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2001-11-21 12:01:22 AM  
mmmmmm. tofurky. *wretch*
2001-11-21 12:01:45 AM  
2001-11-21 12:02:11 AM  
2001-11-21 12:06:33 AM  
Tofu itself isn't too bad. But PETA sucks.
2001-11-21 12:06:53 AM  
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2001-11-21 12:07:12 AM  
Anything that can eat a human should be able to be eaten by humans.
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2001-11-21 12:07:50 AM  
Maybe it's a part of a program to scare the homeless into finding jobs...
2001-11-21 12:08:12 AM  
2001-11-21 12:11:45 AM  
Oh cry me a farking river... don't like it don't eat it. At least they're donating food to shelters. Probably a damn sight more nutritious than the normal influx of creamed corn and kraft dinner that people give just so that they can clean out their cupboards.

I'm sure all the complainers already bagged up a ton of 'real' food and brought it down to their local shelters...thus giving them some right to complain.

2001-11-21 12:11:48 AM  
Why are they trying to starve the homeless?
2001-11-21 12:12:16 AM  
Just great, this will cause more of them to commit suicide.
2001-11-21 12:12:57 AM  
OH, I guess the stumps are good enough for the homeless? They'll never know, just send them the stumps after you pop the top!
2001-11-21 12:17:25 AM  
So, like, will they send tofu frogs to Bush?
2001-11-21 12:22:14 AM  
"Anything that can eat a human should be able to be eaten by humans"

turkeys eat humans?
2001-11-21 12:25:19 AM  
I can see where this thread is leading.

Lets all dance.

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2001-11-21 12:27:40 AM  

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2001-11-21 12:32:56 AM  
Peta can GOBBLE GOBBLE my rod. Meat is murder, but it sure tastes good! They ruin all of the hot chicks minds with this scientology type bullshiat. Anything to have them wear a salad, though....
2001-11-21 12:42:09 AM  
I thought we're supposed to be nicer to eachother since the 11th not much more horribly crueler!
I'd rather eat a generic brand "mixed meat" hotdog myself...
2001-11-21 12:43:06 AM  
I think Peta should give themselves to Naafa
2001-11-21 12:44:25 AM  
well, hating PETA is pretty much constant no matter what situations may arise. this is the first nice thing they've done in a long time
2001-11-21 12:46:02 AM  
"I'm sure all the complainers already bagged up a ton of 'real' food and brought it down to their local shelters...thus giving them some right to complain."

No, I bagged up some real food (staples, like sugar, flour, cream of chicken soup, rice, etc.) and donated it to the Kansas City Harvesters. It's really easy. They give you the bag, you buy the food, and they take it right at the store.
2001-11-21 12:49:36 AM  
soup lines
free loaves of bread
5lb blocks of cheese
bags of groceries
social security
has run out on you and me
we do whatever we can
gotta duck when the sh-- hits the fan
2001-11-21 12:49:38 AM  
as an ex vegetarian, who did it more for health and ecological reasons as opposed to animal rights reasons, i dont really get how it is "scientology type bullshiat"...

i mean, one can take it as far as a political statement, but for a lot of people, its just a dietary choice... no biggie... jeez. (yes, peta is dumb.. yes, no one can make someone else not eat meat... etc, etc...)

now,scientologists? they are just fruitcakes.

i dont really get the connection there.
2001-11-21 12:52:46 AM  
Ten kids in a Cadillac
stand in line for welfare checks
let's all leech off the state
gee, the money's really great

Doobie da doo wop wop say what yeah
2001-11-21 01:03:17 AM  
2001-11-21 01:03:49 AM  
"The group is also shipping tofu jerky samples to the Norfolk-based aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, now deployed in the bombing campaign in Afghanistan."

Oh, THAT will do WONDERS for morale.
2001-11-21 01:04:10 AM  
Oops. Sorry about the tags, folks.
2001-11-21 01:10:34 AM  
Having been in the boy scouts and been in the middle of the mountains hunting around for nuts and berries after being out there a week, I can say with authority that if you're hungry enough you'll eat just about anything.

