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2012-11-09 01:25:08 PM  
Wahlberg was the weakest part of that Planet of the Apes movie he did.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:13 PM  

Teufelaffe: Just Arrived: Wettner: I have only seen part of a bad of Marky Mark movie - The Happening. His acting was so bad it was tough to watch and I never finished it. Plus you, know plot.

But what I have seen, I have enjoyed:

Boogie Nights
The Fighter
The Italian Job
The Departed
The Other Guys
Shooter
Four Brothers

So he can't be too bad in Transformers, a franchise known for scene chewing lead actors.

Dude. You forgot "The Big Hit".
I don't know how you did that, but you did it.
/if you haven't seen it you should

Indeed. That definitely belongs on the List of Mark Wahlberg Movies That Do Not Suck®.


Great minds and all that.
 
2012-11-09 01:36:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: homarjr:
The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


You know Mark Ruffalo is a real person, right?
 
2012-11-09 01:40:03 PM  

homarjr: scottydoesntknow: homarjr:
The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

You know Mark Ruffalo is a real person, right?


I do, I just didn't know he was 9 feet tall and green with anger problems.
 
2012-11-09 01:43:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: homarjr: scottydoesntknow: homarjr:
The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

You know Mark Ruffalo is a real person, right?

I do, I just didn't know he was 9 feet tall and green with anger problems.


Well duh, why do you think he got cast? I have to admit, the CGI of him as Dr. Banner was really well done, looked very realistic. I mean, look at this:
www.dailyactor.com
You almost can't tell it's computer generated.
 
2012-11-09 01:44:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: devilEther: My reaction was 'why the hell would Mark Wahlberg do a Transformers movie?' He's apparently into collecting big paychecks now rather than doing good movies.

Michael Caine did "Jaws: Revenge"
Al Pacino did "Jack & Jill" AND "Gigli"
Ben Kingsly did "The Love Guru"
Tommy Lee Jones did "Man of the House"
John Malkovich did "Jonah Hex"

I think your argument is invalid


oh, so Walhberg is only playing a minor character and will have little screen time. well, that's cool then.
 
2012-11-09 01:45:59 PM  

WhippingBoy: I don't hate Marky-Mark.
I do hate Shia LeBeouf.
I don't hate the Transformers.
I do hate Michael Bay.

I don't know what to think about this...


well said... though, of all those things, i actually like Marky Mark the least....
 
2012-11-09 01:47:51 PM  

homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

Batman is a little different than Transformers. You're going to have a hard time making an adult-themed movie about fighting robots. And, more importantly, you're going to have a hard time making it nearly as successful as the ones that we already have.

The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?


District 9
 
2012-11-09 01:51:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: homarjr: scottydoesntknow: homarjr:
The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

You know Mark Ruffalo is a real person, right?

I do, I just didn't know he was 9 feet tall and green with anger problems.


The Hulk would be a shiate character without Bruce Banner.
 
2012-11-09 01:52:12 PM  

Teufelaffe: Just Arrived: Wettner: I have only seen part of a bad of Marky Mark movie - The Happening. His acting was so bad it was tough to watch and I never finished it. Plus you, know plot.

But what I have seen, I have enjoyed:

Boogie Nights
The Fighter
The Italian Job
The Departed
The Other Guys
Shooter
Four Brothers

So he can't be too bad in Transformers, a franchise known for scene chewing lead actors.

Dude. You forgot "The Big Hit".
I don't know how you did that, but you did it.
/if you haven't seen it you should

Indeed. That definitely belongs on the List of Mark Wahlberg Movies That Do Not Suck®.


Really? Maybe I'll have to check that out again. I was young when it first came out and seemed to be in the target demo, but I remember hating it.

As for whalberg, I think he's generally a mediocre actor who has picked some good roles. I did think he was a bit overrated where The Departed is concerned.

And as for Transformers, they could have been more than a giant cgi circle jerk.
 
2012-11-09 01:55:25 PM  

Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

Batman is a little different than Transformers. You're going to have a hard time making an adult-themed movie about fighting robots. And, more importantly, you're going to have a hard time making it nearly as successful as the ones that we already have.

