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(RedState)   It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP   (redstate.com) divider line 116
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2012-11-09 12:05:23 PM
He actually believes that, by becoming more socially conservative, the Republican party will steal black and Hispanic votes away from the Democrats.

I'm not sure what Erick Erickson's personal life is like, but I bet it involves lots of hallucinogenics.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:17 PM

somedude210: As a Lincoln Republican (wait, we still have those? Yes, Virginia, we do still have socially liberal republicans) living in Liberal Bastion Massachusetts who went out and helped with the Warren campaign and was (and still am) a Jon Huntsman supporter, I agree with the other Republicans here. The party is not what the party should be. We are no longer a party of fiscally conservative moderates to counter the fiscally liberal moderates of the Democratic party.


Oh yes, what a great guy John Huntsman is, totally reasonable. Let's eliminate capital gains and dividident taxes, lower corporate taxes by 12%, lower everyone else's taxes while we're at it, then end Health Care Reform and all the Dodd-Frank financial reforms. Also basically kill FEMA and the EPA. You know how we'll pay for it? Closing unspecified loopholes!

None of your Republican splinters have any good ideas, other than opposing SOPA. That is literally the list right now
 
2012-11-09 12:21:38 PM

phaseolus: pecosdave: I'm working on it.


Well good for you, but I see your subsequent posts are filled with a bunch of stuff about the "left wing" and how it just loves federal control over everything and the statement "You are my enemy" directed at another Farker.

I know it's super easy to buy into narratives like leftists-hate-freedom or whatever, but would you consider the possibility that many people who vote against Repubs aren't so much "leftist" as they are people who just want good government? It sounds like your group has a lot of ideas. Chances are good that many of them are intrinsically good ones. And if they are, you might discover that many of these people you're dismissing as totalitarian-minded commies would actually be natural allies, sometimes, who you could work with to achieve common goals. After the whole process is done with them your ideas probably won't be adopted verbatim -- and neither will theirs -- but the result could be something better than what we're all stuck with now.

It sounds like you're used to thinking in terms of categories and maybe doctrinal purity. But what do you really want in the end -- good, lean public policy that works a little better than what we have today? Or a He-Man Tyranny Haters' Club in a treehouse somewhere where you and your friends can sit around and biatch?


You start increasing the levels of freedom and decreasing the number of laws we live under we don't have to achieve the full vision in order to make this place much more livable and burdensome on the next generation.
 
2012-11-09 12:24:56 PM
BTW, the you are my enemy thing was in reply to a rather straight forward statement that increasing regulation is what we need. Increased regulation got us here and more will make it worse.
 
2012-11-09 12:27:38 PM
Yeah, cause the GOP's fiscal and economic polices are SOOOOO worth preserving.

I actually think their dark-ages social polices go well with their magic-themed economic philosophy. If there were orcs and the GOP stayed away from governance, they could be entertaining.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:33 PM

Garble: Yeah, cause the GOP's fiscal and economic polices are SOOOOO worth preserving.

I actually think their dark-ages social polices go well with their magic-themed economic philosophy. If there were orcs and the GOP stayed away from governance, they could be entertaining.


They're not worth preserving. Actual conservative money policies are. The GOP is neck and neck with the Democrats on spending, they just have different corporate masters.

That's part of why us Libertarians jumped ship.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:13 PM

China White Tea: They don't seem to realize that "social conservatism" is not a growth industry. Social conservatives do one thing really well: they die.

It's hard to make new social conservatives. You have to indoctrinate them at a young age and then hope it sticks, which is really, really difficult in the age of ubiquitous internet.


It might not be a growth industry but ignorance is. If they can sustain a shiatty education system, there should be an unending supply of right-wingers.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:43 PM

Garble: Yeah, cause the GOP's fiscal and economic polices are SOOOOO worth preserving.

I actually think their dark-ages social polices go well with their magic-themed economic philosophy. If there were orcs and the GOP stayed away from governance, they could be entertaining.


