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2012-11-09 11:37:44 AM
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Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.
 
2012-11-09 01:44:27 PM

Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.



Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.
 
2012-11-09 01:45:13 PM
Or microwave or refrigerator.
 
2012-11-09 01:45:16 PM

Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Liar
 
2012-11-09 01:46:11 PM
> massive tax hike
> 1.1% on the "hardest hit"
> who are also some of the wealthiest people in history

Oh, CNN, you liberal media, you.
 
2012-11-09 01:47:08 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.


JESUS Fight!
 
2012-11-09 01:48:22 PM
Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

The wealthiest 1% of Californians -- those with annual incomes of $533,000 or more -- will shoulder nearly 79% of the tax increase, according to the California Budget Project, a research group that endorsed the proposition. They will see their taxes rise by 1.1% of their income, while the bottom four-fifths of the state's residents will see an increase of between 0.1% and 0.2% of their incomes.

nofactzone.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-11-09 01:49:02 PM
So The Kardashians and other Hollywood stars have to pay more taxes so the we don't have to cut back on education for the average Californian? So we invest in our future and chances for middle/lower classes? Why aren't we doing this in the rest of the country?

This benefits the 1% in the long run too. Now, we'll keep a middle class instead of having just rich and poor - and they won't have to build walls around their wealthy communities now to keep the starving masses out.

More like Germany, less like Brazil!
 
2012-11-09 01:49:13 PM
And a mass exodus from California is expected shortly.
What you can't make movies anywhere else?
And porn actors will have to wear condoms.
 
2012-11-09 01:49:50 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.


Hmmm, I agree with Jesus on this one...
 
2012-11-09 01:50:18 PM
By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.
 
2012-11-09 01:51:44 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?


When you stop to consider that, the only reason California is raising the rate is because they have so many social programs handing out money and free services that they are going bankrupt, it really doesn't matter if it was a 50% hike or at 0.1% hike - it is still taking money from hard-working capitalist to fund unnecessary social programs.
 
2012-11-09 01:52:28 PM

cig-mkr: What you can't make movies anywhere else?


Why not?
 
2012-11-09 01:53:56 PM

Lucky LaRue: unnecessary social programs


Ooooh, I wonder if "unnecessary social programs" is going to be this year's hot buzzphrase, like "burdensome environmental regulations" was a few years ago.
 
2012-11-09 01:54:18 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.

Liar


Reading is hard. Here, let me lay out the important part of the article for you. There will be some math involved, but I will provide a key.

"The CBO said extending all of the tax cuts would boost U.S. gross domestic product growth next year by a little less than 1.5 percentage points.

If the tax rates were extended only for individuals earning less than $200,000 and couples earnings less than $250,000, CBO said, growth would rise by 1.25 percent."


KEY: 1.5% > 1.25%

Carry on, derpster.
 
2012-11-09 01:54:28 PM

Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.


How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?
 
2012-11-09 01:55:16 PM

Silly Jesus:
Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy.


Since that lie was called out above can we assume you're OK with the tax hike now?
 
2012-11-09 01:56:28 PM

organizmx: So The Kardashians and other Hollywood stars have to pay more taxes so the we don't have to cut back on education for the average Californian? So we invest in our future and chances for middle/lower classes? Why aren't we doing this in the rest of the country?

This benefits the 1% in the long run too. Now, we'll keep a middle class instead of having just rich and poor - and they won't have to build walls around their wealthy communities now to keep the starving masses out.

More like Germany, less like Brazil!


From those according to their ability, to those according to their need? Amidoinitright?
 
2012-11-09 01:56:58 PM
This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.
 
2012-11-09 01:57:06 PM

Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.


i7.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-09 01:57:45 PM
The Democrats also somehow managed to win supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, so Prop 13 is no longer a block to getting a balanced budget.
 
2012-11-09 01:57:48 PM

Lucky LaRue: How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


Who work hard, are family oriented, carry no debt, and contribute more to the economy than they take.

/next
 
2012-11-09 01:57:48 PM

MSFT: Silly Jesus:
Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy.

Since that lie was called out above can we assume you're OK with the tax hike now?


It's not a lie. See my explanation. It's pretty simple, so maybe even Farkers will understand. I know that the echo chamber is loud, but take a minute to absorb the facts.

Can we assume that you're against the tax hike now?
 
2012-11-09 01:58:07 PM

Lucky LaRue: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

When you stop to consider that, the only reason California is raising the rate is because they have so many social programs handing out money and free services that they are going bankrupt, it really doesn't matter if it was a 50% hike or at 0.1% hike - it is still taking money from hard-working capitalist to fund unnecessary social programs.


www.beirutnightlife.com

What a "hard-working" California capitalist may look like.
 
2012-11-09 01:58:14 PM

Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


Because they're human beings? And I think we found Romney's Fark handle....
 
2012-11-09 01:58:31 PM

AngryDragon: Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

[i7.photobucket.com image 289x240]


So it's cool to take more from a certain group of people as long as it's just a little bit?
 
2012-11-09 01:58:59 PM

Silly Jesus: From those according to their ability, to those according to their need? Amidoinitright?


Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, motherfarker.
 
2012-11-09 01:59:40 PM

AngryDragon: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Because they're human beings? And I think we found Romney's Fark handle....


There are lots of suffering human beings. Let's tax everyone at 75% and help the whole world!
 
2012-11-09 01:59:52 PM

Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.


Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.
 
2012-11-09 02:00:14 PM

Lucky LaRue: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

When you stop to consider that, the only reason California is raising the rate is because they have so many social programs handing out money and free services that they are going bankrupt, it really doesn't matter if it was a 50% hike or at 0.1% hike - it is still taking money from hard-working capitalist to fund unnecessary social programs.


As someone who helps tutor fifty kids in an overcrowded classroom in California, I'd like to say FARK YOU.

