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(Times Live South Africa)   Straight from the "Cry Me A River" files: Anders Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist who killed 77 people, mostly teenagers, complains that he cannot change the channel on his TV without help from guards and that his coffee is too cold   (timeslive.co.za) divider line 26
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2012-11-09 01:01:38 PM
3 votes:

Saruman_W: mittromneysdog: It's funny how everything is relative.

I strongly object to America's treatment of prisoners. The "prison is supposed to be bad" rationale has been taken way too far. Prison life in America is fairly described as "hell on Earth." It is unacceptable for a country that purports to be civilized.

I don't have extensive knowledge of prison life in Norway. From what I do know, it is clear that Norway treats its prisoners way better than does America. So when I hear Anders Brevik complain that he has trouble changing his channel, and that his coffee is cold, response is "prison is supposed to be bad, so STFU."

Punishing criminals the way they deserve to be punished is no reflection of what's "civilized". Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety. People like this guy deserve to live out a hellish existence for the rest of their days.If they aren't thinking of suicide on a daily basis then you simply aren't treating them properly. You should never treat a murderer like a person, only as an animal because that is what they are.


The justice system isn't about punishment. It's about public safety. Prisoners are human beings and no amount of denial will change that. In the west we have very clear values about the treatment of human beings. These values apply to all members of our society. Extreme punishment like you advocate undermines any claims we can make of being civilized.
2012-11-09 12:28:29 PM
3 votes:
oh no, his cell is sparsely decorated and has no view... :'(
well, let's give him the same accomodations that his victims now have.
pine box, surrounded on all sides by dirt. no window.
2012-11-09 12:29:08 PM
2 votes:
It's funny how everything is relative.

I strongly object to America's treatment of prisoners. The "prison is supposed to be bad" rationale has been taken way too far. Prison life in America is fairly described as "hell on Earth." It is unacceptable for a country that purports to be civilized.

I don't have extensive knowledge of prison life in Norway. From what I do know, it is clear that Norway treats its prisoners way better than does America. So when I hear Anders Brevik complain that he has trouble changing his channel, and that his coffee is cold, response is "prison is supposed to be bad, so STFU."
2012-11-09 12:19:28 PM
2 votes:
If they don't want the death penalty, fine. I'm against it in most cases, but I'd have no problem with this guy getting the needle.

However, why the hell does this guy get coffee and a TV? Prison loaf and water three times a day. If he doesn't like it, maybe they can give him a pamphlet called "How to tie knots with a bed sheet".
2012-11-09 12:19:06 PM
2 votes:
The Norwegians are good people. Sometimes too good. But don't piss them off too much or they'll go all Viking on your ass.
2012-11-09 03:45:01 PM
1 votes:
When I heard the radio say that Breivik was complaining about cold coffee, I turned to my flatmate who was also listening, and said:

"Do you know why they only let him have cold coffee?"

"Why?" she asked.

I got an empty cup and pretended to toss the contents at her, as a joke, and said that near boiling water is a weapon, and you can't trust a person who has killed dozens of people not to do exactly what I just did to a guard, with boiling hot coffee.

///Prisoners have a lot of down time to think about what could be used as a weapon to maim or kill someone they hate. They have a lot of down time to think about what could be secretly mashed up in a plastic bag and turned into an alcoholic beverage too, and the results are usually even MORE revolting than Bud Light!
2012-11-09 03:35:47 PM
1 votes:
Anders, you're yesterday's news. Just rot in prison already for the rest of your natural life and stop bothering everyone else.
2012-11-09 02:35:50 PM
1 votes:
I still can't believe he got that many people.
2012-11-09 01:15:14 PM
1 votes:

mittromneysdog: Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.

This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.


Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.
2012-11-09 01:13:55 PM
1 votes:

CrappityCrap: Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.


Remind us all who has the lower rate of violent crime and recidivism, the US or Norway?
2012-11-09 01:02:00 PM
1 votes:
the concept in Norway and a few other countries around there is that, MOST (not all) criminals will be returning to society at one time or another. Better to teach them how to be human and get along by going along rather than allow them to hone a woodie for vengeance and getting schooled in how to be a better criminal.

Not a bad idea and it seems to work better than anything our "civilized" culture has developed.

I think we ought to give it a whirl someday
2012-11-09 12:54:27 PM
1 votes:

Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.


This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.
2012-11-09 12:53:27 PM
1 votes:
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2012-11-09 12:48:40 PM
1 votes:

Nurglitch: To be fair, keeping him somewhat comfortable in a small box is better than following his example of killing. Better in the sense of both claiming the moral high ground, and in the sense letting him reap the full measure of his sin.


Key word there being "somewhat." If he's got nutritious food, all the water he can drink, access to reasonable exercise, social interaction, health care, sanitation, and basic activities to occupy his mind, I don't give a rat's ass that his coffee is cold. I
2012-11-09 12:44:09 PM
1 votes:
To be fair, keeping him somewhat comfortable in a small box is better than following his example of killing. Better in the sense of both claiming the moral high ground, and in the sense letting him reap the full measure of his sin.
2012-11-09 12:41:24 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: Ah, it's our daily "feed the vengeance vultures" story.


I have a feeling we agree in principle on humane treatment of prisoners. Even the worst offenders, like Brevik. I vehemently oppose America's long term isolation supermax prisons, and secure housing units. I think it's terrific that Norway's government has gone out of its way to find someone to play checkers with the man.

And yet, I cannot bring myself to care that his coffee is too cold. Nor would I care too much if his checkerboard was old and faded.

I mean, have a sense of perspective.
2012-11-09 12:38:40 PM
1 votes:
Maybe they should grant an international visit to San Quentin Penitentiary. Show him what a REAL prison is like, not the farking resort he is staying in now.
2012-11-09 12:38:18 PM
1 votes:
Why can't the guards just disappear this guy?
2012-11-09 12:26:05 PM
1 votes:
Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.
2012-11-09 12:25:47 PM
1 votes:

ChipNASA: Nightsweat: Pocket Ninja: special20: 24/7 Hitler channel

Actually, for this particular guy, a 24/7 Hitler channel would probably be, at the very least, acceptable.

24/7 Dr. Phil. The Lifetime Chanel for Women.


I don't think you people even own TVs. Clearly the worst punishment is the TV guide channel which has listings on the bottom half and really terrible shows, sometimes a 4:3 source, stretched to fit the top half.
2012-11-09 12:21:49 PM
1 votes:
Recipe:

One remote control, pureed in a blender
One gallon of boiling coffee(at least 300 degrees, preferably)

Mix thoroughly and pour solution into enema bag. Attach enema kit to a 5HP air compressor(not included).

Serve.
2012-11-09 12:19:41 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: special20: 24/7 Hitler channel

Actually, for this particular guy, a 24/7 Hitler channel would probably be, at the very least, acceptable.


24/7 Dr. Phil.
2012-11-09 12:19:41 PM
1 votes:

m1ke: He'll only have to suffer in these conditions for a few more months until they let him out of jail and declare him "rehabilitated".


I have my strongest doubt that's going to happen. We may have a pretty liberal justice system here, but this guy is not going to be released for years (if ever, after all he got containment meaning we can keep him locked up indefinitely)
2012-11-09 12:17:09 PM
1 votes:
The biggest injustice is that he's in the cell instead of two metres beneath.
2012-11-09 12:14:51 PM
1 votes:
It's nothing a good prison raping can't fix
2012-11-09 12:14:48 PM
1 votes:
terrorists love biatching about their bad treatment. Wah, my coffee is cold. Boohoo, you took my hook hands.
Fark off
 
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