick a tenant out for it. Although they don't say that outright, it's always wink-wink-nudge-nudge-BE-CAREFUL-ADA-EVEN-THOUGH-IT'S-STATE-LAW-YOU'LL -BE-TIED-UP-IN-COURT-THAT-SAID-wink...

/doesn't really matter, he never reads 'em
//hence me glancing over them before I toss 'em when I help him with bookkeeping and office cleanup every month or so
 
2012-11-09 11:22:12 PM  
maybe we need to have a smoke off.

Link
 
2012-11-09 11:23:26 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Kazan: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

there is nothing in the law that says employers cannot can you for violating their drug policies. and there are no regulations on what they can and cannot put into those policies.

Not only that, but if you get high in colorado legally and come back to missouri to your job and come up hot on a piss test you are still fired. we lost a guy last year that went to amstedam and camebackbragging about it. our safety officer got him tested and he was fired two days later.


The only jobs I know of in MO that even drug test in the first place are those operating heavy machinery.

/lived in MO all my life
// never had a single drug test for any job
///don't drug test my employees now that i'm a SMALL BUSINESS OWNER (TM)
 
2012-11-09 11:27:01 PM  
Also, I don't smoke (either does nothing or sends me off the deep end very quickly, and both of those have happened with the same strain... shrug).

But anything that evens out the huge effing disparity between affluent people who use and poor people who use the same effing herb is cool by my standards. Hell, my SO had a freaking narc in his private college.

Seriously. There was a kid paid by the cops (small freaking town that college was in) to rat on whoever he could find. That's money well effing spent, right? And of course of the kids who got hit before everyone figured out who it was, only those with families who couldn't afford a decent lawyer got f--ked. No more federal student loans or grants, kid, you smoked up! Of course, unlike your peers who could afford lawyers, you actually *need* them... Sigh...

Plus, since there's a plethora of hydro stores in my state since medical marijuana passed, I can get awesome liquid nutrients for my container plants at competitive prices! Yeah, I'm sure the people I met suffering from chemo aftereffects are happy too, but *I* got a medical marijuana discount for my growlight! (Because the clerk said we "shouldn't be penalized for growing tomatoes").
 
2012-11-09 11:28:45 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Also, I don't smoke (either does nothing or sends me off the deep end very quickly, and both of those have happened with the same strain... shrug).

But anything that evens out the huge effing disparity between affluent people who use and poor people who use the same effing herb is cool by my standards. Hell, my SO had a freaking narc in his private college.

Seriously. There was a kid paid by the cops (small freaking town that college was in) to rat on whoever he could find. That's money well effing spent, right? And of course of the kids who got hit before everyone figured out who it was, only those with families who couldn't afford a decent lawyer got f--ked. No more federal student loans or grants, kid, you smoked up! Of course, unlike your peers who could afford lawyers, you actually *need* them... Sigh...

Plus, since there's a plethora of hydro stores in my state since medical marijuana passed, I can get awesome liquid nutrients for my container plants at competitive prices! Yeah, I'm sure the people I met suffering from chemo aftereffects are happy too, but *I* got a medical marijuana discount for my growlight! (Because the clerk said we "shouldn't be penalized for growing tomatoes").


CSB there pothead
 
2012-11-09 11:37:06 PM  

Brainsick: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses.
1.Banks are forbidden to do business with them.
2.The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses.
3. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions.
4. Local governments can ban them.
5. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

1. Citation needed. And there are always credit unions.
2. False. False. False. If nothing else, there is the "Other Income" section of the 1040.
3. They might, that hasn't been decided yet. (WA)
4. Uh...whafark? Citation please.
5. True, but they haven't "busted all" the medical grows that have been legalized, so you'll have to do better to put a scare into rational, thinking, responsible adults

/Thinking about opening a bed/breakfast/hemp farm (think Napa Valley, but with MJ) in 5 years or so


Not fighting, just wanted to offer alternate interpretations/clarifications of the text in these two points:

1. I don't know what he's talking about but here in San Diego, the dispensaries (which have survived the shut downs) are not allowed to use credit cards any longer due to some federal regulation. Perhaps that is what he or she means by "banks".

