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2012-11-08 07:52:18 PM
Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.
 
2012-11-08 08:27:16 PM
This is funny to me. I didn't read the book, so to me it just looks like a you people are losing your shiat over nothing. Maybe the book was this awesome ride and they are totally ruining it, but I am getting a kick out of how people on the web are pillorying this trailer.

I personally hate fast zombie stories anyway.
 
2012-11-08 08:28:02 PM

knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.


Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.
 
2012-11-08 08:37:56 PM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


If zombies can talk, we're all dead.
 
2012-11-08 08:38:13 PM
I like a mix of slow and fast, you don't know which is which, they are mixed in with each other...

I like lurkers, zombies that find out of the way places, a bush, tall grass, under a counter... and just sit / lay down and stay still and quiet until you come by..

also moaners.... moaners alert other zombies...


Ive run a few table top RPGs with a nice mix of kinds, none being L4D super Specials, the closest to that I had was the gas bag, zombies that looked more bloated then the rest, tight skin, a little heavy set... full of flammable gas, do not kill near fire, take out with melee weapons..

I also had a real mix of physical types, fat zombies got bonuses to melee grabs and the like, child zombies were almost always fast, and tricky to hit.

now what could they have done better with the WarZ movie?

Made it a mini series on AMC or some such..

Think about it, we can follow the book almost exactly... the narrator traveling the world to speak with all these people, through his eyes and travel we get to see the world after the zombie wars, flying over country side, nearly empty cities....

Each week he tracks down someone to interview, he finds them, and it fades to each story, different guest actors, and maybe each tale directed by a new director...

There are enough stories in the book to do at least 2 small seasons.
 
2012-11-08 08:55:50 PM
I couldn't watch that trailer without the niggling thought... "wasn't it filmed in Glasgow?"

Yes, it was. From that article:

Parts of Glasgow are being turned into war-torn ruins for the next two weeks as filming for a new Hollywood blockbuster gets under way.


Aaah.

The producers wanted to make it easier for themselves.

/Hope they got an Old Firm match day too, for hordes of mindless zombies aimlessly wandering around.
//Old Firm matches are a bit thin on the ground these days.
///Being a sheep shagger, I'm allowed to criticise.
 
2012-11-08 10:46:24 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is funny to me. I didn't read the book, so to me it just looks like a you people are losing your shiat over nothing. Maybe the book was this awesome ride and they are totally ruining it, but I am getting a kick out of how people on the web are pillorying this trailer.

I personally hate fast zombie stories anyway.


Wait until they start throwing around phrases like "survival porn".
 
2012-11-08 11:04:57 PM
Not just fast zombies. Fast obviously CGI zombies. ::sigh::
 
2012-11-08 11:08:08 PM
So why do we hate this now? Admittedly I'm a little zombied-out but this looks like it has good production values anyway.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:38 PM
I can only hope this will finally cause Zombie Overkill and people let the whole damn thing die.
 
2012-11-08 11:33:32 PM

GAT_00: I can only hope this will finally cause Zombie Overkill and people let the whole damn thing die.


Well The Walking Dead has really good ratings but yeah, the genre is a bot over saturated. How many times can you tell the same story about zombies and survivors who are mostly assholes?
 
2012-11-08 11:38:28 PM

Raharu: I like a mix of slow and fast, you don't know which is which, they are mixed in with each other...


The Morningstar Strain trilogy handled this well (I'm sure other books have as well, but this one is fresh in mind): the infection doesn't kill you, so the still living infected are fast "Runners". However, if their body dies, they reanimate as slow "Shamblers". Seems sensible and consistent to me, and makes for a more interesting story overall by varying the threats.

IIRC, in WWZ, the zombies start out as reasonably mobile, not fast because of lack of good coordination, but not entirely slow, either. They slow down as their bodies deteriorate. I think... I may be misremembering because I've been reading a lot of zombie books lately. I've been on a bit of a kick.
 
2012-11-09 12:02:05 AM
I'm willing to give this movie a chance. I know it doesn't follow the book and it's a little different from other works of zombie fiction but that doesn't mean-

Despite the third act footage that was already in the can, Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof was brought in to write a new ending - both literally and figuratively - for the venture.

God damnit.
 
2012-11-09 12:06:24 AM

Mentat: I'm willing to give this movie a chance. I know it doesn't follow the book and it's a little different from other works of zombie fiction but that doesn't mean-

Despite the third act footage that was already in the can, Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof was brought in to write a new ending - both literally and figuratively - for the venture.

God damnit.


Mother farker.
 
2012-11-09 12:10:36 AM
These zombies look like they came out of a poorly done video game from about 10 years ago.
 
2012-11-09 12:12:10 AM

Mugato: So why do we hate this now? Admittedly I'm a little zombied-out but this looks like it has good production values anyway.


Because it appears to be NOTHING like its namesake (I won't even say source material).

WWZ is a series of vignettes. Some touching, some funny, some scary, but all different.

This is a single themed action/horror movie.

I'll probably go see it, I just wish they had called it something else... if for no reason than people will watch it and think that they can skip the book.
 
2012-11-09 12:17:27 AM
If everyone involved in making, supporting, and watching this movie was run over by a truck tomorrow, I think we'd wake up the day after to a far better world.
 
2012-11-09 12:24:15 AM

Shadow Blasko: I'll probably go see it, I just wish they had called it something else... if for no reason than people will watch it and think that they can skip the book.


This is my thought as well. Based solely on the trailer, ignoring the title, it looks like it could at least be a fun, action packed fast-zombie movie. Which is fine, assuming it is at the very least mindlessly entertaining, if not just straight up entertaining.

But it looks nothing at all like "World War Z".

I'll probably see it because it looks entertaining, not because it has the same title as the book and I am expecting it to be anything like the book. Its a crappy marketing gimmick to have given it this title.
 
2012-11-09 12:37:39 AM
Other than the title, what does this have in common with the book?
 
2012-11-09 12:39:53 AM

Bladel: Other than the title, what does this have in common with the book?


Zombies.. Helicopters.. people... umm... air.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:29 AM

Bladel: Other than the title, what does this have in common with the book?


I'll bet some of the characters have the same names. ;)
 
2012-11-09 01:01:48 AM

Bladel: Other than the title, what does this have in common with the book?


It really doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't think WWZ was a household name that they could bank on, like Stephen King or someone (who knows what it's like to have books turned into movies by name only).

World War Z could be a great HBO series or something. It's so very far different from something like Walking Dead that it wouldn't feel like a ripoff. This looks like Walking Dead with faster and more more more zombies.

Why not just keep the documentary feel of the book at least, even if you screw all the rest of it up?
 
2012-11-09 01:06:26 AM

Raharu: Mentat: I'm willing to give this movie a chance. I know it doesn't follow the book and it's a little different from other works of zombie fiction but that doesn't mean-

Despite the third act footage that was already in the can, Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof was brought in to write a new ending - both literally and figuratively - for the venture.

God damnit.

Mother farker.


There is no God.

/Not sarcasm
//Hyperbole? Okay, guilty.
///But f*in Lindelof? After the travesty that was Prometheus? Ugh.
 
2012-11-09 01:18:23 AM
so they remade Matrix Revolutions and replaced the sentinels with zombies... got it.
 
2012-11-09 01:18:29 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is funny to me. I didn't read the book, so to me it just looks like a you people are losing your shiat over nothing. Maybe the book was this awesome ride and they are totally ruining it, but I am getting a kick out of how people on the web are pillorying this trailer.

I personally hate fast zombie stories anyway.


The book was a different look at the zombie story. Everything preceding was 1)ZOMBIES! 2)Identify protagonist(s), 3) Adaptation/survival plotline, and 4) follow protagonist to end of book. Season generously with zombie attacks and deaths of secondary characters. *Suggested but not required: Someone has to kill freshly-zombified former member of group.

WWZ was like a post-apocalyptic Canterbury Tales. A reporter gathered stories of a dozen or so survivors, from all over the world, and from all walks of life. A computer geek, a decorated war general, a teenager abandoned at age 6 to fend for herself in the middle of the outbreak, a shady pharmaceutical rep, a Marine on the zombie front line, etc. And each vignette was emotional and gripping. The war general describing how a former maid needed to instruct her former employer on how to sanitize things, a Marine w/obvious PTSD recounting how the Army's state-of-the-art tech was useless, the zillionaire who thought he had a zombie-proof bunker until it got overrun, etc.

From the trailer, it looks like they just went with a fast-paced, movie-length version of The Walking Dead. With badly CGI'd zombies and Inception's score.
 
2012-11-09 01:18:34 AM
WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly
 
2012-11-09 01:21:07 AM

Bladel: Other than the title, what does this have in common with the book?


there are zombies in it. oh, and they are all over the world.

that's really about it.
 
2012-11-09 01:22:30 AM

One Bad Apple: WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly


I'm okay with that except for the speed. The chapter w/the zillionaire's bunker and even Battle at Yonkers described zombies using zombie corpses to overcome barriers. The problem in the trailer is more a matter of God-awful CGI than story.
 
2012-11-09 01:23:43 AM

brigid_fitch: badly CGI'd zombies


that really can't be over stated.
 
2012-11-09 01:52:52 AM

brigid_fitch: The chapter w/the zillionaire's bunker


Are you talking about the Long Island compound?
 
2012-11-09 01:54:42 AM
The biggest problem with these CGI trailer, is that the CGI isn't finalized...or completed. Remember how people were biatching about The Hulk in the early Avengers Trailers?

My problem it's a farking Zombie movie. Stupidest concept for a monster ever.
 
2012-11-09 02:07:41 AM

log_jammin: brigid_fitch: badly CGI'd zombies

that really can't be over stated.

 
2012-11-09 02:32:37 AM
Ok I know nothing about the lore, the book or anything. This just looks like another stupid movie. But my question is:

Did that garbage truck say PWND?
 
2012-11-09 02:35:39 AM
WWZ wasn't well suited to being made into a movie. But it might have made a half decent TV series. You know, if someone else hadn't made their own post-zombie apocalypse TV series.

This looks like the sort of adaptation The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would receive.
 
2012-11-09 02:40:00 AM

Darth_Lukecash: The biggest problem with these CGI trailer, is that the CGI isn't finalized...or completed. Remember how people were biatching about The Hulk in the early Avengers Trailers?

My problem it's a farking Zombie movie. Stupidest concept for a monster ever.


Actually, most monsters are just personified archetypes of various human traits and emotions.

Zombies are multilayered metaphors representing one or more of a litany of external forces including inevitability, mortality, insurmountable opposition and abandonment of principles.

While not true for all zombie or monster stories, it is because of these that most monster stories focus on the defeat (control) of the monster (trait or emotion).

... zombie stories on the other hand usually surround themselves with the theme of survival in the face of the external force... so much so that many end exactly where they begin with little having been accomplished aside from a brief reprieve to ponder those that did not survive or those that sacrificed themselves so others could.

/love me some zombie stories
 
2012-11-09 02:41:22 AM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


Good lord, zombies running on meth and Red Bull!

I think these zombies have a hive mind. And for a lot of months since the first two scripts were leaked, I've been calling this train wreck Starship Zombies on account of what Hollywood did Robert Heinlein's book Starship Troopers, but may God and St.Peter smack me if two of those scenes don't look like they were taken from the Starship Troopers movie.
 
2012-11-09 02:41:48 AM
Why does this remind me of "War of the Worlds" meets "I am Legend"? Hollywood out of ideas?
 
2012-11-09 02:42:56 AM

Darth_Lukecash: My problem it's a farking Zombie movie. Stupidest concept for a monster ever.


Zombies are the oldest monsters there are, worldwide.
 
2012-11-09 02:46:23 AM

wildcardjack: This looks like the sort of adaptation The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would receive.


If someone takes that idea and runs with it, I will hunt you down and turn your femurs into pencil holders.

Then slingshot them from tycho under to the NA Directorate.
 
2012-11-09 02:49:39 AM
If I didn't know what WWZ was, I'm not sure I would even know that's a zombie movie.
 
2012-11-09 02:54:18 AM

bob_ross: Ok I know nothing about the lore, the book or anything. This just looks like another stupid movie. But my question is:

Did that garbage truck say PWND?


farm8.staticflickr.com

Pinkett Waste Disposal

/I like yours better
 
2012-11-09 02:54:37 AM

brigid_fitch: From the trailer, it looks like they just went with a fast-paced, movie-length version of The Walking Dead. With badly CGI'd zombies and Inception's score.


