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(Times Live South Africa)   Straight from the "Cry Me A River" files: Anders Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist who killed 77 people, mostly teenagers, complains that he cannot change the channel on his TV without help from guards and that his coffee is too cold   (timeslive.co.za) divider line 105
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2012-11-09 12:46:07 PM

jigger: Moisturizer, huh?


don't get him started on his tissue supply
 
2012-11-09 12:46:52 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-09 12:47:22 PM

mittromneysdog: It's funny how everything is relative.

I strongly object to America's treatment of prisoners. The "prison is supposed to be bad" rationale has been taken way too far. Prison life in America is fairly described as "hell on Earth." It is unacceptable for a country that purports to be civilized.

I don't have extensive knowledge of prison life in Norway. From what I do know, it is clear that Norway treats its prisoners way better than does America. So when I hear Anders Brevik complain that he has trouble changing his channel, and that his coffee is cold, response is "prison is supposed to be bad, so STFU."


Punishing criminals the way they deserve to be punished is no reflection of what's "civilized". Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety. People like this guy deserve to live out a hellish existence for the rest of their days. If they aren't thinking of suicide on a daily basis then you simply aren't treating them properly. You should never treat a murderer like a person, only as an animal because that is what they are.
 
2012-11-09 12:47:38 PM

groppet: If I ever go on a crime spree it will be there. Do you get conjucal visits?


/Too lazy to find picture from OfficeSpace during backyard BBQ with the lawyer.
 
2012-11-09 12:48:40 PM

Nurglitch: To be fair, keeping him somewhat comfortable in a small box is better than following his example of killing. Better in the sense of both claiming the moral high ground, and in the sense letting him reap the full measure of his sin.


Key word there being "somewhat." If he's got nutritious food, all the water he can drink, access to reasonable exercise, social interaction, health care, sanitation, and basic activities to occupy his mind, I don't give a rat's ass that his coffee is cold. I
 
2012-11-09 12:50:05 PM
He needs a steaming cup of Timmy's applied to his crotch.
 
2012-11-09 12:53:27 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-09 12:54:27 PM

Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.


This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.
 
2012-11-09 01:01:38 PM

Saruman_W: mittromneysdog: It's funny how everything is relative.

I strongly object to America's treatment of prisoners. The "prison is supposed to be bad" rationale has been taken way too far. Prison life in America is fairly described as "hell on Earth." It is unacceptable for a country that purports to be civilized.

I don't have extensive knowledge of prison life in Norway. From what I do know, it is clear that Norway treats its prisoners way better than does America. So when I hear Anders Brevik complain that he has trouble changing his channel, and that his coffee is cold, response is "prison is supposed to be bad, so STFU."

Punishing criminals the way they deserve to be punished is no reflection of what's "civilized". Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety. People like this guy deserve to live out a hellish existence for the rest of their days.If they aren't thinking of suicide on a daily basis then you simply aren't treating them properly. You should never treat a murderer like a person, only as an animal because that is what they are.


The justice system isn't about punishment. It's about public safety. Prisoners are human beings and no amount of denial will change that. In the west we have very clear values about the treatment of human beings. These values apply to all members of our society. Extreme punishment like you advocate undermines any claims we can make of being civilized.
 
2012-11-09 01:02:00 PM
the concept in Norway and a few other countries around there is that, MOST (not all) criminals will be returning to society at one time or another. Better to teach them how to be human and get along by going along rather than allow them to hone a woodie for vengeance and getting schooled in how to be a better criminal.

Not a bad idea and it seems to work better than anything our "civilized" culture has developed.

I think we ought to give it a whirl someday
 
2012-11-09 01:05:50 PM
They should just play him an endless loop of all the campaign ads we've had to endure the last few months.
 
2012-11-09 01:12:03 PM
With no moisturizer all 'round his cell, he's having a hard time turning Japanese.
 
2012-11-09 01:13:55 PM

CrappityCrap: Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.


Remind us all who has the lower rate of violent crime and recidivism, the US or Norway?
 
2012-11-09 01:15:14 PM

mittromneysdog: Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.

This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.


Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.
 
2012-11-09 01:20:58 PM
I read the headline as Norwegian tourist and was thinking "I really need to avoid this hotel."
 
