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(CBS News)   Romney "shellshocked" by loss. Normally, when I get shellshocked I put in another quarter and try using Donatello instead   (cbsnews.com) divider line 179
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2012-11-08 05:53:46 PM
24 votes:
It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.
2012-11-08 04:53:00 PM
16 votes:
"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

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2012-11-08 10:39:38 PM
13 votes:
In the final analysis the American people are not as stupid as Romney and the repubs seemed to think they are. If you say one thing and then a week later blatantly, straight-up lie about it, and have the balls to look people in the eye and say "I did not say what you have video of me saying," people are going to notice. Wait a year to contradict yourself, you might get away with it, wait a week, or, in Romney's case, sometimes just a few hours, and people are going to doubt your trustworthiness.

We've already had ample evidence of repubs running on one platform and suddenly pulling out a completely unexpected agenda once the election is won. Do you think people would have voted for Scott Walker if he'd run on a platform of "I will break the teachers union"? Would GW Bush have been elected had he run on a platform of "I will gin up a war against Iraq (as I recall he ran specifically on a platform of "I'm not interested in nation-building")?" Given a track record like this, how can anyone with an ounce of common sense or human decency ever possibly vote repub again? As Nietszche said, "I'm not angry because you lied to me; I'm angry becuase I can never believe you again."

Here's what I think would have happened had Romney won: He would have fulfilled all those stupid, pointless promises that so easily satisfy repub ideological needs. He would have defunded Planned Parenthood and PBS, because, it would satisfy the schadenfreude waiting to be released from repub souls without affecting him or the people he cares about in the slightest. He would lower taxe rates on the wealthy and raised them on the middle class while piously scolding the American people for shirking their responsibilities. His first and primary reason for becoming president, besides rounding out his resume and proving once and for all he's a better man than his father, is to make the world safe for his children's trust funds. An emboldened GOP would go on a rampage of revenge for the perceived slights of the past four years, with state and federal level legislation designed specifically to injure women, gays, minorities and college students without any particular reason for doing so besides the pleasure of watching liberals squirm. The minimum wage would be lowered or eliminated and a whole new class of chattel wage slaves would be created and expand as employers saw no downside to abusing their employees even further.

A repub victory would have been an unmitigated disaster. Their cause was unjust, their reasons self-serving, their justifications hypocritcal. They deserved to lose. I am glad they lost. The country is a better place for their defeat.
2012-11-08 06:39:03 PM
12 votes:
this is just like the iraq war and its cherry-picked intelligence. what is it with republicans and their need to seek out only that information that supports their already arrived-at conclusion? it's just farking asinine.
2012-11-08 07:03:02 PM
9 votes:
Republicans clearly all only talk to each other and are bewildered that other Americans exist, people who don't think like them but are every bit as American as they are.

This seems to confuse and irritate them. Mostly it seems it's either a conspiracy or there are now too many of "those" Americans for the white establishment to take its rightful place as rulers of all things USA.

By 2016 there will be even less white establishment Americans. They better find a new schtick.
2012-11-08 10:01:23 PM
8 votes:
Huh, after reading this thread, I'm of the opinion maybe instead of Republicans using 'community organizer' as a slur, they should have been taking notes.
2012-11-08 09:47:38 PM
8 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: jst3p: As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm.

I pulled my derp party co-worker aside a few weeks ago and said roughly this:

"I think you guys are in for a surprise. By attacking the polls you are ignoring reality. Instead of asking 'why aren't we getting the support' you are asking 'why is literally every single poll wrong?'. It isn't going to help you guys win. Sure some polls might be flawed but all of them? I think the right is in big trouble if they are just going to pretend all those polls are wrong."

His reply:

"Nate silver might know baseball but he has only had experience in one Presidential election. He is still a rookie. You are the one who is going to be shocked."

He didn't come to work on Wednesday and worked from home today.

I've been on vacation for a while and go back to work Monday. I can't wait to see what the resident derpmeisters - especially the douchebag Mormon who thinks Newt Gingrich is a liberal - are saying when I get back.


There are a few in my office, they get together and form a right wing echo chamber within earshot of my cube frequently. The ones that have been back are PISSED. I haven't said much to them because they are already on edge.

It is kinda fun messing with them though. About a month back they were defending places that give payday loans at huge interest rates. "These people have screwed up their credit and have no other options. It is better than back in the old days when you borrow the money from Jimmy "The Fox" and end up with broken legs when you don't pay." Followed with "Yep, and that's what they would end up doing today if they had to. They are going to get those loans one way or another, for their own good at least the system we have today is legal and safe."

I stepped out of my cube and said "Kinda like abortion?"

They glared daggers at me and broke up to get back to work.

It was awesome.
2012-11-08 07:19:21 PM
8 votes:
Of course he didn't see this coming. He had to write his concession speech right after they called Ohio because he hadn't written one beforehand. That's why it took him so long to concede. Plus you have the website, the fireworks display.....he really believed that he was owed or somehow due the Presidency, and never for one fraction of a second considered that it might not come to pass.

That's what makes this so damn funny.
2012-11-08 10:05:21 PM
7 votes:
This doesn't surprise me in the least.

The right-wing in this country has chosen to wall itself off inside of an intellectual ghetto. Between Foxnews, talk radio, Newscorp, and Breitbart, no Republican ever has to deal with reality anymore in broadcast media. They've willfully chosen to retreat into a world where they can comfortably have their prejudices validated by propagandists masquerading as journalists. It's a world where math, statistics, science, and logic all take a back seat to 'gut feelings' and pandering.

They did it to themselves.

fark em.
2012-11-08 09:47:20 PM
7 votes:
This election should be a teaching moment for Republicans. The reason they were shocked it that they took the outcome they and their audience wanted to see, and then rationalized it. They ignored the data.

Because it was an election, their following their gut had no real consequences other than lost bets and broken hearts. But they also do this with global warming, countries to invade, tax policy, and other things. In those cases, the American populace and the world in general have a great deal to lose.
2012-11-08 06:08:42 PM
7 votes:
They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - unnamed aide to George W. Bush
2012-11-08 05:26:11 PM
7 votes:
try sticking your head outside the fox echo chamber once in a while.
2012-11-09 12:11:38 AM
6 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


OK, I have nothing better to do, I'll bite.

I actually think President Obama may be the finest man to hold the Presidency since Jimmy Carter. He's extraordinarily intelligent, he's a loving husband and father, he's genuinely likeable and he's sincere about wanting to make the country a better place for everyone. He's kept the homeland secure, his administration has been the most scandal-free in my memory (and I'm an old fart) and he has attempted to be as bipartisan as possible in his dealings with congress.

Obama inherited the worst economy in my lifetime and, by every measure, things are getting better. And he was able to accomplish it in the face of absolute opposition from Republicans, who would rather see Americans suffer than give Obama a legislative success. He saved hundreds of thousands of family wage jobs in the auto industry with cash-for-clunkers and the GM bailout.

I'm sorry that some of the energy companies the nation invested in went bankrupt. Not every company is successful. But the total amount lost was about the same as a single guided missile cruiser. I'd much rather see the money spent helping businesses grow in a forward-looking industry than spent on tools of war.

I'm also happy that the President is moving forward on some social issues. The repeal of DADT, while a bit late in coming, was welcome, as was some long overdue workers rights legislation.

The President's life story - coming from modest means to graduating Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law to the Senate to the Presidency - is a huge accomplishment and a genuine American success story.

Obama certainly does not get a free pass, Democrats are far more critical of their leaders than Republicans. Do I agree with everything Obama has done? Absolutely not. His administration's record on civil liberties is atrocious, I'm not a fan of Eric Holder and I'd like to see fewer Wall Street execs in his cabinet and more of them in prison.

All in all, though, I'm pretty happy with Obama's stewardship and with Obama the man.
2012-11-08 07:03:57 PM
6 votes:
I think the Republican party confused "motivation" with "enthusiasm". Democratic voters may not have been as "motivated" but that didn't mean they weren't going to vote.

And wow, what an echo chamber. Imagine what kind of president he would have made; he'd end up ignoring anything his echo chamber didn't tell him about (which, given his history, would've been half the country).

Divorced from reality is not the way to lead the country.
2012-11-08 06:27:47 PM
6 votes:

BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.


I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.
2012-11-08 04:51:11 PM
6 votes:
2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.
2012-11-08 10:51:08 PM
5 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.
...

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts.


Please do shut up.

"You're an idiot. Now let's have a civil and friendly discussion." is no way to start a conversation.
2012-11-08 10:33:41 PM
5 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor


When Obama was elected we were headed to an outright depression. Under Obama the economy has improved by every metric. And your solution was to vote for the guy who has all of the policies and advisers that got us into this mess in the first place?

And I believe foreign policy is the biggest issue. The economy could make me poor but bad handling of foreign affairs could get me irradiated. And I really didn't want a President who flat out said he would have Israel dictate our actions in the mid east.
2012-11-08 10:33:29 PM
5 votes:

InmanRoshi: mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.

