Theaetetus: RoyBatty: Would it be accurate to paraphrase Cordelia Fine as saying, "wrt the brainz, there is no difference between men's and women's brainz?"Nope.
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draypresct: Theaetetus: RoyBatty: Would it be accurate to paraphrase Cordelia Fine as saying, "wrt the brainz, there is no difference between men's and women's brainz?"Nope.This.
t3knomanser: In certain circles, it is politically incorrect to suggest that men and women are different.Oh, christ, you're really breaking out this strawman? And then bringing up the guy who basically tried to extend the much derided The Bell Curve to gender bias in engineering professions?Hey, buddy, I know you've never seen a vagina nor touched a breast, but everybody else is quite aware that women are different than men in several important ways.
RoyBatty: draypresct: Theaetetus: RoyBatty: Would it be accurate to paraphrase Cordelia Fine as saying, "wrt the brainz, there is no difference between men's and women's brainz?"Nope.This.And yet, neither you nor Theaetetus can offer anything other than "No".Perhaps you can do us all the favor of explaining how Cordelia Fine is not saying there is no difference in the brains of men and women?
Theaetetus: As of yet, I haven't seen any explanation of how RoyBatty is not saying that he has a special fetish for goats. Clearly, in the absence of any such explanation, we must assume that's what he's saying.... Or we could be reasonable, rational people, and not make people jump through hoops to distance themselves from things they never said. Instead, as rational, reasonable people, when someone says, "person X is saying this irrational thing," we should respond by asking that person to prove that X ever said that, particularly if X isn't here to defend themselves from such baseless accusations.... Or we could be like Roy.
draypresct: And yet, despite certain people's fears, the author of the book has yet to be sued or harassed by the vast feminist movement that researchers apparently live in fear of.
Dr Dreidel: Thanks for lumping us all together, dick.
Quantum Apostrophe: Well, women live longer for one. Almost as if there were female carbon atoms that know to age differently.
Need_MindBleach: That was one hell of a strawpersonstrawchild.
StoPPeRmobile: Need_MindBleach: That was one hell of a strawpersonstrawchild.FTFY
RoyBatty: Cordelia Fine is a Ph.D neuroscientist and psychologist and writes frequently in magazines and books about gender differences and the lack thereof in the brain
RoyBatty: However, instead of showing us using Fine's own works that Fine does not think that men and women's brains are mostly alike
RoyBatty: you, immediately accuse me of having a goat fetish and saying I have to prove I do not, and say it is unreasonable of me to ask you to demonstrate something that Fine has never said.
RoyBatty: So let's review, in response to a description of Fine in an interview as saying that she can't accept that boys and girls brains are as different as we assume
RoyBatty: I would think this is a straight forward question and easy to answer by picking up her latest book and reading it.
JericoPaladin: Here's a novel concept for many people:"Man" != "male""Woman" != "female"This is the central problem with this debate. The words are not interchangeable. A biological male is not necessarily a man. A biological female is not necessarily a woman.It is willful myopia to say that differing genetics do not account for biological differences. I'm not sure anyone can argue that. What the argument typically entails is that we easily ascribe to unfounded biological differences what can often be ascribed to social or environmental factors... or at the very least, we don't know certain causes but like to posit that "it's just the difference between men and women!" and not "it's the difference we force between men and women".When a feminist commenter uses the word "woman", it generally does refer to a female person, just statistically, but the concept she invokes is that of gender, not sex. When an opponent of that position is speaking, they use "woman" and "female" interchangeably, and confound the ideas of gender and sex. Obviously if you're not speaking the same language, you're going to argue nonsensically. The article makes no distinction between gender and sex, so it's arguing with a straw feminist that also makes no such distinction, despite the fact that the distinction is central to the debate.Please, please, PLEASE create medical solutions based on my Y chromosome. I'm all for it. Male and female brains may have the tendency to have particular innate differences... but just like it may once have been stated, with no twing of humor, that housekeeping is "in a woman's blood", more subtly sexist commentary may be made today about neurological differences between sexes that don't actually exist. The contention is not that you can't tell the difference between males and females; it's that you should hold your horses before generalizing behaviors based on those differences.We used to talk about behavioral differences between races, even going so far as to cal ...
JericoPaladin: A biological male who lives life as a woman is a woman
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