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(Talking Points Memo)   Your schadenfreude for the day: billionaire donors want to change campaign finance laws because they can't tell if SuperPACs squandered their money   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 58
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2012-11-09 01:08:09 PM  
8 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
2012-11-09 10:30:35 AM  
8 votes:
"We weren't able to buy an election, so now we care"

Go f*ck yourselves.
2012-11-09 10:27:51 AM  
7 votes:
Hint: they did
2012-11-09 10:55:19 AM  
5 votes:
In TFA, Friess actually wondered "how many dollars were taken off as fees to the people running them". Politicians and the Supreme Court love their political free-speech-cash so much that they've legalized embezzlement with no enforceable paper trail or tax audit.
2012-11-09 01:44:56 PM  
4 votes:

Lumpmoose: In TFA, Friess actually wondered "how many dollars were taken off as fees to the people running them". Politicians and the Supreme Court love their political free-speech-cash so much that they've legalized embezzlement with no enforceable paper trail or tax audit.


repeating from an earlier thread:

Renart: This is what's so baffling. It's not surprising they were trying to gull the rubes in the heartland through the press, but the campaign itself seems to have had no interest in gathering objective information about the campaign. Incredible.


A lot of political types working for or with the campaign (Rove for example) made a lot of money during it. In the last days left over funds went toward buying TV ads in PA where there was no hope however the buyers of air time still made their fat commissions. In this election I think the political operators appeared to not only be trying to gull the rubes but also the campaign and the big money donors.

Something I wrote in another thread:

hubiestubert: It is a call to arms, not for message, but for cash. Plain and simple.

Follow the money, kids. Always follow the money...


Many do not realize this but most right wing organizations such as Heritage, Town Hall, etc. have become large money makers with their leaders and sometimes fellows and associate making a very nice living. Remember, in this election Carl Rove did very well for himself by telling the rich what they wanted to hear and pretending it was political analysis and strategy.

This is a result from back in the 1970 a fusion of right-wing organizing and direct mail marketing of consumer health and wealth snake oil.

In the most cynical case these schemes don't really care about the political ideology they are selling, only that they can scare a large population into trusting them so they can be fleeced for money.


from: The Long Con: Mail-order conservatism - by Rick Perlstein

"Subscriber lists to ideological organs are pure gold to the third-party interests who rent them as catchments for potential customers. Who better suits a marketing strategy than a group that voluntarily organizes itself according to their most passionately shared beliefs?"

Typical direct marketing Perlstein would receive after signing up to right wing groups:

"Dear Reader, I'm going to tell you something, but you must promise to keep it quiet. You have to understand that the "elite" would not be at all happy with me if they knew what I was about to tell you. That's why we have to tread carefully. You see, while most people are paying attention to the stock market, the banks, brokerages and big institutions have their money somewhere else . . . [in] what I call the hidden money mountain . . . All you have to know is the insider's code (which I'll tell you) and you could make an extra $6,000 every single month."
2012-11-09 01:01:41 PM  
4 votes:
Friess told the Times he'd ideally like a change to campaign finance rules that would allow donors like him to give their big checks directly to candidates.

You know...bribery.
2012-11-09 01:25:07 PM  
3 votes:
Dear Bitter Billionaires,

Campaigns are not 'investment opportunities'. You wanted the rules changed so you could blow absurd levels of money, hundreds of millions of dollars, on what ultimately amounts to a popularity contest.

This is what you chucklefarks WANTED. Go be self-conscious about a colossal farkup in judgement on your remaining tens, if not millions, of dollars.

Sincerely, the 'not-even-middle-class-according-to-you-dipshiats' of American.
2012-11-09 01:13:38 PM  
3 votes:

alizeran: [i46.tinypic.com image 470x400]


vegasjessie.files.wordpress.com

/my dad's full time + benefits Big 3 contractor job (that came *back* from India), well, I'm pretty sure that had jack shiat to do with election spending
2012-11-09 01:10:13 PM  
3 votes:
Nobody cares that the sleazy assholes you hired to usurp the democratic process swindled you.