Agreed. I think it's just spinning. Better to say you were self deluded and surprise than to admit you were a complete liar and bullshiat artist.

That's not to say there probably weren't some DERPers on some outer rings of the staff who were drinking Kool Aid, but I think the real small inside circle guys knew the reality.


We'll probably never know the truth unless a staffer releases a juicy tell-all.

But from my own experience in dealing with powerful corporate characters, I can say that the 'yes-men'/'group-think' phenomenon is VERY real. Guys who have climbed to the top of the corporate ladder generally don't like being told they're wrong, and especially don't like being told that they're losing. Consequently, everyone underneath becomes more concerned with just keeping their own jobs than addressing the issues that need attention.

To put it more simply, Obama strikes me as the kind of candidate who WANTS to know about the areas he can improve as a candidate.

Romney strikes me as the kind of candidate who wants to know who he should fire if the campaign isn't going well.
2012-11-08 09:54:08 PM
5 votes:
Sociopaths never react well to the obliteration of their constructed reality.
2012-11-08 08:23:46 PM
5 votes:

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Interesting still is that this very point was being made over and over to the yo-yos who kept denying that the aggregators were on to something.

Their defense was always "lots of independents breaking toward Republicans and Democrats are oversampled" while failing to see that many of these independents were not actual independents, but rather Fark Independents®. They thought they were winning over "independents" when actually they were just getting who were never, ever going to pull the lever for Obama in the first place.
2012-11-08 06:17:30 PM
5 votes:

impaler: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.


That would be literally putting the cart before the horse, since using polling that includes a favorable turnout level involves, you know, actually getting the vote out.

I have to say that living in a contested swing state, it appears that the Romney camp decided to spend more money and Obama camp decided to try to be more efficient. The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems. I got calls from the GOP up through election day, and plenty of Carrier Route mailers about how we can't afford more Taxbummer.
2012-11-08 05:58:31 PM
5 votes:
That's what happens when you live in an echo-chamber. I live south of Forsyth County, GA and that's about as red of a county as you get. They all believed Romney was going to win by a land slide and were so mystified that he actually lost. When the only people you associate with are hard right rednecks you begin to believe the hyperbole.
2012-11-08 11:59:09 PM
4 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.


I'm completely OK with it:

1. The losses are acceptable. Any R&D investment carries risks. Bell Labs, perhaps the single brightest example of private R&D success, had seven out of every ten projects fail. From that remaining 30%, however, came inventions that would transform society on a scale as significant as, if not more significant than, the Industrial Revolution.

2. Even failed companies aren't a total loss. Their intellectual property remains, and can help to drive the industry forward even if it's done by other players. Likewise, even a promising road that ultimately ends up being a dead-end advances the field.

3. According to a recent, Republican-led audit of the green energy program, not only is the program as a whole projected to generate a net profit to taxpayers, it's projected to be more profitable than the initial estimates when Congress approved of it.
2012-11-08 10:50:16 PM
4 votes:

dervish16108: Fifi Le Pew: I've tried to remain magnanimous and not say anything to anyone, especially at work. But I am here to tell you, I can't WAIT to listen the right wing radio shows on the commute home from work. I have the most inappropriate shiat-eating grin on my face the whole drive home. The best one I've heard so far: God is PUNISHING us for our SINFUL ways. LOL.

I love it when they blame Romney for everything. It's reminds me of the beginning of Karate Kid 2 when John Kreese broke Johnny Lawrence's 2nd place trophy and started beating him up.


I actually got angry listening to the radio today. BBC News Hour was interviewing some GOP big wig (I forget his name) who absolutely refused to give the Republican party any form of responsibility.

His reasons Romney lost:
1. Romney was victimized by attack ads and too nice to really fight back.
2. A poor education system that allowed Americans to be "seduced" into thinking government works.
3. The liberal media who wouldn't let Romney get out his message.

When asked by an incredulous host if changing demographics had anything to do with Romney's loss, the guy said "No", because - and I kid you not - "I have friends in every demographic" and they all wanted Romney to win.

It was delusional, dishonest rambling, which normally makes me laugh, but I got angry because here was a guy with all the evidence right in front of him and he still refused to accept reality. It was like witnessing an intervention where the addict won't admit he has a problem and then gets belligerent at the people trying to help.
2012-11-08 10:28:02 PM
4 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney. Please be specific. Please cite sources. I promise to do the same.


Oh look, someone who still believes in the magical fairy of supply side economics thinks he's going to have a "serious" debate about economics.

Dude, the 30 year experiment is over. It failed.
2012-11-08 10:01:09 PM
4 votes:

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


You know what the thing about that is?

When the pendulum starts to swing, the lefties will realize it, acknowledge it, and adjust themselves as best they can in order to take advantage of it instead of constructing an alternate reality that fits their narrative like the right did and will continue to do.
2012-11-08 09:49:45 PM
4 votes:
So, basically, the entire Romney campaign is the guy who thinks the stripper really likes him.
2012-11-08 09:36:39 PM
4 votes:
I don't get it, he knew he had to win like every swing state, several of which he was behind in, to have a chance. How could it not occur to him that he'd lose? I realize he's a narcissistic sociopath surrounded by yes men his whole life but....I guess I answered my own question.
2012-11-08 09:34:15 PM
4 votes:
When I see this, it reminds me of big corporate business practice these days.

Make the company look great, tell everyone it is great, tell everyone profit is on the rise. Spin hard to get just a .25 rise in prices.

Meanwhile, in the paper shredding room they all agree to not let the CEO know so he won't go to jail...

And people think we need a 'business minded' president. Whattajoke.
2012-11-08 09:00:13 PM
4 votes:

BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.


The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened.
2012-11-08 08:31:04 PM
4 votes:

BKITU: Interesting still is that this very point was being made over and over to the yo-yos who kept denying that the aggregators were on to something.

Their defense was always "lots of independents breaking toward Republicans and Democrats are oversampled" while failing to see that many of these independents were not actual independents, but rather Fark Independents®. They thought they were winning over "independents" when actually they were just getting who were never, ever going to pull the lever for Obama in the first place.


I remember that point being brought up all the time here on Fark.

If you think about it, it's a bad sign for Republicans. They're really are a lot of people leaving the Republican party. Sure, they still vote Republican, but once they stop self-identifying as Republicans, they start questioning Republican propaganda.
2012-11-09 04:19:23 AM
3 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: If so, tell me why you believe this. Or are you just parroting something you've been told? I'm not being facetious, I want to know. I want you to make your case.


I can answer it really simple:

Reaganomics was a economic system employed by Republican financial experts in the 80s that likened wealth distribution to a bucket -- that if they fill it with enough water, it will overflow and trickle down to everyone below. And they went about about putting this theory into practice by trying to overflow the wealth buckets of the rich classes through keen legislation, deregulation and of course tax cuts.

But every time the buckets got full, the rich just went and got bigger buckets.

After 30 years, none of it has trickled down below, and this is bad for the economy and the American people.

The end.
2012-11-09 01:33:44 AM
3 votes:

impaler: Link if you have one, please.


The report itself is quite dry, but a summary is available here.

They project that failed loans will cost $3 billion (less than the $10 billion allocated for losses) while successful loans will generate $8 billion in interest alone, for a $5 billion direct profit (not counting in the indirect revenues that stimulus spending is intended to achieve via strengthening the economy).

I do retract my statement about it being led by a Republican; I see now that I was misremembering who was involved. The report was created by Herb Allison, who has given economic advice to both parties, having been tapped for various roles by Bush, McCain, and Obama.

Also, per this news story, the overall program has helped to fund over 1,300 companies, of which less than 1% have failed.
2012-11-09 01:29:47 AM
3 votes:

AeAe: I've been thinking .. I found this tumblr called whitepeoplemourningromney earlier today and I was pretty amused . . a lot of schadenfreude but I've come to realize that cons are hurting, disappointed, afraid .. but I wanted to tell them if anyone would read this that it's going to be ok.

Our guy won but he's pretty good. He's been in office for 4 years and he knows how this works. And believe it or not, you may not believe in his policies, but I think in the end they are pretty good. I think the conservative media has been doomsdaying this and when you hear the same thing over and over again, you end up believing it.

Since we have 4 more years of Obama, we need to work together. The fiscal cliff will need to be dealt with and we can only do that working together. .. I think we'll do it. We have no choice.

And we do it, and do it right .. the economy poised to take off. I've heard that we are looking to gain 12 million jobs in the next 4 years regardless who won. 3 million a year? That's pretty goddamn good.

/ not a troll
// seriously, we need to work together


See, now this is the difference in the two parties. When Christie said favorable things about the prez response to Sandy, the right cried foul. The left? They seemed to appreciate the idea of two men from opposite sides of the aisle putting aside any differences to just get shiat done. I know I appreciate that and that is exactly what I think we need of our people in government.
2012-11-09 12:46:19 AM
3 votes:
The Howard Dean pic reminds me, remember how controversial it was that he supported civil unions? Look at how much the country has changed in 8 years.
2012-11-08 11:12:26 PM
3 votes:

DamnYankees: Richard Roma: Think about it. Barring the 2008 nomination (which was almost a curse for a Republican, considering the circumstances), Tuesday was the only time in Romney's life where he didn't get what he want. The only time in sixty years that someone said "no" to him. And that 'someone' was sixty million people. To a privileged guy like him, disappointment is as alien a feeling as the touch of a female is to your average farker.

