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(The Root)   President Obama's re-election was more important than his election   (theroot.com) divider line 52
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2012-11-09 09:33:36 AM  
Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

/you had your chance
//you blew your load in 2010
 
2012-11-09 10:31:05 AM  
Wow... Old white men eventually lose the country? Bout time!

/I'm not old...
 
2012-11-09 10:32:30 AM  
Rachel Maddow on why the election is good the whole country, not just Democrats. Link
 
2012-11-09 10:34:06 AM  

somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.


50-48 is not a crushing defeat.
 
2012-11-09 10:36:07 AM  
Romney lost the 18-44 demographic 55.3 - 41.7. His voting base was all old people. The RNC needs to figure out how to ditch the theocrats, fast. The country isn't going to get more socially conservative.
 
2012-11-09 10:38:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


yeah, but the ones that lost were the most far right crazies. The guys that believe rape is cool as long as you keep the baby. That birth control is a sin and that they should govern based on a 2000 year old book. I would argue that number isn't as important as who was actually defeated. Although, I doubt the right wingers see it that way. If anything they'll contend Romney's past liberal record meant he wasn't right enough
 
2012-11-09 10:38:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


Lost the Presidency by 100 EV
Lost seats in the Senate, including seats that were considered Republican locks.
Lost among every growing demographic in the USA

But keep thinking it was close.
That you did well.
That the Popular vote only being 2.5% from one another somehow means you're just as good as the other guy.
 
2012-11-09 10:39:11 AM  
fta This is why the Karl Roves, the Grover Norquists and the lunatic Donald Trumps of American politics are apoplectic in rage and disbelief. They do not want to accept that the basic makeup of the electorate does not and will not again sustain their agenda and their claims to power.

It's like music, isn't it? I want to hear it over and over again.
 
2012-11-09 10:40:43 AM  

Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


Losing every single swing state is a crushing defeat.
 
2012-11-09 10:43:25 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


They seem pretty crushed to me.
 
2012-11-09 10:44:15 AM  

you have pee hands: Romney lost the 18-44 demographic 55.3 - 41.7.


As Johnny Carson would say, "I did not know this". I'm curious what the 30-44 number is.
 
2012-11-09 10:45:03 AM  

bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Losing every single swing state is a crushing defeat.


12th closest Presidential election in history in terms of the popular vote and that's including the always annoying "lose the pop vote, win the EC" instances
 
2012-11-09 10:45:05 AM  

bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Losing every single swing state is a crushing defeat.


B-b-but North Carolina!
 
2012-11-09 10:45:30 AM  
The results still aren't official, but it looks like President Obama can put Florida's 29 electoral votes in his column.

Though, in the end it didn't really matter.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-09 10:45:31 AM  

JokerMattly: Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Lost the Presidency by 100 EV
Lost seats in the Senate, including seats that were considered Republican locks.
Lost among every growing demographic in the USA

But keep thinking it was close.
That you did well.
That the Popular vote only being 2.5% from one another somehow means you're just as good as the other guy.


Gay rights / pot votes FTW.

Grayson's back also. LOL.

www.theblaze.com
 
2012-11-09 10:45:38 AM  

mrshowrules: Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

They seem pretty crushed to me.


heehee
 
2012-11-09 10:47:15 AM  
Oops, wrong thread
 
2012-11-09 10:47:21 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


The Presidential race wasn't a crushing defeat, I'll agree. But the Presidential race was never about "uber-conservative thinking" either. Despite all his pandering, Romney isn't any more a representative of "uber-conservative thinking" than Obama is a representative of "uber-liberal thinking".

It would be more understandable to say that the results of the down-ticket races represented such a defeat. I still think that's a bit hyperbolic. Just like it was hyperbolic to say that the Tea Party wins in 2010 were some kind of overwhelming rejection of Obama and his policies. These are just self-indulgent narratives that people like to revel in. Reality is a lot less adversarial and dramatic.
 
2012-11-09 10:47:54 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


What would you call it then? A butthurt defeat?
 
