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(Time)   "Children should still learn how to write in cursive"   (ideas.time.com) divider line 396
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2012-11-08 11:20:50 PM  
cursive may be fairly useless but some shiat needs to be memorized. Before you can do all that great critical thinking stuff you need a base of facts to start from.
 
2012-11-08 11:21:19 PM  
Sure. And they should do it only with quill pens while wearing white powdered wigs as well.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:29 PM  
yeah, words like Hell and Damn and F...
 
2012-11-08 11:28:37 PM  
Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application

/learn to frikkin PRINT legibly
//it's going to be a while longer before Bill's paperless world comes to fruition
 
2012-11-08 11:31:50 PM  

Voiceofreason01: cursive may be fairly useless but some shiat needs to be memorized. Before you can do all that great critical thinking stuff you need a base of facts to start from.


I kind of disagree. Facts alone are worthless, at least they were for me - kids need to be taught critical thinking, to challenge each and every idea brought before them. To question why and wonder how. That's the only thing that ever got me to learn anything.

Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless. Pretending like kids don't have a smart phone in their pockets is worthless. Teach them how to think, teach them how to look for the answers, show them how to poke and prod and you just might have something.
 
2012-11-08 11:45:18 PM  

vartian: Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless


How about 'forcing them' to learn addition and multiplication. Those aps are on their smart phones too.
Also in that "poking and prodding' you speak of, they'll come across cursive texts in books and manuscripts. Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.
 
2012-11-08 11:48:42 PM  

optikeye: vartian: Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless

How about 'forcing them' to learn addition and multiplication. Those aps are on their smart phones too.
Also in that "poking and prodding' you speak of, they'll come across cursive texts in books and manuscripts. Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.


It's also nice to have something to fall back on when all that technology takes a sh*t

/like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.
 
2012-11-08 11:49:24 PM  

optikeye: Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.


Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.
 
2012-11-08 11:51:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's also nice to have something to fall back on when all that technology takes a sh*t


The Flintstones age actually came after the Jetson's.

They were a "modern" stone age family.

After the sprocket/cog corporate wars. The earth was left in ruins. No more flying cars, no more high rise apartments.

All Digital Media was lost..music, books, education texts. What remained was hard copy print films, books and LPs. Forgotten in the vaults of ground based libraries.

Using that media which did not require specialized players the ground dwellers rebuilt a society based on the 50's and 60's decades of America. LP/Film Movies/and hard copy books were the template to imitate cultures and styles.

Appliances were simulated using escaped bio engineered animals---and trained to preform specific tasks.


This is how that started: "I got a Kindle"
 
2012-11-08 11:54:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.


Okay, but no one have ever needed cursive during a hurricane and if zombies are looking to eat me, penmanship is the last of my worries :)
 
2012-11-08 11:55:21 PM  

vartian: Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


So, would you say the same for basic addition, and subtraction? Heck, even 'reading' is outdated by that logic with movies, TV, and audiobooks.
 
2012-11-08 11:58:15 PM  

vartian: penmanship is the last of my worries :)


Unless you read some hand crafted notes in a cookbook, medical book, or other books that relay knowledge.
 
2012-11-09 12:00:31 AM  

optikeye: vartian: Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.

So, would you say the same for basic addition, and subtraction? Heck, even 'reading' is outdated by that logic with movies, TV, and audiobooks.


No, math is useful. Math is real. Worrying about if my r's connect with my t's is not.
 
2012-11-09 12:05:28 AM  
I can't wait until I can use it to send secret messages to my fellow oldsters.
 
2012-11-09 12:08:05 AM  

vartian: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.

Okay, but no one have ever needed cursive during a hurricane and if zombies are looking to eat me, penmanship is the last of my worries :)


It would sure as hell matter if you needed to jot down a sure-fire technique for disposing of zombies in a hurry

/cursive is a lot easier than printing, actually
 
2012-11-09 12:10:27 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application


FWIW I have used it within the last couple of years. For some retarded reason, you have to write a paragraph in cursive before you take the GRE.
 
2012-11-09 12:24:32 AM  
The only argument I have for keeping cursive in the schools is:

So they can read the founding documents of our country.

Sure, sure, the text is available in every format from ASCII to Klingon, but there is something to be said for being able to stand in the National Archives, looking down at the DoI or the Constitution and being able to READ THE FARKING THING.
 
2012-11-09 12:26:36 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cursive is a lot easier than printing, actually


I know what you mean, except for my freaky cousin.

He can hand write legible printing at about 20x the speed of any cursive writer I've ever seen. I mean, it's PERFECT printing.