The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

District 9


Wikus turns into a 100% CGI character, but he doesn't start out that way.

Optimus Prime is, and always will be, only CGI, with no actor behind the role. I think this makes a huge difference. It's probably why Transformers should be left as a cartoon.

/spoiler alert?
//D9 is 3 years old now ... I hope I ruined it for the unfortunate few who haven't seen it
 
2012-11-09 02:08:07 PM  

homarjr: Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

District 9

Wikus turns into a 100% CGI character, but he doesn't start out that way.

Optimus Prime is, and always will be, only CGI, with no actor behind the role. I think this makes a huge difference. It's probably why Transformers should be left as a cartoon.

/spoiler alert?
//D9 is 3 years old now ... I hope I ruined it for the unfortunate few who haven't seen it


The other aliens are always aliens. They have personality. At least the main ones.

The mimimal focus of TF is a boy and his car. Bay had a sliver of that. If the audience feels something when Bumblebee or Prime get hurt the filmmakers are doing something right.
 
2012-11-09 02:23:13 PM  
Michael Bay brings you "Mark Wahlberg talks to robots"

i745.photobucket.com
"Hey Bumblebee. How's it going. Great. Say hello to your mother for me."
 
2012-11-09 02:25:24 PM  
The only problem I see with this is that if there's anything off about the production (and let's be honest. I'm a Michael Bay fan, but he can go off the rails at times), as sure as the day is long, Mark will sleepwalk through the entire movie to get to the paycheck.
 
2012-11-09 02:26:44 PM  

Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

District 9

Wikus turns into a 100% CGI character, but he doesn't start out that way.

Optimus Prime is, and always will be, only CGI, with no actor behind the role. I think this makes a huge difference. It's probably why Transformers should be left as a cartoon.

/spoiler alert?
//D9 is 3 years old now ... I hope I ruined it for the unfortunate few who haven't seen it

The other aliens are always aliens. They have personality. At least the main ones.

The mimimal focus of TF is a boy and his car. Bay had a sliver of that. If the audience feels something when Bumblebee or Prime get hurt the filmmakers are doing something right.


My argument is about the main character in the story, and in the Transformers, nobody wants it to be Sam. Prime is the one we all want to see, doing his thing, leading the Autobots and kicking ass. But Bay focused on Sam and his girlfriend/family, because movies generally need a "human" protaganist to do well. Can't really blame him for that either.

If the main focus of Transformers were on Prime, then the movie should be a cartoon. I think it would work much better that way. But since we have a live-action Transformers movie, I think this is the best it can actually be. And it's a little unfortunate.

As for feeling something when they get hurt - did you really care when Prime died? I didn't. I definitely cried like a little girl in the original cartoon movie though (age might have something to do with that though).
 
2012-11-09 02:40:49 PM  

homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

As for feeling something when they get hurt - did you really care when Prime died? I didn't. I definitely cried like a little girl in the original cartoon movie though (age might have something to do with that though).


No, sorry, I meant you should, which was not the case in the Bay movies.

Unfortunately there has to be a Sam type for the audience. Longer forms like the cartoon or comic can ditch the human for a while but the kid has to be there at the start of a TF adventure.
 
2012-11-09 02:48:56 PM  

Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

As for feeling something when they get hurt - did you really care when Prime died? I didn't. I definitely cried like a little girl in the original cartoon movie though (age might have something to do with that though).

No, sorry, I meant you should, which was not the case in the Bay movies.

Unfortunately there has to be a Sam type for the audience. Longer forms like the cartoon or comic can ditch the human for a while but the kid has to be there at the start of a TF adventure.


OK I agree, you definitely should care....

I'm not entirely sure if you need Sam if it were a cartoon. I think you could make a great TF movie that takes place entirely on Cybertron. These characters may not be human whatsoever, but they have human emotions, and that could be all that really matters.

But, if you want the story on Earth, you need humans for sure. The interaction between humans and the transformers is what the live-action movies have been entirely about. I think the biggest problem is that this is a far contrast from the original cartoon.
 