2012-11-09 10:48:31 AM  

GhostFish: Reality is a lot less adversarial and dramatic.


Reality is boring!
 
2012-11-09 10:49:17 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


When 90% of the country is locked in before any campaigning starts, that means you lost 50%-30% among people who's votes matter
 
2012-11-09 10:49:25 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


lose the swing states, lose seats in the senate and house when you had no reason to do any of those a year prior. Yes, that is a crushing defeat.
 
2012-11-09 10:50:04 AM  

Boxcutta: Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

What would you call it then? A butthurt defeat?


a defeat. A relatively narrow loss, historically speaking? I wouldn't call it a "butthurt defeat" though. Primarily because I have no idea what that that means.
 
2012-11-09 10:50:28 AM  

skullkrusher: bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Losing every single swing state is a crushing defeat.

12th closest Presidential election in history in terms of the popular vote and that's including the always annoying "lose the pop vote, win the EC" instances


This was, if my math is correct, our 57th presidential election. So this one was not in the top 20% of "closest presidential elections".
 
2012-11-09 10:51:04 AM  
This is true, subby. Hell, in 2008, people were so sick of Republicans they would've voted a black man in.
 
2012-11-09 10:51:08 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


Serious question... for future elections, should the GOP go more right or more left? The GOP got shellacked pretty well in 2012 so they have to do something different.

The GOP kept saying Obama is the worst president to ever president while presidentin'... he is going to have to run on his record... 8% unemployment for 6 years in a row.. blah blah blah, and yet they could not beat him. What's the solution for them to win again? Go more right or more left?
 
2012-11-09 10:56:33 AM  

EponymousCowHerd: skullkrusher: bulldg4life: Shaggy_C: 50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Losing every single swing state is a crushing defeat.

12th closest Presidential election in history in terms of the popular vote and that's including the always annoying "lose the pop vote, win the EC" instances

This was, if my math is correct, our 57th presidential election. So this one was not in the top 20% of "closest presidential elections".


The wiki data only starts at the 10th election since pop votes weren't tallied prior to that so it was closer than roughly 75% of the elections since 1824
 
2012-11-09 10:58:46 AM  

hugram: Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Serious question... for future elections, should the GOP go more right or more left? The GOP got shellacked pretty well in 2012 so they have to do something different.

The GOP kept saying Obama is the worst president to ever president while presidentin'... he is going to have to run on his record... 8% unemployment for 6 years in a row.. blah blah blah, and yet they could not beat him. What's the solution for them to win again? Go more right or more left?


my prediction is some will become more moderate, but the far more vocal wing of the party will go farther right. By coming to the center you're admitting in the past you were wrong on some things and everyone knows admitting you're changing some of your ideas is seen by GOP leaders as a sign of weakness. They'll double down with the crazy
 
2012-11-09 11:03:29 AM  
Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.
 
2012-11-09 11:09:25 AM  

Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.


290-206 is.
 
2012-11-09 11:10:54 AM  

Cletus C.: Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.


I'm gonna steal HWC's joke and say "McConnell should be able to claim victory after making sure Obama is only a 2 term president"
 
2012-11-09 11:14:29 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: As Johnny Carson would say, "I did not know this". I'm curious what the 30-44 number is.


He lost 18-29 by 23 points and 30-44 by 7.
 
2012-11-09 11:15:44 AM  
It was a crushing defeat. If it hadn't been for gerrymandering and Steve Israel being an incompetent Blue Dog moran the democrats would swept the House as well.

More Americans voted to elect democratic congressmen than to elect republican congressmen.

Just be thankful we don't have a parliamentary system, republicans.
 
2012-11-09 11:19:50 AM  

Cletus C.: Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.


You think you are joking but if the GOP works with Obama or if the DNC takes back the House in 2014, that will indeed by Obama's 3rd victory. His 4th victory will be a DNC win in 2016.
 