California's problem is our farked up initiative system that mandates spending with 50% + 1 of the vote, while raising taxes takes a 2/3 majority. Either the margin for raising taxes needs to go down, or the margin for mandating spending needs to go up.

Cutting funding for our schools has already got me working to help pay for my tuition in addition to trying to help our farked up elementary programs. If Prop 30 hadn't passed, I'm not sure I would have been able to continue attending college.

So once more, FARK YOU.
 
2012-11-09 02:00:30 PM
Every time I need something done around the place that I can't do myself, I pick up the phone and call someone. Most of the time, I get a swarm of Mexicans or Chinese guys who come over, get the job done and leave. I remember when I was a kid, when my parents got a work crew over, it was a bunch of white guys who pissed away half the day running out to get cigarettes, teasing each other and calling the boss because they couldn't make a single decision on their own.

So, I'm totally OK with Mexicans, legal or not, and I am totally fine with their kids going to school.
 
2012-11-09 02:00:56 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: From those according to their ability, to those according to their need? Amidoinitright?

Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, motherfarker.


WTF?
 
2012-11-09 02:01:17 PM

Silly Jesus: AngryDragon: Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

[i7.photobucket.com image 289x240]

So it's cool to take more from a certain group of people as long as it's just a little bit?


Like back in the anti-communist 50s when the top marginal rate was 92%?
 
2012-11-09 02:01:36 PM

Kazrath: /And I don't even live in California.


Having lived here 8 weeks now I've come to the conclusion that the Proposition system in California is so mind numbingly idiotic that I am surprised California hasn't completely imploded and been sold off to Mexico by now.

/I've been told they have legislators here but I haven't actually seen one
//direct democracy simply doesn't work
 
2012-11-09 02:02:09 PM

AngryDragon: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Because they're human beings? And I think we found Romney's Fark handle....


Human sympathy is beside the point, and you can't keep using it as a shield to justify wasteful spending.
 
2012-11-09 02:02:40 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Every time I need something done around the place that I can't do myself, I pick up the phone and call someone. Most of the time, I get a swarm of Mexicans or Chinese guys who come over, get the job done and leave. I remember when I was a kid, when my parents got a work crew over, it was a bunch of white guys who pissed away half the day running out to get cigarettes, teasing each other and calling the boss because they couldn't make a single decision on their own.

So, I'm totally OK with Mexicans, legal or not, and I am totally fine with their kids going to school.


Wow, anecdotal and racist. Nice.
 
2012-11-09 02:03:04 PM
Subby, California's highest tax bracket for individuals was $50,000. Let that sink in. $50,000. At a time when the state's budget is falling apart, we need everybody paying their fair share, including rich people.
 
2012-11-09 02:03:20 PM
Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted.

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break.
 
2012-11-09 02:03:43 PM

mgshamster: Silly Jesus: AngryDragon: Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

[i7.photobucket.com image 289x240]

So it's cool to take more from a certain group of people as long as it's just a little bit?

Like back in the anti-communist 50s when the top marginal rate was 92%?


Your point?
 
2012-11-09 02:04:01 PM
While everyone else is kicking around the economic/financial aspect of this, I direct everyone's attention to a different part of this. The CA constitution has been amended to require tax changes to go to the ballot.

Ahem. This means that CA is now starting to flirt with direct democracy. Those empty red counties in CA should be pushing a load into their pants right about... now.

Governor Moonbeam, please take a bow. This was a masterful move, and I applaud you. If this trend keeps up the CA legislature will be come ceremonial in function only.
 
2012-11-09 02:04:23 PM

Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


You know, I keep hearing about this program from my right-wing friends, but nobody can point me to any official documentation on it. Perhaps you can help.
 
2012-11-09 02:04:56 PM
Does this mean I will be now be able to afford a vacation house in Malibu?
 
2012-11-09 02:06:10 PM
Go fart on a dick, submitter.
 
2012-11-09 02:06:27 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.


I thought for sure you were that guy's alt. Even though I never expressed that opinion, I feel compelled to apologize to you anyway. Sorry.
 
2012-11-09 02:07:49 PM

Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?
 
2012-11-09 02:07:54 PM

Silly Jesus: MSFT: Silly Jesus:
Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy.

Since that lie was called out above can we assume you're OK with the tax hike now?

It's not a lie. See my explanation. It's pretty simple, so maybe even Farkers will understand. I know that the echo chamber is loud, but take a minute to absorb the facts.

Can we assume that you're against the tax hike now?


Real Americans don't believe in math, they go with their gut.
But hey, if you really can read and believe in math, you might want to read this:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-09 02:09:06 PM

Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.

 
2012-11-09 02:14:01 PM

MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?


Be as dismissive about the problem as you like, but it doesn't solve anything. You feel warm and comfortable in your smugness as you hand out money and free services to the rest of the world, but I have no doubt you will be full of concern and angst the next time the government raises defense spending.
 
2012-11-09 02:21:21 PM

Lucky LaRue: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

Be as dismissive about the problem as you like, but it doesn't solve anything. You feel warm and comfortable in your smugness as you hand out money and free services to the rest of the world, but I have no doubt you will be full of concern and angst the next time the government raises defense spending.


That's probably because defense spending is already too high. Even the military says so.
 
2012-11-09 02:23:00 PM

Silly Jesus: AngryDragon: Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

[i7.photobucket.com image 289x240]

So it's cool to take more from a certain group of people as long as it's just a little bit?


So are you basically arguing for a flat-tax because we already 'take more from a certain group of people'... it's called our progressive tax system that has been in place for like 100 years.
 
2012-11-09 02:23:24 PM
I really should stop reading the politics tab.
 
2012-11-09 02:25:38 PM

jigger: cig-mkr: What you can't make movies anywhere else?

Why not?


hollywood doesn't even make the best movies anymore
 
2012-11-09 02:26:01 PM

Lucky LaRue: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

Be as dismissive about the problem as you like, but it doesn't solve anything. You feel warm and comfortable in your smugness as you hand out money and free services to the rest of the world, but I have no doubt you will be full of concern and angst the next time the government raises defense spending.


