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(Wall Street Journal)   Chevron says Stuxnet virus infected their techrons   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 17
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2012-11-09 12:16:03 PM
So what if it was found on their computers.

It only does anything to centrifuges producing enriched uranium in Iran.

People have broken down the code and it really is that goddamn specific. It would just lie dormant in an oil refinery because the wrong SCADA devices are in use.
 
2012-11-09 12:16:58 PM
Oh for the days when all you needed was a good sex scandal to boost sales
 
2012-11-09 12:30:24 PM
I'd love to get paid to come up with the stupid crap oil companies come up with to convince people that THEIR gasoline is superior.

Chevron Gasoline: now with BS-TECH THERMAL CLEANSING technology, that BURNS any harmful organic compounds that enter your engine cylinders!!!
 
2012-11-09 12:42:50 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BS-TECH THERMAL CLEANSING technology, that BURNS any harmful organic compounds that enter your engine cylinders!!!


Is that cleansing technology gasoline?
 
2012-11-09 12:53:56 PM
Isn't Chevron owned by Hugo Chavez, I mean, Venezuela?
 
2012-11-09 01:25:11 PM
Once again, RT delivers the hard-hitting meaningless crap that we all don't care about.
 
2012-11-09 02:44:31 PM

fluffy2097: So what if it was found on their computers.

It only does anything to centrifuges producing enriched uranium in Iran.

People have broken down the code and it really is that goddamn specific. It would just lie dormant in an oil refinery because the wrong SCADA devices are in use.



^^^This. We've known this for a couple years. There's no excuse for horrible reporting such as
"Chevron is the first U.S. company to acknowledge that its systems were infected by Stuxnet, although most security experts believe the vast majority of hacking incidents go unreported for reasons of security or to avoid embarrassment. The devices used in industrial equipment and targeted by Stuxnet are made by huge companies, including Siemens (whose devices were in use at Iran's facility). Millions of these devices have been sold around the world, so potentially every industrial company that uses these devices, called programmable logic controllers, or PLCs, are at risk of being infected."

One of the big reasons Stuxnet worked where & when it did was the previously unknown Windows security flaw (or intentional back door?) that's presumably been patched by now so no one else exploits it.

And it's true that millions of PLCs have been sold, but there's lots of reasons that most of them aren't vulnerable to something like Stuxnet.


/speaking of PLC programming ... I should get back to work
 
2012-11-09 03:45:54 PM
I like how they boldly state that it was created by the US and Israel, link to another article on the topic, which boldly states unnamed sources say it's created by US and Israel, and that US officials have never acknowledged their role in its creation.

This is what's wrong with the media. It doesn't matter that it's a 99.99999% chance that we created the damn thing, the official stance is still 'no' so don't go factually stating we created it until you have proof.
 
2012-11-09 04:33:54 PM

phaseolus: fluffy2097: So what if it was found on their computers.

It only does anything to centrifuges producing enriched uranium in Iran.

People have broken down the code and it really is that goddamn specific. It would just lie dormant in an oil refinery because the wrong SCADA devices are in use.


^^^This. We've known this for a couple years. There's no excuse for horrible reporting such as "Chevron is the first U.S. company to acknowledge that its systems were infected by Stuxnet, although most security experts believe the vast majority of hacking incidents go unreported for reasons of security or to avoid embarrassment. The devices used in industrial equipment and targeted by Stuxnet are made by huge companies, including Siemens (whose devices were in use at Iran's facility). Millions of these devices have been sold around the world, so potentially every industrial company that uses these devices, called programmable logic controllers, or PLCs, are at risk of being infected."
One of the big reasons Stuxnet worked where & when it did was the previously unknown Windows security flaw (or intentional back door?) that's presumably been patched by now so no one else exploits it.

And it's true that millions of PLCs have been sold, but there's lots of reasons that most of them aren't vulnerable to something like Stuxnet.


/speaking of PLC programming ... I should get back to work


I cant stand Siemens PLCs. Could not have happened to a more deserving manufacturer.
 
2012-11-09 05:16:05 PM
Like real viruses, releasing a computer virus into the wild is a crap shoot at best. More so with a computer virus because it is more easily adaptable.

The US/Israel basically used nation state level expertise to create very nefarious code and then dumped it into the hands of common criminals. Now, we will pay the price as bits and techniques from it are used to steal and harass.
 
2012-11-09 07:16:19 PM
"even though U.S. officials have never confirmed the government's role. "

Guilty by internet judge and jury.
 
2012-11-09 09:08:11 PM

sethen320: I cant stand Siemens PLCs. Could not have happened to a more deserving manufacturer.


theory one is US pulled the old Libyan nuclear gear the Libyans surrendered in 2003 and figured since the same network that helped Libya setup the Iranians they would have the same setup. Built in a basement and found what they could do to it

theory two the German intelligence service helped and gave them zero days for the PLCs and technical know how on the equipment

The first is very likely, the 2nd has not really been floated a lot but wouldn't surprise me
 
2012-11-10 01:58:11 AM
The Siemens hardware was procured illegally by the Iranians, but the consortium of concerned governments were already one step ahead.

It was sold with the knowledge that they would be infected at a later day if Iran continued their nuclear program for weapons.

You won't hear this from anywhere else, lets just say I know more then I should about such things.
 
2012-11-10 05:24:39 AM

viscountalpha: The Siemens hardware was procured illegally by the Iranians, but the consortium of concerned governments were already one step ahead.

It was sold with the knowledge that they would be infected at a later day if Iran continued their nuclear program for weapons.

You won't hear this from anywhere else, lets just say I know more then I should about such things.


Infowars.com?
 
2012-11-10 08:08:55 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: I like how they boldly state that it was created by the US and Israel, link to another article on the topic, which boldly states unnamed sources say it's created by US and Israel, and that US officials have never acknowledged their role in its creation.

This is what's wrong with the media. It doesn't matter that it's a 99.99999% chance that we created the damn thing, the official stance is still 'no' so don't go factually stating we created it until you have proof.


It was made by the United States alright. This thing was so devious and well designed, it had to have outside help from someone with detailed knowledge of the source code in the systems it was designed to effect. It used things that you simply couldn't find by reverse engineering.

If your run of the mill virus is a traffic cone set on top of an airbag to launch it into the air, Stuxnet was a farking Saturn V rocket. It's an entirely different level.

So you've got this Made in the USA widget, that has been compromised in a manner that says "This exploit was made by a highly proficient programmer that had access to detailed plans and all the trade secrets relating to this Made in the USA widget, that was designed by an American company..."

Come on man, Nobody else made it. Nobody else CAN.
 
2012-11-10 01:33:25 PM
So companies that violate trade sanctions to deal with Iran get the virus?
 
2012-11-12 10:07:03 AM

LesserEvil: Isn't Chevron owned by Hugo Chavez, I mean, Venezuela?


That's Citgo.
 
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