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2012-11-09 04:30:26 PM
This story always struck me as being much more about the douche-tacular nature of the dude-bro than about the octopus.
I can absolutely see people, who otherwise know better, indulging some supposition and arm-waving in order to create and send a message to this cretin and those like him.
 
2012-11-09 04:49:29 PM

Mrs. Beasley: Yes, hunting GPOs is legal in WA. With a license, you can take one per day in season. They are not endangered.

The outrage included: (1) said octopus was viewed by many divers recently as it was close-in to shore at Alki so you didn't have to be a strong diver (below 40 feet) to see it. Kind of a nice thing in our 45-degree water and extreme currents. (2) While said octopus was not a "female sitting on eggs," it was a beautiful specimen, probably not a youngster. (3) Said diver, when approached by other divers on shore, told them his "artist friend" asked him for a GPO for his Halloween installment, not for said diver's diner. (4) Said diver did, in fact, punch and continue to punch the GPO until it died because it was fighting him.

Even IF said diver was taking a GPO for dinner, its size would render it nearly inedible; even with a light poach and grilling, it would be tough as leather.

But, finally, you can't fix douchiness. He was a tool, and the diving community was and is outraged. No one wants to change the law about taking GPOs in season; but since Alki is a walk-in dive site, it is one of the few places in Puget Sound where you can see GPOs up close and personal without being a serious diver. Close Alki to GPO hunting. 

/Seattle resident


To be fair, instead of laying low and letting the world forget about him, he put himself out there again in order to make sure nobody can make the same boneheaded mistake he did. I mean that's gotta be deserving of some respect.
 
2012-11-09 04:53:25 PM

halB: To be fair, instead of laying low and letting the world forget about him, he put himself out there again in order to make sure nobody can make the same boneheaded mistake he did. I mean that's gotta be deserving of some respect.


What mistake? He filed the paperwork. He did everything by the book. What he did was perfectly legal.
 
2012-11-09 05:04:04 PM
Octopus are quite beloved by the ladies.

NSFW
 
2012-11-09 05:04:08 PM

Surool: halB: To be fair, instead of laying low and letting the world forget about him, he put himself out there again in order to make sure nobody can make the same boneheaded mistake he did. I mean that's gotta be deserving of some respect.

What mistake? He filed the paperwork. He did everything by the book. What he did was perfectly legal.


He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.
 
2012-11-09 05:07:07 PM

redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.


I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.
 
2012-11-09 05:27:12 PM

Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.


A bunch of people had linked to it. Apparently a bunch of the local divers had an unwritten rule and he violated it.
 
2012-11-09 05:39:51 PM

redmid17: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

A bunch of people had linked to it. Apparently a bunch of the local divers had an unwritten rule and he violated it.


If you didn't agree to an unwritten, unposted, unofficial rule, can you really 'violate' it?
 
2012-11-09 05:42:12 PM

Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.


I never meant to imply the guy isn't a douche, but I also think that is extreme considering he filed the right paperwork (asked for and received permission) to do this.
 
2012-11-09 05:51:40 PM

Surool: redmid17: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

A bunch of people had linked to it. Apparently a bunch of the local divers had an unwritten rule and he violated it.

If you didn't agree to an unwritten, unposted, unofficial rule, can you really 'violate' it?


The ultimate arbiters of the unwritten rule are the people who "wrote" it, so I guess you can. I, for one, find unwritten rules to be farking stupid. It's one thing if it's a gentleman's agreement or something about friends, but in a commercial game played to entertain people they are not acceptable.
 
2012-11-09 05:58:45 PM

redmid17: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

A bunch of people had linked to it. Apparently a bunch of the local divers had an unwritten rule and he violated it.


I am a local diver, and I don't know much about "unwritten rules." To yank pretty much anything out of Seacrest is pretty farking rude, though, as well as a health hazard.

That being said, divers are kind of like underwater hipster goths. They have yards of rules about how you're supposed to behave and "cultural" rules and very rigid hierarchies that they feel are very important to adhere to and they get pretty uptight if you tell them to fark off.

This kid was a douche for pulling the octopus, but I'd still dive with him.
 
2012-11-09 05:59:17 PM

Surool: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

I never meant to imply the guy isn't a douche, but I also think that is extreme considering he filed the right paperwork (asked for and received permission) to do this.


