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(Wired)   Iranian Air Force lacks the capability to destroy an unarmed drone with the maneuverability of your grandma   (wired.com) divider line 17
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2012-11-09 01:26:43 PM
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It's not that small of a target. I used to bullseye womprats from my T-16 back home.
2012-11-09 01:23:41 PM
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Iran is simultaneously the greatest threat to America ever in history ever and also so technologically backwards that two marines and a retired army lawyer could take the country overnight.
2012-11-09 01:17:12 PM
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Iran used Su-25s. You know GROUND ATTACK aircraft? This would be like the U.S. sending up A-10s to shoot down a aircraft.

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2012-11-09 06:14:59 PM
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RoyBatty

The "stall speed" of an airplane is normally the speed at which the wings can pull 1g, sufficient to maintain level flight. It is not the speed at which the airplane goes out of control. If you're willing to pitch down you can keep flying at less than 1g for a while.

The .1 and .5 lines are where the wings can exert a force equal to 10% and 50% of the airplane's weight. You reach these lines while in a climb. Gravity is pulling the nose down and will eventually force the airplane back below the 1g line.

Imagine driving in snow, or on a wet track. You can go into a turn knowing the wheels will slide. The car may still be under control.

At sufficiently high altitude the wings and airframe don't have enough lift to keep the airplane under control. One of the super zoom altitude records was aided by rocket thrusters keeping the pointy end of the airplane aimed in the right direction. Without assistance the airplane would have tumbled out of control. In the car example, this is where your rear wheels snap out and you spin.

The .1g line may be close to the control limit.
2012-11-09 02:24:48 PM
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Marine1: So uh... let's say they do shoot one down... so what? It's an overgrown model airplane. We've got lots more, too.


No no, you got it all wrong. If they shoot one down, it's an act of war. We must send in hundreds of thousand of Americans to get revenge. Plus we'll need to give Raytheon a couple of billion taxpayer dollars to develop a force field shield for the drones so the tragedy can never happen again.
2012-11-09 02:04:02 PM
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All2morrowsparTs: detritus: Yet Iran managed to intercept and land unscathed a top-secret stealth RQ-170 drone which really pissed off the US. They must have fixed the vulnerability.
The question is, was this a stealth drone or not, and did their assumed reverse-engineering of the stealth technology on the RQ-170 lead to them detecting it? The US must have balls of steel to do this and risk exposure. Not sure what right a foreign nation has flying a drone in another country. We certainly wouldn't stand for it...

This was over international airspace.


says the US military. The Iranians claim they were over Iranian air space. I highly doubt that Iran is going to send air to ground fighters in to International airspace looking for drones to shoot down.

If the Iranians were flying drones near or over our airspace I think the response would be a lot worse than firing on the drone.
2012-11-09 02:01:52 PM
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Prey4reign: The whole story smells like BS concocted to prevent anyone from asking how the Iranians managed to force a drone to land.


The point of this would be... ?
2012-11-09 01:53:30 PM
1 votes:
I imagine if they really wanted to shoot it down, they would have. It was over international waters; this looks like the kind of crap the Soviets used to do with our ships in the Black Sea. Playing chicken, bumping, etc.
2012-11-09 01:50:32 PM
1 votes:
Well, they may not be fast, but they have a pretty small sig radius, and are probably agile enough to keep their transversal up.
2012-11-09 01:45:33 PM
1 votes:
This doesn't really surprise me. Slow, small things are hard to hit with large, fast jets.

The complaint of Me 262 pilots attacking bomber streams in 1945 was that they had so little time to aim and fire given the speed disparity. The reaction of the bomber crews was "what the fark was that?"
2012-11-09 01:35:09 PM
1 votes:
The whole story smells like BS concocted to prevent anyone from asking how the Iranians managed to force a drone to land.
2012-11-09 01:29:28 PM
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I flew Preds from 2005-2012, they certainly aren't 9G fighters, but they can turn in a tight radius. The Pred's slow speed, the SU-25's design, the Iranians' training and some possible maneuvers probably combined to keep the Predator from getting shot down. Against a trained pilot in an air-air fighter (F-15/16/Mig-29...etc.), we're toast.
2012-11-09 01:29:03 PM
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RoyBatty: We need a photoshop of a Predator inverted over an SU-25 with Iranian markings.


Is this your idea of fun, Mav?
2012-11-09 01:26:14 PM
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Allen262: Iran used Su-25s. You know GROUND ATTACK aircraft? This would be like the U.S. sending up A-10s to shoot down a aircraft.

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DOesnt matter what they sent. If they cant hit a simple target like that with guns, then there isnt much hope for them. The fact that it was ground attack aircraft is even worse, they could have gotten much closer to that drone than they could any ground target.

Also, A-10 have been shown effective against slow moving air to air targets like helicopters...which are as fast and more maneuverable than that drone.

Bottom line is there is really no excuse for them not hitting the drone, even with the aircraft in question. Id venture a bet a properly experienced Russian or Chinese SU-25 pilot would have dropped that drone with ease. Id say the problem here is likely a combination of poor maintenance (lack of sight calibration) and poor pilot training and/or experience.

But really, go ahead and tell us how Iran would destroy the US or NATO in a war...go on...
2012-11-09 01:25:16 PM
1 votes:
We need a photoshop of a Predator inverted over an SU-25 with Iranian markings.
2012-11-09 01:22:55 PM
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detritus: Yet Iran managed to intercept and land unscathed a top-secret stealth RQ-170 drone which really pissed off the US. They must have fixed the vulnerability.
The question is, was this a stealth drone or not, and did their assumed reverse-engineering of the stealth technology on the RQ-170 lead to them detecting it? The US must have balls of steel to do this and risk exposure. Not sure what right a foreign nation has flying a drone in another country. We certainly wouldn't stand for it...


I still don't think that was the real thing.
2012-11-09 01:13:23 PM
1 votes:

edmo: And they can build a nuke?


No one said they have the capability to deliver it.
 
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