It directly solves many problems. You are just too racist to get it. And if you would have understood a damn thing, you'd get that now all those people get to pay taxes. But I get it, they're brown and they scare you.

I only get bent about defense spending if it is for something stupid, like a second F-22 engine the military doesn't need or even want. I'd like to see vet benefits go up. I'd like to see military pay go up and at least keep pace with inflation. I'm concerned that we'll disengage too much in winding down Afghanistan. So sorry, but stay on topic or you will look stupid.

And just to head you off, yes, I do pay more in taxes than I have to. I see it as a good investment. So until you do the same, don't talk.
 
2012-11-09 02:27:18 PM

MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?


And if this happened there would be no implications, right? Should we even have an immigration policy? Heck, should we even have borders?
 
2012-11-09 02:31:16 PM

theknuckler_33: Silly Jesus: AngryDragon: Kibbler: By 2014, there will only be a giant smoking hole in the ground where California once was.

ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

[i7.photobucket.com image 289x240]

So it's cool to take more from a certain group of people as long as it's just a little bit?

So are you basically arguing for a flat-tax because we already 'take more from a certain group of people'... it's called our progressive tax system that has been in place for like 100 years.


Know what else was in place for like 100 years?
 
2012-11-09 02:32:04 PM

Silly Jesus: Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.


This turned "nuh-uh" real fast.
 
2012-11-09 02:32:08 PM
To be fair, how about we do more tohelp people here at home before we feed and support the rest of the world?

Hey, Pakistan, since you guys support the Taliban and whatnot, how about we agree to stop bombing your country with drones, and also stop sending billions in foreign aid?
 
2012-11-09 02:32:51 PM

badaboom: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

And if this happened there would be no implications, right? Should we even have an immigration policy? Heck, should we even have borders?


I take it you're a native American Indian... correct?
 
2012-11-09 02:34:02 PM

spelletrader: Silly Jesus: Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.

This turned "nuh-uh" real fast.


Nuh-uh
 
2012-11-09 02:34:54 PM

Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.


You're an idiot. Between 52 and 55 percent of the California state budget is spent on education. Unless you want to fire every CHP officer, stop paving roads, and free every prisoner in the state, if the budget isn't balanced, you have to cut education.

I will also note you couldn't name a single agency you'd like to cut ("government administration" isn't saying anything). You wouldn't happen to be Mitt Romney, would you?
 
2012-11-09 02:35:15 PM

MadHatter500: And just to head you off, yes, I do pay more in taxes than I have to.


You aren't paying more in taxes than you have to. The extra you are putting in is called a Stupid Tax, which is assessed on everyone who stupidly gives the government more money than they are asked for.
 
2012-11-09 02:35:17 PM

MSFT: badaboom: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

And if this happened there would be no implications, right? Should we even have an immigration policy? Heck, should we even have borders?

I take it you're a native American Indian... correct?


So one can't be in favor of, and see the positive impact of, countries establishing borders unless they are native?
 
2012-11-09 02:36:17 PM

MSFT: badaboom: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

And if this happened there would be no implications, right? Should we even have an immigration policy? Heck, should we even have borders?

I take it you're a native American Indian... correct?


I take it your a caveman?
 
2012-11-09 02:36:31 PM

Silly Jesus: spelletrader: Silly Jesus: Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.

This turned "nuh-uh" real fast.

Nuh-uh


And potato chips go flying out of my mouth, thanks.
 
2012-11-09 02:37:42 PM

MSFT: badaboom: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

And if this happened there would be no implications, right? Should we even have an immigration policy? Heck, should we even have borders?

I take it you're a native American Indian... correct?


Are you against borders?
 
2012-11-09 02:43:04 PM

Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


Name: Lucky LaRue
Location: South Carolina

Is that how you guys deal with all your illegal immigrants?
 
2012-11-09 02:45:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


Now there's an idea. I see nothing ill coming from having an entire segment of the population starving, sick and desperate.
 
2012-11-09 02:46:14 PM
So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.
 
2012-11-09 02:46:52 PM
Celebrities clutching buttholes in distress in 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-11-09 02:52:25 PM

pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.


If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.
 
2012-11-09 02:56:39 PM

pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.


It really isn't about the money. It's about spending it to fund inefficient systems and systems that provide zero benefit to the welfare of legal citizens. Fix your broken education system, and then ask me for money to help you make it better.
 
2012-11-09 02:59:39 PM

mgshamster: Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.


This is in general. They pull this crap in Oregon and Washington nearly every election cycle also. The first thing targeted is always: "We are going to have to cut funding to schools if you don't give us more money". My brief glance over the article lead me to believe California is just doing the same BS.
 
2012-11-09 02:59:39 PM

badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.


No, they are not. They are hoarding it. Link
 
2012-11-09 03:00:25 PM

badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.


Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.
 
2012-11-09 03:00:34 PM

Silly Jesus: Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.


No. It doesn't. There is no correlation between taxation for the upper brackets of earners and overall economic growth.
No. It's rather difficult for them to do that. Wealthy individual earners are not synonymous with 'Corporations and Businesses'. The latter actually 'can' do that when they raise the prices for the products that I inevitably purchase. What's a guy pulling down a seven plus figures a year going to do? NOT go to Aruba twice this coming year?
The GOP Presidential Campaign called for a tax break, did it not? The tax break that's about to expire is from the GOP, is it not? If I'm using your logic, taking back a tax break isn't really 'raising' taxes at all, it's just bringing everything back into it's rightful Pre-Dubya place.
 
2012-11-09 03:03:00 PM

xalres: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Now there's an idea. I see nothing ill coming from having an entire segment of the population starving, sick and desperate.


dicasdeciencias.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-09 03:03:26 PM

Lucky LaRue: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

It really isn't about the money. It's about spending it to fund inefficient systems and systems that provide zero benefit to the welfare of legal citizens. Fix your broken education system, and then ask me for money to help you make it better.


