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(Newsday)   In New York, if the state can't manage to be officious dipshiats about getting your power switched back on, your local power company is glad to pick up the slack and go all Vogon on your freezing flooded ass   (newsday.com) divider line 47
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2012-11-09 10:57:54 AM
I heard they were doing this and I couldn't believe it. My power went out last Monday, still isn't on, and the only day I've been home in the past week was Election Day (when they were running the voting machines on generators). Cut the shiat and get it done.
 
2012-11-09 11:07:37 AM

FreakinB: I heard they were doing this and I couldn't believe it. My power went out last Monday, still isn't on, and the only day I've been home in the past week was Election Day (when they were running the voting machines on generators). Cut the shiat and get it done.


I should clarify that I understand why they need to do inspections. What I can't understand is why they can't find a way to get it done quicker. Bring in more outside help, have more shifts, something. It's just frustrating, especially with the weather getting colder.
 
2012-11-09 11:24:32 AM

FreakinB: I heard they were doing this and I couldn't believe it. My power went out last Monday, still isn't on, and the only day I've been home in the past week was Election Day (when they were running the voting machines on generators). Cut the shiat and get it done.


Sounds like they are taking the opportunity to profit at victims expense. Requiring inspections of every home is completely unnecessary. Unless there is significant structural damage, a Hurricane is not going to rewire a house.
 
2012-11-09 12:53:58 PM

go all Vogon on your freezing flooded ass


Did they read poetry at them or demolish them to make way for an interstellar bypass? This is important.
 
2012-11-09 12:54:51 PM
Obviously George Bush hates black people.

Way to Cut that ol' red tape, champ.
 
2012-11-09 12:56:20 PM
FTA: "Our message to LIPA is to turn. Back. The. Power,"

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-09 01:00:41 PM
Barack Obama doesn't care about white people.
 
2012-11-09 01:06:19 PM
To everyone that haven't been paying attention in the history of ever: things cost money, you know who need things most, people who just suffered a tragedy. They should change "in god we trust" to "in money we trust"

/ profiteering is part of the human condition
 
2012-11-09 01:07:13 PM
What did you expect from Yankees fans?
 
2012-11-09 01:08:55 PM
Fark LIPA. That bureaucratic mismanaged organization charges 4-5 times as much as they should for electricity and historically has horrible service. They were one of the reasons I was thrilled to leave, right along with the area's archaic and expensive reliance on fuel oil for heating.
 
2012-11-09 01:10:13 PM
I can't believe Newsday is still publishing.
 
2012-11-09 01:11:39 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: go all Vogon on your freezing flooded ass


Did they read poetry at them or demolish them to make way for an interstellar bypass? This is important.


Beware the leopard.
 
2012-11-09 01:11:44 PM
Hey, you guys!!!
 
2012-11-09 01:13:30 PM
I'm going to Houston.
 
2012-11-09 01:14:50 PM
Actually the Vogons would be more sympathetic and better prepared for this disaster.
 
2012-11-09 01:19:27 PM
you gotta pay the vig first before they turn the lights back on.
 
2012-11-09 01:24:50 PM

Delawheredad: Actually the Vogons would be more sympathetic and better prepared for this disaster.


The Vogons wouldn't even lift a finger to turn your power back on without an order, signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.
 
2012-11-09 01:26:32 PM

FreakinB: FreakinB: I heard they were doing this and I couldn't believe it. My power went out last Monday, still isn't on, and the only day I've been home in the past week was Election Day (when they were running the voting machines on generators). Cut the shiat and get it done.

I should clarify that I understand why they need to do inspections. What I can't understand is why they can't find a way to get it done quicker. Bring in more outside help, have more shifts, something. It's just frustrating, especially with the weather getting colder.


I have no idea what you personally are going thru, but I did get evacuated twice this summer due to wildfires here in Colorado, so I can sympathise with natural disaster crisis. Again.. not there, but from what I hear is that there are volunteers from all over the country trying to help, but there's just so much help needed, things can't move quicker. Hundreds of thousands is a big list.
I'm looking at the 4th smoke plume here this summer.. it's going away from us in remote areas of the forest.. but it's still there. Fires going on all over Wyoming and firefighters are thin. We'd wish they'd put this one out, but they have to be somewhere else right now helping someone else.
 
2012-11-09 01:32:19 PM

SumFrequency: the area's archaic and expensive reliance on fuel oil for heating.


It makes for a great news story once every decade or so. A home that was converted to natural gas, had removed the basement oil tank, but left their oil connector on the outside of the house, gets their basement flooded with oil by a heating company that got the wrong address.

/NY
//natural gas
 
2012-11-09 01:39:48 PM
They didn't want Shoreham and now they are complaining.
 