As someone who has read the book 8 times (and picks it up for light vignette reading to get to sleep), it looks more like they smooshed 3 of the American survivor stories together into a single narrative (the marine, the little girl whose family fled to Canada, and the gov't consultant who wound up doing resource control) with a few brief scenes that were set in other areas of the world in the book peppered in for flavor.

I'm reserving judgement until I've seen the movie and how well it adapts those three stories into each other, but even if it is good, I can't help but agree with the general consensus that overall it would have been better as a miniseries.

/Then again, they could be setting this up for a movie franchise.
//Because Hollywood needs to eat all the dicks and DIAF.
 
Poe
2012-11-09 02:56:34 AM
I love WWZ. Read it multiple times, lent out my copy to multiple people and got them hooked, looking forward to the unabridged audiobook. I don't know what this is, but it isn't WWZ.

I'm not angry, just ...disappointed.
 
2012-11-09 03:01:05 AM

sonorangal: Why does this remind me of "War of the Worlds" meets "I am Legend"? Hollywood out of ideas?


It's funny you say that because my thought during the trailer was "So the first half of war of the worlds, but with zombies instead of aliens".
 
2012-11-09 03:01:39 AM

Poe: looking forward to the unabridged audiobook


I don't know about the unabridged version, but the audiobook for WWZ makes a case for being better than the actual book reading experience.
 
2012-11-09 03:03:06 AM

Coelacanth: I think these zombies have a hive mind. And for a lot of months since the first two scripts were leaked, I've been calling this train wreck Starship Zombies on account of what Hollywood did Robert Heinlein's book Starship Troopers, but may God and St.Peter smack me if two of those scenes don't look like they were taken from the Starship Troopers movie.


Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.
 
2012-11-09 03:03:59 AM
Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly. The tanks blast away, and Zacks crumple. Then they get back up, and come, slowly. The soldiers open fire, steady, controlled. Land Warrior feeds give everyone the on-the-ground view. They keep coming. The ammo runs low... wait, this isn't how it was planned. The horde stretches on for miles. The ammo is almost gone. What? Zack is behind the front lines?! Someone's down, where are they coming from? Oh God!

or I guess we can just have a buncha fast zombies. 'Cause those are cool or something, so fark it.
 
2012-11-09 03:04:56 AM

Darth_Lukecash: My problem it's a farking Zombie movie. Stupidest concept for a monster ever.


Never really got the whole zombie thing. And the only thing the trailer is missing is the happy ending.
 
2012-11-09 03:06:17 AM
It's pretty bad when the CGI comes across as over the top, excessive, and fake looking in a Youtube clip.
 
2012-11-09 03:08:36 AM
I'll watch it.

/F all of you.
 
2012-11-09 03:09:18 AM

Coelacanth: Darth_Lukecash: My problem it's a farking Zombie movie. Stupidest concept for a monster ever.

Zombies are the oldest monsters there are, worldwide.


The dead coming back to life have been a mainstay, but the current style of Zombies are a recent invention. Gods/Demons, woodland creatures, half human have animal and intelligent undead/or controlled undead are far older than the brainless idiots that people find terrifying.
 
2012-11-09 03:09:41 AM
Haha! I have no idea what it's supposed to be like so I'm not all precious and shiat about how the film should be.

Trailer looked pretty good, so there.
 
2012-11-09 03:10:11 AM
is the black guy redecker of SA? Maybe that much is right? Can it be eliopolis flying the C-130? Can Henry Rollins not do anything?
 
2012-11-09 03:12:37 AM

Confabulat: Poe: looking forward to the unabridged audiobook

I don't know about the unabridged version, but the audiobook for WWZ makes a case for being better than the actual book reading experience.


you goddamn right. Mark Hamill's and Alan Alda's voice acting were top notch. Practically every actor played their character well and convincingly save that British Castle dude.
 
2012-11-09 03:15:20 AM
it might be a good, generic zombie movie, but it aint world war z

on the bright side, we can look forward to a "reboot" in a few years properly using the source material - hopefully as a mini-series
 
2012-11-09 03:16:04 AM

thecpt: Can Henry Rollins not do anything?


Hey now... I thought he was perfect as T Shawn.

Alan Alda was great as Sinclair... but mostly because I just extended his West Wing "Vinnick" to Sinclair.

Same location, same sensibilities.
 
2012-11-09 03:19:18 AM

GungFu: Haha! I have no idea what it's supposed to be like so I'm not all precious and shiat about how the film should be.

Trailer looked pretty good, so there.


It might be a fine movie but it does not look anything like World War Z. That's the beef people have with this. I'm sure you've read some books that get adapted into movies that don't resemble the source material yourself.
 
2012-11-09 03:19:29 AM
listening to the audiobook again to cleanse my mind
 
2012-11-09 03:20:05 AM
I miss the days of sparkly vampires.
 
2012-11-09 03:20:24 AM
Hive mind, you say? I'll just recommend this one again.

www.zombiephiles.com
 
2012-11-09 03:21:19 AM
It reminds me a little of the adaptation of Sebastian Junger's "Perfect Storm," a non-fiction book that was mostly filled with wonky nerd stuff about boating and weather, that somehow got turned into a weepy melodrama starring George Clooney and a bunch of sad people in a bar, or something.
 
2012-11-09 03:26:19 AM

fusillade762: Hive mind, you say? I'll just recommend this one again.


I just read that yesterday (I'm a fast reader). It was... pretty good. There was some WTFness, and occasional jumps or gaps in character development (e.g. Anne's flashback did not do a good job of portraying how she became who she is; despite all of the foreshadowing suggesting that it would). But, overall an entertaining read.

Looking forward to starting "Killing Floor" when I get home from work.
 
2012-11-09 03:26:36 AM

ShawnDoc: Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.


They're rebooting Starship Troopers with a script approved by the Heinlein estate,. It should be out for summer 2013.
 
2012-11-09 03:28:50 AM

mamoru: The Morningstar Strain trilogy handled this well


Have to check that one out.

I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.

Also looking for more book recommendations if anyone has them.
 
2012-11-09 03:32:21 AM
The CGI zombies look like the swarming orcs doing battle in Lord of the Rings from 10 years ago. Except worse.
 
2012-11-09 03:33:13 AM
So are the zombies liquid metal now or what hell is going on with this trailer?
 
2012-11-09 03:37:36 AM

fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.


Day by Day Armageddon.


Excellent series
 
2012-11-09 03:40:38 AM

fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.


Although, if Day by Day Armageddon is the one you are thinking of, nuking them didn't make them faster or smarter, it just made them more durable, by way of preserving the tissue from natural decay. They didn't slow down as much as the others did because the hot zombies didn't rot.

They could also seriously mess up your shiat just by swarming around you, as they were HIGHLY radioactive.
 
2012-11-09 03:42:49 AM
My wife has seen me read WWZ numerous times over the years. When I watched the trailer on the iPad, I was shaking my head constantly.

My wife wondered what got me all riled up.

I simply showed her the trailer and she literally didn't even understand what was happening until the closing title that said "World War Z."

"Oh," she said, "They were ZOMBIES?! I thought it was some kind of alien blobs."

Then she double-crushed me for the rest of the night by adding, "Super speed zombies!? That sucks...Oh, by the way, did you watch the DVR'ed Walking Dead? I CANNOT believe (Bleep!) and (Bleep!) died!"

I screamed.

/Twice.
//Once in anger and once in confused joy.
///you know what I mean.
 
2012-11-09 03:42:51 AM

Coelacanth: ShawnDoc: Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.

They're rebooting Starship Troopers with a script approved by the Heinlein estate,. It should be out for summer 2013.


I'm sure we'll all get to see it at our respective Heinlein brown-shirt youth rallies.
 
2012-11-09 03:44:38 AM

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.

Although, if Day by Day Armageddon is the one you are thinking of, nuking them didn't make them faster or smarter, it just made them more durable, by way of preserving the tissue from natural decay. They didn't slow down as much as the others did because the hot zombies didn't rot.

They could also seriously mess up your shiat just by swarming around you, as they were HIGHLY radioactive.


No. It made them faster too. not Olympic sprinter or anything, but faster than the others.
 
2012-11-09 03:45:52 AM

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.

Day by Day Armageddon.

Excellent series


I liked it, too. Though I got slammed by people who hated it when I recommended it in an earlier thread.

I would again recommend the Craig DiLouie books, though they're not *technically* zombies (at least in "The Infection" and "Killing Floor").

This one was pretty good, too.

craphound.com

And oddly enough I'm watching tonight's Conan and he has Maggie from The Walking Dead on.
 
2012-11-09 03:46:19 AM
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don't go see it.

The world doesn't need another zombie movie for a while anyway. 28 Days Later outdid them all.
 
2012-11-09 03:49:31 AM

calbert: bob_ross: Ok I know nothing about the lore, the book or anything. This just looks like another stupid movie. But my question is:

Did that garbage truck say PWND?

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x271]

Pinkett Waste Disposal

/I like yours better


I have a motorcycle in World of Warcraft with PWND for a licence plate.

Granted, it's fixed and can't be changed to anything else..
 
2012-11-09 03:54:16 AM
Normally I scoff at the hyperactive Fark hate machine, but I'm skipping this one. I'm not even going to download it. It missed it's mark by so far, I wouldn't be surprised if Helen Keller was directing it.
 
2012-11-09 03:55:10 AM
fast zombies don't make sense.
 
2012-11-09 03:57:03 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: fast zombies don't make sense.


yet slow zombies don't cut mustard anymore because it turns out they're ridiculously easy to avoid/defeat.

The people in Night of the Living Dead were just morons for shacking themselves up in a
 
2012-11-09 03:57:18 AM

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.

Day by Day Armageddon.


Excellent series


Indeed! I can't wait for the next one to be released. I have already per-ordered it for my kindle, so it'll automagically come down the tubes the minute it is released. :D
 
2012-11-09 03:57:46 AM
I love World War Z. It is basically cliche to the zombie genre, but how it's told from the different stories and different points of view was very enjoyable. The audiobook was just amazing, and I love to throw it on to listen to while gaming from time to time.

That said, this movie has always looked bad. From the beginning of production it was meh, and then they pushed back the release by six months. Nothing good comes of pushing back a movie's release by half a year. That means really, really bad things needed to be fixed, and missing a deadline by that much pretty much means they needed to remake the entire movie.

I might catch this on DVD, but I'm disappointed with Hollywood. World War Z wasn't a movie book to begin with, it wasn't set up that way. As a mini series on HBO? That would have been the way to go. But this just looks terrible.
 
2012-11-09 03:58:59 AM
YOU CANNOT HAVE SUSPENSE AND FAST ZOMBIES.
 
2012-11-09 03:59:33 AM

Confabulat: Poe: looking forward to the unabridged audiobook

I don't know about the unabridged version, but the audiobook for WWZ makes a case for being better than the actual book reading experience.


So much this... that audio book ruined all other audio books for me. The fact that they had voice actors for all the parts as opposed to the author trying to do "feminine" voices" I had that on my ipod while I painted my house and let me tell you, best paint job ever! Also, once again, Mark Hamill nailed it!
 
2012-11-09 03:59:37 AM
EFF IT. WAIT FOR ZONE ONE
 
2012-11-09 04:13:58 AM

mamoru: fusillade762: Hive mind, you say? I'll just recommend this one again.

I just read that yesterday (I'm a fast reader). It was... pretty good. There was some WTFness, and occasional jumps or gaps in character development (e.g. Anne's flashback did not do a good job of portraying how she became who she is; despite all of the foreshadowing suggesting that it would). But, overall an entertaining read.

Looking forward to starting "Killing Floor" when I get home from work.


Agreed that Anne's evolution into hateful badassery could have been better explained. But hey, zombie apocalypse survivors in a farking BRADLEY? What's not to love? I'm really hoping for a third book.

Another one I enjoyed. A little on the slow side for a zombie book, what with the journalism and politics.

beatrice.com
 
2012-11-09 04:16:17 AM
art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-11-09 04:17:44 AM
i2.squidoocdn.com

/yes, the zombies are powered by magic/dark energy. Get over it, they're farking zombies.
 
