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2012-11-09 09:28:33 AM  
I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.
 
2012-11-09 09:52:43 AM  
Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.
 
2012-11-09 09:56:04 AM  

Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.


She has executive experience. Unlike the empty su...snert... Nope couldn't do it.
 
2012-11-09 09:57:08 AM  

Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.


i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.
 
2012-11-09 10:01:26 AM  
I was essentially the site logistics coordinator* for our ward. I've worked on a couple campaigns in the past and I was most impressed by the organizational structure of OFA. It was fairly structured from the State Campaign Director on down to the Field Organizer level, but at the Field level it was fairly collaborative. The model reminded me a lot of Amway: convincing your neighbors to convince your neighbors to convince your neighbors buy your product. Other campaigns I've worked on relied on canvassers and phonebankers from outside the neighborhood/city/county to do the leg work, but in this case it was probably someone you knew or recognized from the area. That's really powerful for GOTV efforts and it allowed us to take advantage of local knowledge to be more effective (e.g., we told our FO there was no point in canvassing with 7 minutes left in the Steelers/Giants game and that if we did send people out, we'd most likely lose votes).

That being said, the biggest complaint we got was that people were hit multiple times by multiple different organizations with whom we had no contact (i.e. the Unions and the PACs). Unfortunately, there was no way we could have avoided that.

/*This wasn't an official title for the campaign (for those of you in the know), but I was doing the tasks of the "Data Captain", "Comfort Captain", and "Site Coordinator".
 
2012-11-09 10:06:00 AM  

EvilEgg: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

She has executive experience. Unlike the empty su...snert... Nope couldn't do it.


Really. She was governor of Alaska for a few hours and quit. What, Andy Griffith wasn't available?
 
2012-11-09 10:06:04 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:

That being said, the biggest complaint we got was that people were hit multiple times by multiple different organizations with whom we had no contact (i.e. the Unions and the PACs). Unfortunately, there was no way we could have avoided that.


that was less of an issue in my area, since it's nominally Republican...but we did hit the same people multiple times - phone calls and canvassing neighborhoods. we made sure to make AT LEAST two passes through neighborhoods on election day in order to get out the vote. again, we knew this was the plan and we had a clear chain of command up to central party HQ in philly.
 
2012-11-09 10:06:07 AM  
The black guy who can't even run a lemonade stand just kicked your ass, and you didn't even see it coming, and you still don't believe it.
 
2012-11-09 10:08:06 AM  

vernonFL: The black guy who can't even run a lemonade stand just kicked your ass, and you didn't even see it coming, and you still don't believe it.


I still haven't seen Limbaugh make any comment about Nate Silver at all.
 
2012-11-09 10:22:39 AM  

Weaver95: i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.


Yeah, but...they had Jesus on their side, so...yeah.
 
2012-11-09 10:25:15 AM  
Hats off to him.  He did do that.
 
2012-11-09 10:31:38 AM  
img694.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-09 10:34:44 AM  

Weaver95: central party HQ in philly.


We had the biggest fights with Philly HQ. Honestly, I know that we were behind on statewide numbers on Sunday night, but no one in Pittsburgh was going to answer the door or pick up the phone during a Steelers game (and one so close at that). It wasn't worth our time or effort; Philly didn't seem to understand that.
 
2012-11-09 10:54:49 AM  
Mitt's problems were psychological as much as they were mathematical in this respect. They could have had more accurate numbers. They didn't want those.

You adjust your strategy based on the numbers. Not the other way around. I guarantee you a large part of the problem was Mitt himself not wanting to be told the unpleasant truths.
 
2012-11-09 11:03:00 AM  

Weaver95: I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.


The DNC is really falling behind the GOP in binder technology however.
 
2012-11-09 11:04:33 AM  
The word Obvious isn't strong enough.
 
2012-11-09 11:08:56 AM  
So Dems had the best programmers. Republicans had:

www.boredomsoft.org
 
2012-11-09 11:55:48 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Comfort Captain


Giggety.
 
2012-11-09 11:59:18 AM  
And people were supposed to vote Romney due to his organizational competence
 
2012-11-09 12:21:42 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: central party HQ in philly.

We had the biggest fights with Philly HQ. Honestly, I know that we were behind on statewide numbers on Sunday night, but no one in Pittsburgh was going to answer the door or pick up the phone during a Steelers game (and one so close at that). It wasn't worth our time or effort; Philly didn't seem to understand that.


our issue with philly was that they didn't seem to understand that knocking on doors out here can literally take hours - especially in the more rural areas like perry county. they were always like 'your late with your canvass data' and i'm like 'dude...they're out in the f*cking woods. give 'em time, they'll come back'.
 
2012-11-09 12:22:48 PM  

Weaver95: I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.


So, does he take it with him or does he try to use it to take the House in 2014?
 
2012-11-09 12:23:27 PM  
In before "That's why he was too busy to [have an effective response to hurricane Sandy/meet with netanyahoo/send extra security to benghazi/create jobs]."

/you know it's coming
 
2012-11-09 12:27:27 PM  
I don't want to go to off-topic but I've recently been slammed and ridiculed for saying "Progressive" and yet within the article is says:

"A new focus on how Democrats and progressives are on the winning side of the data wars."

Can the Fark Left/Progressives/Liberals/whatever give those of us on the Right some guidance on what's not going to get your feathers ruffled? It's in the interest Farking for all.


Also those of us on the younger side of the Right have been rallying at the Old Guard that they need to get with it. Romney's campaign was the first time they started to listen but they still have a way to go.
 
2012-11-09 12:27:52 PM  
fta The right just doesn't have the depth of professional experience in hands-on organizing that the left does,

To be fair, you wouldn't want to put your hands on 47% of those people, anyway.
 
