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(The Atlantic Wire)   Just FYI to everyone on Facebook: neither Alexis De Tocqueville, nor Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, or Alexander Hamilton actually said that thing about Democracy being doomed when people realize they can vote themselves money from the treasury   (theatlanticwire.com ) divider line
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2012-11-09 12:03:05 PM  
However, this quote is 100% attributable:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-09 12:15:24 PM  
A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.

That's true and is why we live in a republic. Voting for representatives is how you avoid that. California is the classic example of direct democracy gone wrong but they finally voted to raise taxes to pay for the services they've been granting themselves for years via referendums. In Minnesota, we voted down two partisan constitutional amendments to were designed to legislate around the governor's veto. In Washington and Colorado, we saw the first glimmer of opposition to the fed's bloated drug war.

I say the people did a pretty good job this election.
 
2012-11-09 12:35:22 PM  
Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison
 
2012-11-09 12:37:49 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison


"Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
- George Washington Carver (on the subject of Peanut cultivation)
 
2012-11-09 12:42:35 PM  
There are great speeches out there that do carry a powerful resonance even across long stretches of time, though. It's a shame that people have to mindlessly post false quotes to feel the resonance of history when there's so much rich material out there. One of my favorites, which seems almost eerily appropriate today:

I don't know where they come from, but they sure do come. And I don't know how they do it, but they sure do it good. I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant. Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph. Only the dead have seen the end of war.

Nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. We are at the end of living and beginning of survival. But the business of America is business. If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve. To retain respect for sausages and laws, one must not watch them in the making. How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The buck stops here.

Remember that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Don't fire 'til you see the whites of their eyes! To the victors belong the spoils. I've been everywhere, and I'm standing tall. I've seen a million faces, and I've touched them all. Goodnight, and good luck.


~Theodore Roosevelt, 1908, announcing his decision to not seek re-election amid a growing backlash against his "progressive" movement
 
2012-11-09 12:59:05 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

"There's a sucker born every minute."

Phineas Taylor Barnum
 
2012-11-09 01:09:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ... We are at the end of living and beginning of survival. ...


Knock that down a notch or two and start posting it to Facebook, and you will have a meme.
 
2012-11-09 01:09:27 PM  
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."


H. L. Mencken
 
2012-11-09 01:10:08 PM  
Why people keep using this improperly attributed quote is beyond me. There are so many superior Jefferson quotes:

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities. (from his first Inaugural address)

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. (Republicans might want to note this)
 
2012-11-09 01:11:37 PM  
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2012-11-09 01:26:14 PM  

slayer199:

All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression...except for Negros. F*ck them.


Wonder how he rationalized that in his brain.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:59 PM  
"How about that Sally Hemmings, eh? Eh? I mean titties like BOOM! POW!!! And DAT AZZ! Amirite??"
- Thomas Jefferson
 
2012-11-09 01:48:45 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Wonder how he rationalized that in his brain.


Because his viewpoints on slavery where contradictory (even for his time...he went back and forth) makes all his words meaningless?
 
2012-11-09 02:09:26 PM  
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee

- Charles Nelson Reilly
 
2012-11-09 02:34:39 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison

"Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
- George Washington Carver (on the subject of Peanut cultivation)


So that's why they taste so good.
 
2012-11-09 02:35:20 PM  
Just an FYI, while that may be true the founding fathers did say very negative things about Democracy in general, and didn't expect the Constitution or new government to last more than 20 years.
 
2012-11-09 02:36:33 PM  
These pretzels are making me thirsty. ~Democritus
 
2012-11-09 02:36:45 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

"My Dear Lucy,

I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books."

- Helen Keller
 
2012-11-09 02:37:22 PM  
yeah facebook seems to be full of republicans trying to make themselves feel better.

I've seen this, the one about military absentee ballots and one about layoffs because obama was reelected.

well, they didn't care about the truth during the election, why should they care about it after?
 
2012-11-09 02:37:29 PM  
They would have if they had thought of it first. Losers!
 
2012-11-09 02:39:12 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison


Meanwhile, she's hogging all the ice cream.
 
2012-11-09 02:40:56 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 190x266]

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."


H. L. Mencken


"Love is the mistaken belief that one woman differs from another."
 
2012-11-09 02:42:08 PM  
"How are you doin'?"

-Thomas Jefferson to Sally Hemmings
 
2012-11-09 02:42:42 PM  
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

Benjamin Franklin
 
2012-11-09 02:42:48 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "

- Gibbs
 
2012-11-09 02:42:56 PM  

sigdiamond2000: [imageshack.us image 500x353]


I love that image. It would be even better though if that said "Hans Solo" at the bottom.
 
2012-11-09 02:46:11 PM  
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It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.