2012-11-09 04:21:56 AM
Regardless of the truthiness of the movie to the source material (and having read WWZ, I can see my way to them telling another story from another perspective so long as they stay true to the world that was created, so I don't need a long movie with dozens of viginettes in it to be happy) - the movie looks bad.

I'm pretty sure that everyone expects this to be crap. As someone else said, they had numerous problems with shooting, delayed the movie in editing for months, reshot some scenes, and yes the CGI is craptastic.

It's probably not going to be a great flick. It might make back its money on the strength of Brad Pitt's name. Maybe.
 
2012-11-09 04:25:38 AM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


Intelligent like ants?
 
2012-11-09 04:27:14 AM
lessee... cgi hordes
fast zombies... also cgi...
flying around in helicopters like jack ryan

should we call this "Clear and Present I am iZombie Legend?"
 
2012-11-09 04:31:45 AM

Father_Jack: lessee... cgi hordes
fast zombies... also cgi...
flying around in helicopters like jack ryan

should we call this "Clear and Present I am iZombie Legend?"


no. It's "war of the zombie worlds".
 
2012-11-09 04:32:35 AM
I'm interested in seeing this for what it is at some point. Looks like it could be fun. However, it resembles its source material in much the same way that "I, Robot" did.
 
2012-11-09 04:34:30 AM

vrax: I'm interested in seeing this for what it is at some point. Looks like it could be fun. However, it resembles its source material in much the same way that "I, Robot" did.


Are you telling me that I, Robot wasn't faithful?

Asimov would be spinning in his space-grave if he found that out.
 
2012-11-09 04:36:19 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is funny to me. I didn't read the book, so to me it just looks like a you people are losing your shiat over nothing. Maybe the book was this awesome ride and they are totally ruining it, but I am getting a kick out of how people on the web are pillorying this trailer.

I personally hate fast zombie stories anyway.


The zombies in the book are slow, but that's just symptomatic of the overall problem. The protagonist of the book is basically just a narrator, a documentary filmmaker gathering stories about zombie outbreaks all over the globe. It talks about North Korea, the Middle East, Europe, how various armies react, even what happens to some astronauts in space during the outbreak.

This would have been great if they shot it like the beginning of District 9, instead of an explosion-heavy action film.
 
2012-11-09 04:38:09 AM

Shadow Blasko: fusillade762: I remember one book (can't remember which it was) where they tried to nuke the zombies and the radiation made them smarter and faster.

Day by Day Armageddon.


Excellent series


I loved the first one but the second book was so-so.

I loved The Rising/City of the Dead by Keene, very depressing with action and humor in it.
I'd also recommend Ex-heroes by P. Clines. Not a masterpiece but a fun read.
(I've just realized there's been a sequel to that one, I'm getting this right now).

/I'm half Scot and some scenes from WWZ were shot right down the place where one my aunts live. Got a nice picture of Brad Pitt somewhere - he was very cool with everyone, apparently.
They also brought a lot of youngsters from the surroundings to play zombie extras so, yes, a lot of the zombies you're going to see are going to be local neds.
 
2012-11-09 04:42:35 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: yet slow zombies don't cut mustard anymore because it turns out they're ridiculously easy to avoid/defeat.


In small numbers and for the time being, yes.

The things that make slow zombies so terrifying and difficult to survive is that they are untiring and utterly relentless. Once they start following, they do not stop, unless attracted to other prey. Once one gets a hold of you, it will not let go (despite having no more muscle strength than when they were living, they have the appearance of strength because their muscles don't tire). And their moans attract others to follow.

So, yeah, sure you can run away from that shambler who is moaning and stumbling along after you, but at some point you have to stop and rest and sleep. And when you wake up, you find that you surrounded by multitudes and are pretty much farked. The only thing you can do then is stay quiet and out of sight and hope someone else comes along and draws them away.

As someone living in Bangkok, a city of about 12 million, if there were a zombie apocalypse, even a slow one, I am pretty certain I'd soon be joining the undead ranks. They just overwhelm you with shear numbers and untiring pursuit.
 
2012-11-09 04:47:04 AM

Dancis_Frake: I loved the first one but the second book was so-so.


really? I liked the second one much better.

at least the section where he's trying to get back to Hotel 23.
 
2012-11-09 04:52:39 AM
Well... that's disappointing.
 
2012-11-09 04:52:51 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: vrax: I'm interested in seeing this for what it is at some point. Looks like it could be fun. However, it resembles its source material in much the same way that "I, Robot" did.

Are you telling me that I, Robot wasn't faithful?

Asimov would be spinning in his space-grave if he found that out.


As an original creation, it was decent. As "I, Robot"? Abomination!
 
2012-11-09 04:55:38 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: fast zombies don't make sense.


F*cking zombies don't make sense. Think how delicate the human knee is with blood and oxygen running to it constantly. Now think about a zombie knee after a week.

I can't even keep fruit fresh for three days in the summertime.

/zombie fanboy tears are delicious
//probably will turn me into a zombie
 
2012-11-09 05:08:10 AM

Dr.Zom: F*cking zombies don't make sense.


A lot of things that people find entertaining don't make sense. Superheroes, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, sensible politicians, spaceships flying like airplanes, etc etc.

It's called fiction, and it doesn't always have to make sense. :p
 
2012-11-09 05:09:08 AM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.

/Did not read the book, do not get the zombie hype
 
2012-11-09 05:10:25 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.


Are you familiar with the Republican Party?
 
2012-11-09 05:11:16 AM

Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.

Are you familiar with the Republican Party?


Hurrr hurrr hurrr. So sidesplittingly hilarious, not to mention original. Are you Dane Cook?
 
2012-11-09 05:11:38 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.


they are when there are a few billion of them.
 
2012-11-09 05:12:26 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.

Are you familiar with the Republican Party?

Hurrr hurrr hurrr. So sidesplittingly hilarious, not to mention original. Are you Dane Cook?


damn Confabulat. apparently you sniffed one out.
 
2012-11-09 05:13:40 AM

log_jammin: B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: Because foes that are complete morons are totally believable as threats to humanity.

Are you familiar with the Republican Party?

Hurrr hurrr hurrr. So sidesplittingly hilarious, not to mention original. Are you Dane Cook?

damn Confabulat. apparently you sniffed one out.


I don't know what that means. I'm not a Republican, if that's what you mean. I'm offended by lame partisan hackery on both sides.
 
2012-11-09 05:16:06 AM
Is there enough gravy for you babies to stick your heads in?
 
2012-11-09 05:17:38 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: . I'm offended by lame partisan hackery on both sides.


of course you are.

anyway, the idea that makes zombies "scary" isn't that they are fast, or smart, or even vicious. It's the sheer numbers. They are an unstoppable force, and now matter how many you kill there will always be more, and you won't ever find a safe place to hide from them. eventually what ever barriers you erect will fall.

and what movies like this never figure out, it's not about the zombies anyway. It's supposed to be about the people dealing with them.
 
2012-11-09 05:22:57 AM
Stay classy Fark. "I hate zombies, so I'm gonna come in and troll a zombie thread."

Dissapointed that its not closer to the source material, but I'll give it a chance and wait to hear what the critics have to say. A bit concerned at how 'clean' the zombies look. Half the fun of zombies is the freakish gore makeup, and missing and rotted body parts. These act more like rage virus victims from 28 Weeks Later.


I do give it credit though for actually showing the invasion. I've gotten so tired of zombie stories that only show the aftermath. Wrecked cars and tanks. But none of the actual combat.
 
2012-11-09 05:25:12 AM
I'm just going to pretend this is a Left 4 Dead movie. Looks like a good one.
 
2012-11-09 05:26:42 AM

Raharu: I like a mix of slow and fast, you don't know which is which, they are mixed in with each other...


nhbooksellers.com

Then I suggest the last story in this volume, "Love in the Time of Zombies". It's got your 28 Days type fast living zombie, but unless they're killed by a headshot, they get back up a few minutes later as Romero-esque shamblers. And it takes place about 100 years after the outbreak.
 
2012-11-09 05:31:22 AM

mamoru: Dr.Zom: F*cking zombies don't make sense.

A lot of things that people find entertaining don't make sense. Superheroes, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, sensible politicians, spaceships flying like airplanes, etc etc.

It's called fiction, and it doesn't always have to make sense. :p


Yeah, but generally those things develop a framework to explain away the harder-to-swallow ideas. Zombies just say, oh fark it, you like brain eating, right? The Walking Dead timeline is near on a year. Leave a steak out in the back yard for three days and get back to me.

Zombies are the perfect villains for a culture that's never been without refrigeration.

/zombies- white people problems
 
2012-11-09 05:36:49 AM

Dr.Zom: Zombies are the perfect villains for a culture that's never been without refrigeration.

/zombies- white people problems


you's trollin.
 
2012-11-09 05:37:13 AM
I love the book and easily consider it one of my favourites. However I'm so tired of the same zombie crap being churned out at the moment that this obvious PG13 car wreck actually looks fresh and new.

/I'll appologise next summer.
 
2012-11-09 05:43:55 AM
You know what World War Z would've great as?

Radio drama.
 
2012-11-09 05:50:36 AM

vrax: ... it resembles its source material in much the same way that "I, Robot" did.


Or... even more appropriate:

Coelacanth: I've been calling this train wreck Starship Zombies on account of what Hollywood did Robert Heinlein's book Starship Troopers...


THIS. Troopers was originally Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. Most of the production crew had never even heard of the book until mid-way into production and the director admits he's only ever read a couple chapters.

I don't know the story with WW:Z but Wikipedia says it was apparently adopted, the script was rewritten, then the third act was rewritten but never finished, then the entire script was rewritten again. So at best we're getting another Hollywood franken-script movie full of CGI.
 
2012-11-09 05:55:38 AM
What's the problem? Did Hollywood snap yet another contrarian mind?
 
2012-11-09 06:00:38 AM

Zombalupagus: THIS. Troopers was originally Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. Most of the production crew had never even heard of the book until mid-way into production and the director admits he's only ever read a couple chapters.


Verhoeven had enough respect for the author to lampoon the sh*t out of fascist nationalists.
 
2012-11-09 06:09:03 AM

thamike: Zombalupagus: THIS. Troopers was originally Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. Most of the production crew had never even heard of the book until mid-way into production and the director admits he's only ever read a couple chapters.

Verhoeven had enough respect for the author to lampoon the sh*t out of fascist nationalists.


Like Heinlein was.
 
2012-11-09 06:20:58 AM
The book isn't so much a story as it is a collection of cool things that happened. This looks like it will honor the book and also provide a narrative structure. I think it looks cool and it looks like it expands on the zombie stuff we've seen to date. I'll be there.
 
2012-11-09 06:34:11 AM

iron de havilland: /Hope they got an Old Firm match day too, for hordes of mindless zombies aimlessly wandering around.//Old Firm matches are a bit thin on the ground these days.///Being a sheep shagger, I'm allowed to criticise.


There's no shortage of zombie huns at the shiatpit these days.

/off for more jelly and ice cream
//mon the hoops
 
2012-11-09 06:34:31 AM

Coelacanth: You know what World War Z would've great as?

Radio drama.


They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.
 
2012-11-09 06:39:06 AM

Richard_The_Clown: Coelacanth: You know what World War Z would've great as?

Radio drama.

They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.


I agree, but the Walking Dead folks would say it's a rip off of that series. Just with more logistics in it. Still, man, that would've been an excellent mini-series.
 
2012-11-09 06:40:03 AM
Why I hated the trailer:

1. Cop gets flattened by truck we didn't see but he totally should have. Was it a ninja truck, barreling right through traffic in broad daylight? Oh, it's the old movie trope -- if it's just off-screen, it's invisible to the characters. Dumb, brainless action-movie trope.

2. Trailer ends with Brad assuring his family he's coming back, which is no doubt the case since he's Brad Pitt and the kids are cute so they ain't turning into zombie chow. So it's one of those things where millions die, but it's okay so long as the people we care about survive. This is the exact opposite of what zombie stories have been about, where death generally can happen to anybody.
 
2012-11-09 06:46:27 AM
I've seen a disturbing number of responses, last night and this morning, begin with "I haven't read the book, but I don't see what the big deal is."

Maybe you should read the farking book.
 