Are you mad? You sound mad. Don't be mad. Obama will make it all better now. Shhhhhh!
 
2012-11-09 03:03:35 PM

Kazrath: mgshamster: Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.

This is in general. They pull this crap in Oregon and Washington nearly every election cycle also. The first thing targeted is always: "We are going to have to cut funding to schools if you don't give us more money". My brief glance over the article lead me to believe California is just doing the same BS.


Glance harder. Education has been getting cut for the past two years. So have the police, firefighters, public hospitals, mental health, prisons, forensic departments, parks, protected lands, and more. The only thing I've seen an increase in is roads, and that's because we voted to stop allowing the general funds to dip into the highway funds.
 
2012-11-09 03:04:43 PM

badaboom:

I take it your a caveman?


It's "you're".
 
2012-11-09 03:06:44 PM

Lucky LaRue: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

It really isn't about the money. It's about spending it to fund inefficient systems and systems that provide zero benefit to the welfare of legal citizens. Fix your broken education system, and then ask me for money to help you make it better.


Well, luckily, the governor of California isn't asking for money from South Carolina residents.
 
2012-11-09 03:07:46 PM

Cinaed: Silly Jesus: Cinaed: Taxing the rich doesn't impede economic growth. Yes it does.

Better to tax the fark out of the rich, and use that money to provide as much education as is warranted. Do you not think that the evil rich pass along the cost of their increased taxes?

Education is the driver here, not giving Mitt & Co. another tax break. Not raising taxes != tax break.

No. It doesn't. There is no correlation between taxation for the upper brackets of earners and overall economic growth. Conveniently, a non-partison CBO study came out today on this exact topic. Guess what it said. Go on, guess.
No. It's rather difficult for them to do that. Wealthy individual earners are not synonymous with 'Corporations and Businesses'. The latter actually 'can' do that when they raise the prices for the products that I inevitably purchase. What's a guy pulling down a seven plus figures a year going to do? NOT go to Aruba twice this coming year? So take more from him because, hey, it's just a rich guy, screw him?
The GOP Presidential Campaign called for a tax break, did it not? The tax break that's about to expire is from the GOP, is it not? If I'm using your logic, taking back a tax break isn't really 'raising' taxes at all, it's just bringing everything back into it's rightful Pre-Dubya place. Touche.

 
2012-11-09 03:08:17 PM

AngryDragon: Lucky LaRue: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

It really isn't about the money. It's about spending it to fund inefficient systems and systems that provide zero benefit to the welfare of legal citizens. Fix your broken education system, and then ask me for money to help you make it better.

Are you mad? You sound mad. Don't be mad. Obama will make it all better now. Shhhhhh!


Save your liberal sneers for someone who cares. I don't live in California, and could care less if their government spends it's citizen's money on waste because they are too lazy and too stupid to fix the underlying problems.

As for Obama making it all better - you need to make a reality check. When the deal between the White House and Congress is finally hammered out, liberals are going to be really butt-hurt at how much spending is cut and how little new revenue is raised.
 
2012-11-09 03:10:08 PM

Silly Jesus: but I will provide a key


You better try providing some facts because so far you're still just a dirty stinkin' liar.

Let me provide YOU with a key. You don't get to just latch onto a CBO report that clearly says one thing and claim it something else by latching onto miniscule details and completely ignoring every other bit of it, including its own conclusions. The American people on Tuesday night told you to take that sort of dishonest bullshiat rhetoric and shove it right up your puckered asshole until the first pointy end come out your left eyeball.

I reiterate: LIAR. You LOSE. You get NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR.
 
2012-11-09 03:10:37 PM

Lucky LaRue: and could care less


It's "couldn't care less".
Seriously, maybe you guys SHOULD start caring about education.
 
2012-11-09 03:10:52 PM

Lucky LaRue: I don't live in California, and could care less if their government spends it's citizen's money on waste because they are too lazy and too stupid to fix the underlying problems.


What are our underlying problems, and how do we fix them? Do tell; I live in California, and I would love to know what you think.
 
2012-11-09 03:14:35 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Silly Jesus: but I will provide a key

You better try providing some facts because so far you're still just a dirty stinkin' liar.

Let me provide YOU with a key. You don't get to just latch onto a CBO report that clearly says one thing and claim it something else by latching onto miniscule details and completely ignoring every other bit of it, including its own conclusions. The American people on Tuesday night told you to take that sort of dishonest bullshiat rhetoric and shove it right up your puckered asshole until the first pointy end come out your left eyeball.

I reiterate: LIAR. You LOSE. You get NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR.


Reading is hard. Calm down. It will all be OK.
 
2012-11-09 03:14:54 PM

MSFT: Lucky LaRue: and could care less

It's "couldn't care less".
Seriously, maybe you guys SHOULD start caring about education.


I couldn't care less about your grammatical hang-ups.

Is that better?
 
2012-11-09 03:16:16 PM

Lucky LaRue: MSFT: Lucky LaRue: and could care less

It's "couldn't care less".
Seriously, maybe you guys SHOULD start caring about education.

I couldn't care less about your grammatical hang-ups.

Is that better?


Link
The ten most educated states voted for Obama while 9 of the 10 worst educated states voted for Romney.
Thoughts?
 
2012-11-09 03:16:23 PM

Kazrath: mgshamster: Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.

This is in general. They pull this crap in Oregon and Washington nearly every election cycle also. The first thing targeted is always: "We are going to have to cut funding to schools if you don't give us more money". My brief glance over the article lead me to believe California is just doing the same BS.


I didn't mean to be harsh on you before, if I sounded like I was. Sorry. It's just frustrating to have everyone from outside California keep telling us that we're not doing enough budget cuts. Everything is getting cut here, and we're all feeling the pain.

/Hopefully, we can learn from this.
 