- Jesus Christ
 
2012-11-09 02:46:30 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: yeah facebook seems to be full of republicans trying to make themselves feel better.

I've seen this, the one about military absentee ballots and one about layoffs because obama was reelected.

well, they didn't care about the truth during the election, why should they care about it after?


The best part is that the one about the military absentee ballots came from a satire site, basically The Onion for the military.
 
2012-11-09 02:47:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-09 02:49:03 PM  
I voted for Obama too, I admit

- Jesus Christ
 
2012-11-09 02:52:21 PM  
Famous quotations are the fallacy of appeal to authority. Smart people don't use them unless they're intentionally manipulating the stupid.
 
2012-11-09 02:52:34 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison


I thought she was the ice cream lady.
 
2012-11-09 02:53:37 PM  
What can you say about a twenty-five-year-old girl who died? That she was beautiful and brilliant? That she loved Mozart and Bach, the Beatles, and me? - Ulysses S. Grant, Nov. 19, 1859
 
2012-11-09 02:55:37 PM  
I have asinine "friends" from college that keep posting this one despite the fact that it's clearly fake. I generally ignore their freeper nonsense, but I won't let them sully Lincoln.

i1311.photobucket.com

Of course, if you confront a republican with a fact, their knee-jerk reaction is to whargarbl.
 
2012-11-09 02:55:41 PM  
"He who would give up libertarianism for securities deserves neither." - Ben Franklin, on why the SEC should be abolished
 
2012-11-09 02:57:15 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison

"Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
- George Washington Carver (on the subject of Peanut cultivation)


"I like cinnamon."
-- Sandra Day OConnor
 
2012-11-09 02:57:53 PM  
No, his mind is not for rent
To any god or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes aren't permanent,
But change is.


Marx Twain.
 
2012-11-09 02:58:21 PM  

ManateeGag: PhiloeBedoe: Let them eat cake.
-Dolly Madison

I thought she was the ice cream lady.


Well, she did look pretty lickable for the 1800s... 

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-09 02:58:23 PM  
The ballot is stronger than the bullet--Abraham Lincoln

(He was later rumored to have rethought this position)
 
2012-11-09 02:59:28 PM  
Here's a quote they may like:

'Bread and Circuses' is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader - the barbarians enter Rome. - Robert A Heinlein, To Sail Beyond the Sunset, pp 226-227, paperback edition (confirmed in my own copy)

Science fiction author who wrote that in 1987, though, so I'm not sure they'll like it THAT much. Also, by the definitions of "provider and parasite" I suspect most of those who would cheer loudest for it would find themselves without a vote.
 
2012-11-09 03:00:37 PM  
Every man for himself -- Jesus.
 
2012-11-09 03:01:07 PM  

randomjsa: Just an FYI, while that may be true the founding fathers did say very negative things about Democracy in general, and didn't expect the Constitution or new government to last more than 20 years.


I guess James Madison - the Father of the Constitution - was surprised, seeing as how his two terms started 20 years after the Constitution went into effect.

You dolt.
 
2012-11-09 03:01:33 PM  
All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
--- Ben Franklin, Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc., line 24. (1751)


LIKE IF YOU HATE THE SWARTHY SWEDES!
 
2012-11-09 03:01:52 PM  
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?" - Mitt Romney
 
2012-11-09 03:02:09 PM  
The ironic thing here, is that oft-misattributed, oft-misquoted, quote is actually true.

It just happens to be the case the power elite realized they can buy themselves largesse from the government through campaign funding and lobbies.
 
2012-11-09 03:03:22 PM  
And since Detachments of English from Britain sent to America, will have their Places at Home so soon supply'd and increase so largely here; why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
--- Ben Franklin, Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc., line 23. (1751)


LIKE IF YOU WANT TO RETURN THE HUNS TO THE FATHERLAND!
 
2012-11-09 03:03:48 PM  

Mr. Stitcha: I have asinine "friends" from college that keep posting this one despite the fact that it's clearly fake. I generally ignore their freeper nonsense, but I won't let them sully Lincoln.

[i1311.photobucket.com image 396x512]

Of course, if you confront a republican with a fact, their knee-jerk reaction is to whargarbl.


But they dissemble when they're shown this Lincoln quote:

"It is not needed, nor fitting here [in discussing the Civil War] that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions; but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effect to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor, in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them, and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded thus far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.

"Now, there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."
 
2012-11-09 03:03:57 PM  
I always thought it was an extrapolation from plato's republic.
 
2012-11-09 03:04:28 PM  
"People will vote for circuses" -- Phineas Taylor Barnum
 
2012-11-09 03:04:58 PM  
www.cnxglobalradio.com

"Call me Ishmael"

- Fatboy Slim
 
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