2012-11-09 06:49:42 AM
Zombies, vampires, zombies, vampires, oh there's a werewolf ... zombies, vampires, etc ...

Why not ghouls? Or re-animator/Frankenstein type thingies? How about something Lovecraftian? Ghosts that aren't imitations of asian ghosts. How about a Lich? Don't think I've seen that in a movie. Of course, it would be surrounded by hoards of zombies ... bleh.

The dialog in subby's trailer sounded like this to me:

"Daddy!"
"Honey!"
"Daddy!"
"Baby!"
"Daddy!"
(explosions)

IIRC the book had slow zombies, and they were dangerous because they clogged up everything. The most memorable part of the book IMO was the bit with the submarine with the zombies scratching the hull.
 
2012-11-09 06:52:33 AM
The movie isn't AIMED at people who read the book. Movies like this never are. It's a blow-shiat-up fest to entertain the masses in the summertime that the producers hope will make them some money. Period.
 
2012-11-09 06:52:45 AM

log_jammin: B.L.Z. Bub: . I'm offended by lame partisan hackery on both sides.

of course you are.

anyway, the idea that makes zombies "scary" isn't that they are fast, or smart, or even vicious. It's the sheer numbers. They are an unstoppable force, and now matter how many you kill there will always be more, and you won't ever find a safe place to hide from them. eventually what ever barriers you erect will fall.

and what movies like this never figure out, it's not about the zombies anyway. It's supposed to be about the people dealing with them.


I just find it difficult to believe the slow zombie threat. It works great short-term, but after that the remaining people would just slaughter them. There are just far too many ways to render slow zombies absolutely not a problem. They can't climb, operate locks, employ any sort of strategy....they just go straight towards noise or food. Meh.

If you make them smarter or faster or stronger, then it's easier to believe that they are an unstoppable force.
 
2012-11-09 06:54:56 AM
The book wouldn't work as a big-budget film. It would work as a mini-series or a survival horror video game far better.
I liked the book a great deal but it's what it is, a book about several slightly related events with little character development and lots of social commentary.
Great stuff but it doesn't translate to film all that well.

I don't care that this film has little to do with the book, I may of may not see it based upon word of mouth but not because it isn't faithful to the book.
 
2012-11-09 06:56:50 AM
Couldn't care less about the book and this looks farking epic.
 
2012-11-09 06:59:58 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I just find it difficult to believe the slow zombie threat. It works great short-term, but after that the remaining people would just slaughter them. There are just far too many ways to render slow zombies absolutely not a problem. They can't climb, operate locks, employ any sort of strategy....they just go straight towards noise or food. Meh.

If you make them smarter or faster or stronger, then it's easier to believe that they are an unstoppable force.


Too true. I was commenting to a buddy of mine yesterday that if the film went with slow zombies, the battle of Yonkers would have been 45 minutes of waiting for the horde to overcome the first salvo of artillery fire.

"Here they come!"

15 minutes later...

"They are almost here!"

15 minutes later...

"They are still coming!"

.....
 
2012-11-09 07:01:13 AM
iron de havilland:I couldn't watch that trailer without the niggling thought... "wasn't it filmed in Glasgow?"
Yes, it was.


Aye, but you know it's not really Glasgow because if it was a lot of the Zombies would be singing Harry Lauder songs.
 
2012-11-09 07:07:41 AM
I said it before and I'm saying it again, thankfully the UNABRIDGED audiobook, with the same, previous cast, is out early next year.
 
2012-11-09 07:08:38 AM
Fark you hive-mind haters. I think it looks cool.
 
2012-11-09 07:17:24 AM
As someone who literally finished the book yesterday all I can say is: f*ck you Brad Pitt.
 
2012-11-09 07:21:36 AM
You know, I'm not the biggest fan of vignette films but I think that might have been a way more interesting solution to filming this. Hand Windsor Castle to Danny Boyle, Quinton Tarantino or some kung-fu director the lone warrior, Battle of Yonkers to a more talented Michael Bay, and you may have a fun zombie apocalypse movie. Hell, do the merc of the stars as a straight up dark comedy.
 
2012-11-09 07:22:56 AM

Mugato: So why do we hate this now? Admittedly I'm a little zombied-out but this looks like it has good production values anyway.


I never read the book, I don't mind fast zombies but zombies that look like waves of water? That's a little over the top.
 
2012-11-09 07:29:15 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Mugato: So why do we hate this now? Admittedly I'm a little zombied-out but this looks like it has good production values anyway.

I never read the book, I don't mind fast zombies but zombies that look like waves of water? That's a little over the top.


Dude. Cascading wall of zombies.
 
2012-11-09 07:30:57 AM

KatjaMouse: Dude. Cascading wall of zombies.


Yea that was dumb looking. I really dislike slasher flicks where the mad killer just appears out of nowhere but the scary thing about zombie movies is they find cracks in your defenses slowly because of how unrelenting they are. It's supposed to take a long time because you're trying to survive and you let your guard down. Not Mount Zombie Opolis.
 
2012-11-09 07:34:19 AM
Zombies do not have super speed and super strength.
Zombies are not part spider, part monkey.
That is all.
 
2012-11-09 07:37:13 AM

KatjaMouse: As someone who literally finished the book yesterday all I can say is: f*ck you Brad Pitt.


I wouldn't throw too much blame Pitt's way on this. He reportedly bought the movie rights to WWZ because he was a fan of the book. Paramount seems a much more likely target for blame here, as issues with filming and cost overruns most likely led to them essentially taking over production of the film. Thus why all the changes with the script, and pushing it back from a December 2012 release to June 2013 (just in time for Summer Blockbuster season).

Paramount wants a significant return on their investment in WWZ, and if it means tearing the movie down into a generic action flick, then by Gawd that is exactly what they will do. Meanwhile, Brad Pitt gets left holding the bag on this one if it is a total stinker.
 
2012-11-09 07:40:23 AM
They should all look like the zombies from Dragon Quest.
 
2012-11-09 07:44:29 AM
wow..

the butthurt is strong in this thread...

"what this needs is Christian Bale as Admiral Prawn fighting Harrison Ford as Han Solo and JJ Abrams directing and..."

"but no one gives a shiat about your opinion and the flick is 80% in the can?"

"yeah but uh...uhm...(sighs...inhales a slurry of Mountain Dew and Cheetos from a 7-11 X-Men cup) I've written a 20 page treatment based on the trailer already and I'm posting it here on Fark because the "Twihard my pony fanfic crossover board" was closed and I KNOW HOW TO MAKE A BETTER MOVIE DAMMIT!"

"um..are you still employed at the post office?"

"yeah why?"


"you don't have any loaded guns in the house do you?"

"slllluuuuurrrrppppp"

i50.tinypic.com 


get a life or get a script /book deal.

otherwise, just be calm knowing Brad pitt is gonna take your money either at the theatre or VOD or DVD or whatever...

this looks like stupid fun to me either way and i usually imagine the zombies are the entitled internet whingers attacking... makes it more fun... 

as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"
 
2012-11-09 07:46:13 AM

Poe: I love WWZ. Read it multiple times, lent out my copy to multiple people and got them hooked, looking forward to the unabridged audiobook. I don't know what this is, but it isn't WWZ.

I'm not angry, just ...disappointed.


* watches clip *

Well, if Max Brooks sold his soul for this, I hope it was worth it...

/ probably not
 
2012-11-09 07:51:37 AM
Looks like the only thing they really borrowed from Max Brooks is the name. 
 
Then again, his book was mostly interviews with people who had already witnessed a zombie apocalypse and a description of what they had done wrong in dealing with an international zombie apocalypse. As a book, this was interesting and fascinating from an intellectual perspective. As a movie, it would have been a bit of a snoozer.
 
If Max Brooks himself is trusting the filmmakers to go nuts and extrapolate some of his story into an action movie, I'll go and check the movie out and judge it on its own merits.
 
2012-11-09 07:52:31 AM

Haliburton Cummings: get a life or get a script /book deal.


Are you seriously saying that if you aren't a writer you can't criticize any work of fiction?

I hope that's not what you're saying, 'cause that's farking crazy.
 
2012-11-09 07:52:39 AM
Read the book, but I am not one of those homos who bash something because it was made into a movie because I truly like Zombie movies and my expectations weren't all that high anyway when I heard Pitt was a part of this movie. However, I still wanted to see it....

....but after seeing that trailer and the dialog I think will be a part of that movie, this farking looks terrible. I mean Gigi terrible. I am honestly enraged that they made this movie now.

I probably wont go see it in the theaters, but maybe once it hits HBO or something...maybe, but if it is as bad as I think it will be, I see myself not watching it all they way through.

fark you for making this movie shiat.
 
2012-11-09 07:53:28 AM

Coelacanth: \ I've been calling this train wreck Starship Zombies on account of what Hollywood did Robert Heinlein's book Starship Troopers, but may God and St.Peter smack me if two of those scenes don't look like they were taken from the Starship Troopers movie.


There's coed showering in WWZ?

Forbidden Doughnut: Poe: I love WWZ. Read it multiple times, lent out my copy to multiple people and got them hooked, looking forward to the unabridged audiobook. I don't know what this is, but it isn't WWZ.

I'm not angry, just ...disappointed.

* watches clip *

Well, if Max Brooks sold his soul for this, I hope it was worth it...

/ probably not


Maybe his dad has one more genre parody film in him.

/WWZ: Zombies in Tights
 
2012-11-09 07:55:50 AM

One Bad Apple: WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly


They're obviously trying to be different from every other zombie movie out there, and probably bought
the rights just for the title.
 
2012-11-09 07:58:32 AM
Max should have just sold the movie rights to his Dad and we'd have Blazing Young Zombieballs and the hordes would be defeated by a perfectly-time fart.

Plus, it would be roughly as faithful to the source material as this looks to be.
 
2012-11-09 08:01:34 AM

Dogfacedgod: this farking looks terrible. I mean Gigi terrible.


Gigi... was a delightful musical romp and beloved.

Gigli was a cinematic blight.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:19 AM
Looks like ass.

Nice to see the ants from Indy &The Crystal Skull are still getting work...
 
2012-11-09 08:07:45 AM
stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2012-11-09 08:11:46 AM

Coelacanth: ShawnDoc: Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.

They're rebooting Starship Troopers with a script approved by the Heinlein estate,. It should be out for summer 2013.


That is the best news I've heard all morning. Never hand a film to a director that has nothing but open contempt for the work.
 
2012-11-09 08:12:36 AM

Lsherm: I'll watch it.

/F all of you.


Hey, if you've got enough money you can afford to waste it on bad movies, good for you.
 
2012-11-09 08:17:52 AM

SmackLT: Looks like the only thing they really borrowed from Max Brooks is the name. 
 
Then again, his book was mostly interviews with people who had already witnessed a zombie apocalypse and a description of what they had done wrong in dealing with an international zombie apocalypse. As a book, this was interesting and fascinating from an intellectual perspective. As a movie, it would have been a bit of a snoozer.
 


Yet, somehow, with another book, Hollywood got it right:

images.moviepostershop.com
 
2012-11-09 08:18:58 AM

Hilary T. N. Seuss: Why I hated the trailer:

1. Cop gets flattened by truck we didn't see but he totally should have. Was it a ninja truck, barreling right through traffic in broad daylight? Oh, it's the old movie trope -- if it's just off-screen, it's invisible to the characters. Dumb, brainless action-movie trope.

2. Trailer ends with Brad assuring his family he's coming back, which is no doubt the case since he's Brad Pitt and the kids are cute so they ain't turning into zombie chow. So it's one of those things where millions die, but it's okay so long as the people we care about survive. This is the exact opposite of what zombie stories have been about, where death generally can happen to anybody.


Agreed on both points. His last line is almost a parody of "I'll be back." And the BWWAAAAAM!!! sound effect is getting old.

Please bear in mind that these are only criticisms of the trailer. I will definitely watch the movie at some point. Hell, I'm such a sucker for zombie flicks that I watched most of this the other night:

www.chud.com
 
2012-11-09 08:21:33 AM
The book really wasn't that good. It had some good ideas, but it was very poorly written. As far as doing a faithful adaptation goes, an HBO miniseries could have been a vast improvment over the source material.
 