4. Local governments have actually banned Medical dispensaries by changing the zoning laws to disallow it. I think Del Mar is one of them.

Sorry I don't have citations for you, it was just on the news quite a bit so we saw it all the time. Easily Googled, I'm sure. Just try "crackdown on san diego dispensaries" or something like that. You should get plenty.
 
2012-11-09 11:57:32 PM  

Brainsick: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses.
1.Banks are forbidden to do business with them.
2.The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses.
3. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions.
4. Local governments can ban them.
5. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

1. Citation needed. And there are always credit unions.
2. False. False. False. If nothing else, there is the "Other Income" section of the 1040.
3. They might, that hasn't been decided yet. (WA)
4. Uh...whafark? Citation please.
5. True, but they haven't "busted all" the medical grows that have been legalized, so you'll have to do better to put a scare into rational, thinking, responsible adults

/Thinking about opening a bed/breakfast/hemp farm (think Napa Valley, but with MJ) in 5 years or so


Regarding your no. 4, for example, Fort Collins banned medical marijuana dispensaries 2 years ago, I think it was. Other towns can do the same. However, Fort Collins just voted to reverse this and allow it now with this election, so there's that. The new amendment does allow for the same regarding the non-medical as well, so I imagine it's gonna be a mess with towns changing their minds as they see what happens with others.
 
2012-11-10 12:01:12 AM  
"Pot tourists" or as we used to call them...snow boarders.
 
2012-11-10 12:34:54 AM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is a DJ is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars students, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly because smoking weed from time to time gives me perspective and helps me relax.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)


/professor
//smokes weed
 
2012-11-10 12:45:21 AM  

Sgygus: GrizzlyPouch: genuinely concerned

Altitude sickness is exacerbated by alcohol or smoke. If you are planning any hard exercise, you should spend a few days acclimatizing yourself. Also, don't try skiing if you have congestive heart failure.

/most healthy people just get a headache


He is correct Grizzly. When friends visit from sea level I make it a point to do a few things.

1. Warn them that alcohol is going to kick their asses due to the altitude change.
2. Warn them to be careful taking a stair case. Even a single flight of 10 steps or so and you will feel it, again, if you are coming from sea level.
3. Let them know that if they do get adjusted to it after a few weeks, going back down to sea level is a freaking blast. So much oxygen that it feels like you can run forever.
 
2012-11-10 12:46:19 AM  
It's okay. 90% of them will travel to Boulder which is already so full of stoner lesbian witches no one will notice.
 
2012-11-10 12:50:02 AM  
So I live in Washington. I don't smoke pot (but I used to when I was younger). My only 2 concerns with it are people driving while under the influence of it. I don't care what anyone says, you don't think straight or have good reflexes while high. However, this is no different than alcohol other than the testing for it which is an issue. Also, I don't agree with smoking in public (although I guess this isn't an issue with the current law). I don't agree with people possibly getting others in their vicinity high. I'm in full support of legalization, but these 2 issues do concern me. Any users want to weigh in on this?
 
2012-11-10 01:13:57 AM  

PillsHere: So I live in Washington. I don't smoke pot (but I used to when I was younger). My only 2 concerns with it are people driving while under the influence of it. I don't care what anyone says, you don't think straight or have good reflexes while high. However, this is no different than alcohol other than the testing for it which is an issue. Also, I don't agree with smoking in public (although I guess this isn't an issue with the current law). I don't agree with people possibly getting others in their vicinity high. I'm in full support of legalization, but these 2 issues do concern me. Any users want to weigh in on this?


Why are you so convinced it affects your reaction time and thinking to any great degree? All studies indicate otherwise. Most people who are totally blazed simply won't drive until they sober up enough to feel safe.

Regardless, simple impairment testing is enough to determine if someone is too farked up on anything to drive.