/average farker

He did lost the 1994 Senate election, for what its worth.


Did he run and lose the governorship reelection or just quit because he knew he wouldn't win?

Still, from what I understand all his campaign people were yes-men and cronies he'd been keeping for years. That "old boys' club" circle-jerk of American Aristocrats who don't get told "no" very often. So yeah, I can see this really kicking his ass.

But here's a more sobering thought: All his people were big business/big money people. The CEOs and Executives that are supposed to be so much smarter than us peons, proven by how much money they make. Just like the Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers people who are "so smart" and "just plain worth more" to justify their billion-dollar bonuses.

ALL these rich-as-fark assholes said the same thing when their house of card came crashing down just as us regular peons KNEW they would. "No one could have seen it coming."

Are we detecting a pattern here?
2012-11-08 10:54:06 PM
3 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Oh look, someone who still believes in the magical fairy of supply side economics thinks he's going to have a "serious" debate about economics.

Dude, the 30 year experiment is over. It failed.

If so, tell me why you believe this. Or are you just parroting something you've been told? I'm not being facetious, I want to know. I want you to make your case.


Let's see. Taxes raised in 93, followed by the largest peace time expansion in our history.

Taxes lowered in 2003, followed by a decade of stagnation and recession.

According to supply-side theory, the complete opposite should have happened.

The falsifiable theory was falsified. It's wrong.

growlersoftware.com
2012-11-08 10:52:25 PM
3 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.
...
I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling.


Call me crazy, but this little mood swing sure makes it seem like you are lying about the type of debate you want
2012-11-08 10:44:15 PM
3 votes:

gaspode: How? how can these intelligent educated people who work in politics have not seen what was transparently farking obvious? Is wishful thinking and confirmation bias so very very powerful?


They bought their own narrative.

They put together a little piece of fiction about Obama and the future of America in order to keep the party from fracturing. They made Obama their scapegoat. They made him their Emmanuel Goldstein. It was the only way they could keep the disparate groups in the big tent from taking out their frustrations on each other.

And then they started believing it themselves. They thought that the fictitious reality that they dreamed up had gained enough sway to supplant the real reality. They thought they had taken control of the message, and that it was smooth sailing from there on out.

They were wrong.
2012-11-08 10:22:56 PM
3 votes:

gaspode: How? how can these intelligent educated people who work in politics have not seen what was transparently farking obvious? Is wishful thinking and confirmation bias so very very powerful?


Deeply religious people are accustomed to holding on to a "truth" even when verifiable facts contradict this "truth" so long as many people also hold on to this "truth". They believe the earth is 6000 years old. They believe people were created as a species, did not evolve. They believe dinosaurs are a trick to test their faith. They believe the global climate is not changing. Given all that it isn't difficult to understand that they could believe "the polls are all wrong" regardless of the facts. Facts are irrelevant if they know the "truth" about something.
2012-11-08 10:16:23 PM
3 votes:
3. Undecided voters. The perception is they always break for the challenger, since people know the incumbent and would have decided already if they were backing him. Romney was counting on that trend to continue. Instead, exit polls show Mr. Obama won among people who made up their minds on Election Day and in the few days before the election. So maybe Romney, after running for six years, was in the same position as the incumbent.

Yeah, or maybe not. Maybe the whole "undecideds break for the challenger" thing is utter BS that political wonks believe because a few past elections were like that. Like the rule that incumbents can't be reelected if they poll below 50%.

There just aren't enough elections to reach any conclusions like this. If you go back 20 years, you're only looking at 5 presidential elections---4, if the next election is about to happen. That puts your conventional wisdom in "3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime so 9 is prime" territory. Contrariwise, if you examine many more presidential elections for a pattern, then you're drawing conventional wisdom about today's Americans based on Americans in the 1960s and 70s.
2012-11-08 10:09:00 PM
3 votes:

clowncar on fire: You probably don't hear this enough but a lot of Bain's purchases are distressed companies well on their way to failure.


Bullshait.
2012-11-08 09:38:56 PM
3 votes:
I imagine it felt like all of America was holding him down,shaving his head while taunting him with "sissy boy,sissy boy". Couldn't happen to a nicer fella.
2012-11-08 09:38:31 PM
3 votes:
Wait a minute. Are they trying to tell me that the party of creationists and anthropic climate change deniers looked at the data, decided they didn't like what it was telling them, and so assumed their was something wrong with the data?
2012-11-08 09:32:08 PM
3 votes:
"Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents. "

I can't wrap my head around how Romney's team didn't know this. Pretty much everyone who has a Republican friend (or visits this website) knows this. They started doing this when people first pointed out that W and his Republican-led congress weren't very Republican w.r.t small government and fiscal responsibility. The standard response was always, "Well he's not a true conservative. That's why I'm not a Republican anymore, I'm an independent conservative"

The power of the echo chamber never ceases to amaze me.
2012-11-08 09:23:43 PM
3 votes:
The Romney team should have realized that the race wasn't a lock, and they should have been prepared either way. That they clearly weren't prepared for a loss is yet another example of Mitt's sheer arrogance. They thought they could buy the election but ultimately couldn't, even with the help of Fox News.
2012-11-08 07:20:11 PM
3 votes:
That's what happens when you don't make a concession speech. You taunted the wrath of the Whatever from high atop the Thing and you got punished.
2012-11-08 06:38:41 PM
3 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.


I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.
2012-11-08 06:15:34 PM
3 votes:
Sounds like a cross between Atlas Shrugged and 1984, impaler.
2012-11-08 05:19:09 PM
3 votes:

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


The tea party embarrassed them straight out of the party. Where the polls failed was the worst was creating the narrative that republicans were more energized, the enthusiasm gap they kept touting was just a distortion-an artifact of these embarrassed republicans.

I'll say again-the movement in the polls after the first debate was not people who decided to vote Romney all of a sudden who were undecided or independent. They were these same republicans, people who were going to vote for Romney anyhow, they were just unwilling to admit it to anyone else until Romney made it through the debate without shiatting himself. They like to be associated with winners, Romney was never considered as a winner by the public at large until that night.
2012-11-09 02:58:43 AM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?


Go learn some real-world finance so you have an inkling of the baseline failure rate for new business ventures when the company is developing entirely new manufacturing processes. My nose is still bleeding from the facepalm.


Then go educate yourself on Bain's 1990 FDIC bailout. The few documents that got past Bain's lawyers without a complete blackout paint a picture of greed that buggers the imagination.
Romney's first offer when Bain defaulted on the $30.9 million loan: The FDIC would have to accept thirty-five cents on the dollar in repayment or Romney would distribute cash to Bain executives as bonuses. FDIC told him to bugger off, so he distributed BAINLAWYERCENSORED millions in bonuses to Bain executives.
Second round: Romney told the FDIC that Bain would pay up to 30 cents on the dollar or the rest of the money would go to bonuses. This time the FDIC ate the loss.
2012-11-09 02:19:44 AM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney?


Because Romney is a member of a party that is anti-science, anti-intellectualism, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-minority, anti-poor, and anti-human.

And I believe the rich should be taxed heavily. Oh no, they can't afford that yacht this year, how terrible for them.

Not only did Obama deserve my vote more, Romney and his ilk deserve nothing but contempt from decent Americans.
2012-11-09 02:16:33 AM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I've been around a while and these times we're going through are NOT the norm, and they never should be in America


So what's the norm? The 40s? The 60s? The 80s? The 90s?

What's your "norm?"

The world is always changing and your "norm" is over now, if it ever existed in the first place outside of your mind.

You make zero coherent points at all, and therefore you don't deserve to be spoken to like an adult.
2012-11-09 12:35:29 AM
2 votes:
I've been thinking .. I found this tumblr called whitepeoplemourningromney earlier today and I was pretty amused . . a lot of schadenfreude but I've come to realize that cons are hurting, disappointed, afraid .. but I wanted to tell them if anyone would read this that it's going to be ok.

Our guy won but he's pretty good. He's been in office for 4 years and he knows how this works. And believe it or not, you may not believe in his policies, but I think in the end they are pretty good. I think the conservative media has been doomsdaying this and when you hear the same thing over and over again, you end up believing it.

Since we have 4 more years of Obama, we need to work together. The fiscal cliff will need to be dealt with and we can only do that working together. .. I think we'll do it. We have no choice.

And we do it, and do it right .. the economy poised to take off. I've heard that we are looking to gain 12 million jobs in the next 4 years regardless who won. 3 million a year? That's pretty goddamn good.

/ not a troll
// seriously, we need to work together
2012-11-09 12:28:01 AM
2 votes:

qorkfiend: DamnYankees: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: All in all, though, I'm pretty happy with Obama's stewardship and with Obama the man.