Having dated multiple vegetarians (while remaining a rabid carnivore myself), I can say with authority that tofurkey may be the exception to that.
2001-11-21 01:12:55 AM  
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2001-11-21 01:27:43 AM  
'The year is 2140 AD...the place, earth. After the last natural food is used up, the population of earth is forced to eat only Soylent Green. PETA, who was formerly 'anti-meat' is forced to quickly change their stance to 'Meat is wrong...if it's from an animal.'. Employees of the Fark Megacorporation laugh.'
2001-11-21 01:34:57 AM  
Even soy-gluten "meat" is better than tofu...

poor homeless people
2001-11-21 01:38:45 AM  
thank you WageSlave. the rest of you people, isn't it good enough that they're donating food to homeless shelters? so for whatever reason most of you have this knee-jerk reaction to processed soybeans. fine, you have jobs, feel free to be picky. we are a capitalist society after all. but how can you fault them for of all things donating food to the hungry? and what's with that guy who said that thing about scientology? could somebody explain that to me?
2001-11-21 01:43:26 AM  
Ya gotta love the leafeaters for trying but I myself have eyes that face FORWARD. That would make me a predator, not prey. The only use I have for plants is decorating my house so that the ladies get that "he's a nest builder type, I should probably give up the booty" idea in their heads.
2001-11-21 01:43:55 AM  
I agree with Soylent Bob. I'm sure that truly needy people will be happy with being able to eat something at all.

Beggars can't be choosers...
2001-11-21 01:57:50 AM  
yay, PETA grows a brain. Actually doing something useful for a change.

Pity, though. I was looking forward to more good looking girls in bikinis made of lettuce, throwing their philosophy at me and telling me I should eat more vegetables. Well, tell ya what, babe, I could use a little lettuce right now...
2001-11-21 02:09:22 AM  
Isnt toruture outlawed? dam peta and there dumass self. there needs to be a peta tag made. i'm in the same city with them so i can crank call them for free tho. a good plus.
2001-11-21 02:22:01 AM  
Do they have a recipe for deep-fried tofu turkey?

I might try that.

~ Pinky ~
2001-11-21 02:41:54 AM  
It would be funny if they actually sent it shaped as a turkey. I wonder what they would use for bones in a drumstick. Celery?
2001-11-21 02:41:56 AM  
I want to invite all the PETA members over for my Thankgiving dinner. I'm having dolphin and baby seals They are so yummy with otter dressing and owl gibblets yum yum
2001-11-21 03:03:01 AM  
Now just one second Dugoil. I find that post offensive. How can you talk about a meal like that? Honestly, I don't know where you get off mentioning Thanksgiving! It's just wrong of you to mention it.

Though those Dolphins and Baby seals sound like goooood eatin'!
2001-11-21 03:07:55 AM  
Yeah, nice of PETA to donate those faux turkeys but my Thanksgiving will still go like this. Wake up at 5:00am.
Go out and KILL my turkey. Gut and pluck said bird. Have a nice breakfast of eggs, sausage, spam, bacon and spam, spam, spam, spam, spam. (Gratuitous Monty Python reference) Watch Detroit get there arse kicked while recently deceased turkey roasts in the oven. Carve and serve bird to family with mashed potatoes, giblet gravy and various veggies. Apple pie for desert. Them I'm going deer hunting. PETA still sucks
2001-11-21 03:39:23 AM  
I'm conflicted. On the one hand I'm a radical closet homosexual conservative who associates PETA with everything vile in America like homosexuality, atheism, lib'ralism, free thinking, and the environment. On the other hand, I also hate poor people and think they should all be put in camps.

Should I hate PETA for being a bunch of commie pinko fags? Or should I hate them because they're supporting some bloodsucking welfare slobs?
2001-11-21 03:43:36 AM  
Eh. I suppose it's good that PETA is pushing their agenda in a less psychotic way.

But just because an asshole does something nice once doesn't mean that they aren't still an asshole.
2001-11-21 04:18:45 AM  
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?

MMMmmm, animals.
2001-11-21 04:20:29 AM  
Someday, PETA will have rail guns that shoot carrots...
Or maybe I'm playing too much Quake.
2001-11-21 05:18:09 AM  
I wonder if vegetarians crap green. Wouldn't that be weird..eating green leafy shiat all the time, going to take a dump..and nothing but green poop comes out? What do you wipe with, a twig? Who are you kidding? See those two pointy teeth to the side of your lips? Those are there to tear meat, not to nosh a granola bar you freakin tree huggers. Quit trying to outsmart evolution, cause it ain't gonna happen you hair-dyeing tongue pierced retard.

