The Muthaship: DNRTFA, is the answer "It doesn't"?
mongbiohazard: The Muthaship: DNRTFA, is the answer "It doesn't"?That's not what TFA says, but it's the truth. That "warmth" from vinyl is a lack of fidelity and noise introduced by the lossy medium. Digital music can reproduce more of the sound, more accurately, then lossy vinyl can.It's just math. If you want to pretend like it's not true that's fine, but you may be mistaken for a republican.
Pontious Pilates: I could definitely tell the difference.
Lando Lincoln: Pontious Pilates: I could definitely tell the difference.Yeah, me too. From all the popping and skipping of vinyl.
Pontious Pilates: Lando Lincoln: Pontious Pilates: I could definitely tell the difference.Yeah, me too. From all the popping and skipping of vinyl.Well, yeah, that's the biggest problem with vinyl. It's a fragile medium. But a pristine record played on decent equipment will outshine digital every time. Just not enough for people who don't give a shiat or know how to listen.
kittyhas1000legs: Also: modern vinyl pressed from digital masters will only be as good as those digital masters. There are also physical limitations (besides play time) with vinyl, according to this guy (pops).
Pontious Pilates: ...because it's analog...? Do people not understand that? No, most people don't give a shiat, and I myself am FAR from an audiophile. But I'm a musician, I've fiddled around with both digital and analog recording, and if you gave me a blind hearing test, I could definitely tell the difference.
WereBear666: Everyone seems to forget that the signal to the vinyl is filtered before the impression is made and then re-filtered in the turntable to counteract the original filtering; a sort of primitive compression if you will. This tends to emphasize the high mids a bit, adding to the perceived warmth.
The Angry Hand of God: I enjoy vinyl for one reason. The person playing the music has to be aware of what is playing, how long is left, etc. It requires more attention. There is nothing worse than going to a party where somebody plugs in there 5 billion song iPod and puts it on shuffle...
mcreadyblue: Any good sources for vintage equipment?Anyone else tired of people plugging their iPods into tiny tiny boom boxes?
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: This brings us to now. Much music is now produced in WMA, or other sampling formats. These are samples of samples, that only reproduce the most important sounds. Very clean, but is it what the artist intended?
Meethos: That "warmth" those audiophiles are always going on about? That's farking dust on the vinyl. The absolute opposite of better.
grinding_journalist: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: This brings us to now. Much music is now produced in WMA, or other sampling formats. These are samples of samples, that only reproduce the most important sounds. Very clean, but is it what the artist intended?Extremely interesting, though it makes you seem like a bit of a snob.
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I wrote this for a FARK thread a few years ago:
doremifaq: Back to analogue vs digital: they sound different from each other. You can tell by listening. mp3 compression proves that the buying public just doesn't care.
So.... now I have a googlephonic system with a moon rock needle.And it sounds alright.For my car.
Ant: The only thing I miss about vinyl is large album covers and liner notes.
SpectroBoy: Ant: The only thing I miss about vinyl is large album covers and liner notes.I miss album art and liner notes too.Plus double albums were the BEST for cleaning your stash on.
Glitchwerks: Analog sounds better
NoiseGoth: Sort of amazed at the uninformed opinions stated as facts in this thread. The bottom line is that vinyl has the potential to have better frequency response and better dynamic range than traditional CDs (while CDs are better in the wow and flutter department, a good record player can effectively render this moot). Whether an individual release takes advantage of that potential is, of course, open to interpretation.I say whatever floats your boat. If I want to sit and listen to something I'll go for vinyl if I've got it, CD if not. Mp3s are good for background fill or the car or just when I'm not paying close attention, but that's just me. I don't get down on people listening to mp3s all the time. I do wish more people cared about fidelity (the loudness wars being a direct result of this lack of concern), but I really can't fault them for liking what they like.
Wasilla Hillbilly: SpectroBoy: Ant: The only thing I miss about vinyl is large album covers and liner notes.I miss album art and liner notes too.Plus double albums were the BEST for cleaning your stash on.Kinda like how CD cases are, well not the best (it cracks too easily), but adequate for chopping up your cocaine? Or so I've been told.
Wasilla Hillbilly: It's like people and their tube-amp fascination. If you want to pay 5x what you need to for your hipster cred that's fine, but quit trying to convince me that there are sounds that are somehow incapable of being reproduced digitally.
GibbyTheMole: Gaboo"CDs are capable of producing just as good a sound as vinyl, it's just too bad nobody has mastered any correctly."There are plenty of crappily mastered CDs, but there are a lot of really good ones, too. Go listen to Beck's "Sea Change", Janis Ian's "Breaking Silence", Joe Jackson's "Rain", or Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly". Those are just four of about a bazillion well-mastered CDs.bullsballs"If you are in your car or working and just want background music, then MP3 will do..."All of my mp3s that I record from vinyl or tape, or rip from CDs are 320 kbps LAME CBR. In a level-matched ABX test, they're indistinguishable from the original. If it's a MOFI or some other really good audiophile release, I'll use FLAC just on principle, but otherwise a high bitrate mp3 is just fine.
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