You lost. Shut up and start paying your farking taxes.
2012-11-09 01:10:03 PM  
3 votes:
It's not the government's job to be regulating businesses. If the SuperPACs are embezzeling money, the free market will put them out of business and less-embezzely ones will take their place
2012-11-09 01:07:17 PM  
3 votes:

ToxicMunkee: Don't worry, Butthurt Billionaire, your money was spent as intended: funding nonstop negative political ads I either muted or fast-forwarded through.


This thread works well with the 'community organizer' thread. I don't think a billionaire wants to pay for a well organized ground game. They want to spend their money and see the results. You can't see thousands of dedicated individuals walking door to door through thousands of neighborhoods so a billionaire doesn't want to spend money on that. They want comercials that echo their views that they can watch. The result are commercials with actors playing the part of a mother acting concerned that a billionaire's taxes might increase.
2012-11-09 01:05:02 PM  
3 votes:
They want to change the rules because their guy lost. If Romney had won, more laws would have been repealed and the debates would have turned into money fights.
2012-11-09 01:04:43 PM  
3 votes:
Would someone who is better at writing funny headlines than I am please submit this story and get it greened? I tried, but my headline was not up to the task. I think it's a cool story, and one that would spark a good conversation.
2012-11-09 12:59:50 PM  
3 votes:
It's a free market. Caveat emptor.
2012-11-09 11:52:50 AM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: "We weren't able to buy an election, so now we care"

Go f*ck yourselves.


Yup. This.
2012-11-09 10:32:16 AM  
3 votes:
Fools and their money.
2012-11-09 02:29:39 PM  
2 votes:
"We want to change a part of the law so we can see what they did with the money, but at the same time, we'd also like to keep the part of the law that says that they don't have to disclose who that money came from."

Well, you're a bunch of rich bastards and the Supreme Court has five assholes on it, so yeah, we can probably get this done for you.
2012-11-09 01:14:18 PM  
2 votes:
So this guy (and others like him) gave millions of dollars to the PACs to stave-off a few percentage points tax increase? Was he promised returns so huge he'd make the Monopoly Guy look like a Dickensian pauper by comparison if Romney won?
2012-11-09 01:08:07 PM  
2 votes:
you got Bained by Rove.
2012-11-09 01:04:37 PM  
2 votes:
Please imaginary lord, let the republican butthurt never stop. This has been the greatest 4 day stretch in Fark history
2012-11-09 01:03:55 PM  
2 votes:
I'm guessing this was a very embezzled election, so big donors are probably right to be upset. But f*ck them. Fools and their money were parted.
2012-11-09 01:01:05 PM  
2 votes:
Wouldn't it be funny if Romney just sucked all the assets out of the Republican party and left the shell for the vultures?

I think that would be funny.
2012-11-09 01:00:13 PM  
2 votes:
I say strike while the iron is hot. Make them put their mouths where their money is.
2012-11-09 12:17:25 PM  
2 votes:

ToxicMunkee: Don't worry, Butthurt Billionaire, your money was spent as intended: funding nonstop negative political ads I either muted or fast-forwarded through.


And I spent your money by hanging up on every taped robocall that I received from your people.

Shiat, I bet I wiped my ass with fifty bucks of yours the week before the election alone.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-09 10:47:33 AM  
2 votes:
So if you are a right wing activist you can create a super-PAC and scam billionaires out of millions legally?

Maybe those right wing cranks are not as stupid as they sound.
2012-11-09 10:32:54 AM  
2 votes:
Don't worry, Butthurt Billionaire, your money was spent as intended: funding nonstop negative political ads I either muted or fast-forwarded through.
2012-11-09 04:59:19 PM  
1 votes:
Don't you see: this was just Karl Rove's version of, "The Producers!"

Step 1: We find the worst play ever written possible candidate.
Step 2: We hire the worst director in town campaign staff imaginable.
Step 3: We raise two four hundred million dollars. ... One for me, one for you. There's a lot of little old ladies rich racist crazies out there!
Step 4: We hire the worst actors in New York and open on Broadway candidates and before you can say
Step 5: We close on Broadway, take our two four hundred million, and go to Rio.
2012-11-09 04:15:59 PM  
1 votes:

Graffito: swankywanky: CapeFearCadaver: /what, I'm supposed to actually RTFAs now?!

how can one keep up? there's a new batch of butthurt coming out every hour for the past three days!