2012-11-09 03:17:16 PM
So how do you raise taxes on rich people in California without them becoming rich people in Nevada or rich people in Florida? Or rich people in Singapore?

Eduardo Saverin did not move to Singapore because he likes the food. Tiger Woods did not move to Florida because they have nice emergency rooms.
 
2012-11-09 03:18:34 PM

Silly Jesus: Reading is hard. Calm down. It will all be OK.


No, I understood clearly what the CBO said: taxing the rich won't have a major impact.

You understood that too, it's just that unlike me, you decided to start lying about it because you're a terrible person on the inside.
 
2012-11-09 03:19:37 PM

Silly Jesus: theknuckler_33:
So are you basically arguing for a flat-tax because we already 'take more from a certain group of people'... it's called our progressive tax system that has been in place for like 100 years.

Know what else was in place for like 100 years?


Really? Deflection?

Are you a flat tax advocate? Yes or no?
 
2012-11-09 03:21:21 PM

Lucky LaRue: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

When you stop to consider that, the only reason California is raising the rate is because they have so many social programs handing out money and free services that they are going bankrupt, it really doesn't matter if it was a 50% hike or at 0.1% hike - it is still taking money from hard-working capitalist to fund unnecessary social programs.


California taxation is death by a thousand cuts. "We're only asking for a little more!" is the cry. Year after year after year. I'm old enough to remember a 4% sales tax rate. With Prop 30, it'll be over 10% in some locales, and that STILL won't be enough. The retirement system says it's going to need $3 to $10 billion more each year to fund the retirement benefits already promised, and that assumes investment returns of 7.5%. guess what return they made last year and what they'll make in coming years when 30% of their poorfolio is in long-term bo The splat when this state hits the fiscal wall is going to be loud.
 
2012-11-09 03:21:37 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.


Yes, the poor that starve to death are acceptable collateral damage for sticking it to the rich.

Envy, how does it wurk? LOL!

Actually, this is great news. Seriously. Exactly according to the model.
 
2012-11-09 03:22:08 PM

MSFT: The ten most educated states voted for Obama while 9 of the 10 worst educated states voted for Romney.
Thoughts?


I think your smarmy attitude is a perfect example of why this phenomena occurs. Uneducated people don't like to be reminded they are dumb, and they really resent people like you - who are better off than they are - speaking to them in condescending tones about why they, their political opinions, and their values are inferior. That they stand in opposition to everything you represent shouldn't surprise you, it should make you ashamed that the kind of "help" you offer elicits that kind of reaction.
 
2012-11-09 03:22:30 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Silly Jesus: Reading is hard. Calm down. It will all be OK.

No, I understood clearly what the CBO said: taxing the rich won't have a major impact.

You understood that too, it's just that unlike me, you decided to start lying about it because you're a terrible person on the inside.


Correct, the difference between economic growth of 1.50% and 1.25% is not huge, but the facts are that an increase in taxes on the rich results in the growth rate of 1.25% while not increasing taxes on the rich results in the LARGER growth rate of 1.50%. This goes against everything that the liberals have been saying about the importance of increasing taxes on the rich for the good of the economy. It doesn't matter how small it is when the argument from the libs has been that it's a good thing to raise the taxes. This non-partisan study showed that that is incorrect.
 
2012-11-09 03:22:33 PM
Letting people vote on services AND taxes doesn't make much sense. Everyone wants something for nothing.
 
2012-11-09 03:24:51 PM

theknuckler_33: Silly Jesus: theknuckler_33:
So are you basically arguing for a flat-tax because we already 'take more from a certain group of people'... it's called our progressive tax system that has been in place for like 100 years.

Know what else was in place for like 100 years?

Really? Deflection?

Are you a flat tax advocate? Yes or no?


Someone in another thread explained things in a way that clicked. I largely understand now the reasons for a progressive tax structure. I think that a flat tax would be more "fair." But a progressive tax seems to be the best way to go practically.
 
2012-11-09 03:27:08 PM

CPennypacker: badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.

Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.


Which then makes stocks go up which helps the TIAA/CREF and pension funds.......
 
2012-11-09 03:29:09 PM

Silly Jesus: theknuckler_33: Silly Jesus: theknuckler_33:
So are you basically arguing for a flat-tax because we already 'take more from a certain group of people'... it's called our progressive tax system that has been in place for like 100 years.

Know what else was in place for like 100 years?

Really? Deflection?

Are you a flat tax advocate? Yes or no?

Someone in another thread explained things in a way that clicked. I largely understand now the reasons for a progressive tax structure. I think that a flat tax would be more "fair." But a progressive tax seems to be the best way to go practically.


Then please display some intellectual honesty and stop using childish phrases like 'take more from a certain group of people'. We already do that, so doing is a little bit more, or the same as it was in the 90s doesn't turn us into the friggin' soviet union.
 
2012-11-09 03:36:55 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

/"Is this a sign?"
 
2012-11-09 03:37:03 PM

badaboom: CPennypacker: badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.

Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.

Which then makes stocks go up which helps the TIAA/CREF and pension funds.......


Yeah that $5,000 is a real market mover.
 
2012-11-09 03:41:38 PM

Lucky LaRue: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

When you stop to consider that, the only reason California is raising the rate is because they have so many social programs handing out money and free services that they are going bankrupt, it really doesn't matter if it was a 50% hike or at 0.1% hike - it is still taking money from hard-working capitalist to fund unnecessary social programs.


Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?


I was wondering when the mentally retarded were going to weigh in on this issue.

/my apologies to anyone with mental deficiency for debasing you with this comparison
 
2012-11-09 03:42:27 PM

Lucky LaRue: It's about spending it to fund inefficient systems...


Which inefficient systems are you referring to? Are these 'inefficient' offices state and local offices?
 
2012-11-09 03:42:45 PM

CPennypacker: badaboom: CPennypacker: badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.

Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.

Which then makes stocks go up which helps the TIAA/CREF and pension funds.......