Dont worry. You'll eventually grow out of your 'PROTEST EVERYTHING' phase & see the world for what it is...a dog-eat-dog world where saving shiat is the LAST thing on your mind.

2001-11-21 06:00:05 AM  
They are at least donating food. Some of you guys would still hate PETA if they said "Nuke Afghanistan and forced nudity of supermodels!"
2001-11-21 06:07:10 AM  
All your tofu jerky are belong to them.
2001-11-21 06:08:42 AM  

Be careful what you say. I had to read that twice. For a moment i was about to sign up for life membership with PETA. Whoo that was close.
2001-11-21 06:16:32 AM  
Goatman: That would be two more good reasons to hate them, indeed.
HPZ [TotalFark]
2001-11-21 06:16:51 AM  
Let's rephrase this a bit.

PETA donates food you don't like to food shelters.
Instead of donating something tasty, you sit on your ass and complain.

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. Yeah. You're really saving the world now.
2001-11-21 06:24:40 AM  
Dido: Er... only 1, shurely?
2001-11-21 07:21:02 AM  
OK so I served real food at the shelter and I also donated a real turkey and spent most of last sunday helping out. Does that appease your troll-mouth "hey dont biatch if you dont give" whiners?

I guess this gives me thr "RIGHT" to say that PETA can kiss my ass for donating lab food to people who need nutrition more than you fatasses who sit here and say things like "unless you gave something you dont have a right to complain".
2001-11-21 07:23:05 AM  
Hehe - "Troll Mouth". Is that like "Potty mouth" in Calvin & Hobbes?
2001-11-21 07:54:33 AM  
PETA grows a brain. Actually doing something useful for a change.

Yes but when the homeless eat their fake meat will they be screaming about dead animals while they are trying to eat something.

Also the homeless could careless what they eat most of them just sit in their own puddle of piss for most of the year.
2001-11-21 08:04:51 AM  
A Sept 11 reference HAD to sneak in there, didn't it...
2001-11-21 08:14:45 AM  
Sub-title should have said
-And turnout is lowest in history-
TofuTurkey? How horrible is that?
Actually causing me to feel quite ill. I would venture to say that one meal of that crap would pretty much scar you for life.
Wait! That is there plan! Destroy the joy of thanksgiving by causing us all psychological damage, in effect, saving future turkeys from becoming succulent, mouth-watering mounds of moist and tastey flesh for our consumption...
Those devilishly clever bastards!
2001-11-21 09:02:25 AM  
What the hell does everyone have against vegetarians? Vegans I could see hating, but vegetarians? I was vegetarian for six years and I was never in better shape. I started eating meat again and not only did I get a little fat, but I started having serious stomach and digestive problems. I'd go back, but I'm pretty lazy.

Humans were born omnivorous. We have predator-like traits such as the eyes facing forward, but we also have "prey-like" traits, such as the fact that we chew our food and our nails. You will find few experts to argue that point and you'll find even less than will argue the benefits of a vegetarian diet.

I know how funny and hip it is to hate PETA (oh, "people for the eating of tasty animals".. how clever.. for a seven year old), but this is good. Donating food to the homeless, whether it be vegetarian food or not, is admirable.
2001-11-21 09:35:09 AM  
For what it's worth, I don't care if people want to eat nothing but soy-gluten-whathaveyou, but what I do not like is when these activist fags tell me I can't have veal, beef (mmmm...beefy), chicken, baby seal, dolphin, platypus, or any other kind of meat. I think we should start our own activist group telling vegitarians that they can't eat plants and veggies anymore, or breathe oxygen anymore.

I think any animal that's too dumb not to fight back or run away from a butcher is fair game.
2001-11-21 10:04:43 AM  
How can you guys get all upset about this one? There are some homeless people out there who choose not to eat meat. And I am sure that even the ones who do eat meat, would gladly accept a tofurky. God, at least it is something....... I live in Kansas City, I donated with Harvesters and I donated 20 tufurkys to local shelters. Not one of them complained about it.
2001-11-21 10:09:05 AM  
Haven't these people suffered enough already?
2001-11-21 10:11:07 AM  
I don't have anything against them donating to shelters. It's probably a good thing. What I want to know is...

