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2012-11-09 12:03:38 PM  
I love people that say "quit whining" and "suck it up".

This is the Interwebs. WTF else is it good for?
 
2012-11-09 12:05:06 PM  
Oh, and once the police officer was mowed down perfectly in front of Pitt, I decided that this movie was eve too stupid for me to watch.

And I watched Evil Bong this week.
 
2012-11-09 12:06:26 PM  

solyhhit: I love people that say "quit whining" and "suck it up".

This is the Interwebs. WTF else is it good for?


Cat pictures and porn.
 
2012-11-09 12:09:55 PM  

Gunther: Haliburton Cummings: get a life or get a script /book deal.

Are you seriously saying that if you aren't a writer you can't criticize any work of fiction?

I hope that's not what you're saying, 'cause that's farking crazy.


no
 
2012-11-09 12:11:13 PM  
My opinion of zombie movies.
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2012-11-09 12:12:16 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: Haliburton Cummings:
as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"

Well, that rules you out.

/Your post is GARBAGE!
//Looks like James Scameron has an alt


looks like you are a fool. a quick perusal shows you are butthurt by being owned in previous threads by this Scameron fellow.

nice to see you have so much to add to these threads.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:26 PM  
So why are people saying the CGI is bad? Because they can tell its fake? Does that mean that the only good CGI is something which can't be distinguished from real life? Cuz that's pretty stupid, and makes some of you sound really entitled. Its a freaking zombie movie, with fast zombies. Besides, CGI looks just fine to me, and probably worked far better for them considering what they were trying to do with the giant waves of zombies etc. I think you're just mad they didn't stick to the book, and are looking for unnecessary reasons to hate it. The changes to the story should be enough, I would think.

/Wished they had stuck to the book, even though I haven't read it.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:49 PM  

burndtdan: My girlfriend and I had a funny conversation after watching Walking Dead this week, about how non-threatening zombies would actually become after time. Even starting out, human incisors and jaw do not seem well equipped for biting off hunks of other people, especially people that aren't going to sit still while you do it. And through a layer of clothing? We don't exactly have the fangs of a predator.


Excellent point. Human teeth are hard enough to maintain even while healthy ( granted, our diet is largely to blame). If zombified, I'd probably be a threat to a dozen people at most, before the teeth fall out.

Then, I imagine I'd just try to gum people...

/ zombies wouldn't have bite inhibitions, which prevent us from damaging our teeth...
 
2012-11-09 12:24:27 PM  

AntonChigger: So why are people saying the CGI is bad? Because they can tell its fake? Does that mean that the only good CGI is something which can't be distinguished from real life? Cuz that's pretty stupid, and makes some of you sound really entitled. Its a freaking zombie movie, with fast zombies. Besides, CGI looks just fine to me, and probably worked far better for them considering what they were trying to do with the giant waves of zombies etc. I think you're just mad they didn't stick to the book, and are looking for unnecessary reasons to hate it. The changes to the story should be enough, I would think.

/Wished they had stuck to the book, even though I haven't read it.


In all honesty I'm not sure the book would translate well to film if they were super faithful to it.
 
2012-11-09 12:29:26 PM  

SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.


This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

www.fas.org

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

static6.businessinsider.com

And this is how they're deployed:

www.ausairpower.net

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.
 
2012-11-09 12:32:58 PM  

burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.


In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)
 
2012-11-09 12:36:42 PM  

verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.
 
2012-11-09 12:37:04 PM  

mamoru: burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.

In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)


So basically the virus is magic. It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse. VIRUSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

I would honestly prefer the magic explanation to a bogus pseudoscientific one.
 
2012-11-09 12:40:09 PM  

verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

[www.fas.org image 800x327]

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

And this is how they're deployed:

[www.ausairpower.net image 760x574]

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


Listen or read that part again.

The JDAM's totally blow the shiat out 4,000 or so zombies.

That left about 800,000 behind them... and the ordinance was gone. That was the problem.

They tried to shock and awe something that could be neither shocked, nor awed.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:04 PM  

nitefallz: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.


And that's because Brooks didn't bother to go read about what smart bombs can do. Nothing gets up if there's nothing left to get up. The problem is he portrays it like most of them would be intact, or perfectly blown in half so they could continue walking or dragging themselves. Bodies are mangled in these explosions, sometimes vaporized. You'd have a few who'd have their legs blown off, but many would be missing all four limbs, or just have one arm and one leg, making them totally immobile other than rolling towards their target. Any part of the horde close enough to the blast itself though would be piles of bits and parts.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:07 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: Vash's Apprentice: Haliburton Cummings:
as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"

Well, that rules you out.