2012-11-09 08:24:58 AM

log_jammin: Dancis_Frake: I loved the first one but the second book was so-so.

really? I liked the second one much better.

at least the section where he's trying to get back to Hotel 23.


can't remember all the details but it left me with a Mad Max feeling which I found unwelcome. The first one was more of a How-To/self Help guide in case of a Zombie Apocalypse and the author's military background made it not only precise but also a treat for any red-blooded male. The second volume's very ending had me rolling my eyes.
I know this is weird coming from the same guy who recommends Ex-Heroes, seeing how goofy this one's story seems to be but DbDA2's ending was very unexpected considering the tone of the first one.
 
2012-11-09 08:26:34 AM
I've never read the book, so this looks like all kinds of awesome.
 
2012-11-09 08:29:36 AM
Obviously the whole movie takes place in a dream or something. How else do you explain the dump truck that manages to quietly sneak through a traffic jam to suddenly explode past our protagonist?
 
2012-11-09 08:35:05 AM
I was just thinking, we need more zombie movies.
 
2012-11-09 08:35:16 AM

Mentat: I'm willing to give this movie a chance. I know it doesn't follow the book and it's a little different from other works of zombie fiction but that doesn't mean-

Despite the third act footage that was already in the can, Prometheus writer Damon Lindelof was brought in to write a new ending - both literally and figuratively - for the venture.

God damnit.


As long as they're not rewriting it to give a cliche "happy" ending a la I Am Legend, it sounds fine. Prometheus was pretty good, minus a few dumb characters.
 
2012-11-09 08:43:48 AM
Sparkly Emo Vampires > Triathlete Zombies

The "super fast zombie" trend has got to stop. That's what makes zombies so farking scary ... slow, unrelenting, unyielding terror.
 
2012-11-09 08:51:20 AM
Anyone looking for a good zombie story should read "This book is full of spiders" (John Dies at the End #2). It is probably the best "zombie" book out in the last 5-6 years and manages to give a fresh look at a stale idea.
 
2012-11-09 08:52:52 AM
The Walking Dead disappointed me. I can understand how WWZ fans feel.
 
2012-11-09 08:54:13 AM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


I'm re-reading it now. There were some fast zombies, though most were slow.
 
2012-11-09 08:55:57 AM
i520.photobucket.com

Needs more CGI
 
2012-11-09 09:04:08 AM

Pocket Ninja: If everyone involved in making, supporting, and watching this movie was run over by a truck tomorrow, I think we'd wake up the day after to a far better world.


Can't agree with that more, honestly. My wife and I just spent a few weeks reading the book (I've been reading it aloud to her, a vignette or two at a time, before bed), and this looks like yet another "hey, they know the title, so let's incorporate just a tiny bit of the book's theme and stomp all over the friggin' rest of it" movie.

It's "Hitchhiker's Guide To Zombies."
 
2012-11-09 09:04:26 AM
I've never read the book so I have no idea what the disappointment is about. Looks to me like a typically shiat action-zombie blockbuster with zero brains that aren't just being eaten.

Pass.
 
2012-11-09 09:05:24 AM

elvindeath: Sparkly Emo Vampires > Triathlete Zombies

The "super fast zombie" trend has got to stop. That's what makes zombies so farking scary ... slow, unrelenting, unyielding terror.


Yep. Implacable, inexorable evil. If I want fast-moving, devouring hordes, I'll move to New York for next year's "Running Of The Subway Rats."
 
2012-11-09 09:20:39 AM
Zombies are stupid. All of them. So fncking sick of zombies. Just stop it already. All of you!
 
2012-11-09 09:27:50 AM

Haliburton Cummings:
as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"


Well, that rules you out.

/Your post is GARBAGE!
//Looks like James Scameron has an alt
 
2012-11-09 09:32:44 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: [i520.photobucket.com image 180x250]

Needs more CGI


Punchable face posterboy.
 
2012-11-09 09:36:41 AM
That doesn't look interesting at all.
 
2012-11-09 09:40:33 AM
Someone said it earlier. but I like the whole notion that virally created zombies arent necessarily faster because they get some supernatural burst of speed but that they dont have any sort of mental limitations to their physical prowess. Theyre as fast as a fast human but will run faster and longer because they are unconcerned about the damage they are doing to their body. eventually as the body deteriorates they succumb to shambling.
 
2012-11-09 09:49:31 AM
I'll wait for the home release so I can download it instead. Doesn't look like they deserve my money, and I'm not saying that as a fan of the book. I haven't read the book yet. It just looks like the Day After Tomorrow of zombie flicks.
 
2012-11-09 09:52:41 AM

TheOriginalEd: Someone said it earlier. but I like the whole notion that virally created zombies arent necessarily faster because they get some supernatural burst of speed but that they dont have any sort of mental limitations to their physical prowess. Theyre as fast as a fast human but will run faster and longer because they are unconcerned about the damage they are doing to their body. eventually as the body deteriorates they succumb to shambling.


Makes some sense but the brain keeps the body going at the most basic of levels. There's no adrenaline burst but they do have the bite strength of a pit bull.
 
2012-11-09 09:56:23 AM
Things I learned from this trailer:

Brad Pitt's a family man.
Garbage trucks are dangerous.
Shoot the lemmings.
Crowd surfing is out of control.

What zombies?
 
2012-11-09 10:07:53 AM
This is why I don't read books. I get to enjoy ALOT more movies.
 
2012-11-09 10:09:28 AM
Hey Joe, you know that fluid simulator you made as your art-school class project? Can we replace the water with ZOMBIES?! That'd be awesome.
 
2012-11-09 10:10:52 AM
Imagine if the Lord of the Rings movies had not been about the Fellowship but instead the life of a soldier in Gondor before/during/after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields with a few passing mentions of some halfling on some quest. That's close to what they have done with WWZ from the looks of the trailer.
 
2012-11-09 10:11:42 AM
So, without reading the whole thread... anyone suggest some good zombie novels?
 
2012-11-09 10:17:02 AM
Did Tom Cruise turn down the lead role for this CG crap-fest?

/ goddamnitsomuch indeed, subby.
 
2012-11-09 10:17:50 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU!
 
2012-11-09 10:18:19 AM

Mugato: GAT_00: I can only hope this will finally cause Zombie Overkill and people let the whole damn thing die.

Well The Walking Dead has really good ratings but yeah, the genre is a bot over saturated. How many times can you tell the same story about zombies and survivors who are mostly assholes?


zombieresearchsociety.com
foodtruckfiesta.com

This is where i bought lunch yesterday, so getting a kick about over-zombificiation ...
 
2012-11-09 10:18:39 AM

Mugato: So why do we hate this now? Admittedly I'm a little zombied-out but this looks like it has good production values anyway.


Because it has as much in common with the original story as The Lawnmower Man.

/sigh
 
2012-11-09 10:21:16 AM

Archimedes' Principal: Did Tom Cruise turn down the lead role for this CG crap-fest?

/ goddamnitsomuch indeed, subby.


Brad Pitt was apparently a huge fan of the book and bought the rights to it. The only way he could get funding for it from Paramount was if he scrapped his original script, which was apparently closer to the book, and make it into an action movie. Know how I would have liked to have seen it? 3 action set pieces: The great panic (which looks like this movie is about mostly); The Battle of Yonkers; the later strategies of professional and civilian soldiers winning the war.

There. I cut out all of the "boring" political, human interest stuff. I even cut out the blind lone warrior who got all Samurai on the zombies.
 
2012-11-09 10:34:47 AM

Marisyana: The movie isn't AIMED at people who read the book. Movies like this never are. It's a blow-shiat-up fest to entertain the masses in the summertime that the producers hope will make them some money. Period.


That's fine, but then call the movie something else. What was shown in the trailer is so far removed from the book that they could re-name the movie and Max Brooks would not have a case to sue for plagiarism.

But if you're right and this is for folks who did not read the book, then why buy the rights in the first place?
 
2012-11-09 10:37:19 AM
I'm optimistic. This might be a great movie. However, I don't doubt that it will be a terrible World War Z movie.
 
2012-11-09 10:44:01 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is funny to me. I didn't read the book, so to me it just looks like a you people are losing your shiat over nothing.


This. Anyone thinking they could do the book justice is fooling themselves.....again over a movie made from a book.
This is like the Godzilla movie with Brodrick. Change the name and you'd have a fun summer movie.

Bathia_Mapes: classic slow zombies.


Never understood this argument. The very first zombie we farking see in Night of the Living Dead, runs.

Zombie Eater: I'll wait for the home release so I can download it instead. Doesn't look like they deserve my money,


Wow. "I hate you. Give me your stuff for free".
Nice.
 
2012-11-09 10:45:24 AM
I liked the book.

This movie obviously has nothing to do with the book.

I don't think the trailer was that bad.

They should just rename the movie and make a World War Z mini series.
 
2012-11-09 10:51:47 AM

Bag of Hammers: Marisyana: The movie isn't AIMED at people who read the book. Movies like this never are. It's a blow-shiat-up fest to entertain the masses in the summertime that the producers hope will make them some money. Period.

That's fine, but then call the movie something else. What was shown in the trailer is so far removed from the book that they could re-name the movie and Max Brooks would not have a case to sue for plagiarism.

But if you're right and this is for folks who did not read the book, then why buy the rights in the first place?


Name recognition. Everyone knows a nerd who likes and has mentioned the book.
 
2012-11-09 10:52:02 AM
Looks more like the movie version of The Passage to me.
 
2012-11-09 10:54:16 AM

Zombie DJ:
Bathia_Mapes: classic slow zombies.

Never understood this argument. The very first zombie we farking see in Night of the Living Dead, runs.


Romero intended them to be ghouls, not zombies. Pop culture determined otherwise.
/Jason didn't shamble until F13 part3
//Pinhead didn't have a name in Hellraiser
 
2012-11-09 11:10:15 AM
How to stop the zombie apocalypse? Easy:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-09 11:25:22 AM

One Bad Apple: WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly


Pretty much this. That's just reedickoulous.
 
2012-11-09 11:27:32 AM

exploding pork: I'm optimistic. This might be a great movie. However, I don't doubt that it will be a terrible World War Z movie.


This. I'm intrigued by the global disaster take on the genre as opposed to the 5 douchebags on the run where 3 of them die formula.
 
2012-11-09 11:39:34 AM
Ignoring that the movie has absolutely nothing in common with the book...

While zombies as swarming fire ants is... perhaps an interesting idea to explore, it has it's flaws in that I'm not sure human bodies, even crazy zombie human bodies, could generate that much speed and momentum to crash like a tidal wave.

Also, zombies that turn almost instantly after infection (as shown in prior released footage) wouldn't be a worldwide problem. They could easily overwhelm a landmass, but then what? In the book people would turn after the infection killed them slowly, often not even showing symptoms right away, which allowed for infected to board planes and boats. But that couldn't happen with these.

In the book, the zombies could survive under water (and more or less lined the bottom of the ocean eventually), but only because they were undead; they didn't need to breathe. The zombies in the trailer don't look really undead. It's hard to imagine a dead body reanimated moving that fast, even if an infected living body could. So odds are these would fark up one contiinent at most and then be done for, unless the infection happened simultaneously in different parts of the world, which would mean either it was created and released by a villain (which is lame) or a world-wide natural occurance (in which case why are there people who aren't infected?).

Also, this might be because of trailer editing that doesn't actually match the movie, but there was an entire line of traffic to the right of Brad Pitt's car, which somehow vanished with the truck that smashed into the bike cop.
 
2012-11-09 11:51:06 AM

mamoru: Raharu: I like a mix of slow and fast, you don't know which is which, they are mixed in with each other...

The Morningstar Strain trilogy handled this well (I'm sure other books have as well, but this one is fresh in mind): the infection doesn't kill you, so the still living infected are fast "Runners". However, if their body dies, they reanimate as slow "Shamblers". Seems sensible and consistent to me, and makes for a more interesting story overall by varying the threats.

IIRC, in WWZ, the zombies start out as reasonably mobile, not fast because of lack of good coordination, but not entirely slow, either. They slow down as their bodies deteriorate. I think... I may be misremembering because I've been reading a lot of zombie books lately. I've been on a bit of a kick.


My girlfriend and I had a funny conversation after watching Walking Dead this week, about how non-threatening zombies would actually become after time. Even starting out, human incisors and jaw do not seem well equipped for biting off hunks of other people, especially people that aren't going to sit still while you do it. And through a layer of clothing? We don't exactly have the fangs of a predator.