2012-11-09 11:20:59 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

290-206 is.


it's probably 332-206 pending FL which is still being counted AFAIK. Good for the 36th highest % of the EC vote in all 56 Presidential elections since 1789
 
2012-11-09 11:21:02 AM  

mrshowrules: Grayson's back also. LOL.


Really? That's awesome. It's good to have a brash liberal around again, now that Wiener is gone and Rahm Emmanuel is running Chicago.
 
2012-11-09 11:25:12 AM  

hugram: Shaggy_C: somedude210: Considering that it was such a crushing defeat for uber-conservative thinking, I'm inclined to agree.

50-48 is not a crushing defeat.

Serious question... for future elections, should the GOP go more right or more left? The GOP got shellacked pretty well in 2012 so they have to do something different.

The GOP kept saying Obama is the worst president to ever president while presidentin'... he is going to have to run on his record... 8% unemployment for 6 years in a row.. blah blah blah, and yet they could not beat him. What's the solution for them to win again? Go more right or more left?


That's hard to say. The Teatards & Freepers will go harder right, that's for sure. The bulk of the GOP? I don't know. We know they SHOULD move more to the middle and stop relying on a dying breed for their votes. But they've pretty much been hijacked by the Teatards. The Tea Party candidates are certifiably crazy & 60+ of them managed to get re-elected. I can honestly see them holding the moderates hostage--"Nice little majority you got there. Shame if something happened to it." They'd probably drive us over the fiscal cliff just to prove a point.

I hope the GOP don't figure out what went wrong until after 2016. The Dems need to hold the presidency just one more term in order to fully break the idiocy that is the GOP right now. As of Tuesday, they can still claim that Obama was elected because of his personality or that he's black. Get someone else in there for 2016--but I have no clue who--and use the same ground game to get out the vote. That should get the GOP back on the road to semi-normalcy.
 
2012-11-09 11:33:22 AM  
So, $16 trillion, headed for $23 trillion by 2016, how is this going to end well?  I mean this we don't have a plan, we just don't like yours shiat seems . . . inadequate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_f20ZDBj5k

Whatever social issues you care about, (live and let live sounds good to me), how do you people not go all Private Hudson when you look at that graph? 

This is the plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAyviuuk_VY

I want to believe, I need to believe, but give me something other than ""We're going to keep on trying a bunch of stuff until something works" 

FFS, this what we're counting on?
 
2012-11-09 11:36:34 AM  

skullkrusher: it's probably 332-206 pending FL which is still being counted AFAIK.


i believe it's been called for obama. huffpo is showing it solid blue with obama having 332 EVs.
 
2012-11-09 11:39:58 AM  

Blathering Idjut: It was a crushing defeat. If it hadn't been for gerrymandering and Steve Israel being an incompetent Blue Dog moran the democrats would swept the House as well.

More Americans voted to elect democratic congressmen than to elect republican congressmen.

Just be thankful we don't have a parliamentary system, republicans.


I don't know if it's really gerrymandering. They use PA as an example - but look at PA. Obama won Philadelphia County by 460,000 votes. His margin in PA as a whole was about 290,000. if there were 12 congressional districts that had a long tendril into Philadelphia County to spread out the Philly vote across more districts, that would be gerrymandering. As it is, they end up with enormous victories in Philly and the surrounding counties and more narrow losses across the rest of the state.
 
2012-11-09 11:40:48 AM  

hugram: The GOP kept saying Obama is the worst president to ever president while presidentin'... he is going to have to run on his record... 8% unemployment for 6 years in a row.. blah blah blah, and yet they could not beat him. What's the solution for them to win again? Go more right or more left?


I don't think I answered this part of your question clearly enough. The GOP lost because they were overconfident, end of story. They were blissfully ignorant inside of their own echo chamber, calling all the polls "skewed", dismissing Nate Silver, ignoring demographics, denouncing fact-checkers, and looking to Karl Rove's legendary tactics--lie, lie some more, defame, and maybe lie.

