somedude210: As a Lincoln Republican (wait, we still have those? Yes, Virginia, we do still have socially liberal republicans) living in Liberal Bastion Massachusetts who went out and helped with the Warren campaign and was (and still am) a Jon Huntsman supporter, I agree with the other Republicans here. The party is not what the party should be. We are no longer a party of fiscally conservative moderates to counter the fiscally liberal moderates of the Democratic party.
phaseolus: pecosdave: I'm working on it.Well good for you, but I see your subsequent posts are filled with a bunch of stuff about the "left wing" and how it just loves federal control over everything and the statement "You are my enemy" directed at another Farker.I know it's super easy to buy into narratives like leftists-hate-freedom or whatever, but would you consider the possibility that many people who vote against Repubs aren't so much "leftist" as they are people who just want good government? It sounds like your group has a lot of ideas. Chances are good that many of them are intrinsically good ones. And if they are, you might discover that many of these people you're dismissing as totalitarian-minded commies would actually be natural allies, sometimes, who you could work with to achieve common goals. After the whole process is done with them your ideas probably won't be adopted verbatim -- and neither will theirs -- but the result could be something better than what we're all stuck with now.It sounds like you're used to thinking in terms of categories and maybe doctrinal purity. But what do you really want in the end -- good, lean public policy that works a little better than what we have today? Or a He-Man Tyranny Haters' Club in a treehouse somewhere where you and your friends can sit around and biatch?
Garble: Yeah, cause the GOP's fiscal and economic polices are SOOOOO worth preserving.I actually think their dark-ages social polices go well with their magic-themed economic philosophy. If there were orcs and the GOP stayed away from governance, they could be entertaining.
China White Tea: They don't seem to realize that "social conservatism" is not a growth industry. Social conservatives do one thing really well: they die.It's hard to make new social conservatives. You have to indoctrinate them at a young age and then hope it sticks, which is really, really difficult in the age of ubiquitous internet.
DemonEater: daveUSMC: News flash. Not all registered Republicans are Tea Partying Mamma Grizzlies. Not all of us fall into the "Rape-ublican" wing label you want to paint us with.Free association. You hang out with them, you're gonna get some of that on you.Either chuck them out or leave if you don't want their tar brush anywhere near you.
pecosdave: You start increasing the levels of freedom and decreasing the number of laws we live under we don't have to achieve the full vision in order to make this place much more livable and burdensome on the next generation.
log_jammin: pecosdave: Remember banks were ordered by the government to make those loans available to begin with.That's really all I need to know about you. I'm not going to argue with an idiot. good night.
somedude210: Our party is being strangled by the radical fringe because we let them
shadow9d9: That is the only type of conservative. There is no such thing as a "fiscal conservative" politician. Never was and never will be. It is a fantasy.
The Dog Ate My Homework: See, here's the thing: This supposed dichotomy between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives does not really exist. The same people who think it's fair to tax super rich people at half the rate of everyone else are the same people who think you should be grateful for that rape baby that Jesus gave you.
fringedmyotis: Last lines from TFA: "It's not time to throw out social conservatives. It's time to accept that without them the GOP would be even a smaller party even less able to reach out to the hispanic demographic all the smart people say they need to embrace. Addition through subtraction never really works well."Good that they're trying to apply some math. Not so good that it's still limited to their bubble of social conservatism.
Frederick: The youth, who are a growing voting demographic, do not tolerate the GOP social agenda. Recognize the trend Republicans. The social platform will not prevail for the GOP any longer.
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