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2012-11-09 03:25:07 PM  
My friend linked this to me last night. Severe disappointment was shared.

If Max Brooks signed off on or worked on this... he's committed a severe disservice to his fan-base at best, and a crime at worst.

Fast zombies... no. It's not supposed to be action packed, it's supposed to be dreadful slow suspense. The terror and psychologically taxing slowness of the inevitable demise of everything and everyone you know, love, and care about.
 
2012-11-09 03:56:24 PM  

Saberus Terras: My friend linked this to me last night. Severe disappointment was shared.

If Max Brooks signed off on or worked on this... he's committed a severe disservice to his fan-base at best, and a crime at worst.


I may be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works. I believe unless the author is asked to work on the movie, its more like, "Hi, we're from Paramount. Here's five million dollars for the film rights to your book. K? Thanx. Now shut up and GTFO, we have a screenplay to write."
 
2012-11-09 03:58:57 PM  

KatjaMouse: mccoma: Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.

Again, part of the argument in the book is also that generals who are accustomed to traditional warfare and traditional enemies may be slow on the uptake for this. How instead of taking advantage of the evacuated apartment and office buildings they are left to be on street level with the hoard. Not to mention panic being the other 'infection' in this book.


Yeah, and that part of the book's premise is just so much crud, particularly after explaining that the troops and vehicles were just back from the middle east. The fighting of zombies as portrayed in the book is an order of magnitude easier than the warfare in the middle east. Zombies don't build IEDs or shoot back. It would actually be a simple military problem.

AC-130 - there is no substitute
 
2012-11-09 04:02:07 PM  

Zombalupagus: THIS. Troopers was originally Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. Most of the production crew had never even heard of the book until mid-way into production and the director admits he's only ever read a couple chapters.

I don't know the story with WW:Z but Wikipedia says it was apparently adopted, the script was rewritten, then the third act was rewritten but never finished, then the entire script was rewritten again. So at best we're getting another Hollywood franken-script movie full of CGI.


I met director Paul Verhoeven in Las Vegas when he was filming ST. He was already in the dog house here because of Showgirls. Totally pretentious asshole.

Richard_The_Clown: They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.


The audiobook was great, but you want to hear the whole thing. And maybe add a few chapters too.

OtherLittleGuy: Yet, somehow, with another book, Hollywood got it right:


Director George Pal loved WotW. A director has no business directing something he doesn't love.

burndtdan: Ignoring that the movie has absolutely nothing in common with the book...

While zombies as swarming fire ants is... perhaps an interesting idea to explore, it has it's flaws in that I'm not sure human bodies, even crazy zombie human bodies, could generate that much speed and momentum to crash like a tidal wave.

Also, zombies that turn almost instantly after infection (as shown in prior released footage) wouldn't be a worldwide problem. They could easily overwhelm a landmass, but then what? In the book people would turn after the infection killed them slowly, often not even showing symptoms right away, which allowed for infected to board planes and boats. But that couldn't happen with these.

In the book, the zombies could survive under water (and more or less lined the bottom of the ocean eventually), but only because they were undead; they didn't need to breathe. The zombies in the trailer don't look really undead. It's hard to imagine a dead body reanimated moving that fast, even if an infected living body could. So odds are these would fark up one continent at most and then be done for, unless the infection happened simultaneously in different parts of the world, which would mean either it was created and released by a villain (which is lame) or a world-wide natural occurrence (in which case why are there people who aren't infected?).


Something else other than Max Brooks original zombie virus is at play here.
 
2012-11-09 04:05:30 PM  
On the topic of zombies. Anyone else think Resident Evil 6 is a festering pile of dog snot of a game?

1 & 4 were so damn good...
 
2012-11-09 04:06:15 PM  

Old enough to know better: I may be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works. I believe unless the author is asked to work on the movie, its more like, "Hi, we're from Paramount. Here's five million dollars for the film rights to your book. K? Thanx. Now shut up and GTFO, we have a screenplay to write."


Max Brooks has said as much. Despite having a Hollywood savvy family, he flubbed it.
 
2012-11-09 04:24:22 PM  
This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...
 
2012-11-09 04:36:44 PM  

huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...


Eh... see: I am Legend.
 
2012-11-09 04:54:08 PM  

Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.


"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.
 
2012-11-09 05:02:07 PM  

huscarl91: Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.

"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.


This is where I jump in to defend the movie. In my opinion, as a stand alone movie it was decent. The reason many people had a problem with it was that it divulged so much from its source material, which I totally understand. I will say though, Will Smith's acting was far too good for that film.
 
2012-11-09 05:15:01 PM  
very general statement here, but I prefer the idea of organized, intelligent, fast zombies like this and I Am Legend.. it makes it much more thrilling in my opinion than these blind/deaf/dumb creatures milling around that you can simply hide from. the fact that this comes from a book means people are upset it's not like the book so maybe they should have made it a stand-alone movie and reigned in the CGI a tad and it'd be acceptable
 
2012-11-09 05:30:41 PM  

AntonChigger: huscarl91: Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.