And then, after spending time with their bodies rotting, we figured a zombie trying to take a bite out of you would find that its rotting flesh with the consistency of ever-softening cheese would not win against your living flesh, and their teeth might just as easily fall out instead of succeeding in breaking your skin (or again, clothing).

Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.
 
2012-11-09 11:51:29 AM

HallsOfMandos: Imagine if the Lord of the Rings movies had not been about the Fellowship but instead the life of a soldier in Gondor before/during/after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields with a few passing mentions of some halfling on some quest. That's close to what they have done with WWZ from the looks of the trailer.


That actually would make an awesome movie.
 
2012-11-09 12:03:38 PM
I love people that say "quit whining" and "suck it up".

This is the Interwebs. WTF else is it good for?
 
2012-11-09 12:05:06 PM
Oh, and once the police officer was mowed down perfectly in front of Pitt, I decided that this movie was eve too stupid for me to watch.

And I watched Evil Bong this week.
 
2012-11-09 12:06:26 PM

solyhhit: I love people that say "quit whining" and "suck it up".

This is the Interwebs. WTF else is it good for?


Cat pictures and porn.
 
2012-11-09 12:09:55 PM

Gunther: Haliburton Cummings: get a life or get a script /book deal.

Are you seriously saying that if you aren't a writer you can't criticize any work of fiction?

I hope that's not what you're saying, 'cause that's farking crazy.


no
 
2012-11-09 12:11:13 PM
My opinion of zombie movies.
cbsy98.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-09 12:12:16 PM

Vash's Apprentice: Haliburton Cummings:
as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"

Well, that rules you out.

/Your post is GARBAGE!
//Looks like James Scameron has an alt


looks like you are a fool. a quick perusal shows you are butthurt by being owned in previous threads by this Scameron fellow.

nice to see you have so much to add to these threads.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:26 PM
So why are people saying the CGI is bad? Because they can tell its fake? Does that mean that the only good CGI is something which can't be distinguished from real life? Cuz that's pretty stupid, and makes some of you sound really entitled. Its a freaking zombie movie, with fast zombies. Besides, CGI looks just fine to me, and probably worked far better for them considering what they were trying to do with the giant waves of zombies etc. I think you're just mad they didn't stick to the book, and are looking for unnecessary reasons to hate it. The changes to the story should be enough, I would think.

/Wished they had stuck to the book, even though I haven't read it.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:49 PM

burndtdan: My girlfriend and I had a funny conversation after watching Walking Dead this week, about how non-threatening zombies would actually become after time. Even starting out, human incisors and jaw do not seem well equipped for biting off hunks of other people, especially people that aren't going to sit still while you do it. And through a layer of clothing? We don't exactly have the fangs of a predator.


Excellent point. Human teeth are hard enough to maintain even while healthy ( granted, our diet is largely to blame). If zombified, I'd probably be a threat to a dozen people at most, before the teeth fall out.

Then, I imagine I'd just try to gum people...

/ zombies wouldn't have bite inhibitions, which prevent us from damaging our teeth...
 
2012-11-09 12:24:27 PM

AntonChigger: So why are people saying the CGI is bad? Because they can tell its fake? Does that mean that the only good CGI is something which can't be distinguished from real life? Cuz that's pretty stupid, and makes some of you sound really entitled. Its a freaking zombie movie, with fast zombies. Besides, CGI looks just fine to me, and probably worked far better for them considering what they were trying to do with the giant waves of zombies etc. I think you're just mad they didn't stick to the book, and are looking for unnecessary reasons to hate it. The changes to the story should be enough, I would think.

/Wished they had stuck to the book, even though I haven't read it.


In all honesty I'm not sure the book would translate well to film if they were super faithful to it.
 
2012-11-09 12:29:26 PM

SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.


This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

www.fas.org

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

static6.businessinsider.com

And this is how they're deployed:

www.ausairpower.net

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.
 
2012-11-09 12:32:58 PM

burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.


In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)
 
2012-11-09 12:36:42 PM

verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.
 
2012-11-09 12:37:04 PM

mamoru: burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.

In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)


So basically the virus is magic. It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse. VIRUSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

I would honestly prefer the magic explanation to a bogus pseudoscientific one.
 
2012-11-09 12:40:09 PM

verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

[www.fas.org image 800x327]

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

And this is how they're deployed:

[www.ausairpower.net image 760x574]

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


Listen or read that part again.

The JDAM's totally blow the shiat out 4,000 or so zombies.

That left about 800,000 behind them... and the ordinance was gone. That was the problem.

They tried to shock and awe something that could be neither shocked, nor awed.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:04 PM

nitefallz: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.


And that's because Brooks didn't bother to go read about what smart bombs can do. Nothing gets up if there's nothing left to get up. The problem is he portrays it like most of them would be intact, or perfectly blown in half so they could continue walking or dragging themselves. Bodies are mangled in these explosions, sometimes vaporized. You'd have a few who'd have their legs blown off, but many would be missing all four limbs, or just have one arm and one leg, making them totally immobile other than rolling towards their target. Any part of the horde close enough to the blast itself though would be piles of bits and parts.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:07 PM

Haliburton Cummings: Vash's Apprentice: Haliburton Cummings:
as someone smart once said, "be the change you want to see in the world"

Well, that rules you out.

/Your post is GARBAGE!
//Looks like James Scameron has an alt

looks like you are a fool. a quick perusal shows you are butthurt by being owned in previous threads by this Scameron fellow.

nice to see you have so much to add to these threads.


img696.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-09 12:43:36 PM

nitefallz: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote
the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Not really in the mood to argue but the book specifically addresses this. For any zombie not completely blown to smithereens, or goo, it continues to advance. The damage from concussion waves and shrapnel do minimal damage to the horde.


The book DOES NOT address this. Penetrating the cranium with an axe kills a zombie. But shattering/vaporizing the cranium with high explosives or penetrating it with shrapnel don't kill them? It's stupid. But it fit into the various social and political themes and messages he wanted to advance, so he wrote around it.

No harm, no foul. It's entertainment, not journalism or science.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:03 PM

Shadow Blasko: verbaltoxin: SwissArmyGnome: Imagine the tension: The US Army stages their stand in Yonkers. The horde is funneling towards them, slowly, slowly. The jets fly overhead and deploy the flechette bombs. The horde keeps coming, slowly.

This is where the books lost me. Max Brooks didn't even bother to do basic miliary research for his novel.

Ever see a JDAM? It looks like this.

[www.fas.org image 800x327]

And when it blows up, it looks like this.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

And this is how they're deployed:

[www.ausairpower.net image 760x574]

No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

Listen or read that part again.

The JDAM's totally blow the shiat out 4,000 or so zombies.

That left about 800,000 behind them... and the ordinance was gone. That was the problem.

They tried to shock and awe something that could be neither shocked, nor awed.


That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

My point is to buy into the tension of the book, you have to accept the premise that the zombies are more powerful than they really are, and the humans are dumber than they really are. Zombie literature doesn't work if you don't automatically assume the worst of humanity at the beginning of the outbreak. It is a worst-case scenario after all.

Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:24 PM

One Bad Apple: WTF was with the climbing pile of zombies ? I don't waarrgarble about the fast vs slow zombies but I draw the line at army ant zombies.

That's just silly


I couldn't find a way to properly word what I thought was wrong with it, but you said it perfectly. Thank you.
 
2012-11-09 12:49:43 PM
For what it's worth, I didn't see army ant zombies in the trailer so much as blindly zealous ones, willing to stampede each other en masse to reach one, simple goal. I take it these zombies will see a weak point in something, or notice something obvious - "Hey, all the other zombies are piling atop each other! There must be food there!" - and scramble over each other to get at it. It's a low form of intelligence but not much more than that.
 
2012-11-09 12:50:17 PM

verbaltoxin: No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.


He actually covered it in great detail. What normally kills people with HE bombs are pressure waves and fire. Those things don't do much to a zombie. You have to destroy the brain, period. At the battle of Yonkers they used a ton of bombs, rockets, and artillery, but they have a much lower kill-ratio within 50' of the explosion. The soldiers were also still aiming for the center of mass (as they have been trained since forever) instead of the head. Tank shells had the same problem - almost no zombie kills. Even machine guns had low kill-rates because they have to hit the head. Firing into a mass of zombies is unlikely to get headshots.
 
2012-11-09 12:54:18 PM

verbaltoxin: Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.


I'm cool with what you are saying.

In fact, one of the reasons I like Day By Day Armageddon so much is because it is written by an officer in the military who works HARD to get that kind of stuff right.

But, back to Yonkers...

The author says "If we would have had more of those, it would have been great"

That was the whole point. They brought out all the toys, but only a few of each. It was a show for the media and they used "scare the enemy into going home" tactics against a mindless opponent.

Wainio says several times when recounting Yonkers that they COULD have wiped out almost all of the Z's with JDAMS and other ordinance, but the brass was clueless about how to fight the undead, and instead didn't supply them with the proper ammo, or enough ordinance to do it for more than 30 minutes.

He also says they had the tools do to it properly, but with stupid crap like LANwarrior and unneeded protective gear that was just there because they had to justify having it.. it became a clusterfark.
 
2012-11-09 12:56:15 PM

verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.


No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.
 
2012-11-09 12:57:18 PM
that's the weirdest perfume ad ive ever seen.
 
2012-11-09 01:01:35 PM

verbaltoxin: It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse.


Assuming we can hand-wave away the fact that the virus reanimates the dead... why is it so hard to believe that it would preserve the corpse? I mean, if the corpse is reanimated, is it so hard to believe that the immune system is still functioning?

I don't think it really takes much suspension of disbelief...
 
2012-11-09 01:02:07 PM

madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.


Really. And you have the research papers on zombies to prove this? No, because none exist, since this is a work of fiction.

Get a grip, dude, I already admitted up-thread it was just a difference of opinion.
 
2012-11-09 01:08:45 PM

Honest Bender: verbaltoxin: It's a magic virus that reanimates the dead and then preserves the corpse.

Assuming we can hand-wave away the fact that the virus reanimates the dead... why is it so hard to believe that it would preserve the corpse? I mean, if the corpse is reanimated, is it so hard to believe that the immune system is still functioning?

I don't think it really takes much suspension of disbelief...


Then if it's reanimated and still partially functioning, it needs fuel (food) to keep functioning. Brooks states in both his zombie books how they don't digest any of the food they eat. So the virus basically survives based on..what, exactly? It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food, the total opposite of everything a virus looks for in a host. A virus only exists to find a new host, but a dead body is just about the worst host ever. A host may die in the process, but that's no concern to the virus, the host just needs to function long enough for the virus to propagate.

If a virus is reanimating the dead, it's already doing a bunch of unnecessary work. It has to revive the body, keep it functional, stave off decay, and find a new host, all while the host is decomposing and doesn't do anything to keep itself alive or functional. Zombies are clumsy, stupid and do nothing to ensure their physical integrity.
 
2012-11-09 01:15:32 PM

verbaltoxin: It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food


Maybe it's not decaying. Maybe it's just eating the host. Alternatively, maybe the virus keeps the host alive, the host eats, and the virus eats the food. Or is that too close to the zombie digesting? I mean, I can come up with an explanation for just about anything. It's just a matter of how much disbelief you're willing to suspend.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:24 PM
What the fark was that? I guess they decided that only using the title of the book as the title of the movie was close enough.
 
2012-11-09 01:16:46 PM
For some reason, I got curious if they ever made a zombie love story ala Twilight. Hit google and found a book and a movie coming out next year called Warm Bodies. I wonder who the next group will be? Sandworms? Cthulhu?
 
2012-11-09 01:23:36 PM

Shadow Blasko: verbaltoxin: Look I'm going to chalk it up to differences of opinion here. I'm just saying I didn't really buy the author's explanations.

I'm cool with what you are saying.

In fact, one of the reasons I like Day By Day Armageddon so much is because it is written by an officer in the military who works HARD to get that kind of stuff right.

But, back to Yonkers...

The author says "If we would have had more of those, it would have been great"

That was the whole point. They brought out all the toys, but only a few of each. It was a show for the media and they used "scare the enemy into going home" tactics against a mindless opponent.