Why don't you agree with smoking in public? What about vaping or eating? No one has ever gotten high from a joint being passed around a few feet from them in open air.

I hear these 'concerns' all the time and they seem like reaching.
 
2012-11-10 01:16:01 AM  
You can get high from being near someone smoking like you can get drunk by sitting in a bar.
 
2012-11-10 01:38:23 AM  

lewismarktwo: PillsHere: So I live in Washington. I don't smoke pot (but I used to when I was younger). My only 2 concerns with it are people driving while under the influence of it. I don't care what anyone says, you don't think straight or have good reflexes while high. However, this is no different than alcohol other than the testing for it which is an issue. Also, I don't agree with smoking in public (although I guess this isn't an issue with the current law). I don't agree with people possibly getting others in their vicinity high. I'm in full support of legalization, but these 2 issues do concern me. Any users want to weigh in on this?

Why are you so convinced it affects your reaction time and thinking to any great degree? All studies indicate otherwise. Most people who are totally blazed simply won't drive until they sober up enough to feel safe.

Regardless, simple impairment testing is enough to determine if someone is too farked up on anything to drive.

Why don't you agree with smoking in public? What about vaping or eating? No one has ever gotten high from a joint being passed around a few feet from them in open air.

I hear these 'concerns' all the time and they seem like reaching.


That's why I specified smoking in public. I don't care if people eat it, but I don't want to be sitting outside next to someone smoking it (same with cigarettes though). As far as the other issue, my experience has been that I don't believe people think straight or react fast when smoking weed. Maybe it's just me and everyone I've ever been around who has been high though... I'm not saying it's impossible to not get in an accident since that's not true. I've been in cars with plenty of people who were high. However, in retrospect I think that it was dumb decision on my part.

Either way, I support the legalization of pot, but it doesn't mean I don't have concerns about it. Hell I'm drunk right now typing this so it only feeds into my belief that it is hypocritical to be illegal.
 
2012-11-10 01:46:21 AM  

Brainsick: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses.
1.Banks are forbidden to do business with them.
2.The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses.
3. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions.
4. Local governments can ban them.
5. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

1. Citation needed. And there are always credit unions.
2. False. False. False. If nothing else, there is the "Other Income" section of the 1040.
3. They might, that hasn't been decided yet. (WA)
4. Uh...whafark? Citation please.
5. True, but they haven't "busted all" the medical grows that have been legalized, so you'll have to do better to put a scare into rational, thinking, responsible adults

/Thinking about opening a bed/breakfast/hemp farm (think Napa Valley, but with MJ) in 5 years or so


With 1, 2, and 5 it is certainly about enforcement of applicable laws. There are plenty of laws on the books about profiting from illegal activity and money laundering.

3. Want to open up a dispensary or similar facility near a school or daycare? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. period. I'd be very surprised if zoning laws don't become extremely prohibitive.

4. Dude, there are plenty of places in the US where one cannot buy or sell alcohol, which is legal to possess and use in the US. It will be many years before pot is legal nationwide, and even then there will be ordinances against growing and selling in many locales.

The businesses will be difficult and expensive to run. They will mostly be poor investments and there will be tangly legal issues for years into the future. If you can get one up and running with respect/support of law enforcement and keep your ducks in a row, you can probably be profitable. But if you are extremely successful, you raise your profile and you become a target on the radar of federal agencies, local law enforcement, prohibitionists of various stripes, and your competition. Don't be tempted to see the world of pot selling through rose-colored bong water.
 
2012-11-10 02:02:41 AM  

PillsHere: lewismarktwo: PillsHere: ...


You're being entirely too reasonable. Stop it.
 
2012-11-10 02:04:56 AM  

pineapplesherbet: I live in CO at 8500 feet and I suggest nobody get high or drunk at a high altitude unless they've been here for about a week. Every year somebody dies from it. There isn't enough oxygen in your bloodstream until your body figures out how it works. Get drunk or high and oxygen to your brain or heart can get shut off suddenly.