Problem is, the country has changed too much since 2000 for them to rely on that kind of strategy. Not just demographic changes but now there's a whole voting bloc that grew up w/the internet. They can fact-check or look up issues in a flash. Some become aware of issues long before the media reports them, let alone wait for politicians to react to them. How long did OWS go on before anyone bother to report on it? Or the revolutions in the Middle East?

And Obama's camp not only knew this, they fully embraced it, Tweeting like mad, buying up all sorts of URL's, and utilizing social media. The GOP is still figuring out what the hell makes the internet run and Obama's organizing flash mobs to run circles around them.

Now, look again at Romney's campaign. The RNC was based on an out-of-context statement. They picked a Romney, Jr. as a VP (then, oddly muzzled him. Other than the RNC & the VP debate, did Ryan do any real speeches? Then compare that to the obsequiousness of Palin). They told the same message over and over again--the old stand-by of telling a lie often enough will get people to believe it. They steered hard right for over a year, even going right of freakin' PERRY in the debates. And all because they thought that once they had the base, they had a comfortable win. They looked at the 2008 numbers, utterly believed their own hype about Obama's supporters turning on him, and decided they'd win. And once they decided that, they stopped researching. They never ran a ground game, never addressed any real problems, and just ASSUMED that 53% of America would flock to them because that's how they read the statistics.
 
2012-11-09 11:43:26 AM  

FlashHarry: skullkrusher: it's probably 332-206 pending FL which is still being counted AFAIK.

i believe it's been called for obama. huffpo is showing it solid blue with obama having 332 EVs.


WaPo still has it a lighter shade of blue
 
2012-11-09 11:44:05 AM  

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.

You think you are joking but if the GOP works with Obama or if the DNC takes back the House in 2014, that will indeed by Obama's 3rd victory. His 4th victory will be a DNC win in 2016.


And his fifth will be his head added to Mount Rushmore.
 
2012-11-09 11:47:57 AM  

Arkanaut: mrshowrules: Grayson's back also. LOL.

Really? That's awesome. It's good to have a brash liberal around again, now that Wiener is gone and Rahm Emmanuel is running Chicago.


Wiener might come back to. It wouldn't surprise me.
 
2012-11-09 11:48:49 AM  

mrshowrules: Arkanaut: mrshowrules: Grayson's back also. LOL.

Really? That's awesome. It's good to have a brash liberal around again, now that Wiener is gone and Rahm Emmanuel is running Chicago.

Wiener might come back to. It wouldn't surprise me.


His refractory period is over. It's time for Wiener to rise again.
 
2012-11-09 11:52:12 AM  

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.

You think you are joking but if the GOP works with Obama or if the DNC takes back the House in 2014, that will indeed by Obama's 3rd victory. His 4th victory will be a DNC win in 2016.

And his fifth will be his head added to Mount Rushmore.

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This was the fastest I have ever clicked on the 'Funny' button.
 
2012-11-09 11:53:33 AM  

Cletus C.: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: Obama's third victory will be the one for the history books.

You think you are joking but if the GOP works with Obama or if the DNC takes back the House in 2014, that will indeed by Obama's 3rd victory. His 4th victory will be a DNC win in 2016.

And his fifth will be his head added to Mount Rushmore.


Depends if you mean in stone or his actual head.

/loving the GOP butthurt.
 
2012-11-09 12:13:38 PM  

mrshowrules: Grayson's back also. LOL.


F'ing awesome. That's a cherry on top of a great election sundae.
 
2012-11-09 12:53:24 PM  
Numerically, I'd say it was close, and it certainly isn't helpful that the House is still Republican. Psychologically, however, I'd call the victory "overwhelming" just because of all that the President's team was having to swim upstream against, and because of the smug expectations of the Fox Noise crowd.
 
2012-11-09 02:16:31 PM  
I for one am hoping Obama, without the distraction of considering how his actions might affect his re-election chances, grabs the GOP by the balls and twists them into a knot so tight that by the end of his term they are reduced to a pack of glazed eyed idiots mumbling to themselves something about a mandate from the people.
 
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