"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.

This is where I jump in to defend the movie. In my opinion, as a stand alone movie it was decent. The reason many people had a problem with it was that it divulged so much from its source material, which I totally understand. I will say though, Will Smith's acting was far too good for that film.


Fair enough, but really, all I was considering is the adaptation, which is how the movie carries forward the story of the book accurately or not. Truth be told, I didn't read "The Postman" until after I'd read it. I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the...loosely cobbled together short stories in one cover, but seriously, other than the name, and that they were both post-apocalyptic, the movie and book were unrelated. Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's story. It tells a good story, and tells it pretty well, but it ain't the book.

This "World War Z" thing might just be a fantastic movie, but it won't be the book, either.
 
2012-11-09 05:38:49 PM  

abhorrent1: Fark you hive-mind haters. I think it looks cool.


Seriously. I like the whole zombies acting like a swarm of ant thing. It looks like it could be a badass flick.
 
2012-11-09 06:02:33 PM  

huscarl91: Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's Matheson's story


I think you're confusing the disappointment of I, Robot with the disappointment of I Am Legend.
 
2012-11-09 06:09:21 PM  

precia: huscarl91: Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's Matheson's story

I think you're confusing the disappointment of I, Robot with the disappointment of I Am Legend.


Clearly! The derp is strong with me! Though it *is* easy to confuse one Will Smith novel-adaptation failure with another...
 
2012-11-09 06:14:27 PM  

thamike: abhorrent1: Fark you hive-mind haters. I think it looks cool.

Seriously. I like the whole zombies acting like a swarm of ant thing. It looks like it could be a badass flick.


Agreed.

Yeah, it's nothing at all like the book...

But still, if it's done well enough it'll be a fun zombie/action flick to watch with the wife some night.
 
2012-11-09 06:31:56 PM  
The Walking Dead looks and is better.
 
2012-11-09 06:34:06 PM  
Max Brooks should have gotten his dad to direct the movie.

How fun would that have been?
 
2012-11-09 06:34:13 PM  

nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.


That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills. For an airburst, in an open area the blast effects from a 2000 lb General Purpose bomb is lethal out to maybe 200 yards, the fragments are lethal out to about 3000 yards. Of course the fragments thin out as the distance increases. In general for an air burst unless you are behind hard cover, such as concrete, steel, or sand bags a 2000 lb bomb will kill just about everyone within 500 yards of the blast, for every additional 100 yards the chances of being killed drop about 5% out past about 2500 yards only the unlucky get hit.

When the military blows up things in populated areas today, they fuse the bombs to go off 20-30 feet underground. This limits the fragments to less than 100 yards. If they wanted to mow down a hoard of zombies, a single B52 could wipe out over 100,000 without much trouble at all. A squadron of fighters would do about the same.

/I liked the book anyway.
//You often have to ignore inconvenient facts to write a good story
 
2012-11-09 07:30:16 PM  

HK-MP5-SD: That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills. For an airburst, in an open area the blast effects from a 2000 lb General Purpose bomb is lethal out to maybe 200 yards, the fragments are lethal out to about 3000 yards. Of course the fragments thin out as the distance increases. In general for an air burst unless you are behind hard cover, such as concrete, steel, or sand bags a 2000 lb bomb will kill just about everyone within 500 yards of the blast, for every additional 100 yards the chances of being killed drop about 5% out past about 2500 yards only the unlucky get hit.


Dude, you're 'killing' robots made out of dead meat. You will destroy some of them, but you can't apply the same standards of lethality to zombies.
 
2012-11-09 07:33:58 PM  
godamnitsofarkingmuch! I thought they had given up on this movie. This was a terrible idea from the get go. World War Z's narrative does not adapt well to a screenplay. No really protagonist (unless you count humanity as a whole), disjointed screens and multiple narrators. Mini-series I could see, but movie? Fark these people.
 
2012-11-09 07:36:14 PM  

Coelacanth: Dude, you're 'killing' robots made out of dead meat. You will destroy some of them, but you can't apply the same standards of lethality to zombies.


Maybe some moron in the movie will try to napalm the zombies. That would be some dark comedy.
 
2012-11-09 07:39:32 PM  

Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.


i wont limit my suggestion to prose because The League of Extraordinary Gentleman was the worst adaptation of a book. it's a comic book that has equal foot hold in the prose market with legitimacy. Alan Moore's epic, award winning tale was ruined with a glitzy action flick that catered to action movie goers with little knowledge of literary history to appreciate it. just awful.
 
2012-11-09 07:42:26 PM  
Starship Troopers, I Am Legend, etc, this isn't really shocking or deviant behavior from the past.