I am so looking forward to going home for Thanksgiving to give some of the hard corr teabagger in-laws a rash of shiate!

I'm spending thanksgiving with the sane side of my family this year. I almost wish I was visiting the wingnuts this time (almost).


fark that shiat. I'm having Thanksgiving this year (and last year was the same) at my house with other 'miscreants' whose families have effectively disowned them for being adults and not following them lock-step on a wide rage of topics.

/we're all in our early/mid-thirties, grounding us doesn't work anymore
2012-11-09 03:53:17 PM  
1 votes:
So what is he asking for? Outright buying of candidates? Government regulation of super-pacs? Maybe an aspirin will help his butthurt.
2012-11-09 03:51:31 PM  
1 votes:
Watching these billionaires call for regulation to protect the fidelity of their political investments is priceless. I guess the free market is good enough for them when they're huckstering billions of dollars from it, but then all of a sudden when they realized they were the sucker getting hosed by the huckster Karl Rove, it's time for a little government intervention.
2012-11-09 02:23:56 PM  
1 votes:
It just keeps coming and coming. This is the best election ever.
2012-11-09 02:17:07 PM  
1 votes:

alizeran: [i46.tinypic.com image 470x400]


the shiat was outsourced, though. remember the story about the Filipino call centers doing the robocalls?
2012-11-09 02:04:35 PM  
1 votes:

monoski: So basically you gave a giant pile of money to a man who looked like a ham wearing glasses and you were told you were buying access to the winning candidate and then he lost and your money appears to have gone down the tubes and the only person who is going to get anything out of this is the guy who brokered the transactions (and the advertisers he gave a lot of it to)


Sounds a lot like how those guys made their money in the first place.
2012-11-09 01:55:48 PM  
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: Wait, you mean they want some regulation?


actually, if you read it, they want even less regulation. essentially they thought that the SC gave them the right to buy off the politicians with a wink-wink. Now they are complaining about the rules that are in the way and want to give a check right to their candidate of choice. so, blatant beyond blatant payoffs.
2012-11-09 01:48:47 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: BMulligan: Would someone who is better at writing funny headlines than I am please submit this story and get it greened? I tried, but my headline was not up to the task. I think it's a cool story, and one that would spark a good conversation.

Well, not my best work...and it probably won't go green given the volume of green lights so far today....


Thanks - I'll keep my fingers crossed.

qorkfiend: Interesting article. I think it's more applicable to 2008


Maybe. The 1892 election didn't have an incumbent winning re-election, so the comparison certainly isn't perfect.
2012-11-09 01:44:36 PM  
1 votes:

dr_blasto: fringedmyotis: ToxicMunkee: Don't worry, Butthurt Billionaire, your money was spent as intended: funding nonstop negative political ads I either muted or fast-forwarded through.

Yep. I stopped watching/listening to any & all political ads after the 2004 election. Spend all you want, jackasses.

It's almost as if these people were so disconnected from reality that they didn't realize how much of the population has DVRs and never watches ANY commercials.


I would like to see some hard data on the effectiveness of those ads. If you are swayed by one, regardless of whom you are supporting, you're kinda stoopid.

Same for robocalling. I called campaign offices and told them if I got another call they'd lose my vote.
2012-11-09 01:39:59 PM  
1 votes:
How about a hot, steamy cup of go fark yourselves?
2012-11-09 01:38:40 PM  
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: A fool and his money...

Go fark yourselves, would-be plutocrats. You wanted the ability to spend near-limitless amounts of money without transparency and accountability to influence a political election, and you got it.


This. So much this.
2012-11-09 01:37:34 PM  
1 votes:

ToxicMunkee: Don't worry, Butthurt Billionaire, your money was spent as intended: funding nonstop negative political ads I either muted or fast-forwarded through.


Yep. I stopped watching/listening to any & all political ads after the 2004 election. Spend all you want, jackasses.
2012-11-09 01:32:06 PM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: Would someone who is better at writing funny headlines than I am please submit this story and get it greened? I tried, but my headline was not up to the task. I think it's a cool story, and one that would spark a good conversation.