2012-11-09 01:22:26 PM
If you're not going to have the death penalty, then IMO you're agreeing to treat your prisoners with some level still of human decency. The guy deserves to be removed from society forever, but I am not ok with state-sponsored torture of the guy. Don't even think for a second I am saying cold coffee and no view is torture, fark that. But the underlying mentality that seems to exist is that it'd be ok if the guy WAS being tortured on a daily basis. His whines about the coffee and view and TV are assinine and he can STFU about those. If his cuffs really do cut him, then fix that. I personally am against the death penalty due to possivility of error. This case doesn't have that possibility. Locking him up forever seems cruel and unusual to me. I know Norway has different laws than the US, but I see nothing gained by locking him up and throwing away the key. Just kill the guy. ALL he can do now is one day flip out and kill a guard or another inmate. Is just killing him more merciful than locking him up forever? Maybe. But is being better than criminals such a bad thing?
 
2012-11-09 01:23:14 PM

Saruman_W: And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.


Yeah! Like anywhere else in the world outside of China and the Muslim theocracies!
 
2012-11-09 01:24:01 PM

generallyso: CrappityCrap: Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.

Remind us all who has the lower rate of violent crime and recidivism, the US or Norway?


Well now such a low violent crime rate's much easier to achieve when you have a fairly low population density which also lacks a large community of people of African descent with the propensity to commit these violent crimes, yes?
 
2012-11-09 01:29:40 PM

Saruman_W: mittromneysdog: Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.

This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.

Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.


You're a useless human being. There. I've judged you, so now I get to abuse you as much as I want, right?
 
2012-11-09 01:30:34 PM
Suck it, Breivik. Suck it long, suck it hard.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:45 PM
Google translation and Norwegian original article on what ABB is complaining about...

static.vg.no
..things like having to use a pen that's limp, and that makes it oh so hard for him to become a famous author

He's doing time in the Norwegian equivalent of a US supermax prison. Off course we won't let him have anything that can be used as a weapon or tool to hurt himself of others with - and if we let him out among the general prison population he'll be dead in an hour. We don't want him dead in an hour - we want him to sit in those bare cells with no view for years and years while the world forgets him and makes him irrelevant.

As one of the columnist in a major Norwegian paper said; the important thing for ABB is to be in the centre of attention. Not being in the limelight is to him unbearable. I'm fine with that...

But since he is complaining about not getting letters, I'm also fine if some Farkers wants to print out those threads we had about how wonderful Norwegian prisons are...
 
2012-11-09 01:33:46 PM

CrappityCrap: generallyso: CrappityCrap: Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.

Remind us all who has the lower rate of violent crime and recidivism, the US or Norway?

Well now such a low violent crime rate's much easier to achieve when you have a fairly low population density which also lacks a large community of people of African descent with the propensity to commit these violent crimes, yes?


oh lawd.
 
2012-11-09 01:39:51 PM

ChipNASA: Well to be fair, he DID rid the world of an assload of whiny, socialist, privileged, self-absorbed,teenagers...so he's got that going for him......which is nice.


Extry! Extry! Worthless sack of crap defends other worthless sack of crap!
 
2012-11-09 02:09:08 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: Saruman_W: mittromneysdog: Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.

This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.

Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.

You're a useless human being. There. I've judged you, so now I get to abuse you as much as I want, right?


Wuh... ? Last I checked I haven't committed any massacres, or raped any women. Being useless isn't a crime anyway. I'm talking about proven criminals here not random finger pointing. No one's disputing the fact this guy's guilty, he's proud of what he did and will admit it.
 
2012-11-09 02:11:53 PM
I'm reminded of the time Terry Nichols complained about not getting food in line with his religious needs or some such horse shiat. If I remember properly, he was pretty much just laughed at. Now it's entirely up to Norway what they want to do, but I recommend making his coffee even COLDER.
 
2012-11-09 02:13:37 PM

Saruman_W: LowbrowDeluxe: Saruman_W: mittromneysdog: Saruman_W: Those arguments reeks heavily of self-righteous naivety.

This argument reeks heavily of barely disguised abusive ad hominem. That you would make such an argument reflects poorly on your moral character, and, consequently, your competency to adjudge prisoner treatment.

Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.

You're a useless human being. There. I've judged you, so now I get to abuse you as much as I want, right?

Wuh... ? Last I checked I haven't committed any massacres, or raped any women. Being useless isn't a crime anyway. I'm talking about proven criminals here not random finger pointing. No one's disputing the fact this guy's guilty, he's proud of what he did and will admit it.


You have been found guilty of the crime of being a useless human being, a crime to which you wholeheartedly confess. You're proud of what you don't do, and even admit it. In a morally upright civilization you would be excruciated and then servitorized, but you sit there and think about what you've failed to do.
 
2012-11-09 02:19:17 PM

Nightsweat: Pocket Ninja: special20: 24/7 Hitler channel

Actually, for this particular guy, a 24/7 Hitler channel would probably be, at the very least, acceptable.

24/7 Dr. Phil.


Hey, hey, hey. Norway is one of the most progressive countries in terms of fair treatment of their prisoners. What you're suggesting is beyond inhumane.
 
2012-11-09 02:31:10 PM
they should give him a remove, but 90% of the time it electrocutes him. 5% of the time it toggles the power on the TV and the other 5% actually does either channel up or channel down (that's random).
 
2012-11-09 02:33:02 PM
No moisturiser???!!??! Quick...someone contact the ICC!
 
2012-11-09 02:35:50 PM
I still can't believe he got that many people.
 
2012-11-09 02:42:26 PM
a daily kick in the nuts of not less than 30 degrees pullback but not more than 75 is what I propose
 
2012-11-09 02:47:27 PM

IlGreven: It's skullkrusher. The Tea Party is too far right for him.


Wait, what? Isn't the Tea Party too far to the right for pretty much everyone who is sane??
 
2012-11-09 02:47:58 PM

Burr: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x600]


excellent reference
+1
 
2012-11-09 02:56:26 PM

RobSeace: IlGreven: It's skullkrusher. The Tea Party is too far right for him.

Wait, what? Isn't the Tea Party too far to the right for pretty much everyone who is sane??


pretty sure he meant something else.
 
2012-11-09 03:05:34 PM

Saruman_W: Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.


Nice strawman. No one said or implied anything like that, nor does anyone here think that.

Saruman_W: When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.


And you clearly don't understand the basic difference between justice and vengeance.
 
2012-11-09 03:09:42 PM

CrappityCrap: Mass murderers sure get nice treatment over there in Norway. Must be nice to be a criminal. Guess they're still trying to figure out this whole "justice' thing.


Um, prison is not 'justice' here, you ignorant swine. It is rehabilitation, and it works better than the US system of treating prisoners like animals.

That said, it is not really designed to deal with mass killers and indefinite detention.
 
2012-11-09 03:14:56 PM

ChipNASA: Well to be fair, he DID rid the world of an assload of whiny, socialist, privileged, self-absorbed,teenagers...so he's got that going for him......which is nice.


Even for Fark that's not funny dude.
 
2012-11-09 03:35:47 PM
Anders, you're yesterday's news. Just rot in prison already for the rest of your natural life and stop bothering everyone else.
 
2012-11-09 03:45:01 PM
When I heard the radio say that Breivik was complaining about cold coffee, I turned to my flatmate who was also listening, and said:

"Do you know why they only let him have cold coffee?"

"Why?" she asked.

I got an empty cup and pretended to toss the contents at her, as a joke, and said that near boiling water is a weapon, and you can't trust a person who has killed dozens of people not to do exactly what I just did to a guard, with boiling hot coffee.

///Prisoners have a lot of down time to think about what could be used as a weapon to maim or kill someone they hate. They have a lot of down time to think about what could be secretly mashed up in a plastic bag and turned into an alcoholic beverage too, and the results are usually even MORE revolting than Bud Light!
 
2012-11-09 04:19:23 PM

Khellendros: Saruman_W: Such a nice, big bleeding heart you have to bestow mercy on someone who would slaughter your entire family right in front of you in delight! Your likely response would be "Oh, it seems you've spilled my family's innards all over the place! You've been a bad boy, go sit in a corner and think about what you've done." with heavy finger wagging.