How is killing a turkey unethical? As far as I know, turkeys are still hunted in the forests and not raised like veal. It seems pretty damn ethical to me. Maybe I got the acronym wrong: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Maybe it is just the extremists like Jack Chick. Or perhaps they don't have any more unethical treatment cases left...
2001-11-21 10:11:29 AM  
OK..sorry so grumpy up there...hadnt had my drugs yet.

Still think its a silly argument to say "if you didnt XXX then you cant complain about those who DO XXX.

Its an opinion forum and we CAN say all we like about everything and everyone no matter what our experience is...

New rule new rule!
2001-11-21 10:16:03 AM  
The last thing people should do is feed the homeless. Execute them!
2001-11-21 10:21:58 AM  
Argh-Dammit: nice to see you helped out...
As for being a troll? How is pointing out that 1) most of the people who say how horrible this tofurky stuff is ADMIT they haven't tried it and 1/2 of them haven't eaten tofu before. 2) they actually seem to be angered that someone (even big bad peta)is donating food to shelters considered to be trolling?

Pretty sad state of affairs for Fark when pointing out such bullshiat is considered to be baiting the populous (aka trolling) I really think we should move to a photoshop only setup or just become a portal for Something Awful and leave commenting on things to people with some degree of objectivity... either that or post a 16 and over only section.

*For the record I eat meat... haven't seen a tofurky outside of the website - read the labels and you'll see tofu is good for you and it tastes like chef-boyardee ravioli when you mix it in tomato sauce.
2001-11-21 10:29:30 AM  
"How is killing a turkey unethical? As far as I know, turkeys are still hunted in the forests and not raised like veal. It seems pretty damn ethical to me."

Dahaka: Well, now you've displayed your ignorance. The turkeys you purchase in the supermarket come to you via factory farms.
2001-11-21 10:31:20 AM  
I wanna join and gang-hate the ideas and actions we (me too! me too!) disagree with, like especially food we don't like that offends us due to it's obvious non-alpha, homosexual connotations, and back it up with defensive, conformist "jokes" like 'people for the eating of tasty animals' and funny-funny jibes about eating dolphins and seals and stuff! tee hee hee!

Pass me some of that dumb-ass over there, yeaaa boyy...
2001-11-21 10:35:50 AM  
Actually, homeless people are good eating if you wash them thoroughly first. I prefer a nice slow roast with either a honey glaze or a nice marinara sauce. Mmmm.

(Cannibalism rules!)

2001-11-21 10:36:09 AM  
they must have run out of kids to terrorize
2001-11-21 10:38:31 AM  
I eat meat, but tofu can also be good. You just have to mix it with the right things...otherwise it's pretty tasteless. PETA can be pretty far out there, but anytime food is donated to the homeless it's a good act. Unless of course, the donation is Rocky Mountain Oysters...that's bad.
2001-11-21 10:41:36 AM  
Who cares of these turkeys are produced via factories and "farms"? They still taste good. Keep something in mind, if it weren't for these "unethical" farms, we wouldnt be able to feed the population of the country.
2001-11-21 10:42:45 AM  
"As far as I know, turkeys are still hunted in the forests and not raised like veal."

An estimated 45 million turkeys are to be comsumed this week in the US. I don't think they were shot in the woods. When's the last time you noticed buckshot in your turkey breast? They're raised on farms/factories just like any other food animal.
2001-11-21 10:56:41 AM  
"Who cares of these turkeys are produced via factories and "farms"?"

Aorlando: Obviously, not you. I, however, do.
2001-11-21 11:07:49 AM  
Turkeys are too raised in Farms/Factories!
40 million turkeys will have their beaks and claws cut off with out anesthesia. Factory farmers cram tens of thousands of turkeys into single warehouses, where DISEASE, smothering and heart attacks are common.......

If I DID eat meat, I would MUCH rather go out and hunt my own turkey, than to eat this!!!! YUCK!
2001-11-21 11:17:43 AM  
Soylent Green is The Homeless!!!!
Soylent Green is The Homeless!!!!
Soylent Green is The Homeless!!!!
Soylent Green is The Homeless!!!!
Soylent Green is The Homeless!!!!
2001-11-21 11:17:45 AM  
How many times must I say....