2012-11-09 12:27:56 PM  

Mentat: [img694.imageshack.us image 348x144]


The funny thing is, he'd be the first to say he didn't. He told everyone it wasn't him, it was them that made it all possible. He can talk the talk, AND walk the walk.
 
2012-11-09 12:28:19 PM  
I was always expecting something like this would come to light when the dust settled. Not that I had any specific info about what it would be specifically, just that one hallmark of Team Obama over the years has been an understated grasp on technology and an even lower profile on the various schemes they have devised to deal with certain situations. This particular DB and its obvious backend capabilities, fall right into line with this very mature, reserved and methodical manner in which TO has operated on the campaign trail and in the WH.

While this may be a stretch, I have also had questions as to the first debate where Obama was trounced. It was so out of character, I can only think it was a calculated move to bait R2 into a trap of sorts that was later sprung, not at the other debates so much, but in the manner the campaign was conducted in a general way up to the election night. Maybe it was a diversion to put R2 on a different track away from focusing on TO's actual strategy of GOtV and other efforts. R2 ended up chasing its tail around the country while TO carried on with their plan. It also allowed Obama to shift focus from campaigning to important issues of governance when needed as his actions during Sandy demonstrated.

Anyway, it is obvious that R2 was played like a deck of cards by Team Obama and since election night, there is at least a couple of stories each day as to the ineptitude of the Romney campaign in general.
 
2012-11-09 12:28:48 PM  
Hitler was a good organizer too and that turned out well
 
2012-11-09 12:29:12 PM  
I still think the GOP gave up when they didn't put a viable candiate in the primary. Rubio. Bush 3. Christie.
 
2012-11-09 12:32:06 PM  
The right just doesn't have the depth of professional experience in hands-on organizing that the left does,

But but but astroturf GRASS ROOTS!
 
2012-11-09 12:32:07 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.


I remember back when you were the biggest bush-ite. man, times have changed.
 
2012-11-09 12:32:40 PM  

SouthParkCon: I don't want to go to off-topic but I've recently been slammed and ridiculed for saying "Progressive" and yet within the article is says:

"A new focus on how Democrats and progressives are on the winning side of the data wars."

Can the Fark Left/Progressives/Liberals/whatever give those of us on the Right some guidance on what's not going to get your feathers ruffled? It's in the interest Farking for all.


Also those of us on the younger side of the Right have been rallying railing at the Old Guard that they need to get with it. Romney's campaign was the first time they started to listen but they still have a way to go.


FTFM
 
2012-11-09 12:33:07 PM  

homelessdude: there is at least a couple of stories each day as to the ineptitude of the Romney campaign in general.


One of my favorites so far

Link
 
2012-11-09 12:33:08 PM  
Once Obama is done with his second term, I think, after a nice post-presidency speaking tour or three, he should come back and be the DNC chairman for a cycle or two.
 
2012-11-09 12:33:54 PM  
I'm guessing the old Republican voting method is just not good enough for these days.
 
2012-11-09 12:34:04 PM  

Weaver95: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: central party HQ in philly.

We had the biggest fights with Philly HQ. Honestly, I know that we were behind on statewide numbers on Sunday night, but no one in Pittsburgh was going to answer the door or pick up the phone during a Steelers game (and one so close at that). It wasn't worth our time or effort; Philly didn't seem to understand that.

our issue with philly was that they didn't seem to understand that knocking on doors out here can literally take hours - especially in the more rural areas like perry county. they were always like 'your late with your canvass data' and i'm like 'dude...they're out in the f*cking woods. give 'em time, they'll come back'.


I remember similar arguements back from '08. In order to canvass my area I had to drive, and in many cases it was 10 mins or so between houses. And you really didn't want to make a mistake and end up on Farmer Brown's property, where if his dogs didn't get you, his 30-06 would.

We also had the problem of MoveOn and other orgs overlapping with calls and canvasses.

I found most of what I did in the closing days of the '08 election was explain to people different aspects of voting, and how to get to the polling place.

That said, find job this year in PA Team Obama, Romney never had a chance in this state.
 
2012-11-09 12:34:09 PM  

SuperT: Weaver95: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.

I remember back when you were the biggest bush-ite. man, times have changed.


Yea, I didn't pick up that Weaver had gone over to the Left. That is a change.
 
2012-11-09 12:34:27 PM  

TheOther:
So, does he take it with him or does he try to use it to take the House in 2014?


well, look at it this way - the voter lists we built this election are going to be used as the basis for GOTV efforts in 2014. we know who we reached, who came out to vote for us and its likely that if we reach out to them again, we could get them to vote Democratic party in the mid terms.

plus, Limbaugh and the GOP are spending their time right now yelling at voters and calling them stupid. because THAT'll work out so well for 'em in 2014, right?
 
2012-11-09 12:37:55 PM  

Weaver95: I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.


It's funny because the GOP demonizes and actively tries to purge their party of the people who can create systems like this, then scratch their heads in amazement when their technical abilities are adversely affected.

There will be some fun news coming soon about the complete and utter failure of Project ORCA.
 
2012-11-09 12:39:46 PM  

SouthParkCon: Can the Fark Left/Progressives/Liberals/whatever give those of us on the Right some guidance on what's not going to get your feathers ruffled? It's in the interest Farking for all.


Right wingers shouldn't use either and continue using spiteful rhetoric and mangled versions of both words in school yard taunt fashion. That will appeal to the most amount of people.
 
2012-11-09 12:44:21 PM  

Weaver95: TheOther:
So, does he take it with him or does he try to use it to take the House in 2014?

well, look at it this way - the voter lists we built this election are going to be used as the basis for GOTV efforts in 2014. we know who we reached, who came out to vote for us and its likely that if we reach out to them again, we could get them to vote Democratic party in the mid terms.

plus, Limbaugh and the GOP are spending their time right now yelling at voters and calling them stupid. because THAT'll work out so well for 'em in 2014, right?