2012-11-09 03:11:56 PM  

Already Disturbed: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


Synergy.
 
2012-11-09 03:22:36 PM  

homarjr: Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

Batman is a little different than Transformers. You're going to have a hard time making an adult-themed movie about fighting robots. And, more importantly, you're going to have a hard time making it nearly as successful as the ones that we already have.

The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

District 9

Wikus turns into a 100% CGI character, but he doesn't start out that way.

Optimus Prime is, and always will be, only CGI, with no actor behind the role. I think this makes a huge difference. It's probably why Transformers should be left as a cartoon.

/spoiler alert?
//D9 is 3 years old now ... I hope I ruined it for the unfortunate few who haven't seen it


Say what you will about the films, but just look at any of the Andy Serkis performances. CGI from start to finish.

Or he'll, if you want a robot example how about Wall-E?
 
2012-11-09 03:32:59 PM  
Mr. Bay, please include a recreation of the Fear rollercoaster scene with whoever the new vapid love interest is, but have the rollercoaster transform into a Decepticon. Somehow, in the midst of battle, Mark's dripping, sullied fingers can damage the Decepticon's circuits or something, ultimately leaving our hero victorious, fingers aloft.
 
2012-11-09 03:42:58 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr: Decillion: homarjr:

Batman is a little different than Transformers. You're going to have a hard time making an adult-themed movie about fighting robots. And, more importantly, you're going to have a hard time making it nearly as successful as the ones that we already have.

The main character in these movies is one that requires full CGI. Name another movie that has that, but is on the level of Nolan's Batman?

District 9

Wikus turns into a 100% CGI character, but he doesn't start out that way.

Optimus Prime is, and always will be, only CGI, with no actor behind the role. I think this makes a huge difference. It's probably why Transformers should be left as a cartoon.

/spoiler alert?
//D9 is 3 years old now ... I hope I ruined it for the unfortunate few who haven't seen it

Say what you will about the films, but just look at any of the Andy Serkis performances. CGI from start to finish.

Or he'll, if you want a robot example how about Wall-E?


Gollum and Casaer are not the main protaganists of their respective movies. Wall-E is a cartoon.

My entire point is that TF doesn't work as a live-action film because the character we all want to be the main protaganist is 100% CGI.
 
2012-11-09 03:53:23 PM  

homarjr: My entire point is that TF doesn't work as a live-action film for people who are cold and dead inside because the character we all want to be the main protaganist is 100% CGI.


FTFY

Some of us don't require a character to be real or human in a live-action film in order to identify with or care about them. See: Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Short Circut, E.T., etc.

And no, "Those characters aren't CGI" won't fly as an argument. They're not human and were created solely via special effects. And if you can tell me that you didn't identify and sympathize with E.T., Roger, or Johnny Five, and fully accept them as the main protagonist in their respective films, then you have no soul.
 
2012-11-09 04:35:45 PM  

Teufelaffe: homarjr: My entire point is that TF doesn't work as a live-action film for people who are cold and dead inside because the character we all want to be the main protaganist is 100% CGI.

FTFY

Some of us don't require a character to be real or human in a live-action film in order to identify with or care about them. See: Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Short Circut, E.T., etc.

And no, "Those characters aren't CGI" won't fly as an argument. They're not human and were created solely via special effects. And if you can tell me that you didn't identify and sympathize with E.T., Roger, or Johnny Five, and fully accept them as the main protagonist in their respective films, then you have no soul.


OK, I get your point. And I'm not trying to say I don't sympathize with those characters. But the way I see it, the main characters in those movies are Eddie, Stephanie and Elliot, not Roger, Number 5 and ET. Just like Sam is the main character in TF, and not Optimus. You identify with the human in the movie, not the special effect.

The difference being that Optimus is the character I think we want to identify with the most. I'd want him to get most of the screen time. The humans in the movies you mentioned are necessary and add to the story. The humans in TF take away from it, because it's a remake of an older story where the humans were basically irrelevant. Updating it to include a human story doesn't help. Him being CGI isn't the issue I have I guess, it's that humans shouldn't be in this story. But, in a live-action movie, the interaction between humans and the CGI characters is a must, and this is why TF fell short.