2001-11-21 11:20:40 AM  
Way back there. Killemall: All needy people are not beggars. I know needy people who work menial jobs just to survive and just need some help sometimes. Just like some homeless are there by choice and others by circumstance. Some people just aren't as fortunate as others. Don't generalize.

Kylie: How is my favorite PETA member. My hat is off to your generosity and you are right, it is something the shelters did not have and any donation is a good thing. PETA has earned immunity from further bashing (from me anyway) in thisthread after this post. PETA STILL SUCKS Immunity starts now.
2001-11-21 11:24:09 AM  
Eat Meat!
Eat Meat!
Gimme Pork Chops
Gimme Ribs
Dripping Meat Fat
On my Bibs
Kill that cow
Butcher faster
I'm a hungry
freaking bastard
Gotta have some
Veal and Taters
Save the left-overs
for later
If they swim
or chews on grasses
I am gonna
Cook their asses
Cus I like MEAT
Good To Eat
Can't be beat
I like Meat!
2001-11-21 11:24:34 AM  
Groundhog, I love you too!!
2001-11-21 11:26:44 AM  
24 hours later: "Food shelters return Tofurky to PETA"
2001-11-21 11:31:05 AM  
"what I do not like is when these activist fags tell me I can't have veal, beef (mmmm...beefy), chicken, baby seal, dolphin, platypus, or any other kind of meat. I think we should start our own activist group telling vegitarians that they can't eat plants and veggies anymore, or breathe oxygen anymore."

Hey Aorlando! (mmm... b-b-b-beefy)

Ya see, no one's telling you what you can or can't do. When you get to the point when stories that revolve around charitable acts personally offend you, well, you've got what some call 'issues', my friend. One of which, no doubt, is finally coming to grips with your own sexuality. I strongly suggest that you use this holiday season to thoroughly examine those feelings, making the best of the opportunity that you may have with your friends and family for comfort and support on this transitional journey which you're about to take. (mmm...b-b-b-beefy)
2001-11-21 11:39:24 AM  
Finally, PETA does something that makes some sense.
2001-11-21 11:48:39 AM  
Kylie: Forgot to mention, Have a nice Thanksgiving. Sincerely.
2001-11-21 11:54:51 AM  
Right back atcha............!
HPZ [TotalFark]
2001-11-21 12:09:17 PM  
Argh-Dammit- for the record... I haven't done jack shiat for the homeless. I tip my hat to you.
2001-11-21 12:19:56 PM  
aorlando: actually, raising food animals makes it harder to feed everyone. the land that is used to raise feed for the animals could be used to raise food for humans. try not commenting when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
2001-11-21 12:25:45 PM  
C'mon, Meat, don't try to restrict Aorlando's right to an opinion, no matter how uninformed and ill-considered.
2001-11-21 12:27:03 PM  
Don't you people see?
Soylent Green is The Homeless!
Plus, tofu anything generally tastes like crap!
Meat has no substitute.
Meat is delicious!
2001-11-21 12:28:12 PM  
Kylie - I do...

if one wants to make a statement against the meat companies and still have meat it is completely possible and feasible...

I get my meat at Whole Foods and other whole suppliers. The meat is hormone free, organic fed and humane.

This goes for my turkey which was still alive as of this morning. A nice 20 pound free runnin guy who ate off vegetable plants (damn him for killing those innocent vegetables) and a nice life. I pay 99 cents a pound for the guy, but I am good with that.

For the record, humane and organic meats are a whole new world taste-wise. The difference is amazing.

(ok back to work)
2001-11-21 12:43:17 PM  
CheekyMonkey: Not everyone buys their turkey at a supermarket. And besides, man has been herding critters for forever. The only type of meat I can understand being upset about is veal. Perhaps turkey farms are as bad, but I don't think they could be.
2001-11-21 12:46:38 PM  
You should see a Dentist about those 2 teeth on your lip....I'm pretty sure that ain't normal.
2001-11-21 01:00:48 PM  
Mmm... the hate's so thick one could choke on it. This thread, like the Chick threads, divides the Fark community. The majority do not care where the turkey comes from - it's meat, and meat is good. The others take a high and mighty position and insult/flame/etc the rest in what would appear to be an effort to please PETA.