While the butthurt is going to have to run its course, I wouldn't assume that is what the RNC will be depending on in 2014. I know Fark see's the Tea Party and GOP as a bunch of racist backward hillbillies but the reality is that a lot of people getting involved on the Right just don't have the experience that the Left has in community organizing. That is beginning to change, will it make a difference? I would hope so. I know a vast majority of Farkers would support a Democratic super-majority however like the old saying goes "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and for the record I wouldn't support a Republican super-majority either.
 
2012-11-09 12:44:28 PM  
logistics, logistics, logistics. that's what worked for us in Pennsylvania.
 
2012-11-09 12:44:31 PM  

SouthParkCon: Also those of us on the younger side of the Right have been rallying at the Old Guard that they need to get with it. Romney's campaign was the first time they started to listen but they still have a way to go.


says the guy who was beating the skewed polls horse on Monday night.
 
2012-11-09 12:45:28 PM  

SouthParkCon:
Yea, I didn't pick up that Weaver had gone over to the Left. That is a change.


Weaver adopted the Klingon proverb with respects to the GOP: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, prepare to die."
 
2012-11-09 12:45:52 PM  
I canvassed for the Obama campaign in 2008, and even back then they had a pretty tight organization. But from everything I've read over the past couple of days, they seriously stepped up their game during the last four years by consolidating their databases, employing all sorts of industry standard A/B differential techniques to craft their campaign emails, and generally running a truly 21st century national campaign...

In stark contrast, on September 10th I received a piece of fundraising snail mail from the Mitt Romney campaign, describing me as "one of our party's most prominent members." Dude, you've got databases. Use them.
 
2012-11-09 12:45:58 PM  

IlGreven: Once Obama is done with his second term, I think, after a nice post-presidency speaking tour or three, he should come back and be the DNC chairman for a cycle or two.


He needs to be the managing directory for their get out the vote efforts. Let Clinton be the bully who gets people in line.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:13 PM  

Headso: SouthParkCon: Can the Fark Left/Progressives/Liberals/whatever give those of us on the Right some guidance on what's not going to get your feathers ruffled? It's in the interest Farking for all.

Right wingers shouldn't use either and continue using spiteful rhetoric and mangled versions of both words in school yard taunt fashion. That will appeal to the most amount of people.


So just "Fark Left"?
 
2012-11-09 12:47:20 PM  

SouthParkCon: SuperT: Weaver95: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.

I remember back when you were the biggest bush-ite. man, times have changed.

Yea, I didn't pick up that Weaver had gone over to the Left. That is a change.


yea, I remember when I first saw his name pop up in threads way back when. I remember thinking "when did republicans find the internet?" Now I feel old.
 
2012-11-09 12:47:40 PM  
SuperT: I remember back when you were the biggest bush-ite. man, times have changed.

That's funny, I saw Weaver95's name on that post and I almost did a spittake. I remember that guy being a waaaaaaaaaay outspoken conservative back in the Bush Years.
 
2012-11-09 12:48:19 PM  

SouthParkCon:

While the butthurt is going to have to run its course, I wouldn't assume that is what the RNC will be depending on in 2014. I know Fark see's the Tea Party and GOP as a bunch of racist backward hillbillies but the reality is that a lot of people getting involved on the Right just don't have the experience that the Left has in community organizing. That is beginning to change, will it make a difference? I would hope so. I know a vast majority of Farkers would support a Democratic super-majority however like the old saying goes "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and for the record I wouldn't support a Republican super-majority either.


i'm going to disagree here a bit - the Right does know how to organize. they're not entirely stupid, and the tea party has organized/motivated teams of voters to get out the vote and pull down powerful members of the GOP that the baggers felt needed to go. so its not that they lack the knowledge or experience. what's ripping the GOP up is that 1. they are sloooooooow to adapt new technologies and 2. the GOP has serious control issues. past a certain point you have to trust that your regional leaders know what they're doing and you have to give 'em free reign to get the job done in their own way. the GOP has big problems trusting regional directors with that level of responsibility. they want to maintain control at the top and have a very strong central control that calls all the shots.
 
2012-11-09 12:48:32 PM  
ummm </b> oops
 
2012-11-09 12:49:27 PM  

SouthParkCon: I don't want to go to off-topic but I've recently been slammed and ridiculed for saying "Progressive" and yet within the article is says:

"A new focus on how Democrats and progressives are on the winning side of the data wars."

Can the Fark Left/Progressives/Liberals/whatever give those of us on the Right some guidance on what's not going to get your feathers ruffled? It's in the interest Farking for all.


Also those of us on the younger side of the Right have been rallying at the Old Guard that they need to get with it. Romney's campaign was the first time they started to listen but they still have a way to go.


how you use a term is important.
 
2012-11-09 12:49:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Hitler was a good organizer too and that turned out well


He built a great highway system, got VW off to a good start, brought Germany out of an economic depression and set the Jews on a path to having their own state in Israel.
Oh, and he liberated Poland practically overnight.

Not bad at all.
 
2012-11-09 12:52:47 PM  

qorkfiend: Weaver95: I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.

It's funny because the GOP demonizes and actively tries to purge their party of the people who can create systems like this, then scratch their heads in amazement when their technical abilities are adversely affected.

There will be some fun news coming soon about the complete and utter failure of Project ORCA.


is that the one where they tried to release Rush back into the Ocean?
 
2012-11-09 12:55:00 PM  

Weaver95: TheOther:
So, does he take it with him or does he try to use it to take the House in 2014?

well, look at it this way - the voter lists we built this election are going to be used as the basis for GOTV efforts in 2014. we know who we reached, who came out to vote for us and its likely that if we reach out to them again, we could get them to vote Democratic party in the mid terms.

plus, Limbaugh and the GOP are spending their time right now yelling at voters and calling them stupid. because THAT'll work out so well for 'em in 2014, right?