Nice strawman. No one said or implied anything like that, nor does anyone here think that.

Saruman_W: When it comes to savage criminals, fark their human rights, fark their feelings, as far as I'm concerned they're walking dead. They deserve no shred of mine or anyone else's empathy. They will be treated exactly in the same regard they treated their victims and that is how things SHOULD be. And If you think that's "uncivilized", well then you can take your high horse, snooty bullshiat elsewhere.

And you clearly don't understand the basic difference between justice and vengeance.


It sure comes off in that way.

And vengeance IS a form of justice. It's quite effective and damn is it satisfying. Treating a criminal like a hotel resident isn't justice. It's ridiculous!
 
2012-11-09 04:31:36 PM

Saruman_W: And vengeance IS a form of justice. It's quite effective and damn is it satisfying.


No. Words have meanings. Warping them in your mind doesn't change their definition. Vengeance isn't a form of justice. They have vastly different intents, purposes, actions, and outcomes. They are completely different concepts built on completely different foundations. Substituting one for the other is no different than stuffing a baseball in your mouth. Just because it's round and fits doesn't make it an orange.
 
2012-11-09 04:38:30 PM

joonyer: Recipe:

One remote control, pureed in a blender
One gallon of boiling coffee(at least 300 degrees, preferably)

Mix thoroughly and pour solution into enema bag. Attach enema kit to a 5HP air compressor(not included).

Serve.


Pretty sure 300 degree coffee would melt an enema bag.
 
2012-11-09 05:44:41 PM

Pocket Ninja: special20: 24/7 Hitler channel

Actually, for this particular guy, a 24/7 Hitler channel would probably be, at the very least, acceptable.


Ok, 24/7 Barney and Care Bears, on rotation between the two.
 
2012-11-09 06:50:44 PM

Great Odins Raven: I still can't believe he got that many people.


Neither could he. He had it all planned, and had a kind of timetable for when the police would arrive and probably kill him.

But the police didn't come for ages, so he continued shooting people.

---

The bomb he had placed outside the Social Democratic headquarters however was kinda a dud, he wanted it placed right up to the building, but there were no spaces. Had he succeeded in that, it would have been all Oklahoma bombing, rather than the relatively few he killed compared to the potential of the bomb.

---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_butter_crisis

Yep, the Norwegians are having a new butter crisis (that's what you get for not joining the EU, so you could import some). So that explains why he doesn't get enough butter for his bread.
 
2012-11-09 06:52:16 PM
He should be glad he's not in PMITA American prison.
 
2012-11-09 07:05:00 PM

mittromneysdog: IlGreven: Ah, it's our daily "feed the vengeance vultures" story.

I have a feeling we agree in principle on humane treatment of prisoners. Even the worst offenders, like Brevik. I vehemently oppose America's long term isolation supermax prisons, and secure housing units. I think it's terrific that Norway's government has gone out of its way to find someone to play checkers with the man.

And yet, I cannot bring myself to care that his coffee is too cold. Nor would I care too much if his checkerboard was old and faded.

I mean, have a sense of perspective.


If anyone on this thread, or the media for that matter, had any sense of perspective, no one would be interviewing Brevik at all, and it certainly wouldn't be a Fark greenlight so everyone can say "Wah, wah, nuke him from orbit."
 
2012-11-09 07:05:37 PM

RobSeace: IlGreven: It's skullkrusher. The Tea Party is too far right for him.

Wait, what? Isn't the Tea Party too far to the right for pretty much everyone who is sane??


...oops...sorry, I meant too far left.
 
2012-11-09 09:17:48 PM
I bet the US would give the Norwegians a reasonable rate to keep him in the Florence, Colorado ADX for a year or two. He would never complain about prison conditions in Norway again.
 
2012-11-09 11:55:55 PM
i think he should be able to change the tv channel on his own. IT should all be 1 channel, the TV end of day program bars. And everytime the channel changes (the old 80s style knobs), he gets a rather nasty shock.
 
2012-11-10 12:10:35 AM
Dear media,

Please stop indulging this crazy troll. I do not give half a flying fark what the thinks, wants, or does. Update me only when they accidentally let someone in the general population kill him. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Everyone
 
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