Exactly right. I'm in my twenties, and I'm pretty sure when my time comes I'll consider Barack Obama the best President of my life. And I'm quite happy with that.

But there are so many Presidents yet to come.


Yes indeed. And I'll be thrilled and surprised if any are better than Mr. Obama.
2012-11-09 12:24:34 AM
2 votes:
'the fark? How is he shocked by this? I'm shocked at how farking close it was. Obama should have blown him out of the water. I mean goddamn... I'm not even going to say anything except "goddamn" because everyone who isn't in the f*cking bubble knows exactly why I say it.
2012-11-09 12:21:44 AM
2 votes:

Sum Dum Gai: 2. Even failed companies aren't a total loss. Their intellectual property remains, and can help to drive the industry forward even if it's done by other players. Likewise, even a promising road that ultimately ends up being a dead-end advances the field.


I'd also add this. The money didn't just disappear into the ether. It went to the employees of those companies while they were open, to their suppliers and contractors, and then right back into the economy. Efficient use of stimulus funds? Not directly. But it was spent, and spent in the local economies for those companies. It's not like the money went into a black hole where it just moves back and forth between financial instruments, fostering no consumer demand, creating no jobs, or freezing innovation for over a decade.

Hey wait - that's exactly what happens to money that goes to Romney and his pals.
2012-11-09 12:14:16 AM
2 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That's very astute. That Community Organizer's people were on the ball. Being more efficient is how you run a business. Throwing more money at a problem is how you deal with an untreated gambling addiction.


Rynthetyn mentioned upthread (and others have mentioned before that Obama runs an incredible campaign. Meanwhile we've seen Republicans run the Romney and Mccain clusterfarks (and it really seems like the only reason that Bush won was luck, if Rove's recent history is any proof).

Yet we are told constantly that Republicans and only Republicans can run things efficiently with little to no actual evidence to support that assertion.
2012-11-08 11:58:40 PM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com


I wouldn't be so quick to ignore those graphs. Remember, your boys got themselves in the position they're in by writing off all the math as "from obamatron.com".

and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Welcome to Fark.

Just in case you're serious, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain why I pulled for Obama: because he's done a good job. Could he have done better? Sure. But he stopped the bleeding of jobs, and has slowly improved things since then (yes, yes, I know, we'd be in exactly the same position if he'd done nothing, sure we would and Bob's your uncle). He saved the American auto industry. He pushed health care reform through, and even if it isn't the exact health care reform I wanted to see, it's a damn sight better than what we had before. Same goes for financial reform; I may have wanted to see more, but Dodd-Frank is better than what we had. He got Bin Laden by doing exactly what he said he was going to do, even when everybody else called him naive for saying it (and of course, all the Monday morning quarterbacks came out of the woodwork afterwards to say they'd totes do the same thing). He took care of a very sticky situation in Libya without setting boots on the ground. He did exactly what he said he would in Iraq and Afghanistan; he got us out of Iraq, doubled-down on Afghanistan, got the job done there, and now we have a timetable to get the hell out of there too. Oh, and DADT is done, too.

And all those loans there? The ones where you want to cherry-pick the losers? I think he was right to make them. Of course some of them aren't going to work out. If these investments were a sure thing, the government wouldn't have had to make the loans; the banks would be falling all over themselves to make them. But, regardless of the risk, we have no future without alternative energy. We can only pillage the Earth for so long before we run out of resources. But the sun and the wind aren't going anywhere for a very long time.

And what did Romney offer us in Obama's stead? More unfunded tax cuts for the rich, more supply-side, trickle-down bullshiat, and another war in the middle east. Oh, and "Christian values". You want to tell me how Romney's not Bush? I sure as hell couldn't tell the difference.
2012-11-08 11:34:48 PM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney.


I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.

Link.
2012-11-08 11:17:46 PM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).


See what happens when you feed a troll after dark?

You encourage him.

Shame on you fark.
2012-11-08 11:02:51 PM
2 votes:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: jst3p:

If what jst3p said was too long for you, let me put it this way.

Take a look at October 2006 through October 2009 (When Obama's first budget went into effect) and compare it to October 2009 through October 2012. The improvement is amazing.

Any argument about Obama and the economy is invalid. The people who think that it might be are either fooling themselves or don't understand just how terrible 2006-2009 was.


Or they think he was responsible for everything after November 6th 2008, and don't rally pay attention to everything before then, which didn't really come on their radar (i.e. get reported on by the MSM) until late 2008.

And to be honest the economy was bad ever since 2000 and the dot-bomb. I liken it to 2000 being an adrenaline crash after a long hard run, we should have drunk a lot of water and rested (slow recovery via infrastructure spending stimulus and good old-fashioned waiting it out) but the Republicans had the bright idea of doing a cocktail of coke and heroin (2 wars, tax cuts, and deregulation especially on lenders) so we couldn't feel it and kept on running.

Now we've crashed even harder, and we're feeling pains of wealth disparity and personal debt and we're on the verge of multiple organ failure (mass bankruptcies) because of what we did while coked up and immune to pain.
2012-11-08 11:00:35 PM
2 votes:
Minus 1 Charisma 2012-11-08 10:39:28 PM

InmanRoshi: Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney. Please be specific. Please cite sources. I promise to do the same.

Oh look, someone who still believes in the magical fairy of supply side economics thinks he's going to have a "serious" debate about economics.

Dude, the 30 year experiment is over. It failed.


If so, tell me why you believe this. Or are you just parroting something you've been told...



Ahh yes.

You have been noticed by little kitty.

Let little kitty help you by giving you something.

Your very own Farky! Isn't that nice!

Minus 1 Charisma

farky'd as: just parroting something you've been told


Because the things you've repeated here are neither unique nor original.

Little kitty has been hearing them for the past four years, endlessly, and her ears are tired.
2012-11-08 10:52:20 PM
2 votes:
jst3p:

If what jst3p said was too long for you, let me put it this way.

Take a look at October 2006 through October 2009 (When Obama's first budget went into effect) and compare it to October 2009 through October 2012. The improvement is amazing.

Any argument about Obama and the economy is invalid. The people who think that it might be are either fooling themselves or don't understand just how terrible 2006-2009 was.
2012-11-08 10:41:59 PM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney. I am disgusted that he didn't win. The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us...

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney. Please be specific. Please cite sources. I promise to do the same.


You apparently fail to realize Obama was handed a shatty economy.

800,000 jobs lost in January of 2009. Today, we're adding 170,000.

Link
2012-11-08 10:30:39 PM
2 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail. With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair. While I agree that the health care system was broken and that health care ebing a right is worth debate = Obama care was not the answer. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.

You guys have doomed yourselves and you don't even know it yet. You cheer America's demise. Grab a calculator. We're completely farked. WOOPIE!!

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults.


Honest debate after that hysteria? You're adorable.
2012-11-08 10:30:29 PM
2 votes:
Romney's campaign should get credit for something amazing. They convinced a shait ton of baptists and evangelicals in the South to vote for a mormon! They not only broke the hearts of millions of conservatires by losing, they convinced tons of them to sell their souls.
2012-11-08 10:28:46 PM
2 votes:

nigeman: Also I remember when McCain lost and Obama won McCain had what seemed like a tiny underlit outdoor event, no bigger than a backyard bbq, for him to give his concession speech ( where no one seemed to want to console Sarah Palin, after he finished the speech). After that speech Obama came out to a runway lined with shining American flags to an ocean of people. The contrast could not have been starker.


I felt the same with this year's events. Romney's got a ballroom at a fancy hotel, with a handful of high-rollers in suits. Obama's in a freaking stadium. I figured Romney was keeping it low-key, knowing he was going to have to concede... but now that I know that wasn't the case, it really shows the contrast between who the two men represented.
2012-11-08 10:25:45 PM
2 votes:

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


The crowing is NOTHING compared to what we heard from the GOP post 2004 supreme court elected GWB. You assholes spent 8 farking years calling everyone that wasn't a white fundamentalist GOP lover "terrorists". The GOP is getting the derision and rejection they have been earning for 12+ years. End of story.

Biden? Yes, I think Biden would crush anyone in the current GOP except Christie.

Gool ol Joe is more Like-able than even Bill Clinton, without the scandalous history. He really is America's happy warrior. Every time I hear him speak or see a picture of him all I can think is "this guy is really loving his job and his life and really truly wants to spread that light to every American"

Gaffes just make even more human.
2012-11-08 10:19:58 PM
2 votes:

Mrembo: whidbey: MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.

I doubt it. All he has to do is reinvent himself and the cash comes rolling in.

I don't think he will be able to talk his way out of this one.


Several Fox pundits have been proven monstrously incorrect in their past predictions, yet they still are able to collect a paycheck. Kristol and Krauthammer would both be working the food court at a DC mall by now if they were held to actual journalistic standards.