1. Start by identifying every GOP congressional district that they won in 2010 with a lower Republican voter turnout than this year's Democratic vote.
2. Never, ever say a word in favor of rape.
3. Turnout those Obama voters for your challenger.

The national Democratic Party isn't an every-election turnout machine. I don't know if this is a money problem or who controls the money problem or structural or fatigue or what, but for the Democrats to overcome mid-term slump, they better have their ground game rolling every where.
 
2012-11-09 12:55:13 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: SouthParkCon:
Yea, I didn't pick up that Weaver had gone over to the Left. That is a change.

Weaver adopted the Klingon proverb with respects to the GOP: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, prepare to die."


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2012-11-09 12:57:51 PM  

Weaver95: i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.


Do you think the Dems can maintain that advantage through the 2020 election? I don't see the Republicans losing their derp they lose that election big and get redistricted.
 
2012-11-09 01:00:57 PM  

Muta: Weaver95: i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.

Do you think the Dems can maintain that advantage through the 2020 election? I don't see the Republicans losing their derp they lose that election big and get redistricted.


well, gerrymandering is going to be more of a problem with state/local elections so getting out the vote is going to be possibly less effective than it was for the Presidential election. that said, I think the state strategy needs to focus more on letting the GOP hang themselves AND balancing efforts to get voters motivated to vote for you. that could be difficult though. budget constraints are more of an issue down here on the ground.
 
2012-11-09 01:01:19 PM  

BSABSVR: SouthParkCon: Also those of us on the younger side of the Right have been rallying at the Old Guard that they need to get with it. Romney's campaign was the first time they started to listen but they still have a way to go.

says the guy who was beating the skewed polls horse on Monday night.


And he would have been right, too, if it wasn't for all that darn math and science!
 
2012-11-09 01:02:23 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: That being said, the biggest complaint we got was that people were hit multiple times by multiple different organizations with whom we had no contact (i.e. the Unions and the PACs). Unfortunately, there was no way we could have avoided that.


As somebody who did some work for a union backed PAC, we got complaints about you too. Just sayin'.
 
2012-11-09 01:02:37 PM  
I'm surprised Rush and Fox are going with "Obama hacked the election using illegal data infiltration techniques"
 
2012-11-09 01:02:40 PM  
Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

bobmccarty.com
 
2012-11-09 01:06:20 PM  

halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]


we haven't heard from you in a couple days. i'm glad you're ok. I was a bit worried that Obama getting re-elected was going to force you to hurt yourself.
 
2012-11-09 01:06:44 PM  

Weaver95: SouthParkCon:

While the butthurt is going to have to run its course, I wouldn't assume that is what the RNC will be depending on in 2014. I know Fark see's the Tea Party and GOP as a bunch of racist backward hillbillies but the reality is that a lot of people getting involved on the Right just don't have the experience that the Left has in community organizing. That is beginning to change, will it make a difference? I would hope so. I know a vast majority of Farkers would support a Democratic super-majority however like the old saying goes "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and for the record I wouldn't support a Republican super-majority either.

i'm going to disagree here a bit - the Right does know how to organize. they're not entirely stupid, and the tea party has organized/motivated teams of voters to get out the vote and pull down powerful members of the GOP that the baggers felt needed to go. so its not that they lack the knowledge or experience. what's ripping the GOP up is that 1. they are sloooooooow to adapt new technologies and 2. the GOP has serious control issues. past a certain point you have to trust that your regional leaders know what they're doing and you have to give 'em free reign to get the job done in their own way. the GOP has big problems trusting regional directors with that level of responsibility. they want to maintain control at the top and have a very strong central control that calls all the shots.


So you're saying the Democrats are Ender and the GOP is Bonzo Madrid?

It all makes sense now.

/Nate Silver is Bean
 
2012-11-09 01:07:05 PM  
Article is exactly correct. I'm cool now that the election is over. Good jerb, you guys. If I'm still alive, I'll grouch atcha come 2016. Till then, kudos and congratulations. You deserve it. I hope that things get better for everyone. We'll see.
 
2012-11-09 01:07:23 PM  

cptjeff: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: That being said, the biggest complaint we got was that people were hit multiple times by multiple different organizations with whom we had no contact (i.e. the Unions and the PACs). Unfortunately, there was no way we could have avoided that.

As somebody who did some work for a union backed PAC, we got complaints about you too. Just sayin'.


the key point here is that NOBODY was saying they got hit up by the Obama campaign, the unions AND the Republicans.
 
2012-11-09 01:14:22 PM  

halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]


Ah, the party of personal responsibility takes some well needed time for introspection to understand how they lost so much by such a wide margin this year. Good for you, champ.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:28 PM  

Weaver95: we haven't heard from you in a couple days. i'm glad you're ok. I was a bit worried that Obama getting re-elected was going to force you to hurt yourself.


I been here, I didn't hear from you for months after the Occumopes imploded. How are you?

Anyhow, good luck dealing with impending State pension defaults. Barry owes some public employee unions big, which state do you think will go broke first?

you got an app for that on the iPatronage computer, libs?
 
2012-11-09 01:19:25 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.


To make an analogy with NBA teams:

Team Obama = San Antonio Spurs
Team Romney = New York Knicks

'nuff said.
 
2012-11-09 01:20:28 PM  

halfof33:
I been here, I didn't hear from you for months after the Occumopes imploded. How are you?


oh I've been working on the Obama campaign. you might have heard about it...

Anyhow, good luck dealing with impending State pension defaults. Barry owes some public employee unions big, which state do you think will go broke first?

you got an app for that on the iPatronage computer, libs?


I was wondering how you were going to deal with the massive rejection of the GOP agenda...any ideas on where you think you'll be going next?
 