/PSA


I'm not sure about the death part, but I have had some serious tolerance issues at altitude. Heading from Chicago to Aspen and trying to knock 'em back like I was home makes for an interesting afternoon when you end up hammered and you expected to have a light buzz.
 
2012-11-10 02:23:53 AM  

ZAZ: other states begin to hop on the gravy train

There is no gravy train. Pot tourism only works when "legal" pot is rare. Divide number of stoners willing to travel by number of states where they can smoke.

Around here people were saying casinos will be great look at how much money Connecticut makes. But the total number of gamblers doesn't get much bigger if Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire all have casinos.


So... are any of these casinos likely to go broke?

That's what I thought.

It's amazing how dumb people get when confronted with an idea they find offensive. Casinos get built in adjoining states so those states can get in on the gravy train that's running next door. They want to exploit their own citizens, instead of letting the state next door do it. It will be the same with legal pot.
 
2012-11-10 02:29:35 AM  

Klom Dark: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

fark that shiat, there's a lot of companies out there that don't test for weed. While weed make stupid people stupider, smart, cerebral engineer/designer types use it to enhance their thought process. Companies will start losing their best talent if they don't wake the fark up.


Whenever somewhat expresses concern for drug testing as a problem for legalization, it's pretty likely they're admitting to working a McJob. It's only low-level grunt employment and certain safety-vital workers like truck drivers and pilots who get tested. If you're making much above minimum wage, you probably aren't getting tested.
 
2012-11-10 02:35:50 AM  
Hmmm I have a concussion and I*'m smoking as much as I can, legally. Helping or hurting? Let's see how smart you farkers really are.

/I'm not sure I know the answer
 
2012-11-10 03:26:04 AM  

Zombie DJ: I may move or work from home then. Look, I'm 44. I've seen a lot.
I don't care if you smoke it, but every single farking person I've come into contact with that smokes weed is so farking stupid they can't hold a conversation longer than 5 minutes.
Out of the, say, 20 people I know and/or talk to each day (co-workers, regulars, etc.) only 3 of them don't piss me off regularly.
Meh, who knows. Maybe this'll open up the job market for people who show up everyday for work.
(DJ's are a dying breed anyway)

I think the problem is you.
 
2012-11-10 03:26:55 AM  

nich0lai: Hmmm I have a concussion and I*'m smoking as much as I can, legally. Helping or hurting? Let's see how smart you farkers really are.

/I'm not sure I know the answer


Smoke another one and get back to us. It should help.
 
2012-11-10 03:36:20 AM  
It's honestly a good question. Research shows THC is neuroprotective in brain injury. Subjectively it can help the dizzyness nausea/headache, sometimes it hurts. However the studies I saw with a single dose saving 25% of neurons compared to the injured brains without thc 30 min after injury, I have a hard time changing habits.

/on it as an immunosuppressive/inflammation fighter, yeah, ibuprofen may work better, no real idea, I can't take it.
 
2012-11-10 03:43:02 AM  

PillsHere: So I live in Washington. I don't smoke pot (but I used to when I was younger). My only 2 concerns with it are people driving while under the influence of it. I don't care what anyone says, you don't think straight or have good reflexes while high. However, this is no different than alcohol other than the testing for it which is an issue. Also, I don't agree with smoking in public (although I guess this isn't an issue with the current law). I don't agree with people possibly getting others in their vicinity high. I'm in full support of legalization, but these 2 issues do concern me. Any users want to weigh in on this?


There's nothing really difficult with dealing with pot, since there are already laws covering legal drugs that can be applied in both cases. Impaired driving is already illegal, so pot wouldn't be any different than alcohol, aside from not having an easy breathilizer style test available, so you have to use standard tests. As for smoking in public, it is already illegal to smoke cigarettes in restaurants, bars, and within 25 feet of an entrance to a building, so you just expand the existing tobacco law to cover marijuana.
 
2012-11-10 03:43:46 AM  
This will happen. Because Jim Stafford predicted this coming decades ago! Y'all come back now, ya hear?
 