Kill a turkey, buy one, or get a Tofurky. Any way you go you are killing something. You aren't a plant, you live by killing other plants/critters. The most efficient way to feed you is through a farm. The difference between plants/animals? Plants don't scream as they are plucked and shipped off to be eaten by you.

Flame on, I'm through with this thread. You tree-huggers are making this a hostile environment.
2001-11-21 01:01:33 PM  
Dear God, PETA is doing something rather sane. The terrorists really have won.
2001-11-21 01:08:16 PM  
"but what I do not like is when these activist fags tell me I can't have veal, beef (mmmm...beefy), chicken, baby seal, dolphin, platypus, or any other kind of meat. I think we should start our own activist group telling vegitarians that they can't eat plants and veggies anymore, or breathe oxygen anymore."

Dahaka: I don't think it's just the "tree-huggers" that are hostile. Never mind the fact that using the term "tree-huggers" in your negative connotation is in itself hostile.
2001-11-21 01:17:09 PM  
Wage - I apologized for the was a bad morning (the landlord has disappeared and our furnace went to shiat).
Troll comment fully rescinded and your money cheerfully refunded.

We were in fact, kind of agreeing there. I get fluked when someone says "You can't biatch about homeless shelters until you've been to one" or "you cant biatch about PETA until you've dated one" and on and on. Being part of something doesnt deny the right to an opinion on something. That would negate the whole purpose of fark! lol

So, I am not a vegetarian by any stretch, but I agree that animals need to be treated better in the food farms and that the amounts of hormones in food, specifically estrogen, is dangerously high for human consumption. Note here briefly what estrogen does to men. Notice the increase of man-boobs?? Notice that the girls are hitting puberty earlier and earlier? Too much estrogen in the diets. (This is all very highly written about on the net before someone hits me with the "you dont know what you are talking about" thing. and yes, I know there are arguments to the contrary. There are arguments to contrary everything on the planet.)
Anyways, back to estrogen. Soy is, among the alternative medicine crowd, used as hormone replacement therapy, it is so high in estrogen. Tofu? Why, its MORE soy. MORE estrogen!
This is my biggest reason for wanting the meat industry to get its collective heads removed from its collective arses. To take the time to look at what it is doing to degrade the nutrition levels of the world. Soy is a good product, but not when the diet is already overrun with hormones. If one were to eat nothing but whole grains and fresh organic fruits and veggies, THEN tofu is a good protien source.

Dammit (as my name says), we just did this conversation the other day. I am gonna post this whole thing anyways if for no other reason than to apologise to Wage.

Off to get a McBoobie sandwich! :)
2001-11-21 01:18:26 PM  
This is nice, when you don't have anything to eat, tofu is good. Those PETA people DO care about humans.
2001-11-21 01:46:04 PM  
If God did not want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat? ;-)
2001-11-21 01:53:16 PM  
Dahaka: Yes, I'm aware of alternate meat sources. What little I do eat is free-range organic. As for the "tree-huggers making this a hostile environment" comment, perhaps you should read these threads more closely. Most of the hostility is from meatheads (pun intended) who equate vegetarianism with PETA-like extremism.

Argh_Dammit: Where did you get a free-range organic turkey for only 99 cents a pound? You don't wanna know what I paid.
2001-11-21 02:02:11 PM  
PETA will retain some outlandish stunts such as having supporters in animal costumes and women clad in bikinis made of lettuce passing out vegetarian information to holiday travelers at airports.

Hot chicks clad in just lettuce? Unleash the rabbits!

Seriously though, it's nice to know PETA isn't going to be running around doing childish pranks this time. Well, not as many at least. Sure, Tofu is just about the nastiest stuff on the face of the earth, but I'm sure someone will appreciate it.
2001-11-21 02:25:43 PM  
PETA wants to give out tofurky, what's it to you, punk? Don't like it? Go down to the shelter yourself and give them a turkey.
2001-11-21 02:48:27 PM  

It's RIPE when TOFURKEY makes people fight. HAW!