2012-11-09 01:20:54 PM  

aug3: qorkfiend: Weaver95: I was 'data captain' for cumberland county democrats during the Obama campaign and I got an up close and personal look at votebuilder (which is their database/application suite). as a professional systems analyst, lemme tell ya - this thing is well designed. literally anyone can use it - it's UI is slick, it's well thought out, it's lightweight so it'll work on any computer out there (via any browser connection). I could pull up lists of local democrats, sort out the ones we'd contacted and who said they'd help and within 5 min I had a list printing out of people to call and schedule for election day. I ended up teaching people to use it, and no matter the skill level of the end user, they ALL could do basic entry tasks and basic database functions with minimal training and a bit of practice.

the tech backing the Democrats these days had some very big brains behind it's design.

It's funny because the GOP demonizes and actively tries to purge their party of the people who can create systems like this, then scratch their heads in amazement when their technical abilities are adversely affected.

There will be some fun news coming soon about the complete and utter failure of Project ORCA.

is that the one where they tried to release Rush back into the Ocean?


No, that was Operation Rushbo Drop.
 
2012-11-09 01:22:08 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: we haven't heard from you in a couple days. i'm glad you're ok. I was a bit worried that Obama getting re-elected was going to force you to hurt yourself.

I been here, I didn't hear from you for months after the Occumopes imploded. How are you?

Anyhow, good luck dealing with impending State pension defaults. Barry owes some public employee unions big, which state do you think will go broke first?

you got an app for that on the iPatronage computer, libs?


You ready for all those free slaves to start raping your white women?! What's next, let them marry a white woman!? Well I hope you're happy when this place turns into Africa 2 Electric Boogaloo!!!
But seriously, cry more.
 
2012-11-09 01:23:14 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]

we haven't heard from you in a couple days. i'm glad you're ok. I was a bit worried that Obama getting re-elected was going to force you to hurt yourself.


Would it had mattered?
 
2012-11-09 01:25:21 PM  

halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]


Despite all the let-downs of the first term, the amount of BS thrown by the right-wing over the election cycle, combined with the poutrage, has made '12 feel almost as good, if not better than '08.

Thank you FoxNews for that. You kept them in denial and as a result they're imploding. And it's beautiful.
 
2012-11-09 01:26:37 PM  

MSFT: You ready for all those free slaves to start raping your white women?! What's next, let them marry a white woman!? Well I hope you're happy when this place turns into Africa 2 Electric Boogaloo!!!
But seriously, cry more.


LOLZ. Drink moar, sport shirt.

Weaver95: I was wondering how you were going to deal with the massive rejection of the GOP agenda...any ideas on where you think you'll be going next?


Looks around... wait, is this the thread where we pretend that the Libs won the House?

Oh, I get it, the libs.... they won the house!

It is opposite day!

Hee hee!

/i noticed you dodged the question, Weavs, the answer is that Illinois is going to be the first state to go broke.
 
2012-11-09 01:28:41 PM  

Weaver95: logistics, logistics, logistics. that's what worked for us in Pennsylvania.


"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."
 
2012-11-09 01:29:25 PM  

YouAreItNoTagBacks: halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]

Despite all the let-downs of the first term, the amount of BS thrown by the right-wing over the election cycle, combined with the poutrage, has made '12 feel almost as good, if not better than '08.

Thank you FoxNews for that. You kept them in denial and as a result they're imploding. And it's beautiful.


Easy for you to say - you don't seem to care that Obama spent the last four years taking away all of our guns, our civil liberties, and lost two wars. And the next 1000 years of darkness is going to make us remember that fondly!!!!!11
 
2012-11-09 01:29:58 PM  

Weaver95: i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none.


There's rumors about in these threads that they had an application suite, but they didn't bother to test it beforehand, so it crashed and burned immediately and never recovered.

limbaugh, Nate silver

I'm quite curious about what any GOP pundits have to say about him at this point. He absolutely nailed it this time.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:02 PM  
So because Obama won, state pension issues are a worse problem than they would have been if Romney had won

Makes sense.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:43 PM  

halfof33:
Weaver95: I was wondering how you were going to deal with the massive rejection of the GOP agenda...any ideas on where you think you'll be going next?

Looks around... wait, is this the thread where we pretend that the Libs won the House?

Oh, I get it, the libs.... they won the house!

It is opposite day!

Hee hee!

/i noticed you dodged the question, Weavs, the answer is that Illinois is going to be the first state to go broke.


so the GOP lost the white house, lost the fight against gay marriage, lost the fight against the legalization of marijuana...LOST several key US senate and house races, lost a number of key state races...but you're considering election night a GOP victory because the Republicans sill manage to maintain a thin majority in the House of Representatives?

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting.

you don't consider this to be a massive, coordinated and irrefutable rejection of the GOP agenda?
 
2012-11-09 01:32:39 PM  

halfof33: MSFT: You ready for all those free slaves to start raping your white women?! What's next, let them marry a white woman!? Well I hope you're happy when this place turns into Africa 2 Electric Boogaloo!!!
But seriously, cry more.

LOLZ. Drink moar, sport shirt.

Weaver95: I was wondering how you were going to deal with the massive rejection of the GOP agenda...any ideas on where you think you'll be going next?

Looks around... wait, is this the thread where we pretend that the Libs won the House?

Oh, I get it, the libs.... they won the house!

It is opposite day!

Hee hee!

/i noticed you dodged the question, Weavs, the answer is that Illinois is going to be the first state to go broke.


When you say house are you referring to the White House? Was it part of your plan to lose that particular house? Because, honestly, you should have tried to win the White House.
As for broke states, why is it that the red states take in more federal money than they pay in while the blue states are the opposite? Is that another case where the math is just too much for you?
 