/Your post is GARBAGE!
//Looks like James Scameron has an alt

looks like you are a fool. a quick perusal shows you are butthurt by being owned in previous threads by this Scameron fellow.

nice to see you have so much to add to these threads.


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2012-11-09 12:43:36 PM  

nitefallz: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.


The book DOES NOT address this. Penetrating the cranium with an axe kills a zombie. But shattering/vaporizing the cranium with high explosives or penetrating it with shrapnel don't kill them? It's stupid. But it fit into the various social and political themes and messages he wanted to advance, so he wrote around it.

No harm, no foul. It's entertainment, not journalism or science.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:03 PM  

Shadow Blasko: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

[www.fas.org image 800x327]

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

And this is how they're deployed:

[www.ausairpower.net image 760x574]

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Listen or read that part again.

The JDAM's totally blow the shiat out 4,000 or so zombies.

That left about 800,000 behind them... and the ordinance was gone. That was the problem.

They tried to shock and awe something that could be neither shocked, nor awed.


That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

My point is to buy into the tension of the book, you have to accept the premise that the zombies are more powerful than they really are, and the humans are dumber than they really are. Zombie literature doesn't work if you don't automatically assume the worst of humanity at the beginning of the outbreak. It is a worst-case scenario after all.

Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:24 PM  

One Bad Apple: WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly


I couldn't find a way to properly word what I thought was wrong with it, but you said it perfectly. Thank you.
 
2012-11-09 12:49:43 PM  
For what it's worth, I didn't see army ant zombies in the trailer so much as blindly zealous ones, willing to stampede each other en masse to reach one, simple goal. I take it these zombies will see a weak point in something, or notice something obvious - "Hey, all the other zombies are piling atop each other! There must be food there!" - and scramble over each other to get at it. It's a low form of intelligence but not much more than that.
 
2012-11-09 12:50:17 PM  

verbaltoxin: No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


He actually covered it in great detail. What normally kills people with HE bombs are pressure waves and fire. Those things don't do much to a zombie. You have to destroy the brain, period. At the battle of Yonkers they used a ton of bombs, rockets, and artillery, but they have a much lower kill-ratio within 50' of the explosion. The soldiers were also still aiming for the center of mass (as they have been trained since forever) instead of the head. Tank shells had the same problem - almost no zombie kills. Even machine guns had low kill-rates because they have to hit the head. Firing into a mass of zombies is unlikely to get headshots.
 
2012-11-09 12:54:18 PM  

verbaltoxin: Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.


I'm cool with what you are saying.

In fact, one of the reasons I like Day By Day Armageddon so much is because it is written by an officer in the military who works HARD to get that kind of stuff right.

But, back to Yonkers...

The author says "If we would have had more of those, it would have been great"

That was the whole point. They brought out all the toys, but only a few of each. It was a show for the media and they used "scare the enemy into going home" tactics against a mindless opponent.

Wainio says several times when recounting Yonkers that they COULD have wiped out almost all of the Z's with JDAMS and other ordinance, but the brass was clueless about how to fight the undead, and instead didn't supply them with the proper ammo, or enough ordinance to do it for more than 30 minutes.

He also says they had the tools do to it properly, but with stupid crap like LANwarrior and unneeded protective gear that was just there because they had to justify having it.. it became a clusterfark.
 
2012-11-09 12:56:15 PM  

verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.


No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.
 
2012-11-09 12:57:18 PM  
that's the weirdest perfume ad ive ever seen.
 
2012-11-09 01:01:35 PM  

verbaltoxin: It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse.


Assuming we can hand-wave away the fact that the virus reanimates the dead... why is it so hard to believe that it would preserve the corpse? I mean, if the corpse is reanimated, is it so hard to believe that the immune system is still functioning?

I don't think it really takes much suspension of disbelief...
 
2012-11-09 01:02:07 PM  

madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.


Really. And you have the research papers on zombies to prove this? No, because none exist, since this is a work of fiction.

Get a grip, dude, I already admitted up-thread it was just a difference of opinion.
 
2012-11-09 01:08:45 PM  

Honest Bender: verbaltoxin: It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse.

Assuming we can hand-wave away the fact that the virus reanimates the dead... why is it so hard to believe that it would preserve the corpse? I mean, if the corpse is reanimated, is it so hard to believe that the immune system is still functioning?

I don't think it really takes much suspension of disbelief...


Then if it's reanimated and still partially functioning, it needs fuel (food) to keep functioning. Brooks states in both his zombie books how they don't digest any of the food they eat. So the virus basically survives based on..what, exactly? It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food, the total opposite of everything a virus looks for in a host. A virus only exists to find a new host, but a dead body is just about the worst host ever. A host may die in the process, but that's no concern to the virus, the host just needs to function long enough for the virus to propagate.