It makes sense in my head anyway.
 
2012-11-09 06:09:59 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: "You farking Vietnam shiat" -Marky Mark on blinding innocent old men.

fark that asshole

Once a criminal, always a criminal, eh?

Note that I am in no way condoning Marky Mark's actions. I am however, disappointed that so many people just love to judge others based on how they behaved decades ago, while completely ignoring everything they may had done in the interim. Hell, I was arrested for shoplifting when I was 17 (ordered to attend a 'scared straight' program, no fines, no jail/juvie time). I've never stolen anything since then, and I'm 38 now...am I still a thief because of what I did 21 years ago?


There is a world of difference between ganking a pack of gum and a hate crime that ends with a blind man.
 
2012-11-09 06:16:20 PM  
I like Mark Wahlberg. I think he is a versatile actor.
 
2012-11-09 10:31:34 PM  

Onkel Buck: I like Mark Wahlberg. I think he is a versatile actor.


Me too. I've never seen a Transformers movie, though.
 
2012-11-09 10:58:10 PM  

President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: "You farking Vietnam shiat" -Marky Mark on blinding innocent old men.

fark that asshole

Once a criminal, always a criminal, eh?

Note that I am in no way condoning Marky Mark's actions. I am however, disappointed that so many people just love to judge others based on how they behaved decades ago, while completely ignoring everything they may had done in the interim. Hell, I was arrested for shoplifting when I was 17 (ordered to attend a 'scared straight' program, no fines, no jail/juvie time). I've never stolen anything since then, and I'm 38 now...am I still a thief because of what I did 21 years ago?

There is a world of difference between ganking a pack of gum and a hate crime that ends with a blind man.


And that's why violent crimes carry a life sentence in this country, because everyone who commits them can never change, they can never turn their life around. They will always and forever be violent scum, and we should treat them as such. It's patently obvious that what someone did 20 years ago is the perfect way to judge them for the rest of their life. That's why countries like Norway that have tried treating their prisoners (even violent ones) like humans who need rehabilitation, instead of terrible people who are beyond redemption, have the highest criminal recommitment rates in the world.

Wait, did I say "highest"? Sorry, I meant "lowest". Turns out, when you treat people who do bad things like they're still humans capable of redemption, they tend to, well, redeeem themselves. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone, some people are just broken, but since we haven't seen Mr. Wahlberg actually beating anyone in 20+ years, I'd say that he might actually be a different person now. Or, you know, you could be right and he's exactly the same and if you're not careful he's gonna take a stick to you any second now.  LOOK OUT!
 
2012-11-09 11:34:01 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: "You farking Vietnam shiat" -Marky Mark on blinding innocent old men.

fark that asshole

Once a criminal, always a criminal, eh?

Note that I am in no way condoning Marky Mark's actions. I am however, disappointed that so many people just love to judge others based on how they behaved decades ago, while completely ignoring everything they may had done in the interim. Hell, I was arrested for shoplifting when I was 17 (ordered to attend a 'scared straight' program, no fines, no jail/juvie time). I've never stolen anything since then, and I'm 38 now...am I still a thief because of what I did 21 years ago?

There is a world of difference between ganking a pack of gum and a hate crime that ends with a blind man.

And that's why violent crimes carry a life sentence in this country, because everyone who commits them can never change, they can never turn their life around. They will always and forever be violent scum, and we should treat them as such. It's patently obvious that what someone did 20 years ago is the perfect way to judge them for the rest of their life. That's why countries like Norway that have tried treating their prisoners (even violent ones) like humans who need rehabilitation, instead of terrible people who are beyond redemption, have the highest criminal recommitment rates in the world.

Wait, did I say "highest"? Sorry, I meant "lowest". Turns out, when you treat people who do bad things like they're still humans capable of redemption, they tend to, well, redeeem themselves. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone, some people are just broken, but since we haven't seen Mr. Wahlberg actually beating anyone in 20+ years, I'd say that he might actually be a different person now. Or, you know, you could be right and he's exactly the same and if you're not careful he's gonna take a stick to you any second now.  LOOK OUT!


sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.
 