And here's the weird part: It's Arial/Halvetcia. I mean, the 'a' looks exactly like the arial/halvetica 'a', as do all the other letters. At 20x the speed of anyone I've ever seen. If he were a doc, he could write prescriptions that blind people could read.
 
2012-11-09 12:31:32 AM  

GAT_00: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application

FWIW I have used it within the last couple of years. For some retarded reason, you have to write a paragraph in cursive before you take the GRE.


Oh, sure... always got to be different, you do ;)

/frustrated by trying to decipher too many illegible job aplications
 
2012-11-09 01:18:59 AM  
Simpsons did it.
 
2012-11-09 01:31:53 AM  
I signed a credit card receipt about an hour ago.

Next time I'm going to just put my "mark".


X
 
2012-11-09 03:25:33 AM  

vartian: optikeye: Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.

Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


In a few years it will become like a secret language, only known by old smelly farts in nursing homes.
 
2012-11-09 03:35:07 AM  
Yeah - and they should learn Grafitti Link too.

(Graffiti was awesome - dunno why it didn't catch on)

The only reason to know cursive is to read old manuscripts and sign your name.

it's rare that I write anything down on paper, but when I do, I always print it. My signature looks like something a 3 year old would scrawl with a crayon.

When faced with a small touch screen to sign my name in some place like a grocery store I often don't even try. I just move the pen in a few circles and call it good. Based upon most of my receipts you could probably make out the first initial of my first name, but absolutely nothing else.

Basic math - and even advanced math however should be taught. Yes, there's almost always going to be a computer of some sort handy to do it for you (even if the computer is just your phone) but you should be able to do that in your head. For basic math problems, it takes longer to punch the numbers into a smart-phone app than it does to do it in your head. Okay, maybe not your head, but in my head at least.
 
2012-11-09 03:59:38 AM  
Every child needs to learn how to shoe a horse and keep a coal stove warm, too, right?

Time to let' go of the 20th century, people.
 
2012-11-09 07:20:44 AM  

bronyaur1: Every child needs to learn how to shoe a horse and keep a coal stove warm, too, right?

Time to let' go of the 20th century, people.


I'm going to start filling out all my paperwork in hieroglyphics, runes and drawings of smoke signals.
 
2012-11-09 07:46:34 AM  

vartian


Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


Wow, you must have been in the extra-slow extra-special 'tarded class.
 
2012-11-09 07:47:32 AM  
Handwriting in general should have adult refresher courses.. I had to write something the other day and felt like I was in a real life WayBackMachine... I'm so used to typing by reflex I lost almost all of my natural writing reflexes... And holy fark.. Actually having to know how to spell shiat correctly the first time.. That sucked.
 
2012-11-09 07:47:49 AM  
I'm 24 and people always remark as to how nice my handwriting is. It's in cursive. So there will at least be one of us who can understand you old people and your secret communication.

/and your delicious hand written recipes and notes tucked in cookbooks.
 
2012-11-09 07:48:41 AM  

optikeye: vartian: penmanship is the last of my worries :)

Unless you read some hand crafted notes in a cookbook, medical book, or other books that relay knowledge.


Yeah right. That's a whole other form of writing.
 
2012-11-09 07:48:50 AM  
"Cursive is going to be the most important way of writing when you grow up so if you don't know it no one will hire you!"

What a crock of shiat. Cursive is for signatures and pieces of paper that need to be deciphered by pharmacists. That's pretty much it.
 
2012-11-09 07:49:38 AM  
They'll get plenty of development of their fine motor skills on their Gameboys. Let it go.
 
2012-11-09 07:50:57 AM  
I just tried practicing cursive after not really using it in many years. It looks like I just had a stroke.

/fortysomething
//closer to 50 than 40
 
2012-11-09 07:52:10 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: vartian

Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


Wow, you must have been in the extra-slow extra-special 'tarded class.


Seriously... I learned cursive in 2nd grade (1994-95). And you know what? I still use it extensively. Whether it's writing poetry, jotting notes to myself or others, or just writing for the sake of writing, I adore cursive. It flows so well, and my penmanship is impeccable. It's even been called...girly.

But I care not, for my penmanship is a source of pride for me.
 
2012-11-09 07:53:10 AM  
Good cursive makes a great impression nowadays. Want to blow someone's mind and make sure they remember you? Send your cover letter in beautiful, hand-written script.

Despite the current trend, presentation *is* important. I tell my kids, if your presentation isn't good, people will assume you're an idiot. Present well, and your intelligence shines. Don't bury it in muck.
 