2012-11-10 03:56:42 AM  

nich0lai: It's honestly a good question. Research shows THC is neuroprotective in brain injury. Subjectively it can help the dizzyness nausea/headache, sometimes it hurts. However the studies I saw with a single dose saving 25% of neurons compared to the injured brains without thc 30 min after injury, I have a hard time changing habits.

/on it as an immunosuppressive/inflammation fighter, yeah, ibuprofen may work better, no real idea, I can't take it.


I used to suffer migraines and a single hit of quality weed was the only thing that helped. Dunno why but if you've ever had a migraine you know you'll try anything.
I also can't take ibuprofen or acetominophan.
 
2012-11-10 08:20:55 AM  

Brainsick: BarkingUnicorn: It's going to be tough to establish and run these businesses.
1.Banks are forbidden to do business with them.
2.The IRS won't allow any deductions for business expenses.
3. State regs will require expensive security measures and impose location restrictions.
4. Local governments can ban them.
5. The feds may bust them at any time.

I can think of better investments.

1. Citation needed. And there are always credit unions.
2. False. False. False. If nothing else, there is the "Other Income" section of the 1040.
3. They might, that hasn't been decided yet. (WA)
4. Uh...whafark? Citation please.
5. True, but they haven't "busted all" the medical grows that have been legalized, so you'll have to do better to put a scare into rational, thinking, responsible adults

/Thinking about opening a bed/breakfast/hemp farm (think Napa Valley, but with MJ) in 5 years or so


Yep, Colorado's MMJ dispensaries are exploring a credit union. The last bank in the state that would do business with them stopped in 2011. But credit unions are under the same federal cloud as banks. Link

The rest of your reply just proves that Republicans aren't the only ones in denial.
 
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2012-11-10 09:55:46 AM  
knobmaker: If you're making much above minimum wage, you probably aren't getting tested.

Some major companies in high tech do at least pre-employment drug testing. In my area IBM and EMC do, Intel does not (at least for non-manufacturing jobs). Some of my info may be out of date; these statements were once true.

The federal government expects contractors to have a drug compliance plan. Testing everybody is a good way to score points. If they don't test they have to act on drug offense convictions. I bet the federal agencies who wrote the rules didn't plan for a case where even lower class people could get away with smoking in public.
 
2012-11-10 10:30:40 AM  

GBmanNC: Gig103: Until the court rules if a work-related drug test can get you fired if you smoked in CO or WA, I can't imagine it's going to change for a lot of people.

Good for those states for regulating and taxing it. Less money to the cartels.

An employer can test you for tobacco or alcohol and base hiring decisions on that if they so choose to. Why would marijuana be any different in requiring a law (besides the fact there is no power to pass such a law)? Marijuana testing will change when it becomes so common place that finding employees becomes more of a burden.


Well, Vail Resorts and most of the employers in this valley give up on pre-employment drug screening years ago - for the ski company, it happened when they could not find employees to staff their restaurants, chairlift attendants, ticket sellers and taker, etc. Of course, if you have an accident, they test you, then sack you, but that's pretty much par for the course, and is reasonable.

None of our family businesses ever tested. Managers just flat out said that their being stoned was not an issue, only their honesty on the job. As a shop owner, an employee who takes a whiff at lunch and is otherwise an exemplary employee is not nearly as much an issue as one who gets drunk at lunch then steals a couple hundred bucks of stuff a week. The Christmas parties were EPIC as you can imagine.
 
2012-11-10 03:07:21 PM  

bmwericus: Of course, if you have an accident, they test you, then sack you, but that's pretty much par for the course, and is reasonable.


I really don't see how that's reasonable at all. So one worker tokes up one night, screws up on the job three days later, is tested and sacked because of something that sits in his system for weeks and has zero correlation with his job performance that day and you call that reasonable?

I guess we still have a little ways to go yet until some people stop blaming weed.
 