If a virus is reanimating the dead, it's already doing a bunch of unnecessary work. It has to revive the body, keep it functional, stave off decay, and find a new host, all while the host is decomposing and doesn't do anything to keep itself alive or functional. Zombies are clumsy, stupid and do nothing to ensure their physical integrity.
 
2012-11-09 01:15:32 PM  

verbaltoxin: It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food


Maybe it's not decaying. Maybe it's just eating the host. Alternatively, maybe the virus keeps the host alive, the host eats, and the virus eats the food. Or is that too close to the zombie digesting? I mean, I can come up with an explanation for just about anything. It's just a matter of how much disbelief you're willing to suspend.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:24 PM  
What the fark was that? I guess they decided that only using the title of the book as the title of the movie was close enough.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:46 PM  
For some reason, I got curious if they ever made a zombie love story ala Twilight. Hit google and found a book and a movie coming out next year called Warm Bodies. I wonder who the next group will be? Sandworms? Cthulhu?
 
2012-11-09 01:23:36 PM  

Shadow Blasko: verbaltoxin: Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.

I'm cool with what you are saying.

In fact, one of the reasons I like Day By Day Armageddon so much is because it is written by an officer in the military who works HARD to get that kind of stuff right.

But, back to Yonkers...

The author says "If we would have had more of those, it would have been great"

That was the whole point. They brought out all the toys, but only a few of each. It was a show for the media and they used "scare the enemy into going home" tactics against a mindless opponent.

Wainio says several times when recounting Yonkers that they COULD have wiped out almost all of the Z's with JDAMS and other ordinance, but the brass was clueless about how to fight the undead, and instead didn't supply them with the proper ammo, or enough ordinance to do it for more than 30 minutes.

He also says they had the tools do to it properly, but with stupid crap like LANwarrior and unneeded protective gear that was just there because they had to justify having it.. it became a clusterfark.


And I have another book on my Wishlist. Thank you, Shadow Blasko.

Honest Bender: verbaltoxin: It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food

Maybe it's not decaying. Maybe it's just eating the host. Alternatively, maybe the virus keeps the host alive, the host eats, and the virus eats the food. Or is that too close to the zombie digesting? I mean, I can come up with an explanation for just about anything. It's just a matter of how much disbelief you're willing to suspend.


Yep, and that's what these discussions eventually break down to: artistic license and interpretation.
 
2012-11-09 01:25:03 PM  

madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.


I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized
 
2012-11-09 01:27:08 PM  

AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized


A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:07 PM  
I enjoyed the HELL out of the book.

I like to read. What's wrong with being fairly well read, again?

WWZ could/would have made an awesome miniseries as it's been mentioned umpteenth times already. It's just too vast of a narrative to condense down into a script for a 120-150 minute long movie.

Anyone following the development of this film shouldn't be surprised AT ALL about what it's turned into. We all knew it wouldn't be what we'd hoped it could be but it's no less disappointing to see our worst fears materialized.

I will NOT be paying theater prices to see this.

/always read the book before seeing the movie if possible
 
2012-11-09 01:30:09 PM  

Wretschko: Then she double-crushed me for the rest of the night by adding, "Super speed zombies!? That sucks...Oh, by the way, did you watch the DVR'ed Walking Dead? I CANNOT believe (Bleep!) and (Bleep!) died!"


God, at least she waited until Thursday. This one stupid biatch posted about it on Facebook at 10:05 Monday night, and then refused to apologize when a bunch of us called her out. ("That's how I roll with the Walking Dead," she said. Translation? "I'm a self-centered biatch.")
 
2012-11-09 01:31:36 PM  

verbaltoxin: And I have another book on my Wishlist. Thank you, Shadow Blasko.


I think you will enjoy it.

The audiobooks are fantastic as well.
 
2012-11-09 01:32:30 PM  

nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.


Isn't the brain an internal organ. I guess I can just chalk it up to coagulated blood and concussion proof zombie brains that survive concussion blasts from large explosives but not a direct baseball bat to the head... wait. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure a blast wave like would pulp the brain. That being said, I love zombies as much as the next guy, so I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief, but it makes it harder when the writer is trying so hard to be real.
 
2012-11-09 01:38:47 PM  

AntonChigger: nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.