2012-11-09 07:53:54 AM  

Pichu0102: What a crock of shiat. Cursive is for signatures and pieces of paper that need to be deciphered by pharmacists. That's pretty much it.


Actually having worked as a pharmacy tech most scripts I've seen are in print. Doctors do use latin abbreviations though and a variation on roman numerals.
 
2012-11-09 07:54:31 AM  
Where are all these hand-written books of knowledge everyone is going on about? Especially medical manuscripts- if they are hand written they are probably hilariously outdated!

Also, maybe I don't understand, how hard is it to read cursive if you've never been forced to write it?
 
2012-11-09 07:54:50 AM  
I can barely remember the last time I used cursive to write anything beyond my signature. Good thing too, because even I can't read my cursive writing.
 
2012-11-09 07:54:50 AM  
If you aren't required to write stuff out, you will never learn it properly. That's why spelling is so terrible these days ("my spell check will fix it for me!"). My nephews are a prime example of this- the 16 year old can't spell, type, or recognize what a handwritten note says. This isn't just in our culture, either. When I lived in Japan a few years back, I remember a friend of mine saying that forgets how to write kanji because she only uses word processors anymore instead of writing them. Then her boyfriend told her that she had used the wrong one in a note she had typed. Schools here still teach cursive, thank goodness. There's no reason n
 
2012-11-09 07:55:09 AM  
fark that shiat
 
2012-11-09 07:55:11 AM  
But wouldn't the fark filter change it anyway?

Seriously though, the people who are all up in arms about cursive writing. What the fark do you sign your farking name with, an 'X'? It would explain a whole hell of a lot of the people around here I guess.
 
2012-11-09 07:55:40 AM  
FTFA which no one bothered to read, apparently:

Handwriting. Research shows that forming letters by hand, as opposed to typing them into a computer, not only helps young children develop their fine motor skills but also improves their ability to recognize letters - a capacity that, in turn, predicts reading ability at age five.
 
2012-11-09 07:55:44 AM  

ManateeGag: yeah, words like Hell and Damn and F...


bartsblackboard.com
 
2012-11-09 07:56:45 AM  
There is a huge difference between arithmetic and cursive.

Arithmetic is all around us, in everything we do. You need to understand arithmetic to know whether or not your calculator, cashier, etc. gave you a reasonable answer. If civilization crashed, arithmetic skills would help us rebuild society.

You do not need to understand cursive to know whether or not a print word is spelled correctly. You will rarely ever see a cursive word. And no, most signatures aren't cursive - they are just scrawls. If civilization crashed, cursive would still be useless; we could still print just fine.
 
2012-11-09 07:57:00 AM  
Oops, got cut off there...there's no reason not to teach the basics other than trying to cram too much stuff in. But they don't seem to learn it as well without those basics to build on.
 
2012-11-09 07:58:53 AM  
I'm not sure why TFA lumped cursive in with things like memorizing math facts and word roots. Basic math can be used pretty regularly in daily life and having the basics memorized helps build a foundation for higher math later on. Word roots can come in handy for kids if they come across a word they may not know, but they know a certain part of it means something specific. Of course they also need to be taught critical thinking skills to be able to do that along with looking at the sentence the word is in for context as well. Cursive at this point is just retarded. People end up developing their own style of cursive that can be difficult to read. Stick to block letters and penmanship with those.
 
2012-11-09 07:59:41 AM  
So in other words, the boring facts that everyone hated to memorize actually did have useful implications, and so when we ditched them in the name of making learning FUN! we would up with kids who struggle much, much harder to gain the skills that depended on that fact base.

Imagine that.
 
2012-11-09 07:59:53 AM  
Cursive is outmoded, get over it and move on.
 
2012-11-09 08:00:00 AM  
Should children learn cursive?

Hmmmm...
hmmmm...

Yeah, it might be a good idea to raise them so when they open a physics or calc book they don't say "WTF is that italic squiggle mark?" and "how do I make one of those? That looks fancy."
 
2012-11-09 08:00:15 AM  
Let it go, just let it go.

Concentrate on math, balancing your budget and printing legibly.
 
2012-11-09 08:00:17 AM  

garandman1a: But wouldn't the fark filter change it anyway?

Seriously though, the people who are all up in arms about cursive writing. What the fark do you sign your farking name with, an 'X'? It would explain a whole hell of a lot of the people around here I guess.


My wife signs her name in print, and I sign my name in an illegible scrawl.

Unless it's an important document that is, in which case we use something far more secure: a digital signature.
 
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