It really isn't much in the way of paperwork. It is just a basic shellfish license. You get one once a year so you can get clams and oysters anyway. If you are a diver, you are going to have a shellfish license so you can bring in crab at least.
 
2012-11-09 06:11:29 PM

Surool: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

I never meant to imply the guy isn't a douche, but I also think that is extreme considering he filed the right paperwork (asked for and received permission) to do this.


I generally have no issue with people hunting if they are doing according to Hoyle. Washington State Fish and Wildlife does a pretty good job with managing fisheries and herd sizes.
 
2012-11-09 06:40:27 PM

Rent Party: Hector Remarkable: when he took one of the charismatic animals

By 'charismatic', the author means 'tasty'.

They're really not. They're kind of chewy, and as far as north west seafood options go, there are much more appetizing options.

And they really are charismatic (which is why I don't eat them.) They are curious and non aggressive (unless you're a douchebag trying to yank them out of their hole and kill them). One of my favorite things to do with new divers that have never seen a live one is to take off my glove and let my fingers drift along the end of a tentacle. They like the heat and will reach out to explore the warmth. Given enough time and nerve, the entire animal will wrap itself around your hand. Getting it to release is sometimes a bit of a challenge.


Until they bite you. Their beaks are pretty powerful.

But I'm with you. Like dolphins, they're pretty intelligent and I can't eat them.
 
2012-11-09 06:44:23 PM

lohphat: Rent Party: Hector Remarkable: when he took one of the charismatic animals

By 'charismatic', the author means 'tasty'.

They're really not. They're kind of chewy, and as far as north west seafood options go, there are much more appetizing options.

And they really are charismatic (which is why I don't eat them.) They are curious and non aggressive (unless you're a douchebag trying to yank them out of their hole and kill them). One of my favorite things to do with new divers that have never seen a live one is to take off my glove and let my fingers drift along the end of a tentacle. They like the heat and will reach out to explore the warmth. Given enough time and nerve, the entire animal will wrap itself around your hand. Getting it to release is sometimes a bit of a challenge.

Until they bite you. Their beaks are pretty powerful.

But I'm with you. Like dolphins, they're pretty intelligent and I can't eat them.


They are too smart. That's why we eat them...to keep their numbers down.
 
2012-11-09 07:41:42 PM
"I didn't know they were so beloved, or I wouldn't have done it," he told the commission

I don't really believe this for a second. Everything I've read about this indicates that the dude is an arrogant douche who enjoys torturing animals. He posted a video on youtube of him blowing up a live chicken. Not only does he like hurting animals but he likes being as in your face and offensive about it as possible. He went to the most popular dive site around, took one of the best specimens there was and brutally killed it in front of a crowd of people that had gathered to watch. When someone confronted him he was as douchy as he could possibly be, drug the animal across the pavement still alive, tossed it in the back of his truck and drove off.

Even days after this when the dive community was in an uproar and local media was covering the story he still wasn't backing down. He threatened to go back and kill the rest of the octopus there if the guy who confronted him didn't apologize to HIM for his behavior.

Since then he has been fired from his job, ostracized from the diving community and received death threats. His family was so worried they lawyered up and with sound legal advice his attitude has finally changed. I don't think he's actually changed though, I think he's just been well coached by his lawyer. A guy that's this much of an arrogant jerk will not change overnight, if ever.
 
2012-11-09 08:03:34 PM

ElBarto79: "I didn't know they were so beloved, or I wouldn't have done it," he told the commission

I don't really believe this for a second. Everything I've read about this indicates that the dude is an arrogant douche who enjoys torturing animals. He posted a video on youtube of him blowing up a live chicken. Not only does he like hurting animals but he likes being as in your face and offensive about it as possible. He went to the most popular dive site around, took one of the best specimens there was and brutally killed it in front of a crowd of people that had gathered to watch. When someone confronted him he was as douchy as he could possibly be, drug the animal across the pavement still alive, tossed it in the back of his truck and drove off.

Even days after this when the dive community was in an uproar and local media was covering the story he still wasn't backing down. He threatened to go back and kill the rest of the octopus there if the guy who confronted him didn't apologize to HIM for his behavior.

Since then he has been fired from his job, ostracized from the diving community and received death threats. His family was so worried they lawyered up and with sound legal advice his attitude has finally changed. I don't think he's actually changed though, I think he's just been well coached by his lawyer. A guy that's this much of an arrogant jerk will not change overnight, if ever.