Interesting article. I think it's more applicable to 2008, but certainly shows the extent of the control united business leaders can exercise.
2012-11-09 01:30:48 PM  
1 votes:

Counter_Intelligent: I wonder if trickle-down resulted from so many billionaires wasting their money?


Most media is owned by large groups, so mostly not. A lot of the money just circulated in the 1% sector.
2012-11-09 01:27:54 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder if trickle-down resulted from so many billionaires wasting their money?
2012-11-09 01:27:43 PM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: Nurglitch: It's a free market. Caveat emptor.

First I giggled. Then I had a sad.


I don't believe for a second that Karl Rove "squandered" the 300 million dollars that he conned out of rich idiots. That would imply that he spent it on frivolous things that were of no use to anybody.

I believe, instead, that Karl Rove finds his fat Swiss bank account and harem of young boys to be a very wise use of the money. I am sure he does not consider it squandering at all.
2012-11-09 01:25:53 PM  
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: Wouldn't it be funny if Romney just sucked all the assets out of the Republican party and left the shell for the vultures?

I think that would be funny.


I kind of just assumed that was what he was doing.
2012-11-09 01:21:59 PM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: Would someone who is better at writing funny headlines than I am please submit this story and get it greened? I tried, but my headline was not up to the task. I think it's a cool story, and one that would spark a good conversation.


Well, not my best work...and it probably won't go green given the volume of green lights so far today....
2012-11-09 01:19:17 PM  
1 votes:
Then buy the damned ads yourself.
2012-11-09 01:17:20 PM  
1 votes:
It's kind of sad that these billionaires have the same "Government is bad unless it helps me!" viewpoint that poor Republicans have of welfare. All that money really doesn't make them a bit smarter.
2012-11-09 01:17:15 PM  
1 votes:
From what I know about Superpac money is the person running it can spend the money on absolutely anything he farking wants.
2012-11-09 01:16:49 PM  
1 votes:
Question: What happens to the unspent money when the election is over?
2012-11-09 01:16:00 PM  
1 votes:
Think of it this way, you rich bastards: you could have paid less in taxes and got the same result.

HAW HAW!!
2012-11-09 01:11:40 PM  
1 votes:
Hi FARK. It's time for another edition of GOOD IDEA, BAD IDEA.

GOOD IDEA:

"Hey, these SuperPACs are secretive, and neither I nor anyone else has any idea where the money goes..."


BAD IDEA:

"...so let's cut out the middleman because I want to give Brinks Trucks full of cash to my candidate and thus give him an unfair money advantage over everyone else!"

THE END.
2012-11-09 01:08:49 PM  
1 votes:
A fool and his money...

Go fark yourselves, would-be plutocrats. You wanted the ability to spend near-limitless amounts of money without transparency and accountability to influence a political election, and you got it.
2012-11-09 01:08:20 PM  
1 votes:
Reminds me of this d-bag within a group of friends that played texas hold'em one night. I won, and it wasn't even that big of a buy in ($20 iirc), afterwards he pleaded that I give him some of his buy in back and that if he won he would give me some of my money back. I calmly explained to him what 'gambling' meant and if he won I wouldn't have biached.
2012-11-09 01:05:54 PM  
1 votes:
Don't worry: Richard Viguerie will be there to skin you next election too, while touting his "openness".

As the line goes from an old Maverick TV show, "The human being is the only animal you can skin more than once."

/They don't call PAC spending "Black Money" for nothing.
2012-11-09 01:03:05 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: Aarontology: "We weren't able to buy an election, so now we care"

Go f*ck yourselves.

Yup. This.


www.hollywoodisburning.com
2012-11-09 01:02:41 PM  
1 votes:
"You have no idea of the financial structuring of a lot of these outside groups in terms of how much went to the actual delivery of a message," Friess said, "versus how many dollars were taken off as fees to the people running them."

So just blindly cut them a several million dollar check without doing a little research on the PAC itself.

Pardon me while I HAAAhaaahaaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa!

/dumbass
2012-11-09 01:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

Nurglitch: It's a free market. Caveat emptor.


First I giggled. Then I had a sad.
2012-11-09 12:00:23 PM  
1 votes:
Someone call 9-1-1. I'm officially overdosing.
 
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