Isn't the brain an internal organ. I guess I can just chalk it up to coagulated blood and concussion proof zombie brains that survive concussion blasts from large explosives but not a direct baseball bat to the head... wait. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure a blast wave like would pulp the brain. That being said, I love zombies as much as the next guy, so I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief, but it makes it harder when the writer is trying so hard to be real.


I understand the irony in trying to be scientifically and factually accurate when discussing zombies, however:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury

Doesn't seem to indicate the brain receiving much injury from blasts, or at least not enough to cause catastrophic brain injury as required to kill them.
 
2012-11-09 01:42:20 PM  

Lsherm: I'll watch it.

/F all of you.


My thoughts exactly.

Is it the book? no.

will i see it? yes.

will it suck on its own? we'll see.
 
2012-11-09 01:44:58 PM  

hubiestubert: Coelacanth: ShawnDoc: Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.

They're rebooting Starship Troopers with a script approved by the Heinlein estate,. It should be out for summer 2013.

That is the best news I've heard all morning. Never hand a film to a director that has nothing but open contempt for the work.


Hold onto your enthusiasm. From the wiki page:

" Neal H. Moritz, producer of films such as The Fast and the Furious series and I Am Legend, announced plans to do a remake of the film that promises to be more faithful to the source material." 

/It's doomed.
 
2012-11-09 01:46:18 PM  

nitefallz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury


"Thus, the majority of prior research focused on the mechanisms of blast injuries within gas-containing organs/organ systems such as the lungs, while primary blast-induced traumatic brain injury has remained underestimated"

This speaks to a lack of study into traumatic brain injury in blast injury, not a low occurrance of it. There has to be more study into that factor to explain what explosive force does to the brain. It is plausible to say it injures the brain though, considering there's enough force exerted to disrupt other organs. People end up with dementia from too many tackles in football. Why couldn't an explosion critically injure someone's brain?

/It's artistic interpretation, folks.
 
2012-11-09 01:49:13 PM  

vartian: Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.

If zombies can talk, we're all dead.


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-11-09 01:51:03 PM  
Alas, what could have been... 

www.goodwp.com
 
2012-11-09 02:03:53 PM  

mamoru: burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.

In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)


I'm actually personally satisfied just suspending disbelief about the subject entirely for the sake of the horror element, but it was just a funny thing to think about.
 
2012-11-09 02:22:20 PM  

madgonad: verbaltoxin: No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

He actually covered it in great detail. What normally kills people with HE bombs are pressure waves and fire. Those things don't do much to a zombie. You have to destroy the brain, period. At the battle of Yonkers they used a ton of bombs, rockets, and artillery, but they have a much lower kill-ratio within 50' of the explosion. The soldiers were also still aiming for the center of mass (as they have been trained since forever) instead of the head. Tank shells had the same problem - almost no zombie kills. Even machine guns had low kill-rates because they have to hit the head. Firing into a mass of zombies is unlikely to get headshots.


Yeah, and his great detail is so wrong. I like the book, but I really had to get past some serious disbelief to read it.

An AC-130, cluster bombs, napalm, and tanks running over the hoard destroy the hoard. Cluster bombs don't mysteriously miss hitting the head with fragments. Look at war pictures sometime and see all the head trauma. Nevermind the number of citizens that will get together and pick off zombies. Any tactic used at the back of the book would have been used at the front. Tell a group of soldiers to only do head shots and they will.

Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.
 
2012-11-09 02:45:52 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: Zombie DJ:
Bathia_Mapes: classic slow zombies.

Never understood this argument. The very first zombie we farking see in Night of the Living Dead, runs.


Romero intended them to be ghouls, not zombies. Pop culture determined otherwise.
/Jason didn't shamble until F13 part3
//Pinhead didn't have a name in Hellraiser


And zombies didn't specifically eat brains until Dan O'Bannon's 'Return of the Living Dead'.

...which was awesome.
 
2012-11-09 02:47:08 PM  
random zombie recommendation

Since that's far more use of this thread than talking about the abortion of a movie.
 
2012-11-09 02:50:15 PM  
See Libs, this is the shiat that happens when you reelect 0bummer. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-11-09 02:59:35 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: random zombie recommendation

Since that's far more use of this thread than talking about the abortion of a movie.


I checked the link. Don't care for the synopsis. However I'm pretty pissed that the kindle version is $9.99 while the rest of the print versions are much cheaper. Seriously, what the fark is going on here?
 
2012-11-09 03:15:25 PM  

mccoma: Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.


Again, part of the argument in the book is also that generals who are accustomed to traditional warfare and traditional enemies may be slow on the uptake for this. How instead of taking advantage of the evacuated apartment and office buildings they are left to be on street level with the hoard. Not to mention panic being the other 'infection' in this book.
 
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