DamnYankees: The social conservatives are, as far as I can tell, the majority of the GOP.
pecosdave: I'm working on it.
log_jammin: watching the right try to self reflect is hilarious.
dudemanbro: How about all "conservatives" fark off? They're all either selfish to the point of being destructive to the social fabric, all up in everybody else's business about how they run their lives, or forming little judgemental groups to make life difficult for those they don't like; consequently they should all fark off. Assholes.
Happy Hours: You're not helping.
Happy Hours: People like you are not very different from Tea baggers. You feel the other party is evil and should be stopped at all costs Much like them, you feel there is no room for compromise and the only solution is to somehow exterminate those who disagree with your views.
abb3w: I think your best long-term shot is electoral reform.Figure out an algorithm for redistricting to end the shenanigans there; make sure it's not racistly racist racism badly disguised in blackface, but a system which recognizes and addresses that longstanding problem. Go with some manner of alternate voting mechanism like concordet, instant run-off, or whatever, that might help third parties be viable. Figure out how to make voting fully auditable to cut out wholesale fraud, yet maintain the secret ballot, and still simple enough for high schoolers to learn; talk to the computer science folk for the algorithms there, too.
pecosdave: The libertarian bunch
optikeye: pecosdave: The libertarian bunchAside from social issues. "Libertarain" is a code word for more power to corporations, less regulations for corporations, and more corporate control over our lives. Sounds nice on paper...but "libertarian" would allow mega monopolies. With only a few survicing corporations running wild...controling our employment, health care, internet, electricity, Firefighters, EMTS, etc..etc.All without that pesky 'regulation' that says you have to treat people in the ER...or if you can't pay the bill the corporation could place you physically in a "Work Farm" until paid. HEY, with no regulation...why not? It's a 'work house' to pay off debt not a prison. Nothing in libertarianism would prevent that worst case Scifi situation. In fact we've had it before in Charles Dicken's London. Debtors' prison. LinkThat's the ultimate outcome with 'libertarianism". Sounds good at first...yeah..Pot and no regs...until you know the 'no regs' applies to those corporation/people too.
pecosdave: it's regulations preventing competition.
pecosdave: Fine.Go start a local ISP right now. Take advantage of those fibers run directly to the consumers residence that they decide who gets to plug into them? Oh? They don't exist? Why don't you run some of your own to their homes then. What? Regulations don't allow it without an incredibly high barrier of expensive certifications, permits, and licenses? Well go get those. What? You're still not allowed because now all the other carriers are lobbying to make new laws to prevent it and suing on various shaky legal premises that shouldn't exist?Yeah. Almost as hilarious as you thinking it's hilarious.
log_jammin: pecosdave: Fine.Go start a local ISP right now. Take advantage of those fibers run directly to the consumers residence that they decide who gets to plug into them? Oh? They don't exist? Why don't you run some of your own to their homes then. What? Regulations don't allow it without an incredibly high barrier of expensive certifications, permits, and licenses? Well go get those. What? You're still not allowed because now all the other carriers are lobbying to make new laws to prevent it and suing on various shaky legal premises that shouldn't exist?Yeah. Almost as hilarious as you thinking it's hilarious.I can't right now. I'm too busy writing sub prime mortgages and selling them off to the banks. But hopefully in a few years my waste control business will be in full swing when the LP takes over congress. I plan to collect everyone used tires and car batteries for a small feel and dump them in a hole that's right above the water table.If that doesn't work out, I'll start my sub par meat business. all meat personally inspected by earl of course. I'll make a ton by buying all the old product the local stares can't sell after awhile. a few injections of a "solution" and my beef will look pretty again and I can sell it for half price!But then again....I'll have tons of competition....but that's what the market is all about! Thank god for forward thinking libertarians! down with regulations!
pecosdave: Remember banks were ordered by the government to make those loans available to begin with.
log_jammin: pecosdave: Remember banks were ordered by the government to make those loans available to begin with.That's really all I need to know about you. I'm not going to argue with an idiot. good night.
pecosdave: Completely ignored the link and all the implications in it. I guess he decided to stop arguing with himself and go to bed.
log_jammin: pecosdave: Completely ignored the link and all the implications in it. I guess he decided to stop arguing with himself and go to bed.no. I've seen the link many times. and if you still think after all this time that the CRA forced banks into pushing subprime loans, then you're a hopeless cause and it's pointless dealing with you.
pecosdave: The Occupy Wall Street crowd? They were HELPING WALL STREET.