2012-11-09 01:33:47 PM  

Weaver95: cptjeff: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: That being said, the biggest complaint we got was that people were hit multiple times by multiple different organizations with whom we had no contact (i.e. the Unions and the PACs). Unfortunately, there was no way we could have avoided that.

As somebody who did some work for a union backed PAC, we got complaints about you too. Just sayin'.

the key point here is that NOBODY was saying they got hit up by the Obama campaign, the unions AND the Republicans.


That actually surprised me- it wasn't all getting out the vote, until the last weekend or so, we (and Obama's people) were hitting undecideds. Despite the fact that these people were generally convincable, there was nobody from the Romney campaign anywhere- even in purple swing counties like Loudon. And that speaks to the difference in tech- not only was the democratic side much better organized, the the analysis was much better as well. They knew not just who you were likely to support, but they could also use data mining to predict how likely you were to be convinced, and how you would react to somebody knocking at your door. That allows campaigns to rely on volunteers to not just get out the vote, but to actually try and flip votes, which is something that campaigns have never trusted to volunteers before, since their control on the message isn't nearly as tight. Romney, and Republican groups in general, didn't seem to have that capability.
 
2012-11-09 01:35:27 PM  

Weaver95: Republicans sill manage to maintain a thin majority in the House of Representatives


"Thin" majority? Is that how the freaking spin is going to go? LOLZ!

BSABSVR: So because Obama won, state pension issues are a worse problem than they would have been if Romney had won

Makes sense.


Yes because the democrats are in the farking to bag to public employee unions, and therefore won't make the hard decisions that need to be made by increasing employee contributions and decreasing benefits.

Jesus son.... I haven't got the time to educate you sheep. do some homework.
 
2012-11-09 01:36:06 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33:
Weaver95: I was wondering how you were going to deal with the massive rejection of the GOP agenda...any ideas on where you think you'll be going next?

Looks around... wait, is this the thread where we pretend that the Libs won the House?

Oh, I get it, the libs.... they won the house!

It is opposite day!

Hee hee!

/i noticed you dodged the question, Weavs, the answer is that Illinois is going to be the first state to go broke.

so the GOP lost the white house, lost the fight against gay marriage, lost the fight against the legalization of marijuana...LOST several key US senate and house races, lost a number of key state races...but you're considering election night a GOP victory because the Republicans sill manage to maintain a thin majority in the House of Representatives?

innnnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting.

you don't consider this to be a massive, coordinated and irrefutable rejection of the GOP agenda?


Interesting trivia: If the House map was the same as it was in 2010, Democrats would have a majority right now. More people voted for democratic members of congress than republican ones.

Redistricting. It works.
 
2012-11-09 01:37:26 PM  

tomcatadam:
I'm quite curious about what any GOP pundits have to say about him at this point. He absolutely nailed it this time.


Kind of hard to embrace the sciences when your party platform is firmly anti-intellectual and you consider college education to be "elitism".
Pray harder, I guess?
 
2012-11-09 01:37:38 PM  

MSFT: YouAreItNoTagBacks: halfof33: Gee, in the real world, we call that a "Machine."

And Barry is a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine.

Gee, the Democrats have huge patronage armies in urban centers?

Off to the Atlantic to write about it!

[bobmccarty.com image 400x337]

Despite all the let-downs of the first term, the amount of BS thrown by the right-wing over the election cycle, combined with the poutrage, has made '12 feel almost as good, if not better than '08.

Thank you FoxNews for that. You kept them in denial and as a result they're imploding. And it's beautiful.

Easy for you to say - you don't seem to care that Obama spent the last four years taking away all of our guns, our civil liberties, and lost two wars. And the next 1000 years of darkness is going to make us remember that fondly!!!!!11


I wonder what they'll say in 2016 when none of that shiat has happened?
 
2012-11-09 01:38:20 PM  

cptjeff: More people voted for democratic members of congress than republican ones.


Rather, more people voted for Democrats in House election than voted for Republicans. The prior statement may indeed be true, and going off mathematical probability given the corrected statement, probably is, but I couldn't say that for sure.
 
2012-11-09 01:40:06 PM  

YouAreItNoTagBacks:
I wonder what they'll say in 2016 when none of that shiat has happened?


Same crazy crap that halfof33 is spouting now in this thread: denial, denial, denial.
Apparently people like him have a problem with God's Will in these elections. Must not be a good Christian; hell, he's probably a pagan.
 
2012-11-09 01:41:52 PM  

halfof33:
Jesus son.... I haven't got the time to educate you sheep. do some homework.


Sounds like you studied it out over the past few days at Glenn Beck University. Are you working on your masters now?
Idea: Write your masters thesis on oligary.
 
2012-11-09 01:42:46 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Republicans were mocking Barack Obama for being a community organizer yet they worshiped Palin? If republican cognitive dissonance and projection could be an alternate fuel, we'd have perfectly clean air and warp capable ships by now.

i'm still floored that the GOP apparently had zero logistical abilities. none. Team Obama was tightly run and we knew what we were doing, how we were going to get there and come election day, damn if it didn't play out exactly as engineered.


I think at a certain point they started drinking their own kool-aid, and forget that patting the masses on the back for valuing ignorance and stubbornness over education was supposed to keep those people easy to manipulate. Stupidity and making up your own reality doesn't interface well with, well, reality. Their base must have looked so comfortable in the little talk-radio hamster bubble they created for them they decided that their message wasn't actually a recipe for personal failure.
 
2012-11-09 01:58:43 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Hitler was a good organizer too and that turned out well


Ummm, I can't believe I'm dignifying your comment with a correction, but the fact is that, no, Hitler was not a good organizer. He was a backroom knife-fighter is what he was, but he never ran a successful electoral campaign.
 
2012-11-09 01:59:09 PM  

cptjeff: cptjeff: More people voted for democratic members of congress than republican ones.