2012-11-10 04:15:27 PM  
I really don't see how that's reasonable at all. So one worker tokes up one night, screws up on the job three days later, is tested and sacked because of something that sits in his system for weeks and has zero correlation with his job performance that day and you call that reasonable?

I guess we still have a little ways to go yet until some people stop blaming weed.


I wake up stoned. Literally. I'd imagine most people with med cards do if they eat a lot of edibles. There are some days i'm a totally useless all day from it and I barely feel altered if at all. Today comes to mind.

Then again one very important job I had I was stoned every day all day for years, I came sober one day and they asked if I was high! Depends on your usage, so yes, I would say sacking an employee in certain circumstances is fine. I don't want my airline pilots flying high nor would I want a judge high, though I have smoked with one. I go to work sober mostly these days if I work for someone else. I am a better employee if I have to interact with people.
 
2012-11-10 10:31:11 PM  

nich0lai: I really don't see how that's reasonable at all. So one worker tokes up one night, screws up on the job three days later, is tested and sacked because of something that sits in his system for weeks and has zero correlation with his job performance that day and you call that reasonable?

I guess we still have a little ways to go yet until some people stop blaming weed.


I wake up stoned. Literally. I'd imagine most people with med cards do if they eat a lot of edibles. There are some days i'm a totally useless all day from it and I barely feel altered if at all. Today comes to mind.

Then again one very important job I had I was stoned every day all day for years, I came sober one day and they asked if I was high! Depends on your usage, so yes, I would say sacking an employee in certain circumstances is fine. I don't want my airline pilots flying high nor would I want a judge high, though I have smoked with one. I go to work sober mostly these days if I work for someone else. I am a better employee if I have to interact with people.


Yeah, but you sound like the exception to the rule. Most people simply toke up in their off time and go to work completely sober. Those people in particular, at the very least, don't deserve to lose their jobs just because a drug test says they used cannabis at some point in time.
 
2012-11-11 02:21:56 AM  

nich0lai: I really don't see how that's reasonable at all. So one worker tokes up one night, screws up on the job three days later, is tested and sacked because of something that sits in his system for weeks and has zero correlation with his job performance that day and you call that reasonable?

I guess we still have a little ways to go yet until some people stop blaming weed.


I wake up stoned. Literally. I'd imagine most people with med cards do if they eat a lot of edibles. There are some days i'm a totally useless all day from it and I barely feel altered if at all. Today comes to mind.

Then again one very important job I had I was stoned every day all day for years, I came sober one day and they asked if I was high! Depends on your usage, so yes, I would say sacking an employee in certain circumstances is fine. I don't want my airline pilots flying high nor would I want a judge high, though I have smoked with one. I go to work sober mostly these days if I work for someone else. I am a better employee if I have to interact with people.


So you're lying.

I take edibles daily for the past 3 years and I can guarantee that unless you're doing a hell of a lot more than edibles and you're only sleeping a couple hours before leaving for work that, no, you are not high.

I take edibles (pills/drinks/foods) for sleeplessness and I have never, ever woken up high. I sleep all night, I dream and I wake up feeling awesome unlike the last five sleeping pills I was prescribed.

The exception is when I drink with it...then all bets are off because I wake up groggy.

You sound like someone who has never taken the drug about which you are speaking and spouting out rhetoric you know nothing about.

If you're waking up high off of edibles, then you need to sleep more than 3 hours after eating them.
 
2012-11-11 11:31:31 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: shtychkn:
States well still do the work. Tax records for sales used to convict Sellers and growers of federal crimes.

Listen to yourself. States will turn over taxpaying citizens to the Feds, who are no longer allowed to pay them anything back in return? Why, exactly?


Not the citizen who buys a joint, the business that sells it. That business has to file with the IRS and state tax agency. And a federal court can compel a state agency to turn over documents that are needed for a federal trial.
 
2012-11-12 09:41:35 AM  

rhiannon: Cletus C.: Suck it, rest of the country. No wait, I will suck it. And suck it legally.

The discussion is about marijuana, not gay marriage.


In Washington it's about both.
 
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