GAT_00: pecosdave: The Occupy Wall Street crowd? They were HELPING WALL STREET.What the hell is beyond WHARRGARBLE? We've reached new record levels of derp.
pecosdave: Of course neither the Democrats or Republicans want anything resembling instant run-off or any sort of reform, it reinforces their duopoly
pecosdave: There's a balance to be achieved.
pecosdave: the intelligent consumers will know
Gulper Eel: If you want to be persnickety and demand that marriage licenses be named something else because 'marriage' is a word that carries a religious context...okay, sure. That would be a good example of separating church from state the way it's supposed to be.
abb3w: pecosdave: Of course neither the Democrats or Republicans want anything resembling instant run-off or any sort of reform, it reinforces their duopolyHowever, the GOP looks to be on the edge of a demographic cliff, where they can either keep their political stance and lose voters, or shift their political stance and lose voters -- leaving the Democrats with a (near) monopoly. It might motivate them, if they can face reality.I admit, it's unlikely. But, it seems the most viable way for the GOP to maintain significant levels of power. Contrariwise, since I'm to the left of the Democratic median on a lot of issues, I'm not too upset by the prospect of the political right coming crashing down.pecosdave: There's a balance to be achieved.Unfortunately, the Randite wing of the libertarians doesn't seem to recognize that.Since you're a libertarian, you're probably disinclined to think of the left-right spectrum, anyway, preferring to think in two dimensions. If you haven't encountered it, you might find the two dimensions that the psychological metrics discussed in Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" of interest. At the end, you might consider my conjecture that Libertarians appear to tend to be low-RWA, but high-SDO.I'm not sure what the practical consequences are if I'm right, but it seems likely there would be some.pecosdave: the intelligent consumers will knowLike most modern economists, you're neglecting information costs; treating de minimus as de nihil is as sloppy as a spherical cow, or worse in some cases.Gulper Eel: If you want to be persnickety and demand that marriage licenses be named something else because 'marriage' is a word that carries a religious context...okay, sure. That would be a good example of separating church from state the way it's supposed to be.Except, you have to do that for all marriages, because some churches (like the Unitarian Universalists) are just fine with sanctifying gay marriages. Which a few folk are fine with; but m ...
RexTalionis: Meanwhile, on April 26 of 2012 (a mere 6 and a half months ago), Erick Erickson said:"When you have a massive black turnout for Barack Obama, and he wins them by 90%, you need as many Christian evangelicals turning out to offset that for Mitt Romney. He needs to not take social conservatives for granted."
pecosdave: While you're off selling stinky meat I'll make sure I buy all of mine from stores and distributors approved by the Safe Food Alliance. There will always be a place for cut rate crap like you sale, but the intelligent consumers will know not to buy from anywhere but an SFA butcher or possibly from someone they know and trust.You're not going to have a lot of time to perform your butcher job as everyone who drinks water from the water table, for example, everyone, will be collectively suing your ass because pollution of the water table does infringe on the rights of others as understood as by the "do no harm to others" requirement to existing. Libertarian approved. Remember, we're not Anarchist, there's a big difference.Go write all the sub-prime mortgages you like. When the loan recipients can't pay what are you going to do? We plan to eliminate the FED and the FDIC won't be there to bail your ass out. It looks to me like some people are going to get some very cheap houses out of the deal. You might be able to evict a few but eventually the courts are just going to call you an idiot for it.Remember banks were ordered by the government to make those loans available to begin with.
Lost Thought 00: No, the time to do that was 30 years ago. You could throw all of them out, the GOP brand would still be tainted by their residue
somedude210: As a Lincoln Republican (wait, we still have those? Yes, Virginia, we do still have socially liberal republicans) living in Liberal Bastion Massachusetts who went out and helped with the Warren campaign and was (and still am) a Jon Huntsman supporter, I agree with the other Republicans here. The party is not what the party should be. We are no longer a party of fiscally conservative moderates to counter the fiscally liberal moderates of the Democratic party.
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