Luckily for them, they are not in the business of appealing to logic. Their job is to reinforce the childish emotions of their viewing audience no matter how much derp is required to do it.
2012-11-08 10:19:37 PM
2 votes:
My hubs and I have been jumping for joy and can hardly wait to go to church on Sunday. Yes-we're Mormons, active Mormons and we voted for Obama!!! I also worked the polls here in CO. We had a poll watcher show up at 6:30am to watch, but he had the wrong paper work and couldn't stay. (It was for a different polling place, and couldn't be changed).
I think it will be quieter than usual at Church...
2012-11-08 09:55:40 PM
2 votes:
I believe it's pronounced "shellacked."
2012-11-08 09:49:01 PM
2 votes:
This article and this thread are making me very, very, very, very, very, very, very happy.

A toast to our president! Hear, hear! clink! clink! clink!
2012-11-08 09:45:07 PM
2 votes:
TFA: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney

This was the mistake, right here. Why would they do that? Why not plan for the numbers that weren't favorable to Romney, just in case? I mean, if the internal polls were wrong, then their bases would have been covered. If the internal polls were right, they would have won anyway. They had everything to lose by just assuming things favored their candidate.
2012-11-08 09:37:12 PM
2 votes:
How would a chicken-hawk who dodged the draft know what shell shock is like?
2012-11-08 09:36:16 PM
2 votes:
The farkers really thought they were going to win, and win big. Either they're utterly delusional and out of touch, or they were counting on something that didn't materialize. Normally sane Republican pundits missed the EV count by over 100. Karl Rove almost acted like he couldn't believe the scheming in Ohio didn't work, as if some crucial piece of the puzzle hadn't fallen into place.

Of course the simplest, and correct, answer is that Republicans are by and large just out to lunch. I guess you'd have to be,
2012-11-08 09:33:05 PM
2 votes:
As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm.

I pulled my derp party co-worker aside a few weeks ago and said roughly this:

"I think you guys are in for a surprise. By attacking the polls you are ignoring reality. Instead of asking 'why aren't we getting the support' you are asking 'why is literally every single poll wrong?'. It isn't going to help you guys win. Sure some polls might be flawed but all of them? I think the right is in big trouble if they are just going to pretend all those polls are wrong."

His reply:

"Nate silver might know baseball but he has only had experience in one Presidential election. He is still a rookie. You are the one who is going to be shocked."

He didn't come to work on Wednesday and worked from home today.
2012-11-08 09:29:26 PM
2 votes:
He might be shellshocked, but we all dodged a bullet.

Go eat somewhere expensive, Mitt. Take Ann. You'll get over it.
2012-11-08 09:20:03 PM
2 votes:
i566.photobucket.com
2012-11-08 08:28:51 PM
2 votes:
There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.
2012-11-08 07:39:25 PM
2 votes:

timujin: This is what happens when you listen to fall in love with the smell of your own press farts.

2012-11-08 07:34:38 PM
2 votes:

SnakeLee: This is why cutters can't run for president


Why not? Obama cut taxes and the deficit and he won.
2012-11-08 05:42:32 PM
2 votes:
As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.


What a terrible business decision.
2012-11-08 05:02:42 PM
2 votes:
It's ok, Mitt. A few words of support:

Hold on, it's never enough. It's never enough until your heart stops beating. The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain, so don't give up the game until your heart stops beating.
2012-11-09 05:16:05 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: Lifeless eyes. Dead eyes. Like a doll's eyes


That's the kind of face you see stumbling home from the frat house on a Sunday morning, trying to decide whether to press charges.
2012-11-09 01:52:45 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

Lifeless eyes. Dead eyes. Like a doll's eyes


I find this photo 100% disturbing.
2012-11-09 12:16:52 PM
1 votes:
Subby has won the internet for the day.
2012-11-09 09:10:56 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: Minus 1 Charisma: Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney?

Because Romney is a member of a party that is anti-science, anti-intellectualism, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-minority, anti-poor, and anti-human.

And I believe the rich should be taxed heavily. Oh no, they can't afford that yacht this year, how terrible for them.

Not only did Obama deserve my vote more, Romney and his ilk deserve nothing but contempt from decent Americans.


It isn't even being taxed "more" (or at least I think how most people think that should be done, which is 'raising tax rates'), it is being taxed more "fairly"... tighten up the loopholes, don't give them the ability to hire tax attorneys that can save them $2 for every $1 they spend on the lawyers. Honestly, you don't have to change the tax rates one iota to get a lot more taxes from the extremely rich... you just need to cut out all of shenanigans they knowingly put into the code.

It is the exact point that Jon Stewart has pointed out repeatedly:
"But, alas, Ohio - and the election - was called, and President Obama won another term. According to Bill O'Reilly and Sarah Palin, Americans who feel they are entitled to "things" cast their vote for the president who give them handouts.
"What an incredible story to tell yourselves," Stewart said. "We would've won if it weren't for the moral failings of the non-real America. Fox lost because last night, minorities, who feel entitled to things, came and took the country away form the self-sufficient, white, Medicare retirees and upper class tax avoidance experts - or, as they're also known, your audience.""
2012-11-09 08:40:54 AM
1 votes:
For anyone still reading this thread, here's the Politico article about Mitt's voter-turnout tracking system which crashed and burned on Election day. It was called ORCA, so Politico dubbed it "Romney's fail whale."
2012-11-09 07:57:45 AM
1 votes:

jst3p: Deeply religious people are accustomed to holding on to a "truth" even when verifiable facts contradict this "truth" so long as many people also hold on to this "truth". They believe the earth is 6000 years old. They believe people were created as a species, did not evolve. They believe dinosaurs are a trick to test their faith. They believe the global climate is not changing. Given all that it isn't difficult to understand that they could believe "the polls are all wrong" regardless of the facts. Facts are irrelevant if they know the "truth" about something.


I love you.
2012-11-09 07:47:09 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: The forty-seven percent heard you call them lazy, irresponsible scum, and they were energized to vote against you. That's why you lost. Of course, the wackos in your party talking about the virtues of rape didn't help. But this was primarily the forty-seven percent.


Exactly... I was never going to vote for that shameless plutocrat anyway, but in those few seconds, Romney emphatically showed the country what he thought of the average American.
2012-11-09 07:40:17 AM
1 votes:
Mittens thought he won the election when he "won" the first debate. Beyond that, I don't know--maybe there was religious faith, maybe a belief in his own destiny. Bubbles are hard to analyze.

Forty-seven percent, Mitt. Forty-seven percent. We heard you, and we didn't laugh it off.

The forty-seven percent heard you call them lazy, irresponsible scum, and they were energized to vote against you. That's why you lost. Of course, the wackos in your party talking about the virtues of rape didn't help. But this was primarily the forty-seven percent.
2012-11-09 04:19:31 AM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com

I wouldn't be so quick to ignore those graphs. Remember, your boys got themselves in the position they're in by writing off all the math as "from obamatron.com".

and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Welcome to Fark.

Just in case you're serious, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain why I pulled for Obama: because he's done a good job. Could he have done better? Sure. But he stopped the bleeding of jobs, and has slowly improved things since then (yes, yes, I know, we'd be in exactly the same position if he'd done nothing, sure we would and Bob's your uncle). He saved the American auto industry. He pushed health care reform through, and even if it isn't the exact health care reform I wanted to see, it's a damn sight better than what we had before. Same goes for financial reform; I may have wanted to see more, but Dodd-Frank is better than what we had. He got Bin Laden by doing exactly what he said he was going to do, even when everybody else called him naive for saying it (and of course, all the Monday morning quarterbacks came out of the woodwork afterwards to say they'd totes do the same thing). He took care of a very sticky situation in Libya without setting boots on the ground. He did exactly what he said he would in Iraq and Afghanistan; he got us out of Iraq, doubled-down on Afghanistan, got the job done there, and now we have a timetable to get the hell out of there too. Oh, and DADT is done, too.

And all those loans there? The ones where you want to cherry-pick the losers? I think he was right to make them. Of course some of them aren't going to work out. If these investments were a sure thing, the government wouldn't have had to make the loans; the banks would be falling all over themselves to make them. But, regardless of the risk, we have n ...


I have no problems with President Obama trying to seed green energy in the U.S. There was nothing malicious in his intent. It is about ensuring the future of the U.S. economically and millitarily. The less connected our economy is to the instability of the world oil market, the more stable it is. This is a long term goal with no instant payoffs but the long term payoff will be massive.

My only problem with the whole thing is how President Obama chose to seed the industry. He chose to do it the conservative trickle-down way by giving loans to manufacturers to expand and hire more workers, basically increasing supply. He should have taken the money spent in loans and just gave it directly to the American consumer to upgrade their homes and businesses with stuff like solar panels, increasing th demand of the product and letting the money trickle up to the comanies from the consumer.