2001-11-21 02:49:51 PM  
Number of homeless people in Amercia: 1.5 million
Price of tofurky: $26.99
Cost of gas to deliver to food shelter: $2.18
Expression on homeless person's face when they bite into a Tofurkey: priceless.
2001-11-21 03:21:02 PM  
Hmm. There seem to be many more vegetarians and PETA supporters about than usual. Perhaps the forays into veggie territory on that Veggie forum that bans any and all dissenting opinions has led some of them back here. Ah well. Perhaps it will make the PETA arguments somewhat less one sided.
2001-11-21 04:00:38 PM  
Cheeky - Sun Harvest (just bought out by Wild Oats in san antonio)

Beel What was your point? I missed it among the ignorant statement.
2001-11-21 04:22:35 PM  
A bunch of pissed off bums on the street this weekend.
2001-11-21 09:14:58 PM  
Yeah.. but can you DEEP-FRY a tofurkey?!?!?
2001-11-21 10:07:52 PM  
Actually PETA is wrong, but not for the reasons most people think. Killing and eating animals is a lot less immoral than killing and eating plants. Here's why:

Plants are more environmentally responsible, they eat sunlight and minerals from the soil. They don't kill any living thing to survive. They don't make war, they don't cheat on spouses, and if only plants lived on the planet we would never run out of OIL. So kind folks, QUIT EATING PLANTS!

EAT ANIMALS, until we are all gone and the world is restored to the PARADISE IT SHOULD BE!
2001-11-21 10:36:27 PM  
Dammit: apology accepted. I wasn't really upset anyway. A whole lot of agreeing on Fark today... perhaps those terrorists did win?

I hear you on the animal treatment thing. I don't want my food tortured. Kill it if you must but don't make it suffer. If you can feed it well while its alive all the better.

A related question that anyone can speak on...perhaps provide a link. Would the cow exist as it does today if we weren't breeding them for meat and leather? I mean really... thise feral cow sightings have been down in the last 1000 years. I assume that its a descendant of the moose and deer families (also quite tasty and more sporting). Perhaps someone with a greater grasp of evolutionary biology will rise to the occasion.
2001-11-22 12:03:07 AM  
Eat more red meat. Especially the fast food burger type.
Lots of it.
It's good for you, and you know it.
Protien, and lots of other good stuff.
Smoke lots of cigarettes.
Smoke all kinds of tobacco. Or chew it.
Smoke or chew lots of it.
It's just bullshiat that meat and tobacco are bad for you.
Even if it is- what do you wnt to do? Live for ever?
Eat Meat. Lots of it. Smoke and chew. All you want.
Drink like a fish. Drink way more than you know you should. Everyday.
Try to combine all of the above as much as possible.
We're talking Quality of life here. Not quantity.
Who wants to live to 100?
Better to live to 45 and indulge.
Better to burn out than to fade away.
2001-11-22 12:37:43 AM  
so, what is the problem all of you have with PeTA anyway? all they do is protest peacefully. the ALF is the only analagous organization that breaks the law. sure, they tell you what to do, but when have they "made" you do anything? they don't do anything more extreme than any other civil rights group, e.g. the NAACP or the ACLU. and for the record, they do a lot of good, even if you don't consider animal welfare a good thing. you know all those fur coats they get people to donate when they renounce fur? those go straight to homeless shelters too.
2001-11-22 01:42:58 PM  
I'd say the problem that many have with PETA is that the more visible members of the organization are such crazy, self-righteous assholes. Handing out pamphlets is fine. Climbing on top of a fast food joint in a cow suit makes you look like a crazy bastard, no matter how good your intentions are.
2001-11-23 02:37:37 AM  
when where and why do you draw that line?
2001-11-23 03:11:56 PM  
I pretty much draw that line at climbing up on top of a fast food joint in a cow suit. Though there was also the whole handing out gore festooned crowns to little kids stunt. I'd say that's over the line too.
2001-11-24 12:36:33 AM  
fine. gloves come off. if people really understood... i mean really understood the way that production animals are treated, it would at least give them some pause before biting that burger. yet, despite all the non-confrontational animal rights orgainizations out there, nobody's paying attention. people pay attention to peta.
2001-11-24 08:28:06 PM  
We understand. We just don't care. People pay attention to PETA because they're such psychotic assholes. PETA rarely changes anyone's mind about whether or not to eat burgers. But they do quite often give the impression that ALL vegan and vegetarian types are psychotic assholes. That's one reason that their tends to be a lot of disgust for veggy folks from us carnivores. You're(I'm assuming you're a PETA member, or at least a sympathizer) being judged by your worst elements, because they are the most visible.
2001-11-24 11:16:22 PM  
WHAT WORST ELEMENTS? we don't do anything illegal. PeTA branches in other countries don't run in to the same opposition that they do here, for the simple reason that americans are not particularly accomodating or sympathetic people. when we're told that all we have to do to be good americans is donate $10 or $20 to the red cross and take a vacation or buy a new car, we accept that readily because it doesn't require a lifestyle change. but as soon as someone gives you (or tries to give you) a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why it is wrong to consume animals, we refuse on the grounds that it would require a significant lifestyle change that is not in our self interest. if we can't be heard any other way, we'll goddamn well shove pictures of chickens being debeaked and conscious pigs being cut open, because this is horrible and must be stopped. quite simply, if we can get 1 out of 100 people to at least educate themselves, and 1 out of 10 of them to go vegan or vegetarian, we've made a difference. it's a lot harder for the rest of you to think that we're "psychotic assholes" when we're encroaching on your own family and friends.
2001-11-25 02:40:55 AM  
It is my understanding that members of PETA trespass on public property quite often. The whole climbing to the roof of a fast food joint in a cow suit thing. That's a crime, albeit a minor one.