2012-11-09 01:39:49 PM
The reason they're doing this on the South Shore (from what I understand) is simple: if you panel was underwater at any time it's probably been damaged. Salt water + breaker boxes = bad news.

Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.
 
2012-11-09 01:44:48 PM
Good grief, how incompetent can you get?
 
2012-11-09 01:44:57 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-09 01:50:11 PM
While I sympathize with those without power, I have a feeling that the public officials involving themselves for the opportunity to "Help their communities" have absolutely no idea what happens when you energize an open, grounded circuit. I say this because if they do know what happens, they go from being publicity hungry, approval rating whores, to willfully destructive sociopaths.

Think about the damage to the electrical grid if they just powered everyone back on.
 
2012-11-09 01:50:12 PM

Current Resident: [i.imgur.com image 500x343]


i love that

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-09 01:51:40 PM
garkola:
Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.

Not just that - high winds that don't seem to cause damage can do things like scrape the insulation off of the wire leading into the house.

Then, of course, you get the real idiots... "Yeah, the wire leading to the house fell down, so I spliced it back. It's fine, right?"  Or "yeah, we had a big chunk of wood come through the wall, so we covered it up. It might have nicked some wires, but we'll find out a half-hour or so after the power comes back on..."
 
2012-11-09 01:52:39 PM

Current Resident: [i.imgur.com image 500x343]


/inspection

get the power back on.
 
2012-11-09 01:56:18 PM

Delawheredad: Actually the Vogons would be more sympathetic and better prepared for this disaster.

vogon.hu
You need to fill out this form in triplicate and take each copy into the appropriate line.

I'm leaving for lunch.
 
2012-11-09 01:59:27 PM
You do realize that it took MONTHS to restore power after Katrina and were still measuring response time for Sandy in days right?
 
2012-11-09 02:07:20 PM

Prevailing Wind: You do realize that it took MONTHS to restore power after Katrina and were still measuring response time for Sandy in days right?


It only took that long because George Bush doesn't care about black people.
 
TWX
2012-11-09 02:12:41 PM

garkola: The reason they're doing this on the South Shore (from what I understand) is simple: if you panel was underwater at any time it's probably been damaged. Salt water + breaker boxes = bad news.

Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.


I have an idea then...

How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?

As to dealing with affected homes/circuits, would fresh water negatively impact the panels and breakers? Could one take the cover off, flush the inside with fresh water, and let it dry, coming back in a few days later to put the cover back on?
 
2012-11-09 02:14:46 PM

SkunkWerks: FTA: "Our message to LIPA is to turn. Back. The. Power,"

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x180]


Not before you throw open the switches on the sonic oscillators. THEN you can increase the reactor power.

/three
//more
///points
 
2012-11-09 02:21:19 PM
<How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?>

From what I heard that's what they're doing, at least in Lido Beach - going house to house and asking if the panel got wet. For the other places not on the water, I think they don't have enough information to tell...but you'd think they could just look at the wall and see the waterline.

There's no reason for LIPA to be fast, because if they make a mistake and a block burns down they get blamed. Now if they make a mistake they can blame the politicians. So expect things to speed up now.
 
2012-11-09 02:21:28 PM

TWX: garkola: The reason they're doing this on the South Shore (from what I understand) is simple: if you panel was underwater at any time it's probably been damaged. Salt water + breaker boxes = bad news.

Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.

I have an idea then...

How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?

As to dealing with affected homes/circuits, would fresh water negatively impact the panels and breakers? Could one take the cover off, flush the inside with fresh water, and let it dry, coming back in a few days later to put the cover back on?


It was my understanding before the election that we were going to cut through the red tape and get these people taken care of.
 
2012-11-09 02:58:33 PM

Prevailing Wind: You do realize that it took MONTHS to restore power after Katrina and were still measuring response time for Sandy in days right?


You do realize that New Orleans was warm and New York just had a blizzard right? Not the same level of urgency.
 
2012-11-09 02:59:28 PM

GORDON: TWX: garkola: The reason they're doing this on the South Shore (from what I understand) is simple: if you panel was underwater at any time it's probably been damaged. Salt water + breaker boxes = bad news.

Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.

I have an idea then...

How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?

As to dealing with affected homes/circuits, would fresh water negatively impact the panels and breakers? Could one take the cover off, flush the inside with fresh water, and let it dry, coming back in a few days later to put the cover back on?

It was my understanding before the election that we were going to cut through the red tape and get these people taken care of.


That was for Putin not New Yorkers.
 
2012-11-09 03:05:06 PM

TWX: garkola: The reason they're doing this on the South Shore (from what I understand) is simple: if you panel was underwater at any time it's probably been damaged. Salt water + breaker boxes = bad news.

Nobody wants a bunch of houses to burn down because the panel shorts out when the power comes on. Who are they going to blame? LIPA.

I have an idea then...

How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?