2012-11-09 11:57:44 PM  
transformers fans =/= America

/Go-Bots fan
 
2012-11-09 11:58:30 PM  

President Merkin Muffley: sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.


You're adorable.
 
2012-11-10 12:02:57 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.

You're adorable.


Says the guy arguing that violate hate crimes are morally equivalent to shoplifting.

fark yourself.
 
2012-11-10 12:43:01 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.

You're adorable.

Says the guy arguing that violate hate crimes are morally equivalent to shoplifting.

fark yourself.


If that's what you got from what I wrote, you're a farking moron. But then again, you're the one judging someone you've never met based solely on something they did 20 years ago, so I guess it's not suprising that you'd turn out to be develepmentally disabled.
 
2012-11-10 01:34:23 AM  

whatshisname: Onkel Buck: I like Mark Wahlberg. I think he is a versatile actor.

Me too. I've never seen a Transformers movie, though.


Transformers is the best of the three. Revenge of the Fallen has not aged well. Dark of the Moon is really good, and would almost be the best, had it not attempted to foster some of the backfiring humor of Revenge in the first half.
 
2012-11-10 01:41:20 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.

You're adorable.

Says the guy arguing that violate hate crimes are morally equivalent to shoplifting.

fark yourself.

If that's what you got from what I wrote, you're a farking moron. But then again, you're the one judging someone you've never met based solely on something they did 20 years ago, so I guess it's not suprising that you'd turn out to be develepmentally disabled.


Can't argue the point? Argue the man!

You are really terrible at this, you know.
 
2012-11-10 03:04:30 AM  
I can take the humans.

If I take the recent movies with an open mind, they're good time wasters. Some cool scenes, story was thin but that's fine since I'm turning of my brain.

But when Shia kills Starscream, that's when I draw the line. Fark that. Fark it all Farking Fark.
 
2012-11-10 11:12:07 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: President Merkin Muffley: sniff sniff. Smells like desperation.

You're adorable.

Says the guy arguing that violate hate crimes are morally equivalent to shoplifting.

fark yourself.

If that's what you got from what I wrote, you're a farking moron. But then again, you're the one judging someone you've never met based solely on something they did 20 years ago, so I guess it's not suprising that you'd turn out to be develepmentally disabled.

Can't argue the point? Argue the man!

You are really terrible at this, you know.


Ooh, so now you've moved from missing the point to projection. Nice. Listen, I've already argued the point, and your response was to accuse me of desperation. I'm sorry you couldn't argue your position better, but you really should give it up now, because you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. You're obviously an overly judgmental person who doesn't understand concepts like redemption or rehabilitation, so it would really be best for everyone if you were to stop talking. You're not adding anything to the discussion, and you're probably hurting Mark's feelings. If it makes you feel any better, I've got things to do this weekend and probably won't be back in this thread, so feel free to get the last word. I'm sure everyone else in here is waiting with bated breath for your next triumphant post.
 
2012-11-10 01:45:43 PM  

whatshisname: Onkel Buck: I like Mark Wahlberg. I think he is a versatile actor.

Me too. I've never seen a Transformers movie, though.


Interestingly enough neither have I. Just glimpses when flipping channels, I dont know what the plot is.
 
2012-11-11 04:20:56 AM  

dancindan84: Michael Bay brings you "Mark Wahlberg talks to robots"

[i745.photobucket.com image 430x258]
"Hey Bumblebee. How's it going. Great. Say hello to your mother for me."


Oh dear Gawd, SNL is really gonna do this when Walberg hosts to promote the movie.
 
2012-11-12 11:38:11 AM  
The Transformers movies suck, and Shia has sucked in everything he's been in...until the recent "Lawless".

Decent, if violent, flick about moonshiners, based on a true story. Go see it.

Shia reminds me of Leonardo DiCaprio, who I couldn't stand, until he matured a bit...Catch Me If You Can is a decent film.
 
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