Yeah that $5,000 is a real market mover.


X 100,000 people?
 
2012-11-09 03:45:58 PM

un4gvn666: I was wondering when the mentally retarded were going to weigh in on this issue.

/my apologies to anyone with mental deficiency for debasing you with this comparison


I think that someone who seems willing to hand over their hard-earned money to their government without the expectation of accountability or fiscal responsibility should be more introspective about how they use accusations of mental deficiency.
 
2012-11-09 03:46:41 PM
Silly Jesus: Conveniently, a non-partison CBO study came out today on this exact topic. Guess what it said. Go on, guess.
That raising taxes on the wealthy won't affect growth.
So take more from him because, hey, it's just a rich guy, screw him?

No. Because he actually 'can' be taxed more. "You can't squeeze blood from a rock." The bottom three quarters of the country has little, if anything, to give. That's the concept behind a progressive tax system. The more you make, the greater percentage you pay. It worked during the boom years of the 50's, and 60's, and no reason it won't work again.
Touche.
Personally, I'd take it further. But baby steps are in order here.
 
2012-11-09 03:47:57 PM

Lucky LaRue: MadHatter500: Lucky LaRue: Kibbler: ONE POINT ONE PERCENT. MY GOD.

How about before you take 1.1% of anyone's income, you stop spending public money to feed, educate, and provide medical insurance to illegal immigrants?

Ok. Hey all you illegals, please line up over here and get your naturalization. Simple process. Raise your right hand... say I agree to be a US citizen. Now please fill out your forms over on the table over there. Thank you.

Now no illegal immigrants are getting benefits. Happy?

Be as dismissive about the problem as you like, but it doesn't solve anything. You feel warm and comfortable in your smugness as you hand out money and free services to the rest of the world, but I have no doubt you will be full of concern and angst the next time the government raises defense spending.


What money and free services are we handing out?
 
2012-11-09 03:49:03 PM

Lucky LaRue: MSFT: The ten most educated states voted for Obama while 9 of the 10 worst educated states voted for Romney.
Thoughts?

I think your smarmy attitude is a perfect example of why this phenomena occurs. Uneducated people don't like to be reminded they are dumb, and they really resent people like you - who are better off than they are - speaking to them in condescending tones about why they, their political opinions, and their values are inferior. That they stand in opposition to everything you represent shouldn't surprise you, it should make you ashamed that the kind of "help" you offer elicits that kind of reaction.


Maybe you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps and read a book. They even have socialist book stores where you can check out books for free.
 
2012-11-09 03:49:22 PM

badaboom: CPennypacker: badaboom: CPennypacker: badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.

Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.

Which then makes stocks go up which helps the TIAA/CREF and pension funds.......

Yeah that $5,000 is a real market mover.

X 100,000 people?


If you think a $500,000,000 increase in investment capital over the course of a year across the entire market is going to have enough of an impact to justify incurring debt to pay for it then you should probably keep quiet in threads where adults are talking about the economy.
 
2012-11-09 04:03:52 PM

bookman: Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.

Yes, the poor that starve to death are acceptable collateral damage for sticking it to the rich.

Envy, how does it wurk? LOL!

Actually, this is great news. Seriously. Exactly according to the model.


What's funny is that the study Silly Jesus was referring to shows nothing of the sort.
 
2012-11-09 04:04:19 PM

Lucky LaRue: un4gvn666: I was wondering when the mentally retarded were going to weigh in on this issue.

/my apologies to anyone with mental deficiency for debasing you with this comparison

I think that someone who seems willing to hand over their hard-earned money to their government without the expectation of accountability or fiscal responsibility should be more introspective about how they use accusations of mental deficiency.


So what is your opinion of ridiculous amount of military spending we do? The DoD is neither accountable nor fiscally responsibie. It is also unlikely that their results are even quantifiable.
 
2012-11-09 04:04:43 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Oh no! A MASSIVE TAX HIKE!!!

Oh my god, they finally went and did it. What did they do, raise the top bracket to 50% or something?

The wealthiest 1% of Californians -- those with annual incomes of $533,000 or more -- will shoulder nearly 79% of the tax increase, according to the California Budget Project, a research group that endorsed the proposition. They will see their taxes rise by 1.1% of their income, while the bottom four-fifths of the state's residents will see an increase of between 0.1% and 0.2% of their incomes.

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I have no problem whatever with that. And to those who complain about a slanted tax increase being "unfair," I got news for you. Taxes aren't about being fair, they're about raising money. And obscenely wealthy people are where the money is.

Hey, a couple hundred years ago, in Britain, they taxed the number of windows in your house -- so some people boarded them over and sat in the dark. Then they taxed the number of fireplaces -- so some people bricked them up and froze while they sat in the dark. There are always going to be people who don't think they should have to contribute to running the country.

Perhaps we should institute a tax on the number of football games and NASCAR races people watch on television. Or a special federal tax on fast food. Maybe a tax on every pound you weigh over the national average for your height. Isn't that fair?
 
2012-11-09 04:06:25 PM

HeartBurnKid: bookman: Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [stratoserve.typepad.com image 225x292]

Conveniently, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office released a study today showing that raising taxes on the evil rich slows the growth of the economy. Good job California.


Yeah, good on them. Since the way it works now is that an expanding economy benefits mostly the rich.

Yes, the poor that starve to death are acceptable collateral damage for sticking it to the rich.

Envy, how does it wurk? LOL!

Actually, this is great news. Seriously. Exactly according to the model.

What's funny is that the study Silly Jesus was referring to shows nothing of the sort.


As I pointed out in that thread, the study actually does say that the economy will grow more slowly, although slightly, if taxes are increased on the rich. I think that's where the confusion comes from.
 
2012-11-09 04:20:50 PM
"It's only 1%, what's the big deal?"