And yes, Americans are so goddamn evil because they don't value animals as much as you do. Somewhat egotistical of you to expect a major lifestyle change by all Americans just because of your beliefs, isn't it? Your arguments are not perfectly reasonable. In fact, many would find your arguments as being overly emotional and illogical. Most Americans view animals as inferior because, well, they are. You won't see many deeply insightful statements coming from a cow.
2001-11-25 02:46:10 AM  
Whoopsy. It is my understanding that members of PETA tresspass on private (not public) propery quite often. Blah. Damn the typos.
2001-11-25 10:26:48 PM  
my beliefs are irrelevant as are your opinions of them. our treatment of animals is analogous to the previous and continuing treatment of women and racial minorites, for the reason that we discriminate against them for the sole reason that they are members of a different species than us. if the capacity for insight or even reason was morally relevant to the question as to whether or not animals have a right to life, then we would be forced to segregate within our own species, that is, it would be ethical to force those with IQs under 100 to be the slaves of those with IQs over 100. don't like that? well, a laboratory rat, or certainly a pig or a cow is much more able to understand that it is an independant being with a past and a future than an infant. the nonhuman animal is more able to comprehend its own emotions and those of others. is it therefore moral to eat or experiment on newborn infants? by what exact principal do you wish to seperate yourself from animals? no matter what it is, it is not morally relevant to your negation of their right to their lives.
2001-11-25 10:30:12 PM  
and by the way, it's not "trespassing" when you file a permit to protest. this is a function of our constitutional right to assembly. the only thing that PeTA protestors can be charged with are "crimes" that are pursued at the discretion of law enforcement personel, e.g. inciting a riot or creating a public disturbance.
2001-11-26 01:41:56 AM  
Oh? You can file a permit to protest on someone else's private property? I was unaware that I can file a permit to hold a protest in some random person's bathroom. Sweet. I'll have to try that sometime.

Anywho, the treatment of animals is not analogous to racial minorities and women, partly in that us evil, evil white men were not eating the coloreds and womenfolk(Well, not very often), and mainly because animals are not humans.

I'd say that generally even a mentally handicapped human is still quite a bit more insightful than even the smartest chicken. And it is my understanding that those few humans whose mental handicaps thrust them to the level of the average food animal are typically kept in institutionalized or family care.

Infants are afforded special status despite their ignorance because it is understood that while food animals are born stupid and will remain stupid for the rest of their lives, human infants will gradually mature and achieve the intellect that is expected of humans.

I separate myself(And humans in general) from animals on the basis of the intellectual and cultural superiority that humans have managed over animals.

However, it is also my opinion that certain animals have the potential for achieving the heights that humans have managed(Gorillas learning sign language comes to mind) and should be afforded special status that while still subhuman, is above that of food animals.
2001-11-26 08:19:23 PM  
I think it's time to end this conversation in that we've gotten to the point at which you are countering facts with your mistaken presuppositions.
2001-11-26 10:13:49 PM  
Yes, yell 'Lies, damned lies!' and flee. Fine. Pheh. And I was so hoping for a good protracted argument. Ah well.
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