Rather, more people voted for Democrats in House election than voted for Republicans. The prior statement may indeed be true, and going off mathematical probability given the corrected statement, probably is, but I couldn't say that for sure.


I'd like to see some confirmation for that. I know a few grumpy right-wingers who could use that extra bit of humiliation.
 
2012-11-09 02:03:54 PM  

udhq: Smeggy Smurf: Hitler was a good organizer too and that turned out well

Ummm, I can't believe I'm dignifying your comment with a correction, but the fact is that, no, Hitler was not a good organizer. He was a backroom knife-fighter is what he was, but he never ran a successful electoral campaign.


You don't seem to understand: Republicans actually consider a bunch of brownshirts terrorizing the populace to be "community organization".
Now apologize to the brownshirt for hurting his/her feelings.
 
2012-11-09 02:06:00 PM  

anfrind: cptjeff: cptjeff: More people voted for democratic members of congress than republican ones.

Rather, more people voted for Democrats in House election than voted for Republicans. The prior statement may indeed be true, and going off mathematical probability given the corrected statement, probably is, but I couldn't say that for sure.

I'd like to see some confirmation for that. I know a few grumpy right-wingers who could use that extra bit of humiliation.


Got it off TV news, so can't help ya with a link.
 
2012-11-09 02:06:56 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: Republicans sill manage to maintain a thin majority in the House of Representatives

"Thin" majority? Is that how the freaking spin is going to go? LOLZ!

BSABSVR: So because Obama won, state pension issues are a worse problem than they would have been if Romney had won

Makes sense.

Yes because the democrats are in the farking to bag to public employee unions, and therefore won't make the hard decisions that need to be made by increasing employee contributions and decreasing benefits.

Jesus son.... I haven't got the time to educate you sheep. do some homework.



Ah, so the new talking points are to keep on doing what you are doing and blame the unions more. Lets pretend all the unions combined have more resources than the koch bros.
 
2012-11-09 02:11:50 PM  
I think the real story of this campaign is how Citizens United seems to have backfired on the republicans. They raised over $2 billion, put most if it into media, and it just seemed to make people disengage. The ground game beat the air game.

The right is going to have to come up with some kind of an answer for the grass roots, or they are going to be electorally dead in the water going forward. Traditionally, they have struggled with finding a way of doing this that doesn't turn off independents (think the ugly, racist element of the Tea Party), but the fact is they can't win without getting boots on the ground one way or another.
 
2012-11-09 02:13:41 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: Republicans sill manage to maintain a thin majority in the House of Representatives

"Thin" majority? Is that how the freaking spin is going to go? LOLZ!

BSABSVR: So because Obama won, state pension issues are a worse problem than they would have been if Romney had won

Makes sense.

Yes because the democrats are in the farking to bag to public employee unions, and therefore won't make the hard decisions that need to be made by increasing employee contributions and decreasing benefits.

Jesus son.... I haven't got the time to educate you sheep. do some homework.


And how would a Romney administration have any sway over state pension funds? That is, without insuring them when they lose money? I'm interested in your response because I'm completely sure that you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about here.

But you probably read an article about this once. Reason posts all kinds of technically correct articles on pensions, as does TAC, so in a hazy half-remembered way, I'm sure you thought it was quite the zinger.
 
2012-11-09 02:14:05 PM  

cptjeff: As somebody who did some work for a union backed PAC, we got complaints about you too. Just sayin'.


Hell, we got complaints about us too. It's hard to explain to the average person that, yes, we know that you've been talked to already, but no it wasn't us and no there's nothing we can do about it.

I got phone calls from both Move On AND the Obama campaign while I was hustling people out the door.

/"Hi, I'm Steve calling from the Obama campaign..."
"Hi, Steve, Imma gonna stop you right there because you've reached an Obama GOTV site and I'm about to send 5 people out to knock on doors..."
"Well, we're down to the wire here and we're really..."
"Steve, my man, put down the script and listen: you're holding up people in PA from getting the President re-elected."
"Have you committed to vote for the Presi-"
"STEVE! This is a PA OFA canvassing site. I'm a full supporter, but I have to go get people out on doors right NOW."
"..."
"..."
"Good luck."
"You too Steve."
 
2012-11-09 02:15:54 PM  

coyo: Lets pretend all the unions combined have more resources than the koch bros.


Of course they do, don't be a freaking moran.

What is going to happen is that they are going to stop nominating drooling anti-abortion zealots, make overtures to the hispanic communities, scream about the deficit and unfunded pension liability and wait til Obama's Illinois goes tits up before the next election.
 
2012-11-09 02:16:28 PM  
On the voter protection end of things, the campaign had a smart phone friendly system for incident reporting so that they could see in as close to real time as possible if a systematic problem was developing somewhere in the country. Let's just say that there are lots of reasons why Florida could have been a heck of a lot more of a clusterfark than it actually was if the campaign hadn't been really on top of issues.

And, because the Obama campaign apparently respects competence a lot more than Romney's camp did, the people recruited to do poll watching weren't just random party loyalists. I spent the last two months working to recruit lawyers in Florida to man the poll watching operation. Poll watching is the mostly thankless, (hopefully) boring grunt work of the voter protection efforts on a campaign but we got highly paid attorneys to take the day off, even though that's thousands of dollars worth of billable hours, to sit at a precinct and observe.
 
2012-11-09 02:17:44 PM  

BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Comfort Captain

Giggety.


I know. We giggled about it too. Lacking a better term, it was the person who made sure that the volunteers were all fed, hydrated, comfortable, etc. Also, should there be a need, we were to make sure people standing in line to vote at the end of the night were similarly fed, hydrated, comfortable, etc.
 
