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2012-11-09 03:48:13 AM  

jjorsett: Fart_Machine: jjorsett: Don't worry. We Californians are a forward-looking bunch.

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Arizona, really?

Well, if I made the sign say, "Welcome to Texas", all the lefties would be going, "Yaaa, yure so stooopid! Texas ain't next to California." Abstract concepts and artistic license are lost on them.


Well, Flagstaff is nice. But your overall point is pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-11-09 04:00:15 AM  

jjorsett: Don't worry. We Californians are a forward-looking bunch.

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You know that Arizona is a garbage dump with a shiatty economy and one of the three worst education systems in the country, right?

/Former Scottsdale resident
//The place is a wreck, much like Jan Brewer's policy initiatives.
 
2012-11-09 04:25:21 AM  

Smelly McUgly: jjorsett: Don't worry. We Californians are a forward-looking bunch.

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You know that Arizona is a garbage dump with a shiatty economy and one of the three worst education systems in the country, right?

/Former Scottsdale resident
//The place is a wreck, much like Jan Brewer's policy initiatives.


Arizona is going to go blue in less than a decade from now. If current demographic trends continue, Latinos are going to make up 29% of the voting electorate. Oh oh ho.
 
2012-11-09 05:28:05 AM  

dr_blasto: Nice to see fixing their stupid referendum process is on the list.


Dare I hope? I don't know - it's been a third rail for so long it's hard for me to imagine anybody having the balls to go after it. It could save California if they did, but i'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-11-09 05:33:41 AM  

Smelly McUgly: jjorsett: Don't worry. We Californians are a forward-looking bunch.

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You know that Arizona is a garbage dump with a shiatty economy and one of the three worst education systems in the country, right?

/Former Scottsdale resident
//The place is a wreck, much like Jan Brewer's policy initiatives.


Jan Brewer is an absolute Bachmann type disaster. I cant believe that crap she's been behind. Are the old farks in Sun City and Surprise really so influential that they can keep her and Joe in power? just amazing.

/lived in glendale 2 years.
 
2012-11-09 05:39:00 AM  
Id like to see the following happen to CA's politics:

Gun/kill/draw and quarter Prop 13 and do a progressive tax on real estate. FIX THE REAL ESTATE TAXES.

Pass a proposition which KILLS propositions. No more, ever ever. We elect govt officials to govern in our name. Let them do their jobs and quit f'in with the budgets and earmark this and that for this pet project because it was a prop. F THE PROPS. Unless youre Switzerland there's a reason why no one uses direct democracy any longer. KILL THE PROPS

And as much as im a lefty in most things, one of the few things the Right is, erm, right about in CA: the CA State pension schemes are seriously out of whack and in dire need of serious gutting and reform; collecting pensions greater than your salary because you cash out your vacation time last year on the job and as such get pensioned at your last year... these kinds of costs are not ok. REVAMP STATE PENSION SCHEMES
 
2012-11-09 05:41:51 AM  

ZAZ: It's also true that being a Democrat means you can screw up the state as much as you like. They don't fear being voted out in favor of Republicans.


That's why I hope to see the GOP get out of this derpy, extremist, Party-Uber-Alles phase and quickly. Democrats need a believable opposition.

/D, for now anyway
 
2012-11-09 05:53:01 AM  

GAT_00: So I'm guessing Subby would also say the new Republican supermajority here in TN is bad too, right? After all, they have enough power they can suspend the normal rules of order and do whatever the fark they want.


Which state will go bankrupt first?

/I know I responded a post without agreeing. I hope you don't go to the mods to ban me again.
 
2012-11-09 06:47:14 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: kmmontandon: No, we can still blame Prop. 13 and Grover Norquist.

This state has been continually f*cked by a pack of scared retirees in the '70s, and the assholes that pandered to them, because inflation would totally last forever, so we can never, ever adjust property taxes or reassess old properties.

Most of those retirees from the 70s are long dead. When a property is sold, it gets reassessed and taxed thereafter at current market value. About the only thing I can see left of Prop 13 is the cap on yearly increases (which is moot since property values have decreased lately), and the really stupid part about commercial property taxes

/what do you think we should change?


My understanding - (As a MD resident who only breifly looked into this a while back) Corporate/corporate rental property and a lot of high dollar personal property in California is often held by a company designed specifically to hold those properties. When the land changes hands, the corporation is sold, not the actual property. As such, the taxes aren't re-assessed as the same owner maintains ownership throughout.
 
2012-11-09 06:53:15 AM  
And we know what happened to both death stars.
 
2012-11-09 07:05:41 AM  

Cyberluddite: Prop 13, more than any other factor, is killing this state.


So the drunken sailor-esque out of control spending is in no way a factor??
 
2012-11-09 07:21:24 AM  
randomjsa

I'm going to go out on a cliff here

Please do.
 
2012-11-09 07:31:49 AM  

jso2897: dr_blasto: Nice to see fixing their stupid referendum process is on the list.