This is also why I support President Obama's plan to cut taxes on the working class and slightly raise taxes on the wealthy to use in infrastructure investments, which put money back in local economies creating more demand for products and services. Call me crazy but I have always believed businesses thrive on customers and a 0% tax rate don't mean squat if there are no customers. Last I checked the problem with the economy isn't supply, it's lack of demand. Mitt Romney would have just doubled down on the supply side.
2012-11-09 03:11:05 AM
1 votes:

ignatius_crumbcake: Minus 1 Charisma: I don't agree with the Republicans on everything, but the economy should be everyone's top priority. Without a thriving economy, nothing else matters. Whether your issue is birth control, gay marriage or legalizing marijuana - look I agree with all of those things as well, but as a logical human being that regularly exercises intellectual honesty I can tell you that none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.

I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney. I am disgusted that he didn't win. The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us. I've been around a while and these times we're going through are NOT the norm, and they never should be in America. Maybe if you're reading this you are just too young to know. People used to have enough to get by and then some. If you're not feeling it yet you will. And believe it or not when the (evil?) rich people feel it the poor people feel it too. Just read history.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail. With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair. While I agree that the health care system was broken and that health care ebing a right is worth debate = Obama care was not the answer. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.

You guys have doomed yourselves and you don't even know it yet. You cheer America's demise. Grab a calculator. We're completely farked. WOOPIE!! 

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. ...


Presidential Candidate Romney specifically said that he would see to it that the government of Syria is overthrown. Frankly, if I were Syria, I would consider that an act of war, and act accordingly. I think Romney would've had us at war with another nation by next the first Tuesday he was in power.
2012-11-09 03:03:01 AM
1 votes:

Vectron: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.

The Republican party will never win another national election as long as they remain today's Republicans. There are not enough gullible Fox viewers, white men, millionaires, evangelicals and racists to put together a majority.

What do you picture the party morphing into? The can't out Democrat the Democrats.

70% of Jews, Hispanics and Asians voted for the Democrats. Also the majority of single mothers. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama, That is real identity politics.

By racist, I assume you mean white people. What's wrong with white people having someone that represents their interests.


When did "white people" become a monolithic culture?
2012-11-09 02:44:08 AM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


I don't have children, but I do worry about the future. I worry about an educational system that bullies school boards into stripping science out of textbooks to placate religious organizations, anthropogenic global climate change, the concentration of vast amounts of wealth - and, by extension, power - into the hands of a very few, taxation that rewards companies that send jobs overseas, businesses with no oversight at all insisting that they can police themselves perfectly well, and the consequences of yet another pointless and expensive Middle East adventure in the name of God, America, and oil companies.

Without guarantees, you're asking me to trade the possibility of our children eating, drinking, and breathing poison, paying for their parents' war while under threat of the next generation of CIA-trained terrorists, getting every square inch of their asses beat in every academic field by every other country (which, shocker, has its own economic consequences), owned from cradle to grave by the monied class - which, also shocker, is not "freedom" - and graduating from high school with a literacy level insufficient to push buttons on a McDonald's cash register.

The alternative is to improve our educational system to breed the next generation of entrepreneurs creating the next generation of industries, finding an alternative to flinging bombs at brown people, having some resources left over for our children's children, and a higher opportunity for class mobility, so that no one has to be a wage slave.

I'm not surprised that you can't see why the second bit is superior to the first. Republicans have very carefully trained their followers to expect immediate results. What we're trying to do is lay the groundwork for a sustainable next generation. It takes a long time and it is not easy. You want our children to have jobs. I want them to have DRINKING WATER. These two goals are not mutually exclusive, so a Republican (Boehner) telling me that we just can't afford all this government intervention anymore lacks credibility.

Rebuttal?
2012-11-09 02:12:59 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: limeyfellow: It no different than Romney brave service during Vietnam. I am not sure how he coped with the smell of burning and horror that was the burned croissant.

But the French still used squat toilets at the time, I'm sure that was a truly harrowing experience for him, he probably still has flashbacks.


You can still find them is some of the oldest cafes and restaurants.
Just a little threadjack : I hate squat toilets with a passion of a thousand suns, and I'm French. But I read that they are actually far more healthy for us, given that they put us in the correct position to crap, whereas the ''sitdown'' toilets make our excretions far more difficult than it needs to be. There are some statistics that 40% of hemorrhoids are due to sitdown toilets.
2012-11-09 01:39:55 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

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Somebody said something during one of the debate threads regarding that guy trying to set someone on fire using his mind. Ever since then every time I see him I crack up. He should really become some sort of meme.
2012-11-09 01:35:01 AM
1 votes:

Hickory-smoked: Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney.

I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.

Link.


Secretary of State John Bolton. chilling.
2012-11-09 01:29:35 AM
1 votes:

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Hickory-smoked: Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney.

I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.

Link.

That was epic. Loves me some Maddow. Thanks


Ugh 14 minutes of gloating and 1 minute of sense
2012-11-09 01:19:55 AM
1 votes:
All liberals are lying homo loving economy hating socialists. And I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Leave your AIDS at home.
2012-11-09 12:58:24 AM
1 votes:

Sum Dum Gai: 3. According to a recent, Republican-led audit of the green energy program, not only is the program as a whole projected to generate a net profit to taxpayers, it's projected to be more profitable than the initial estimates when Congress approved of it.


Link if you have one, please.
2012-11-09 12:53:17 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Howard Dean pic reminds me, remember how controversial it was that he supported civil unions? Look at how much the country has changed in 8 years.

Man, you're right. The President outright supported gay marriage and he got re-elected. USA!


And all the states that voted on marriage voted in favor of equality. Heck, down here in Florida the GOP spent over a million dollars in a state house race and still couldn't beat the openly gay Equality Florida field organizer that never held a non-gay rights activist job in his life.
2012-11-09 12:50:18 AM
1 votes:

GhostFish: rynthetyn: Speaking of people who are in complete denial of reality, is Allen West still refusing to admit that he lost the election?

As far as I can tell. He's demanding a recount even though he lost by a large enough margin that the law says it's not necessary.


Guess he's discovering that in the real world you can't just get what you want by mock executing the right people.
2012-11-09 12:49:57 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: The Howard Dean pic reminds me, remember how controversial it was that he supported civil unions? Look at how much the country has changed in 8 years.


Man, you're right. The President outright supported gay marriage and he got re-elected. USA!
2012-11-09 12:46:39 AM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us.


When it's inevitable, you might as well just relax and enjoy it.


Minus 1 Charisma: And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.


THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM.

Do not triviliaze this. How many laws have been introduced across the countryin the last two years that have anything to do with your penis? How many white males have tried to tell us rape was a blessing? The Republicans lost the election because of their fetal worship and utter disrespect for women. And minorities. White guys got outvoted because they are either rich, greedy bastards or knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping racist Neanderthals.

Unless the Republicans recognize that the rest of us do not exist only for breeding purposes, your amusement or your exploitation, and that we outnumber you and will outvote you, and that we are quite aware of the evil they are capable of, they will be extinct within a decade.
2012-11-09 12:41:00 AM
1 votes:

hammettman: I kinda hope that Biden runs because he will crush the GOP crowd and I would include Christie in that crowd. For all the crowing about the Biden gaffs, the fact is, they are not really major or as big as the right wing noise machine would make them out to be. He is older, but there is a youthful vigor about him and he definitely connects with young people.


d2om8tvz4lgco4.cloudfront.net

I wouldn't be too sure about minor gaffes not being a big deal.
2012-11-09 12:39:51 AM
1 votes:
"Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly."

A life of privilege, silver spoons and caviar.

But they couldn't buy the election. Such bitter tears.

Delicious.
2012-11-09 12:25:30 AM
1 votes:

Hickory-smoked: Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney.

I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.

Link.


I had not watched this. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD THAT WAS AMAZING
2012-11-09 12:24:17 AM
1 votes:

clkeagle: Sum Dum Gai: 2. Even failed companies aren't a total loss. Their intellectual property remains, and can help to drive the industry forward even if it's done by other players. Likewise, even a promising road that ultimately ends up being a dead-end advances the field.

I'd also add this. The money didn't just disappear into the ether. It went to the employees of those companies while they were open, to their suppliers and contractors, and then right back into the economy. Efficient use of stimulus funds? Not directly. But it was spent, and spent in the local economies for those companies. It's not like the money went into a black hole where it just moves back and forth between financial instruments, fostering no consumer demand, creating no jobs, or freezing innovation for over a decade.

Hey wait - that's exactly what happens to money that goes to Romney and his pals.


One small difference; if the government does it, Romney and his pals don't get their cut.
2012-11-09 12:24:01 AM
1 votes:
I used to think there was some sort of realpolitik circle of leaders within the GOP, who knew objective reality but twisted it for their own ends. I don't think that anymore. They started believing their own bullshiat as much as the rubes who vote for them.
2012-11-09 12:21:30 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: All in all, though, I'm pretty happy with Obama's stewardship and with Obama the man.

Exactly right. I'm in my twenties, and I'm pretty sure when my time comes I'll consider Barack Obama the best President of my life. And I'm quite happy with that.


But there are so many Presidents yet to come.
2012-11-09 12:15:45 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: I recently installed MAME for the specific purpose of playing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade games. The headline therefore amuses me.