See, you're casting a wide net over anyone who's got an R after their name. I have an R after mine, but I don't want to "lower taxes %20 across the board" or increase defense spending a dime.

Do I want to reduce the scale of government involvement, including addressing entitlement spending and some safety net programs? Sure. Do I want to take away poor people's food and money and shove them into the cold, making them swim through an alligator infested moat to compete for the right to live in government subsidized housing? No.

As far as I'm concerned though, Grover Norquist can go get intimately acquainted with a cactus, and Jerry Fallwell can go meet Ted Haggard in a truck stop.
 
2012-11-09 01:26:32 PM

DemonEater: daveUSMC: News flash. Not all registered Republicans are Tea Partying Mamma Grizzlies. Not all of us fall into the "Rape-ublican" wing label you want to paint us with.

Free association. You hang out with them, you're gonna get some of that on you.
Either chuck them out or leave if you don't want their tar brush anywhere near you.


Some of us did leave. I registered Democrat, though I tend to vote more libertarian when I can. Yet we mention being conservative and get "ZOMG TEATARD WHARRGARBL!"
 
2012-11-09 01:27:20 PM

pecosdave: You start increasing the levels of freedom and decreasing the number of laws we live under we don't have to achieve the full vision in order to make this place much more livable and burdensome on the next generation.


this.
 
2012-11-09 03:25:55 PM

log_jammin: pecosdave: Remember banks were ordered by the government to make those loans available to begin with.

That's really all I need to know about you. I'm not going to argue with an idiot. good night.


ok I'll give him the benefit of a doubt... maybe he just really doesn't know the difference between 'opinion' and 'factual reality'... here, Pecos... just read the 'cause' section and then report back that it was still democrat legislation that 'forced' those poor loan originators to write bad loans that they were selling to wall street to be 'collateralized'.

here's the summary in case too busy to read the whole thing:
The U.S. Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported its findings in January 2011. It concluded that "the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: Widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve's failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; Dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; An explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; Key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels."
 
2012-11-09 04:21:06 PM

somedude210: Our party is being strangled by the radical fringe because we let them


Um... it's not a fringe. It's not quite a majority, but it's just short.

shadow9d9: That is the only type of conservative. There is no such thing as a "fiscal conservative" politician. Never was and never will be. It is a fantasy.


1) Moneycons are circa 20% of the GOP; linky.
2) There's two basic flavors for conservative; loosely: protofascist and sociopath,

The Dog Ate My Homework: See, here's the thing: This supposed dichotomy between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives does not really exist. The same people who think it's fair to tax super rich people at half the rate of everyone else are the same people who think you should be grateful for that rape baby that Jesus gave you.


There's an overlap between the sociopaths and protofascists, but they're not the same two groups.
Granted, the fiscal conservatives still tend more protofascist than Democrats, but there is a difference.
 
2012-11-09 07:30:20 PM

fringedmyotis: Last lines from TFA: "It's not time to throw out social conservatives. It's time to accept that without them the GOP would be even a smaller party even less able to reach out to the hispanic demographic all the smart people say they need to embrace. Addition through subtraction never really works well."

Good that they're trying to apply some math. Not so good that it's still limited to their bubble of social conservatism.


And yet somehow tax cuts will create a rise in revenues?
 
2012-11-09 11:22:08 PM
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2012-11-10 12:22:05 AM
NEWSFLASH

The youth, who are a growing voting demographic, do not tolerate the GOP social agenda. Recognize the trend Republicans. The social platform will not prevail for the GOP any longer.
 
2012-11-10 12:02:49 PM

Frederick: The youth, who are a growing voting demographic, do not tolerate the GOP social agenda. Recognize the trend Republicans. The social platform will not prevail for the GOP any longer.


It's merely a sign of the corruption of youth in these degenerate days. No doubt if their elders sharply rebuke them about the error of their ways, the naive little dears will fall in line once more to the properly Republican way of things.

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