Dare I hope? I don't know - it's been a third rail for so long it's hard for me to imagine anybody having the balls to go after it. It could save California if they did, but i'm not holding my breath.


That has to be addressed at some point. The entire state government is completely hamstrung and unable to do anything to resolve their fiscal problems and as long as people can just do a prop-whatever to make shiat happen their way, there's absolutely no way to pay for any of it.
 
2012-11-09 07:36:46 AM  

Father_Jack: Gun/kill/draw and quarter Prop 13 and do a progressive tax on real estate. FIX THE REAL ESTATE TAXES.


That's an issue. My recollection is that the current bit only really affects people who are buying houses, but large and expensive commercial real estate is never sold so much as held by holding companies to allow corporations to have fancy office buildings with tax rates from the friggin 70's.

I don't know the details of the pension system there, but if CA has hired someone and in their contract they've obligated themselves to a pension plan of XX, then they need to honor that. I would say it is reasonable to start new hires out with a revamped system, but how would they get away with dishonoring their existing contracts?
 
2012-11-09 08:23:43 AM  

randomjsa: I'm going to go out on a cliff here and guess two things.

The first being the Democrats will not take responsibility for the mess they've made in that state.

The second being that they will not improve things, only make them worse.


>checks randomjsa's track record on predictions*phew*
 
2012-11-09 09:06:14 AM  

MorrisBird: themindiswatching: Speaking of supermajorities, why is it that Republicans want California to become a red state again? It's seriously their dream every election.

Because, all the leaves are brown, and the sky is gray.


brilliant
 
2012-11-09 09:08:39 AM  

GAT_00: So I'm guessing Subby would also say the new Republican supermajority here in TN is bad too, right? After all, they have enough power they can suspend the normal rules of order and do whatever the fark they want.


Don't know about subby, but I certainly would.
 
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2012-11-09 09:16:08 AM  
I would love to see what the republicans say after california becomes an economic powerhouse...
 
2012-11-09 10:10:44 AM  

dr_blasto: Nice to see fixing their stupid referendum process is on the list.


Hell yeah.
 
2012-11-09 10:18:31 AM  

Cyberluddite: California's income tax rate isn't the highest. It's actually the 10th highest, with an average rate of 5.8%, which is lower than even some red states such as Tennessee (6%) and North Carolina (6.92%), and much lower than its neighbor to the north, Oregon (8.56%).


I am not sure what you are refering to here, but Tennessee does not have an income tax, only sales tax.
 
2012-11-09 10:38:58 AM  

dinomyar: I am not sure what you are refering to here, but Tennessee does not have an income tax, only sales tax.


I was basing it off the table that I linked, and I don't personally know one way or the other. But according to this, TN has a flat 6% tax on all income, starting from the first dollar, but it looks like ordinary wages are exempt, so it applies mostly to investment income, capital gains, etc.
 
2012-11-09 12:27:13 PM  

TwistedFark: Also, I want to point out - Jerry Brown is the farking man.

Unlike most gutless politicians these days, he put his balls on the line for Prop 30 and got evil death threats from Republicans and almost no backing from his own party. People were saying that he was signing his own death sentance and that the state was ungovernable.

Well guess what? The state is governable, it just needs an actual governor.

Agree with him or not, the fact is you don't see that kind of political guts hardly at all anymore. Maybe now that he has a super majority in both houses he can undo a few decades of nonsense across both parties.


By raising taxes with absolutely no reform or spending cuts? How exactly has he changed ANYTHING except to get more money to pay for the stuff already in place? No pension reform. Nothing.

The CTA and Unions run the state. Former Senate Protem, Democrat (and former teacher) Don Peralta when asked about Prop 32 said that the CTA wields WAY too much power and that the state is basically enslaved. When even the Dems are worried about the power of Unions you would think there needs to be some reform. The CTA is by far the biggest $$ in the state FAR outspending big oil and other "evil" corporations. Nothing, NOTHING happens in Sacramento without the CTA's blessing. Even the farking LA Times is concerned about the power they wield.

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2012-11-09 12:34:52 PM  
Every loony lefty wet dream can now come true.

Expect new regulations on avg MPG for vehicles to the point that everyone will be riding a bicycle to work
And if that doesn't work expect carbon tax and other taxes to make fossil fuels so expensive that no one will be able to afford gas. In an effort to make everyone green the cost of energy will skyrocket. This, combined with the upcoming mega-inflation, will make consumer prices soar. Wonder who people will blame when gas in $8 a gallon and a loaf of bread costs $12
 
2012-11-09 09:45:19 PM  

badaboom: Every loony lefty wet dream can now come true.

Expect new regulations on avg MPG for vehicles to the point that everyone will be riding a bicycle to work


Hey, man, a new Focus is something like $16-17k and gets 40mpg without requiring tithing to China to get batteries.
 
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