2012-11-09 02:20:04 PM  

udhq: I think the real story of this campaign is how Citizens United seems to have backfired on the republicans. They raised over $2 billion, put most if it into media, and it just seemed to make people disengage. The ground game beat the air game.

The right is going to have to come up with some kind of an answer for the grass roots, or they are going to be electorally dead in the water going forward. Traditionally, they have struggled with finding a way of doing this that doesn't turn off independents (think the ugly, racist element of the Tea Party), but the fact is they can't win without getting boots on the ground one way or another.


I think we finally discovered the saturation point of political ads. Hell, I saw a crossroads GPS ad when I was looking for an online scrabble dictionary.

I really don't give a Fark about Obama at the moment, I just want to memorize all the three letter words with a k in them.

At some point you overload people and I think that happened this year. Even the most rabid partisans and political junkies were sick of the election this year.
 
2012-11-09 02:21:41 PM  

BSABSVR: And how would a Romney administration have any sway over state pension funds? That is, without insuring them when they lose money? I'm interested in your response because I'm completely sure that you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about here.


FACE PALM!

It is not that Romney has sway over state pension funds.

THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE STATE PENSION SYSTEMS HAVE SWAY OVER OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
 
2012-11-09 02:29:06 PM  

halfof33: coyo: Lets pretend all the unions combined have more resources than the koch bros.

Of course they do, don't be a freaking moran.

What is going to happen is that they are going to stop nominating drooling anti-abortion zealots, make overtures to the hispanic communities, scream about the deficit and unfunded pension liability and wait til Obama's Illinois goes tits up before the next election.


How do you explain all of those red states taking more federal money than they pay?
 
2012-11-09 02:35:26 PM  

halfof33: coyo: Lets pretend all the unions combined have more resources than the koch bros.

Of course they do, don't be a freaking moran.

What is going to happen is that they are going to stop nominating drooling anti-abortion zealots, make overtures to the hispanic communities, scream about the deficit and unfunded pension liability and wait til Obama's Illinois goes tits up before the next election.


I think you serve my purposes better in your current capacity. please, continue!
 
2012-11-09 02:44:06 PM  

Weaver95: I think you serve my purposes better in your current capacity. please, continue!


Oh, you are teh evil wizrad!

Do you want me to say "Unfunded public employee pensions" again, oh please Brer Fox, don't make me do it again!
 
2012-11-09 02:48:04 PM  

halfof33: Weaver95: I think you serve my purposes better in your current capacity. please, continue!

Oh, you are teh evil wizrad!

Do you want me to say "Unfunded public employee pensions" again, oh please Brer Fox, don't make me do it again!


technically, I supposed I'd be classified as a undead bloodline sorcerer but I suspect you're more of a 4th edition player than pathfinder.
 
2012-11-09 04:44:45 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: SouthParkCon:
Yea, I didn't pick up that Weaver had gone over to the Left. That is a change.

Weaver adopted the Klingon proverb with respects to the GOP: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, prepare to die."


I geeked out and looked it up:
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, ghuH Daq Hegh!" (prepare against death)
 
2012-11-09 04:52:52 PM  

SouthParkCon: I don't want to go to off-topic but I've recently been slammed and ridiculed for saying "Progressive"


Don't use the word "progressive" as a pejorative term and you won't be ridiculed.
 
2012-11-09 05:46:35 PM  

Zerochance: homelessdude: there is at least a couple of stories each day as to the ineptitude of the Romney campaign in general.

One of my favorites so far

Link


that was one of the most enjoyable articles i've read post election. well written and it explains basic problems with romney and his campaign.
 
2012-11-09 06:32:51 PM  

Zerochance: homelessdude: there is at least a couple of stories each day as to the ineptitude of the Romney campaign in general.

One of my favorites so far

Link


FThatFA: "For starters, this was billed as an 'app' when it was actually a mobile-optimized website (or 'web app'). For days I saw people on Twitter saying they couldn't find the app on the Android Market or iTunes and couldn't download it. Well, that's because it didn't exist. It was a website."

As someone who works in web development part of every year, I encounter plenty of clients who don't know the proper term for something and refer to it with a different term they've heard before but don't actually understand--and then blame me for not immediately knowing what they meant. (See also: The "My staff sent me an internet last Friday, and I only got it yesterday" part of the infamous "series of tubes" speech.) It's not so much that they don't know the proper terminology--after all, they hired my company to handle that stuff for them--it's that they're convinced that they do know what they're talking about, so I must be the problem. I'm much happier working for people who describe what they want rather than the ones who use a few buzzwords and expect me to know exactly how they're (incorrectly) using them. And yes, when we've created mobile-optimized versions of clients' sites, several clients refer to them as the "app" we built. *sigh*

/Sorry for the rant, but that bit struck a nerve. Such stupidity is not confined to any political party.
 
2012-11-10 12:49:25 AM  

udhq: I think the real story of this campaign is how Citizens United seems to have backfired on the republicans. They raised over $2 billion, put most if it into media, and it just seemed to make people disengage. The ground game beat the air game.

The right is going to have to come up with some kind of an answer for the grass roots, or they are going to be electorally dead in the water going forward. Traditionally, they have struggled with finding a way of doing this that doesn't turn off independents (think the ugly, racist element of the Tea Party), but the fact is they can't win without getting boots on the ground one way or another.


Very interesting metaphor. Bombing a population often just angers them and gives them resolve. Overrunning their position on the ground takes the territory.

Which one is more like Obama and which one is more like Romney.

To your other point: The Tea Party's message is just simply not that likable: White People Are Better, you are a tax leech but I am a tax patriot, those brown and black people are the enemy because they don't work hard like I do, on and on and on. Then all the corollary noise: Death Panels, Whar Birth Certificate Whar, denounce the gays, denounce women, accuse women of faking rape, demand women have a baby if they are raped...

When does the insanity with these people end?
 
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