4 Player TMNT is best TMNT.
2012-11-09 12:05:21 AM
1 votes:
At some point, I look forward to reading the book about this election, from the crazy primaries to the final hours in Romney's war room. I just hope when it gets written that they've got enough campaign insiders for all various republican candidates to really make it juicy and embarrassing for all of them.
2012-11-08 11:54:20 PM
1 votes:
What kind of delusional egomaniac doesn't have a concession speech prepared?

Did he not watch The West Wing?!
2012-11-08 11:53:50 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).


Why not, I'm bored. I voted for Obama because he was the objectively better candidate.

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

He got rich by stealing and looting. Even Ayn Rand, hyper-capitalist, considered his brand of vulture capitalism to be a bad thing because he did not create wealth, merely extract it. As a person? He was a spoiled little rich-biatch, every account of "commoners" meeting him came away with that message. He'd be personable if you were part of his class, but anyone outside that circle wasn't even worth a smile. And none of this is why I didn't vote for him. I voted for Obama because through all his flip-flops and quantum political positions the only thing that remained constant was a belief in Monetarist-like Reaganomics, which are only going to dig a deeper hole.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Romney's worse that George Bush. George Bush had the balls to stand for something, Romney stood for nothing but half-assed greed.

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

If Green energy got half the subsidies that oil HAS gotten in the past, let alone the subsidies that foreign governments give to their domestic green initiatives then we would probably be kings of the industry right now. It's called "planning ahead," as in planning for when the oil runs out, which IS still inevitable no matter HOW much you chant "drill baby drill." Also we spent 4 trillion dollars, the other 2 were "settling accounts" by putting Dubya's wars back on the books instead of pretending they didn't count.

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

See above.

That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.

Actually most of that money is back in the economy. It was spent, you see, on hiring people, on buying products, on renting services, on DOING shiat instead of squatting on it like a toad. Meanwhile the holy and blessed Job Creators (PBUT) are squatting on record cash reserves, more than enough to cover ALL our "kids money, grandkids money, etc." because...?

Right, because there are no customers left to buy their shiat.
2012-11-08 11:45:38 PM
1 votes:
A page full of people quoting this Minus 1 Charisma guy. Republicans arent the only ones who never seem to learn
2012-11-08 11:39:20 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


Now you're just flaunting it. Never remove all doubt. Always leave people thinking, "Maybe he was serious..."
2012-11-08 11:33:33 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I don't agree with the Republicans on everything, but the economy should be everyone's top priority. Without a thriving economy, nothing else matters. Whether your issue is birth control, gay marriage or legalizing marijuana - look I agree with all of those things as well, but as a logical human being that regularly exercises intellectual honesty I can tell you that none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.

I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney. I am disgusted that he didn't win. The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us. I've been around a while and these times we're going through are NOT the norm, and they never should be in America. Maybe if you're reading this you are just too young to know. People used to have enough to get by and then some. If you're not feeling it yet you will. And believe it or not when the (evil?) rich people feel it the poor people feel it too. Just read history.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail. With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair. While I agree that the health care system was broken and that health care ebing a right is worth debate = Obama care was not the answer. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.

You guys have doomed yourselves and you don't even know it yet. You cheer America's demise. Grab a calculator. We're completely farked. WOOPIE!! 

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. ...


Iran. I firmly believe that under President Romney we would be at war with Iran within a year. Another pointless war that would add $10 trillion to the debt just like the last one.

I can understand not liking Obama. I cannot understand supporting Romney. The man is a sociopath who will surround himself with W's advisors. How did those advisors do the first time around?
2012-11-08 11:31:26 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.


Economic growth has been exceeding population growth from 2010 to 2012. There was only a two year period (2008-2010) where they did not.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail.

Actually, he's done fairly good with the economy. As some of jst3p's graphs show, many key indicators reached inflection points during Obama's term, often tied to specific actions such as the stimulus. Even in an area you rail against him for - the growth of the debt - the debt-to-GDP ratio grew less in four years of Obama than in the last two fiscal years of Bush's.

With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair.

I disagree, and more importantly, so does the CBO, who are far more qualified to make that determination than either you or I. According to them, it will save money for the government. Before you accuse the CBO of partisanship, let me remind you the person in charge of doing those projections was the same person whose projections of massive cost overruns sank Bill Clinton's proposed healthcare reform.
2012-11-08 11:25:46 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.

Agreed. I think it's just spinning. Better to say you were self deluded and surprise than to admit you were a complete liar and bullshiat artist.

That's not to say there probably weren't some DERPers on some outer rings of the staff who were drinking Kool Aid, but I think the real small inside circle guys knew the reality.


Basically this. It was a calculated lie to lose gracefully. They lied even at the last possible thing you can lie on.
2012-11-08 11:18:44 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($7 ...


A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09.

Next?
2012-11-08 11:16:21 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.


Why u ignore my question? Why??
2012-11-08 11:11:32 PM
1 votes:

theorellior: Servocrowatian: What ever became of tenpoundsofcheese?

Haven't seen him around at all these past few days...

Since he basically admitted in several threads that he's a paid shill and collects on the number of reactions he gets, he might have been pulled off covering Fark and either let go or directed elsewhere.


Tenpoundsofcheese and Envirodude have made appearances since Tuesday. They have been few and far between but they've been around. I'm jut wondering if they will eventually just go away or we'll be stuck with them repeating the same old talking points till the midterms.
2012-11-08 11:10:55 PM
1 votes:
So, yeah, I think I'm happy having a president who isn't surprised when things turn out the way the best intelligence says, instead of an entitled dickbag who surrounds himself with sycophants who lie to him to make him happy. How would that have worked out? "Oh, uh, yes Mr President Iran likes us now."
2012-11-08 11:09:27 PM
1 votes:

Apos: TV's Vinnie: So anyway, speaking of smug repubitards, whatever happened to tenpoundsofcheese? Haven't seen him since election night. Sure hope the little goon didn't do anything drastic.

I was wondering the same thing. Do you think a candlelight vigil is in order?


Possibly. My guess is that a Valkyrie swooped down and took him and all the other Fark ConservaTrolls to FAILhalla.
2012-11-08 11:03:56 PM
1 votes:
Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies. That is all. Romney lies to the public. Lied to himself about the polls. We really dodged a bullet by not electing this liar. Difficulty: Mitt is just a symptom of all the lies of Fox News and the party of Rush Limbaugh.
2012-11-08 11:01:22 PM
1 votes:
I'll put this in BEFORE reading the thread.

I keep wondering why I continue to be obsessed with news articles about an election that's over and done with. I got, in the words of a well-known boehnhead, ninety-eight percent of what I wanted, and even the President has stopped celebrating and gone back to governing.

I realized a couple of hours ago that what's obsessing me is the conservative reaction to Obama's victory. I'm watching very closely to see which way the wind blows, to see whether the right wing has finally had its moment of clarity. I had a feeling that a faction would be surprised that Obama had won, given the party's penchant for echo chambers and friendly media. I didn't expect that faction to be "the Republican party" faction.

I'm not really the only one wondering, actually. The media wants to know, too. And I'm seeing article after article of Republicans admitting, probably for the first time since 1994, that their problems are internal. In a lot of cases this just means Republicans pointing at other Republicans and blaming them ("It's all Christie's fault!") but I've seen a few cases where Republicans hang their heads and say, "You know, our political machinery, so dependent on a certain set of conditions, is no longer serving us and is in desperate need of an update." Pointing at someone else and telling the voter "All your problems are his fault" is failing as a campaign strategy.

Oh, there's plenty of derp to go around. But this was the first time in my life I was sorry not to get Fox News. I've seen clips of the utter, blank shock as the results poured in, the white faces, the open mouths, the huge eyes, the poleaxed disbelief. Plus Megyn Kelley's furious march to the situation room, and Sarah Palin - who can hardly finish a sentence at the best of times - all but bursting into tears. At this point, I'm wondering whether they're thinking they'll have to change their editorial direction to maintain credibility among their base.
2012-11-08 10:57:05 PM
1 votes:

MacWizard: Romney may have been shellshocked, but apparently the first thing he thought of was cancelling all of his staff's credit cards. Probably did it before he wrote the concession speech.

"Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked."

Link


You're shiatting me.

If you worried there wasn't going to be anyone doing a tell all, worry no more.

"We're the people who do your laundry and cook your food and serve your dinner. We make your bed. We guard you while you're asleep. We drive the ambulances. We direct your call. We are cooks and taxi drivers and we know everything about you. We process your insurance claims and credit card charges. We control every part of your life."
2012-11-08 10:53:44 PM
1 votes:
I'm so excited! There's a whole new crop of deep-freeze troll accounts that are being thawed out for our perusal now that the election is over. It's like the first cheeps of baby birds in spring.
2012-11-08 10:49:15 PM
1 votes:
So anyway, speaking of smug repubitards, whatever happened to tenpoundsofcheese? Haven't seen him since election night. Sure hope the little goon didn't do anything drastic.
2012-11-08 10:46:36 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.

I doubt it. All he has to do is reinvent himself and the cash comes rolling in.