Because they've been "only 1%" so much that we now have the 4th highest taxes in the country (behind NY, NJ, and Connecticut). It's not a farking revenue problem. It's a spending problem. The people of this state don't understand the concept of living within your means.
 
2012-11-09 04:24:04 PM

Lucky LaRue: I think that someone who seems willing to hand over their hard-earned money to their government without the expectation of accountability or fiscal responsibility


Oh, you're just FULL of bullshiat assumptions today, aren't you?
 
2012-11-09 04:32:22 PM

Lucky LaRue: un4gvn666: I was wondering when the mentally retarded were going to weigh in on this issue.

/my apologies to anyone with mental deficiency for debasing you with this comparison

I think that someone who seems willing to hand over their hard-earned money to their government without the expectation of accountability or fiscal responsibility should be more introspective about how they use accusations of mental deficiency.


Gosh, what a smarmy attitude. Do you really expect to win people over like that?
lol
 
2012-11-09 05:02:32 PM

CPennypacker: badaboom: pacified: So a guy making $500,000 pays $5,000 more a year. BOO FARKING HOO.

Over 26 pay checks, that amounts to $192 a pay period.

So from his $19,200 pay check, $200 more is taken.

They won't even notice.

All Republicans are a sad joke.

If only it were that simple. That guy does not take that $5000 and stuff it in his mattress. He renovates his bathroom ($$ for the plumber), he goes on vacation($$ for the baggage handlers, $$ for the hotel staff), he buys a new TV ($$ for the guy who cleans the store), or he even gives it to charity.

Actually he probably just buys stocks with it.


As someone who will get hit with this tax, you are correct. This will amount to less money going to the retirement savings in my brokerage account. It kinda sucks, but the happy go lucky part of me is just thankful I make the money I make so it's hard for me to be bitter. One of my business partners however is entirely greed motivated so he's all burnt up about it (and he keeps saying it's going up to a rate of 14% for everything over 250k, so he's angry and misinformed).

I am going to do that minor bathroom upgrade anyway (the wife really wants one of those fancy Kohler robo toilets) we are really just waiting for Christmas time when we're assuming the price of the unit to come down a lot. We're still going on vacation, we'll be spreading the wealth to Central America over the holidays and next year we're going to help out the depressed Euro economies for a couple of weeks regardless of this tax increase passing. I'm going to buy a new car soon regardless of these taxes (to replace my current 21 year old 180k+ mile car, hey, you don't get rich by spending money no matter what the taxes are). The only thing affected is going to be my retirement savings since a retirement is the only thing I really want that I can't afford yet (well, some days I want a boat but I'd rather save for retirement so one day perhaps I can have the boat and the time to enjoy it).

On another tangent, It's not quite $5000 for a guy making $500,000. Marginal rates and all that. For a single person it's an extra one percent for income between 250,000 and 300,000, an extra two percent for income between 300k and 500k. So the guy making 500k gets hit with; the first 50k at 1%, which is $500, plus the next 200k at 2% which is $4000, carry the one, and so if my jet lagged lack of sleep addled brain isn't failing me it would be another $4500.

However if it were a married couple making $500,000 the total additional taxes would be $0. For singles people it's an extra one percent on each bracket with the brackets at 250k, 300k, 500k for couples it's an extra one percent each at 500k, 600k, 1m. See Fig 2 on page 13 for the rate increase details.
 
2012-11-09 05:17:55 PM
Why should I care about the problems of the rich? They don't care about my problems, so why should I care about theirs? A guy making 1/2 a million a year having to pay $200 more per paycheck is a perfect opportunity to play the world's smallest violin.
 
2012-11-09 05:40:28 PM

OgreMagi: "It's only 1%, what's the big deal?"

Because they've been "only 1%" so much that we now have the 4th highest taxes in the country (behind NY, NJ, and Connecticut). It's not a farking revenue problem. It's a spending problem. The people of this state don't understand the concept of living within your means.


In other news, half of the states in the US have a higher tax rate than the average.
 
2012-11-09 06:25:04 PM

Attention, wingnuts! What raving commie pinko liberal wrote this?

The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.


If you said "Karl Marx", then click here to claim your prize, and then here for the quote in context.
 
2012-11-09 06:52:52 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: In other news, half of the states in the US have a higher tax rate than the averagemedian.


The average(mean) and median are only the same for distributions that are symmetric about the median.
 
2012-11-09 07:27:10 PM
San Francisco is preparing to become the first U.S. city to provide and cover the cost of sex reassignment surgeries for uninsured transgender residents.- MSN NEWS

And...done.
 
2012-11-09 09:09:53 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: OgreMagi: "It's only 1%, what's the big deal?"

Because they've been "only 1%" so much that we now have the 4th highest taxes in the country (behind NY, NJ, and Connecticut). It's not a farking revenue problem. It's a spending problem. The people of this state don't understand the concept of living within your means.

In other news, half of the states in the US have a higher tax rate than the average.


So? Did you fail to notice the "4th highest" part? Our taxes are way out of line with the "average".
 
2012-11-09 09:11:45 PM

clowncar on fire: San Francisco is preparing to become the first U.S. city to provide and cover the cost of sex reassignment surgeries for uninsured transgender residents.- MSN NEWS

And...done.


And this is why California is broke. Yes, it's a city thing, but they'll beg the money out of the state because San Francisco is also broke. The state will give them the money to avoid being called poopie-head and other mean names, then push for yet another tax increase.
 
2012-11-09 09:22:50 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: YoungSwedishBlonde: In other news, half of the states in the US have a higher tax rate than the averagemedian.

The average(mean) and median are only the same for distributions that are symmetric about the median.


Thank you, I left for work before noticing that.

OgreMagi: So? Did you fail to notice the "4th highest" part? Our taxes are way out of line with the "average".