Wainio says several times when recounting Yonkers that they COULD have wiped out almost all of the Z's with JDAMS and other ordinance, but the brass was clueless about how to fight the undead, and instead didn't supply them with the proper ammo, or enough ordinance to do it for more than 30 minutes.

He also says they had the tools do to it properly, but with stupid crap like LANwarrior and unneeded protective gear that was just there because they had to justify having it.. it became a clusterfark.


And I have another book on my Wishlist. Thank you, Shadow Blasko.

Honest Bender: verbaltoxin: It's using a host that's decaying and can't digest food

Maybe it's not decaying. Maybe it's just eating the host. Alternatively, maybe the virus keeps the host alive, the host eats, and the virus eats the food. Or is that too close to the zombie digesting? I mean, I can come up with an explanation for just about anything. It's just a matter of how much disbelief you're willing to suspend.


Yep, and that's what these discussions eventually break down to: artistic license and interpretation.
 
2012-11-09 01:25:03 PM

madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.


I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized
 
2012-11-09 01:27:08 PM

AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized


A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.
 
2012-11-09 01:30:07 PM
I enjoyed the HELL out of the book.

I like to read. What's wrong with being fairly well read, again?

WWZ could/would have made an awesome miniseries as it's been mentioned umpteenth times already. It's just too vast of a narrative to condense down into a script for a 120-150 minute long movie.

Anyone following the development of this film shouldn't be surprised AT ALL about what it's turned into. We all knew it wouldn't be what we'd hoped it could be but it's no less disappointing to see our worst fears materialized.

I will NOT be paying theater prices to see this.

/always read the book before seeing the movie if possible
 
2012-11-09 01:30:09 PM

Wretschko: Then she double-crushed me for the rest of the night by adding, "Super speed zombies!? That sucks...Oh, by the way, did you watch the DVR'ed Walking Dead? I CANNOT believe (Bleep!) and (Bleep!) died!"


God, at least she waited until Thursday. This one stupid biatch posted about it on Facebook at 10:05 Monday night, and then refused to apologize when a bunch of us called her out. ("That's how I roll with the Walking Dead," she said. Translation? "I'm a self-centered biatch.")
 
2012-11-09 01:31:36 PM

verbaltoxin: And I have another book on my Wishlist. Thank you, Shadow Blasko.


I think you will enjoy it.

The audiobooks are fantastic as well.
 
2012-11-09 01:32:30 PM

nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.


Isn't the brain an internal organ. I guess I can just chalk it up to coagulated blood and concussion proof zombie brains that survive concussion blasts from large explosives but not a direct baseball bat to the head... wait. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure a blast wave like would pulp the brain. That being said, I love zombies as much as the next guy, so I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief, but it makes it harder when the writer is trying so hard to be real.
 
2012-11-09 01:38:47 PM

AntonChigger: nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.

Isn't the brain an internal organ. I guess I can just chalk it up to coagulated blood and concussion proof zombie brains that survive concussion blasts from large explosives but not a direct baseball bat to the head... wait. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure a blast wave like would pulp the brain. That being said, I love zombies as much as the next guy, so I'm more than willing to suspend my disbelief, but it makes it harder when the writer is trying so hard to be real.


I understand the irony in trying to be scientifically and factually accurate when discussing zombies, however:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury

Doesn't seem to indicate the brain receiving much injury from blasts, or at least not enough to cause catastrophic brain injury as required to kill them.
 
2012-11-09 01:42:20 PM

Lsherm: I'll watch it.

/F all of you.


My thoughts exactly.

Is it the book? no.

will i see it? yes.

will it suck on its own? we'll see.
 
2012-11-09 01:44:58 PM

hubiestubert: Coelacanth: ShawnDoc: Starship Troopers was a horrible adaptation, but a fun movie on its own. Really became timely after 9/11 and the propaganda leading up to our invasion of Iraq.

They're rebooting Starship Troopers with a script approved by the Heinlein estate,. It should be out for summer 2013.

That is the best news I've heard all morning. Never hand a film to a director that has nothing but open contempt for the work.


Hold onto your enthusiasm. From the wiki page:

" Neal H. Moritz, producer of films such as The Fast and the Furious series and I Am Legend, announced plans to do a remake of the film that promises to be more faithful to the source material." 

/It's doomed.
 
2012-11-09 01:46:18 PM

nitefallz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury


"Thus, the majority of prior research focused on the mechanisms of blast injuries within gas-containing organs/organ systems such as the lungs, while primary blast-induced traumatic brain injury has remained underestimated"

This speaks to a lack of study into traumatic brain injury in blast injury, not a low occurrance of it. There has to be more study into that factor to explain what explosive force does to the brain. It is plausible to say it injures the brain though, considering there's enough force exerted to disrupt other organs. People end up with dementia from too many tackles in football. Why couldn't an explosion critically injure someone's brain?

/It's artistic interpretation, folks.
 
2012-11-09 01:49:13 PM

vartian: Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.

If zombies can talk, we're all dead.


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-11-09 01:51:03 PM
Alas, what could have been... 

www.goodwp.com
 
2012-11-09 02:03:53 PM

mamoru: burndtdan: Of course that wouldn't really make for good horror, but it would be really comical to see a zombie movie where they try to bite a guy through his shirt and jacket and just end up caving in their face.

In most of the zombie books I've read, there's usually a part discussing concern that the bodies of the undead aren't decaying as rapidly as they should and speculation that the virus is preserving them somehow. In WWZ, I think they partially explain it as the virus killing any bacteria that would normally help decompose a corpse.

So, while you do make a good point, it's worth pointing out that often they at least try to explain that. :)


I'm actually personally satisfied just suspending disbelief about the subject entirely for the sake of the horror element, but it was just a funny thing to think about.
 
2012-11-09 02:22:20 PM

madgonad: verbaltoxin: No zombies get up from that. What you have is a pile of rubble and zombie goo. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in about half an hour, with humans the victor. Brooks made the military dumber so the tension would be greater. Then he went and wrote the part about the Army using line infantry tactics to fight the zombies.

He actually covered it in great detail. What normally kills people with HE bombs are pressure waves and fire. Those things don't do much to a zombie. You have to destroy the brain, period. At the battle of Yonkers they used a ton of bombs, rockets, and artillery, but they have a much lower kill-ratio within 50' of the explosion. The soldiers were also still aiming for the center of mass (as they have been trained since forever) instead of the head. Tank shells had the same problem - almost no zombie kills. Even machine guns had low kill-rates because they have to hit the head. Firing into a mass of zombies is unlikely to get headshots.


Yeah, and his great detail is so wrong. I like the book, but I really had to get past some serious disbelief to read it.

An AC-130, cluster bombs, napalm, and tanks running over the hoard destroy the hoard. Cluster bombs don't mysteriously miss hitting the head with fragments. Look at war pictures sometime and see all the head trauma. Nevermind the number of citizens that will get together and pick off zombies. Any tactic used at the back of the book would have been used at the front. Tell a group of soldiers to only do head shots and they will.

Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.
 
2012-11-09 02:45:52 PM

Vash's Apprentice: Zombie DJ:
Bathia_Mapes: classic slow zombies.

Never understood this argument. The very first zombie we farking see in Night of the Living Dead, runs.


Romero intended them to be ghouls, not zombies. Pop culture determined otherwise.
/Jason didn't shamble until F13 part3
//Pinhead didn't have a name in Hellraiser


And zombies didn't specifically eat brains until Dan O'Bannon's 'Return of the Living Dead'.

...which was awesome.
 
2012-11-09 02:47:08 PM
random zombie recommendation

Since that's far more use of this thread than talking about the abortion of a movie.
 
2012-11-09 02:50:15 PM
See Libs, this is the shiat that happens when you reelect 0bummer. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-11-09 02:59:35 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: random zombie recommendation

Since that's far more use of this thread than talking about the abortion of a movie.


I checked the link. Don't care for the synopsis. However I'm pretty pissed that the kindle version is $9.99 while the rest of the print versions are much cheaper. Seriously, what the fark is going on here?
 
2012-11-09 03:15:25 PM

mccoma: Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.


Again, part of the argument in the book is also that generals who are accustomed to traditional warfare and traditional enemies may be slow on the uptake for this. How instead of taking advantage of the evacuated apartment and office buildings they are left to be on street level with the hoard. Not to mention panic being the other 'infection' in this book.
 
2012-11-09 03:25:07 PM
My friend linked this to me last night. Severe disappointment was shared.

If Max Brooks signed off on or worked on this... he's committed a severe disservice to his fan-base at best, and a crime at worst.

Fast zombies... no. It's not supposed to be action packed, it's supposed to be dreadful slow suspense. The terror and psychologically taxing slowness of the inevitable demise of everything and everyone you know, love, and care about.
 
2012-11-09 03:56:24 PM

Saberus Terras: My friend linked this to me last night. Severe disappointment was shared.

If Max Brooks signed off on or worked on this... he's committed a severe disservice to his fan-base at best, and a crime at worst.


I may be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works. I believe unless the author is asked to work on the movie, its more like, "Hi, we're from Paramount. Here's five million dollars for the film rights to your book. K? Thanx. Now shut up and GTFO, we have a screenplay to write."
 
2012-11-09 03:58:57 PM

KatjaMouse: mccoma: Hell, a group of army or marine snipers perched on buildings with a decent supply of ammo (not that lame excuse from the book - we have ammo in real life) would end a great majority of the problem.

The book was a good tale, but not anywhere near realistic. If a bullet to the head kills a zombie, then the US Military has a lot of stuff that will put a chunk of metal in the head just as well.

Again, part of the argument in the book is also that generals who are accustomed to traditional warfare and traditional enemies may be slow on the uptake for this. How instead of taking advantage of the evacuated apartment and office buildings they are left to be on street level with the hoard. Not to mention panic being the other 'infection' in this book.


Yeah, and that part of the book's premise is just so much crud, particularly after explaining that the troops and vehicles were just back from the middle east. The fighting of zombies as portrayed in the book is an order of magnitude easier than the warfare in the middle east. Zombies don't build IEDs or shoot back. It would actually be a simple military problem.

AC-130 - there is no substitute
 
2012-11-09 04:02:07 PM

Zombalupagus: THIS. Troopers was originally Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. Most of the production crew had never even heard of the book until mid-way into production and the director admits he's only ever read a couple chapters.

I don't know the story with WW:Z but Wikipedia says it was apparently adopted, the script was rewritten, then the third act was rewritten but never finished, then the entire script was rewritten again. So at best we're getting another Hollywood franken-script movie full of CGI.


I met director Paul Verhoeven in Las Vegas when he was filming ST. He was already in the dog house here because of Showgirls. Totally pretentious asshole.

Richard_The_Clown: They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.


The audiobook was great, but you want to hear the whole thing. And maybe add a few chapters too.

OtherLittleGuy: Yet, somehow, with another book, Hollywood got it right:


Director George Pal loved WotW. A director has no business directing something he doesn't love.

burndtdan: Ignoring that the movie has absolutely nothing in common with the book...

While zombies as swarming fire ants is... perhaps an interesting idea to explore, it has it's flaws in that I'm not sure human bodies, even crazy zombie human bodies, could generate that much speed and momentum to crash like a tidal wave.

Also, zombies that turn almost instantly after infection (as shown in prior released footage) wouldn't be a worldwide problem. They could easily overwhelm a landmass, but then what? In the book people would turn after the infection killed them slowly, often not even showing symptoms right away, which allowed for infected to board planes and boats. But that couldn't happen with these.

In the book, the zombies could survive under water (and more or less lined the bottom of the ocean eventually), but only because they were undead; they didn't need to breathe. The zombies in the trailer don't look really undead. It's hard to imagine a dead body reanimated moving that fast, even if an infected living body could. So odds are these would fark up one continent at most and then be done for, unless the infection happened simultaneously in different parts of the world, which would mean either it was created and released by a villain (which is lame) or a world-wide natural occurrence (in which case why are there people who aren't infected?).


Something else other than Max Brooks original zombie virus is at play here.
 
2012-11-09 04:05:30 PM
On the topic of zombies. Anyone else think Resident Evil 6 is a festering pile of dog snot of a game?

1 & 4 were so damn good...
 