What job? All I've seen is that local dive shops said they won't train him to do his dream job of being a rescue diver.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:31 PM

Rent Party: redmid17: Rent Party: redmid17:
He got banned from all the dive shops in Seattle for it. I mean I can print up 100 copies of Mein Kampf and try to hand them out at the ADL weekly meetings. It's totally legal and it's also a farking idiotic thing to do.

I hadn't read that. The guy is a douche, but I think that's kind of extreme.

A bunch of people had linked to it. Apparently a bunch of the local divers had an unwritten rule and he violated it.

I am a local diver, and I don't know much about "unwritten rules." To yank pretty much anything out of Seacrest is pretty farking rude, though, as well as a health hazard.

That being said, divers are kind of like underwater hipster goths. They have yards of rules about how you're supposed to behave and "cultural" rules and very rigid hierarchies that they feel are very important to adhere to and they get pretty uptight if you tell them to fark off.

This kid was a douche for pulling the octopus, but I'd still dive with him.


Locals Only Brah!
www.heyroger.com
 
2012-11-09 08:25:49 PM

redmid17: What job? All I've seen is that local dive shops said they won't train him to do his dream job of being a rescue diver.


You can read the original thread that started everything here: Link

If you look at the second post on the last page someone mentions that his employer asked him not to return to work, I don't have any confirmation if this is actually true though.
 
2012-11-09 08:42:08 PM

ElBarto79: I don't really believe this for a second. Everything I've read about this indicates that the dude is an arrogant douche who enjoys torturing animals. He posted a video on youtube of him blowing up a live chicken. Not only does he like hurting animals but he likes being as in your face and offensive about it as possible. He went to the most popular dive site around, took one of the best specimens there was and brutally killed it in front of a crowd of people that had gathered to watch. When someone confronted him he was as douchy as he could possibly be, drug the animal across the pavement still alive, tossed it in the back of his truck and drove off.



The problem is that everything you wrote above is what the locals SAID he did, there is NO PROOF, nobody copied any of the supposed "torture" pics or vids from his facebook, so maybe they never existed, maybe some treehugger diver locals just got in his face over a perfectly legal harvest, which would piss off any hunter, then they made up a bunch of lies to start a smear campaign against him, just for hunting in "their" dive spot.

If he actually did torture animals, why isn't he being prosecuted for animal cruelty? Maybe he never did any such thing.
 
2012-11-09 08:59:09 PM
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2012-11-09 09:16:51 PM

WeenerGord: The problem is that everything you wrote above is what the locals SAID he did, there is NO PROOF, nobody copied any of the supposed "torture" pics or vids from his facebook, so maybe they never existed, maybe some treehugger diver locals just got in his face over a perfectly legal harvest, which would piss off any hunter, then they made up a bunch of lies to start a smear campaign against him, just for hunting in "their" dive spot.

If he actually did torture animals, why isn't he being prosecuted for animal cruelty? Maybe he never did any such thing.


Here is the video of him blowing up a live chicken: Link
And a video he made of a dying cow for some reason: Link

Some people did take screenshots of some of the stuff on his facebook but I'm not going to bother tracking it down. There are enough people that saw it there is not really any denying it was there, and he has never denied any of it was there. Why is no one pursuing it? I don't know, maybe he's just a dumb kid and they don't feel it's worth it, or maybe they feel he's been punished enough by the media. But if you watch these videos and see how thoroughly he enjoys torturing animals and watching them suffer you will understand why people are in such an uproar. This is someone who enjoys killing not for meat or even for sport but because he enjoys watching animals suffer, the more pain the better.
 
2012-11-10 08:22:01 AM
mmm, tako
 
2012-11-10 09:35:19 AM

Rent Party:
I am a local diver, and I don't know much about "unwritten rules." To yank pretty much anything out of Seacrest is pretty farking rude, though, as well as a health hazard.

That being said, divers are kind of like underwater hipster goths. They have yards of rules about how you're supposed to behave and "cultural" rules and very rigid hierarchies that they feel are very important to adhere to and they get pretty uptight if you tell them to fark off.

This kid was a douche for pulling the octopus, but I'd still dive with him.


me too.. but i would resurface alone.
 
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