And in any data set, you're going to have a highest and lowest. Despite this "massive" tax hike, you're still not the "worst" in the nation taking you at your word about it being 4th. And it also ignores measuring those tax rates versus the benefits it provides to the citizenry. There's a reason why the states you mentioned, California, NY, NJ and Connecticut are among some of the most populated states in the nation and have the highest concentrations of business clout while presumably lower/"better" taxed states are not as populated and have less in the way of jobs/opportunities. That is because the citizenry see value in what those taxes provide and act accordingly.
 
2012-11-09 10:17:05 PM

OgreMagi: And this is why California is broke. Yes, it's a city thing, but they'll beg the money out of the state because San Francisco is also broke. The state will give them the money to avoid being called poopie-head and other mean names, then push for yet another tax increase.


It's broke because of a symbolic gesture because the city doesn't have the expertise, capacity or protocols to do it anyway? Also SF isn't broke; it's actually rebounding and expects to close it's projected deficit.
 
Ehh
2012-11-10 12:15:50 AM
Lotta rich people from around the world want to buy in California right now. They're buying land and green cards. Howl away, zillionaires who live on the California coastline. If you sell and leave, others will take your place.

The state is beyond broke. Local governments are beyond broke. Yet there's fantastic private wealth in California. Hmmmm.
 
2012-11-10 01:57:08 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Monkeyhouse Zendo: YoungSwedishBlonde: In other news, half of the states in the US have a higher tax rate than the averagemedian.

The average(mean) and median are only the same for distributions that are symmetric about the median.

Thank you, I left for work before noticing that.

OgreMagi: So? Did you fail to notice the "4th highest" part? Our taxes are way out of line with the "average".

And in any data set, you're going to have a highest and lowest. Despite this "massive" tax hike, you're still not the "worst" in the nation taking you at your word about it being 4th. And it also ignores measuring those tax rates versus the benefits it provides to the citizenry. There's a reason why the states you mentioned, California, NY, NJ and Connecticut are among some of the most populated states in the nation and have the highest concentrations of business clout while presumably lower/"better" taxed states are not as populated and have less in the way of jobs/opportunities. That is because the citizenry see value in what those taxes provide and act accordingly.


We're (California) rated #4 based on 2010 data, the most recent available. It's easy enough to look up with google. But it's not just taxes. They've upped fees for just about everything, e.g. motor vehicle registration, etc. And while they are upping the fees, they are reducing service (the department of motor vehicles has been running under reduced hours for the last few years). I understand the need for cutting service and perhaps raising fees, but when you are suffering from a fiscal crises as we have for years, you have to stop spending like drunken sailors (with an apology to drunk sailors who only spend their own money) and reassess your priorities.

California is also considered one of the most business unfriendly climates in the country (I'm sure NY beats us out on that as well). The higher business taxes and fees may seem like a good idea in the short term, but when they get too high any business that isn't geographically bound will seriously consider moving elsewhere -- which has been happening. The state just passed Proposition 39, which taxes out of state businesses based on their in state sales. I'm not sure that is even legal (interstate commerce, etc) and I expect that to be challenged in the courts. It was pushed as a way to punish businesses for moving out of state. The smart thing would have been to examine WHY businesses are moving out of state in such numbers that it is seriously impacting tax revenues.
 
2012-11-10 02:27:56 AM

mgshamster: Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.


You =

farm9.staticflickr.com


Seriously. How farkING RETARDED ARE YOU????

The tax hike (which hits everyone), goes into the general fund, NOT ANY EDUCATIONAL FUND YOU GODDAMN RETARD.

Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a Saltine cracker, you're one dumb ass fricking retarded retard.

27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-10 03:03:02 AM

Anonymocoso: So how do you raise taxes on rich people in California without them becoming rich people in Nevada or rich people in Florida? Or rich people in Singapore?


Ties to the region and the fact that California is a nice place to live.
 
2012-11-10 03:47:47 AM

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: The tax hike (which hits everyone), goes into the general fund, NOT ANY EDUCATIONAL FUND


That seems to be the point everyone missed in that stupid ballot initiative. "Please think of the children! *snicker*" People fell for it.
 
2012-11-10 01:03:57 PM

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: mgshamster: Kazrath: This pisses me off. And I don't mean the tax hike.

"Proposition 30, which Governor Jerry Brown has lobbied heavily for, captured 54% of the vote. Its approval prevents massive budget cuts to the state's public schools and universities. "

This politicking of holding the education of our children hostage pisses me off. Why not perform major cuts in some other Bullshiat sector like I dunno government administration. Or some other nearly purposeless governmental organization. No, they go for something we actually need in hopes to lobby their support of the tax hike. Everyone of these MF'ers need to be strung up on the nearest tree.

/And I don't even live in California.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to what is going on in California. We've been experiencing spending cuts in all sectors. This tax hike is to relieve the spending cuts in education.

You =

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 600x615]

Seriously. How farkING RETARDED ARE YOU????

The tax hike (which hits everyone), goes into the general fund, NOT ANY EDUCATIONAL FUND YOU GODDAMN RETARD.

Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a Saltine cracker, you're one dumb ass fricking retarded retard.

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Ha! Those images are hilarious.

Anyways, I know you're just being a retarded troll, so I'll respond just in case anyone else is still reading this.

First off, I was originally responding to the idea that Prop 30 was using a scare tactic, and that we have not actually been cutting funds from education or any other services. That is flat out wrong. We've been cutting funds for services across the state. While I would love to see administration costs cut, it doesn't change the fact that services across the state have reduced funding.

Secondly, you are absolutely correct that the revenue goes into the General Fund. In fact, the General Fund is exactly what pays for all public education in California, from local schools to universities. What you may not be aware of is that Prop 30 specifically creates a new sub-account in the General Fund, called the Education Protection Account, for which the funds from the new taxes goes into, according to Section 4(e)(1). Written into the bill is a specific clause that states the funds can only be used for education, and not administrative costs, and any misuse can result in criminal prosecution (and the account is subjected to a yearly audit). It also provides funds for police training, jails, mental health, and preventing child abuse.
 
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