2012-11-09 04:06:15 PM

Old enough to know better: I may be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works. I believe unless the author is asked to work on the movie, its more like, "Hi, we're from Paramount. Here's five million dollars for the film rights to your book. K? Thanx. Now shut up and GTFO, we have a screenplay to write."


Max Brooks has said as much. Despite having a Hollywood savvy family, he flubbed it.
 
2012-11-09 04:24:22 PM
This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...
 
2012-11-09 04:36:44 PM

huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...


Eh... see: I am Legend.
 
2012-11-09 04:54:08 PM

Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.


"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.
 
2012-11-09 05:02:07 PM

huscarl91: Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.

"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.


This is where I jump in to defend the movie. In my opinion, as a stand alone movie it was decent. The reason many people had a problem with it was that it divulged so much from its source material, which I totally understand. I will say though, Will Smith's acting was far too good for that film.
 
2012-11-09 05:15:01 PM
very general statement here, but I prefer the idea of organized, intelligent, fast zombies like this and I Am Legend.. it makes it much more thrilling in my opinion than these blind/deaf/dumb creatures milling around that you can simply hide from. the fact that this comes from a book means people are upset it's not like the book so maybe they should have made it a stand-alone movie and reigned in the CGI a tad and it'd be acceptable
 
2012-11-09 05:30:41 PM

AntonChigger: huscarl91: Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.

"I am Legend" would top the list if it had starred Kostner, but, point taken, it, too, was awful.

This is where I jump in to defend the movie. In my opinion, as a stand alone movie it was decent. The reason many people had a problem with it was that it divulged so much from its source material, which I totally understand. I will say though, Will Smith's acting was far too good for that film.


Fair enough, but really, all I was considering is the adaptation, which is how the movie carries forward the story of the book accurately or not. Truth be told, I didn't read "The Postman" until after I'd read it. I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the...loosely cobbled together short stories in one cover, but seriously, other than the name, and that they were both post-apocalyptic, the movie and book were unrelated. Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's story. It tells a good story, and tells it pretty well, but it ain't the book.

This "World War Z" thing might just be a fantastic movie, but it won't be the book, either.
 
2012-11-09 05:38:49 PM

abhorrent1: Fark you hive-mind haters. I think it looks cool.


Seriously. I like the whole zombies acting like a swarm of ant thing. It looks like it could be a badass flick.
 
2012-11-09 06:02:33 PM

huscarl91: Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's Matheson's story


I think you're confusing the disappointment of I, Robot with the disappointment of I Am Legend.
 
2012-11-09 06:09:21 PM

precia: huscarl91: Similarly, the movie "I am Legend" pretty much fails to tell Asimov's Matheson's story

I think you're confusing the disappointment of I, Robot with the disappointment of I Am Legend.


Clearly! The derp is strong with me! Though it *is* easy to confuse one Will Smith novel-adaptation failure with another...
 
2012-11-09 06:14:27 PM

thamike: abhorrent1: Fark you hive-mind haters. I think it looks cool.

Seriously. I like the whole zombies acting like a swarm of ant thing. It looks like it could be a badass flick.


Agreed.

Yeah, it's nothing at all like the book...

But still, if it's done well enough it'll be a fun zombie/action flick to watch with the wife some night.
 
2012-11-09 06:31:56 PM
The Walking Dead looks and is better.
 
2012-11-09 06:34:06 PM
Max Brooks should have gotten his dad to direct the movie.

How fun would that have been?
 
2012-11-09 06:34:13 PM

nitefallz: AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized

A human, yes. The killing factor is the concussion wave from the blast. It damages the internal organs. The zombies don't give a shiat about that. And the shockwave to the brain isn't damaging enough to kill them I'm assuming, based on what was described in the book.


That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills. For an airburst, in an open area the blast effects from a 2000 lb General Purpose bomb is lethal out to maybe 200 yards, the fragments are lethal out to about 3000 yards. Of course the fragments thin out as the distance increases. In general for an air burst unless you are behind hard cover, such as concrete, steel, or sand bags a 2000 lb bomb will kill just about everyone within 500 yards of the blast, for every additional 100 yards the chances of being killed drop about 5% out past about 2500 yards only the unlucky get hit.

When the military blows up things in populated areas today, they fuse the bombs to go off 20-30 feet underground. This limits the fragments to less than 100 yards. If they wanted to mow down a hoard of zombies, a single B52 could wipe out over 100,000 without much trouble at all. A squadron of fighters would do about the same.

/I liked the book anyway.
//You often have to ignore inconvenient facts to write a good story
 
2012-11-09 07:30:16 PM

HK-MP5-SD: That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills. For an airburst, in an open area the blast effects from a 2000 lb General Purpose bomb is lethal out to maybe 200 yards, the fragments are lethal out to about 3000 yards. Of course the fragments thin out as the distance increases. In general for an air burst unless you are behind hard cover, such as concrete, steel, or sand bags a 2000 lb bomb will kill just about everyone within 500 yards of the blast, for every additional 100 yards the chances of being killed drop about 5% out past about 2500 yards only the unlucky get hit.


Dude, you're 'killing' robots made out of dead meat. You will destroy some of them, but you can't apply the same standards of lethality to zombies.
 
2012-11-09 07:33:58 PM
godamnitsofarkingmuch! I thought they had given up on this movie. This was a terrible idea from the get go. World War Z's narrative does not adapt well to a screenplay. No really protagonist (unless you count humanity as a whole), disjointed screens and multiple narrators. Mini-series I could see, but movie? Fark these people.
 
2012-11-09 07:36:14 PM

Coelacanth: Dude, you're 'killing' robots made out of dead meat. You will destroy some of them, but you can't apply the same standards of lethality to zombies.


Maybe some moron in the movie will try to napalm the zombies. That would be some dark comedy.
 
2012-11-09 07:39:32 PM

Honest Bender: huscarl91: This may well be the worst movie adaptation of a novel since "The Postman"...

Eh... see: I am Legend.


i wont limit my suggestion to prose because The League of Extraordinary Gentleman was the worst adaptation of a book. it's a comic book that has equal foot hold in the prose market with legitimacy. Alan Moore's epic, award winning tale was ruined with a glitzy action flick that catered to action movie goers with little knowledge of literary history to appreciate it. just awful.
 
2012-11-09 07:42:26 PM
Starship Troopers, I Am Legend, etc, this isn't really shocking or deviant behavior from the past.

Hollywood is just buying the rights to the name, then making a new movie. They want the credibility/popularity for marketing and the proven mix of action/drama that sustains sales. It works and they have no real reason to stop doing it.
 
2012-11-09 07:54:10 PM
As for the large pile of zombies .... I read something like that once as a child in a Piers Anthony book.

Essentially thousands of trolls were attacking a castle, and everyone inside thought they were safe because the trolls were too stupid to build ladders and the walls were too high to scale. They figured they could just pick them off one at a time if they started to climb up. What happened was all the trolls attacked at once. The moment the first wave hit the wall the second wave started to climb on them, then the third wave started to climb on them, so on and so forth. So essentially you had a whole pile of smashed up dead trolls stepping on each other, but it made a "ramp" of bodies all the way up to the wall. The defenders were totally unprepared and got overran.

Obviously no being that values its own life would do this ... but we're talking trolls (or zombies in this instance) here.
 
2012-11-09 08:09:41 PM
I think this looks freakin amazing!

Sure, it's nothing like the book, but I can't wait to see swarming zombies. That image of a pile of zombies crawling all over each other like a horde of ants of is incredible.
 
2012-11-09 10:13:45 PM
I, Zombie

Interesting take from the infected, in this they maintain their self-awareness and know exactly what they are doing, yet cannot make themselves stop.
 
2012-11-09 10:24:40 PM
I'm getting a wee bit tired of people saying, "Well, I never read the book, but you should quit complaining because this would be a stupid movie anyways."
 
2012-11-09 11:15:32 PM

mccoma: Yeah, and that part of the book's premise is just so much crud, particularly after explaining that the troops and vehicles were just back from the middle east. The fighting of zombies as portrayed in the book is an order of magnitude easier than the warfare in the middle east. Zombies don't build IEDs or shoot back. It would actually be a simple military problem.


Yup. Plenty of stuff about how the army acts in the book makes no sense. The most bizarre being how stingy they are in handing out ammo at Yonkers. The army loves, freakin LOVES overkill (there was about 250,000 rounds fired for every confirmed kill in Iraq, for instance), they aren't gonna fight millions of freakin' zombies and not bring enough ammo.

HK-MP5-SD: That was the author's belief of how bombs kill, but it just isn't accurate. The range at which the fragments kill is far, far greater than the distance where the blast kills.


I'll add to that that making them immune to the blast isn't something that really makes sense either. He just hand-waves it in the book as "Oh, for some reason the waves of concussive force didn't damage the zombie brain!" but that's silly. There's no important difference between a brain being torn to bits by a rifle bullet and a brain being torn to bits by the force of a bomb blast.
 
2012-11-10 12:04:16 AM

thecpt: is the black guy redecker of SA? Maybe that much is right? Can it be eliopolis flying the C-130? Can Henry Rollins not do anything?


He certainly cannot fix a broken heart
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2012-11-10 12:07:35 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: Obviously no being that values its own life would do this ... but we're talking trolls (or zombies in this instance) here.


Or, as has been mentioned, ants.
 
2012-11-10 12:36:46 AM

AntonChigger: madgonad: verbaltoxin: That's when you bring in the MOAB's and daisy cutters. They literally vaporize everything within blast radius. If the battle's that far gone, that ordinance would be deployed. I'm not even getting into the STS missile arsenal yet.

No No NO

Large ordnance even now is only used to collapse tunnels, clear vegetation, and psychologically frighten the enemy.They just don't kill that many real people within 100' of detonation. When zombie physiology is factored, the zombie-kill radius of MOAB might be 20'. Pressure and shrapnel that will incapacitate humans does almost nothing to zombies.

I know this is a fictional scenario, and I'm not military, but I'm pretty sure if you stood 100' feet away from where a piece of large ordnance landed, you would be dead and/or pulverized


Video taken about 200' from a JDAM strike, FWIW.
 
2012-11-10 10:37:27 AM

Walker: Zombies do not have super speed and super strength.
Zombies are not part spider, part monkey.
That is all.


FTFY
 
2012-11-10 08:56:45 PM

FastJeff: Richard_The_Clown: Coelacanth: You know what World War Z would've great as?

Radio drama.

They did that with the audiobook. Max Brooks, the author, plays the UN guy interviewing all the people. Then they have the likes of Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, John Turtoro, Alan Alda, and Mark Hamil to be the interviewees. It's abridged, so there about half the book is left out, but it still works. WWZ would have made a great HBO series.

I agree, but the Walking Dead folks would say it's a rip off of that series. Just with more logistics in it. Still, man, that would've been an excellent mini-series.


No, the Walking Dead folks pretty much respect both universes. Walking Dead is about survival and having to make the least horrible choices life has thrown at you. WWZ is about different peoples' experiences and points of view. It's a documentary that has everything from a corrupt pharmaceutical company, an epic battle scene, to a Zen zombie hunter. They're both excellent works in their own rights.

/Walking Dead & WWZ fan
//Zombies are a great thought exercise but they've been overhyped for years now
 
2012-11-11 08:32:48 AM

brigid_fitch: Walking Dead is about survival and having to make the least horrible choices life has thrown at you.


I thought the Walking Dead was about how humanity is made completely of useless insufferable assholes, Korean pizza deliverymen and hicks with crossbows being the only exceptions.
 
2012-11-11 05:01:04 PM

Bathia_Mapes: knbber2: Yikes, looks like they destroyed the book.

Indeed. IIRC, in the book they were the classic slow zombies. And it looks as though, unlike the book, they're coordinating/cooperating with each other when scaling the building. They aren't supposed to be intelligent enough to do stuff like that.


Yes, because grains of sand "cooperate" when forming a mound at the bottom of an hourglass.
 
2012-11-12 12:45:30 AM

Shadow Blasko: wildcardjack: This looks like the sort of adaptation The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would receive.

If someone takes that idea and runs with it, I will hunt you down and turn your femurs into pencil holders.

Then slingshot them from tycho under to the NA Directorate.


Actually, there is a screenplay being circulated for TMIAHM.

Written by Tim Minear, who co-wrote Firefly
 
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