As to dealing with affected homes/circuits, would fresh water negatively impact the panels and breakers? Could one take the cover off, flush the inside with fresh water, and let it dry, coming back in a few days later to put the cover back on?


If you had deionized water, you could flush the inside with fresh water while it's energized with no ill effects (assuming no physical damage from the moving water). At least in theory. In practice, any water you used to flush it would probably have some sort of contaminants that could conduct electricity and accelerate corrosion. Beyond that, anything that's had any sort of actual flood water (salt or otherwise) is probably so full of contaminants that you need to inspect pretty much every connection before running electricity through it.

Flood water is some truly nasty stuff. If you've ever had to clean up a place that has been flooded, you'll probably always remember the smell.
 
2012-11-09 03:33:58 PM

minoridiot: FreakinB: I heard they were doing this and I couldn't believe it. My power went out last Monday, still isn't on, and the only day I've been home in the past week was Election Day (when they were running the voting machines on generators). Cut the shiat and get it done.

Sounds like they are taking the opportunity to profit at victims expense. Requiring inspections of every home is completely unnecessary. Unless there is significant structural damage, a Hurricane is not going to rewire a house.


Read the article more closely. It isn't every home, just flood-damaged homes. Not that it makes LIPA any less dickish.
 
2012-11-09 03:42:34 PM

Callous: Prevailing Wind: You do realize that it took MONTHS to restore power after Katrina and were still measuring response time for Sandy in days right?

You do realize that New Orleans was warm and New York just had a blizzard right? Not the same level of urgency.


Do you know how I know you aren't from the NY area?

\the "blizzard" dumped a single inch of snow at my house (in the hills of northern NJ)
\\it all melted as soon as it hit the ground at lower elevations
 
2012-11-09 03:44:34 PM
Calous:
You do realize that New Orleans was warm and New York just had a blizzard right? Not the same level of urgency.

The big complaints about the Katrina response were based on "get us food and water." Which happened very, very fast under those conditions (the supplies had to do a thousand mile detour on top of the normal distance because of the devastation in southern Mississippi and the broken I-10 bridge, and still got there within three days).

The problems are similar, though: the local officials in New Orleans were supposed to follow a premade hurricane preparedness and response plan (with prestaged food and water outside of the flood zone) - and didn't. Much like the officials in the parts of the northeast US that are having the most problems after Sandy...

Another odd similarity is the lack of surprise. Disaster response professionals knew, without a doubt, that the levees in New Orleans would eventually give way during a hurricane, and that the results would be pretty much what we saw in Katrina. Just like they also knew that a hurricane making a direct hit on New Jersey and New York would cause... pretty much what we saw this month.
 
2012-11-09 03:49:49 PM
Look for the union label
 
2012-11-09 03:58:07 PM

Kellner21: Delawheredad: Actually the Vogons would be more sympathetic and better prepared for this disaster.

The Vogons wouldn't even lift a finger to turn your power back on without an order, signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.


So, what you are saying is that LIPA is run by Vogons.
 
2012-11-09 04:27:19 PM
You people are going to have to charge LIPA with crimes and jail its executives if you want your power back.
 
2012-11-09 04:30:33 PM
more evidence the purpose of much of what governemnt does is to provide rent seeking opurtunities, not keep people safe.
 
2012-11-09 04:50:30 PM

CheekyMonkey: Do you know how I know you aren't from the NY area?

\the "blizzard" dumped a single inch of snow at my house (in the hills of northern NJ)


8" of nasty heavy wet slop in Westchester. 10" nearby. It was an odd storm. I got bupkes.
 
2012-11-09 05:19:23 PM
TWX

I have an idea then...

How about speaking with FEMA and the local government, and driving around to identify addresses affected by the storm surge, isolate those segments affected as best as possible, and get the power back on for everyone else?


Because that makes sense and you'd be putting a government bureaucrat out of work.

/he took our jerbs..
 
2012-11-10 06:01:44 AM

CheekyMonkey: Callous: Prevailing Wind: You do realize that it took MONTHS to restore power after Katrina and were still measuring response time for Sandy in days right?

You do realize that New Orleans was warm and New York just had a blizzard right? Not the same level of urgency.

Do you know how I know you aren't from the NY area?

\the "blizzard" dumped a single inch of snow at my house (in the hills of northern NJ)
\\it all melted as soon as it hit the ground at lower elevations



It dumped 4.7 inches of snow on Central Park, much of which stuck until late morning the next day, and there were 33mph wind gusts. Newark got 6.2 inches, with wind gusts up to 38mph. Being "in the hills of Northern NJ" doesn't mean you automatically get the brunt of a storm, and judging all of NYC/northern NJ area weather by your local sample is clearly a pretty good way to end up sounding more ignorant than the person you yourself are deriding as ignorant.

/figures from wunderground.com
 
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