Hollywood is just buying the rights to the name, then making a new movie. They want the credibility/popularity for marketing and the proven mix of action/drama that sustains sales. It works and they have no real reason to stop doing it.
 
2012-11-09 07:54:10 PM  
As for the large pile of zombies .... I read something like that once as a child in a Piers Anthony book.

Essentially thousands of trolls were attacking a castle, and everyone inside thought they were safe because the trolls were too stupid to build ladders and the walls were too high to scale. They figured they could just pick them off one at a time if they started to climb up. What happened was all the trolls attacked at once. The moment the first wave hit the wall the second wave started to climb on them, then the third wave started to climb on them, so on and so forth. So essentially you had a whole pile of smashed up dead trolls stepping on each other, but it made a "ramp" of bodies all the way up to the wall. The defenders were totally unprepared and got overran.

Obviously no being that values its own life would do this ... but we're talking trolls (or zombies in this instance) here.
 
2012-11-09 08:09:41 PM  
I think this looks freakin amazing!

Sure, it's nothing like the book, but I can't wait to see swarming zombies. That image of a pile of zombies crawling all over each other like a horde of ants of is incredible.
 
2012-11-09 10:13:45 PM  
I, Zombie

Interesting take from the infected, in this they maintain their self-awareness and know exactly what they are doing, yet cannot make themselves stop.
 
2012-11-09 10:24:40 PM  
I'm getting a wee bit tired of people saying, "Well, I never read the book, but you should quit complaining because this would be a stupid movie anyways."
 
2012-11-09 11:15:32 PM  

mccoma: Yeah, and that part of the book's premise is just so much crud, particularly after explaining that the troops and vehicles were just back from the middle east. The fighting of zombies as portrayed in the book is an order of magnitude easier than the warfare in the middle east. Zombies don't build IEDs or shoot back. It would actually be a simple military problem.


Yup. Plenty of stuff about how the army acts in the book makes no sense. The most bizarre being how stingy they are in handing out ammo at Yonkers. The army loves, freakin LOVES overkill (there was about 250,000 rounds fired for every confirmed kill in Iraq, for instance), they aren't gonna fight millions of freakin' zombies and not bring enough ammo.

HK-MP5-SD: That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills.


I'll add to that that making them immune to the blast isn't something that really makes sense either. He just hand-waves it in the book as "Oh, for some reason the waves of concussive force didn't damage the zombie brain!" but that's silly. There's no important difference between a brain being torn to bits by a rifle bullet and a brain being torn to bits by the force of a bomb blast.
 
2012-11-10 12:04:16 AM  

thecpt: is the black guy redecker of SA? Maybe that much is right? Can it be eliopolis flying the C-130? Can Henry Rollins not do anything?


He certainly cannot fix a broken heart
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2012-11-10 12:07:35 AM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Obviously no being that values its own life would do this ... but we're talking trolls (or zombies in this instance) here.


Or, as has been mentioned, ants.
 
2012-11-10 12:36:46 AM  

AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized


Video taken about 200' from a JDAM strike, FWIW.
 
2012-11-10 10:37:27 AM  

Walker: Zombies do not have super speed and super strength.
Zombies are not part spider, part monkey.
That is all.


FTFY
 
2012-11-10 08:56:45 PM  

FastJeff: Richard_The_Clown: Coelacanth: You know what World War Z would've great as?

Radio drama.

They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.

I agree, but the Walking Dead folks would say it's a rip off of that series. Just with more logistics in it. Still, man, that would've been an excellent mini-series.


No, the Walking Dead folks pretty much respect both universes. Walking Dead is about survival and having to make the least horrible choices life has thrown at you. WWZ is about different peoples' experiences and points of view. It's a documentary that has everything from a corrupt pharmaceutical company, an epic battle scene, to a Zen zombie hunter. They're both excellent works in their own rights.

/Walking Dead & WWZ fan
//Zombies are a great thought exercise but they've been overhyped for years now
 
2012-11-11 08:32:48 AM  

brigid_fitch: Walking Dead is about survival and having to make the least horrible choices life has thrown at you.


I thought the Walking Dead was about how humanity is made completely of useless insufferable assholes, Korean pizza deliverymen and hicks with crossbows being the only exceptions.
 
2012-11-11 05:01:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


Yes, because grains of sand "cooperate" when forming a mound at the bottom of an hourglass.
 
2012-11-12 12:45:30 AM  

Shadow Blasko: wildcardjack: This looks like the sort of adaptation The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would receive.

If someone takes that idea and runs with it, I will hunt you down and turn your femurs into pencil holders.

Then slingshot them from tycho under to the NA Directorate.


Actually, there is a screenplay being circulated for TMIAHM.

Written by Tim Minear, who co-wrote Firefly
 
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