When you've convinced a collection of billionaires to donate huge sums to your PAC -- and then your PAC fails to get a single person elected -- you've now got a collection of very pissed off billionaires on your back.

The people who gave Rove big bucks aren't going to make that mistake again.
2012-11-08 10:44:29 PM
1 votes:

culebra: The farkers really thought they were going to win, and win big. Either they're utterly delusional and out of touch, or they were counting on something that didn't materialize. Normally sane Republican pundits missed the EV count by over 100. Karl Rove almost acted like he couldn't believe the scheming in Ohio didn't work, as if some crucial piece of the puzzle hadn't fallen into place.

Of course the simplest, and correct, answer is that Republicans are by and large just out to lunch. I guess you'd have to be,


The "holy shiat, the fix isn't in?!" reaction was my feeling too.
2012-11-08 10:44:18 PM
1 votes:

Vectron: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.

The Republican party will never win another national election as long as they remain today's Republicans. There are not enough gullible Fox viewers, white men, millionaires, evangelicals and racists to put together a majority.

What do you picture the party morphing into? The can't out Democrat the Democrats.

70% of Jews, Hispanics and Asians voted for the Democrats. Also the majority of single mothers. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama, That is real identity politics.

By racist, I assume you mean white people. What's wrong with white people having someone that represents their interests.


Cite a single example of white people needing their interests protected. Thought not.

Also, why are you implying that only a white man can protect the interests of white people?

Psst, Jews are white. But I suppose they're not the right kind of white.
2012-11-08 10:42:58 PM
1 votes:

neongoats: inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.

The crowing is NOTHING compared to what we heard from the GOP post 2004 supreme court elected GWB. You assholes spent 8 farking years calling everyone that wasn't a white fundamentalist GOP lover "terrorists". The GOP is getting the derision and rejection they have been earning for 12+ years. End of story.

Biden? Yes, I think Biden would crush anyone in the current GOP except Christie.

Gool ol Joe is more Like-able than even Bill Clinton, without the scandalous history. He really is America's happy warrior. Every time I hear him speak or see a picture of him all I can think is "this guy is really loving his job and his life and really truly wants to spread that light to every American"

Gaffes just make even more human.


I kinda hope that Biden runs because he will crush the GOP crowd and I would include Christie in that crowd. For all the crowing about the Biden gaffs, the fact is, they are not really major or as big as the right wing noise machine would make them out to be. He is older, but there is a youthful vigor about him and he definitely connects with young people. If he runs, he'll run with the economy having been repaired and doing well, having helped usher in health care for future generations, and as someone who did not tolerate the bullshiat mountain deposited by the GOP on the country.
2012-11-08 10:42:37 PM
1 votes:

Vectron: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.

The Republican party will never win another national election as long as they remain today's Republicans. There are not enough gullible Fox viewers, white men, millionaires, evangelicals and racists to put together a majority.

What do you picture the party morphing into? The can't out Democrat the Democrats.

70% of Jews, Hispanics and Asians voted for the Democrats. Also the majority of single mothers. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama, That is real identity politics.

By racist, I assume you mean white people. What's wrong with white people having someone that represents their interests.


So you believe all white people are racists or that jews aren't white people?
2012-11-08 10:41:42 PM
1 votes:
Mitt Romney has led a charmed life, and this is the first epic setback that he's ever had, AFAIK. I'm not surprised he's shell shocked...
2012-11-08 10:41:17 PM
1 votes:
...the House remains red...

Reds, reds, HAR HAR, I'm gonna start calling Republicans Reds.

And Fark Independents I shall call Pinkos.

Tailgunner Joe would sh*t kittens the size of Buicks if he knew his party had [unofficially] chosen Commie Red as their colour.

red diaper GOPer babies
red diaper GOPer babies
red diaper GOPer babies
DANCE, DANCE! 
2012-11-08 10:40:46 PM
1 votes:

pup.socket: Frankly, I am surprised that Romney's campaign lied to itself so badly. I don't understand the motivation to do so.


It's one thing to lie to others, but to lie to yourself ....

Then again, this campaign is going down in history as one of the worst ever. It seemed like every other week some statement was being walked back, or some gaffe had to be explained ...etc.
2012-11-08 10:31:19 PM
1 votes:

Minus 1 Charisma: I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney.


It baffles me how an atheist would be comfortable voting for the American Taliban party that the GOP has become post-Reagan.

/not going to debate because you're not going to change your mind i'm a spineless marxist nazi traitor.
2012-11-08 10:29:59 PM
1 votes:
www.bradbyers.com

Nailed it!
2012-11-08 10:20:47 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.


I heard that as well. Ann Romney was crying in Iowa and all that.

I think it has something to do with the software patches. The judge tossed out the case - Romney thought he was safe.
2012-11-08 10:19:39 PM
1 votes:

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


How many Republican voters are going to die of old age between now and then?
How many younger people and minorities are clamoring to join up with the GOP?

Goooood luck.

If they win, it will only come after completely reinventing themselves. And that will be hard for a party that's embraced the idea that compromise is weakness.
2012-11-08 10:17:56 PM
1 votes:
I didn't vote against Romnoid.

I fired him.

/I like being able to fire Romney.
2012-11-08 10:16:28 PM
1 votes:

Shakin_Haitian: I also wondered why there were so many republican callers trying to get me to vote even though the county I live in has always voted 70% republican


Because your vote counts at a state level, so the winner in the county is meaningless?
2012-11-08 10:06:52 PM
1 votes:

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.

I can attest to this. I live in Hillsborough County in Florida, and I got Obama campaign volunteers at my door Friday night. I told them I'd be voting for Obama on Tuesday with my partner, and the girl whipped out a datapad and said "Okay, I'll mark you down for Tuesday then as a vote for President Obama, thanks very much for your support", gave me a bunch of polling information on the amendments and other down ticket races on the ballot, and she and her huge male partner (who I can only assume was her bodyguard considering my suburb which is known for it's GOPness) and they moved down to the next house.

I was pretty impressed.


I have a friend who got hired late in the campaign to run the get out to vote efforts for 10 Florida counties. I was in China with him this summer studying while he was just working as a volunteer, and rather than taking a month off because he was in frikking China, he spent the month driving his roommate nuts because every spare moment he was on Google Voice running the college GOTV operation for Florida.
2012-11-08 10:01:30 PM
1 votes:

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


You should have yourself frozen in carbonite for the next 4 years so you can wake up to a republican utopia.
2012-11-08 09:57:01 PM
1 votes:
home.comcast.net
"NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!"
2012-11-08 09:55:25 PM
1 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com
2012-11-08 09:52:54 PM
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.


What about if we all did the opposite? All register as independents and BANKRUPT THE MOTHERF*CKERS!
2012-11-08 09:50:03 PM
1 votes:

Devolving_Spud: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

"Like...wait...someone is telling me I'm not getting what I wanted....like....nobody has EVER...I don't even..."


Romney girl needs to reshave her stache.
2012-11-08 09:49:11 PM
1 votes:
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

"Like...wait...someone is telling me I'm not getting what I wanted....like....nobody has EVER...I don't even..."
2012-11-08 09:46:10 PM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.

The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened.


The Republicans do something similar.

I've worked the polls in the last three elections here in Colorado. There were no party pollwatchers four years ago, but this time around, we had a R pollwatcher parked there all day, only leaving to go out to where phones were allowed to report who needed calling. She was terribly shocked that the D pollwatchers only came by three times during the day, but I think they were covering several precincts, which seemed like a much more efficient use of volunteer time. Also, the R pollwatcher wasn't just checking a list of R supporters, she also had an apparently out of date list of registered voters and was trying to police us as if she was going to find some vast voter fraud.
2012-11-08 09:42:35 PM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.


My first registered post on fark was when he sank hillary on super tuesday. One slick machine destroyed in an instant by an even slicker one. I believe that post was a picture of the death star exploding when hillary's coronation was denied.
2012-11-08 09:42:18 PM
1 votes:

Fifi Le Pew: I've tried to remain magnanimous and not say anything to anyone, especially at work. But I am here to tell you, I can't WAIT to listen the right wing radio shows on the commute home from work. I have the most inappropriate shiat-eating grin on my face the whole drive home. The best one I've heard so far: God is PUNISHING us for our SINFUL ways. LOL.


THIS...though everybody at work has been curiously, deliciously silent at work. I relish every day.
2012-11-08 09:42:15 PM
1 votes:
Not to mention -

2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

They lost because Fark IndependentsTM is found in real life, not just Fark. Mwahahaha.
2012-11-08 09:36:34 PM
1 votes:
But according to my numbers, Romney should have won, the planet isn't warming, and the earth is only 6,000 years old! How could I ever have been prepared for this??
2012-11-08 09:35:33 PM
1 votes:
That game was the sole reason to go to Chuck E. Cheese in the early 90's.
2012-11-08 09:30:10 PM
1 votes:

impaler: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

Yet the Republicans would have us believe Romney was a good choice because he knows how to run things.


Here's an example of a Romney campaign screw up. One of my Romney supporter friends was tweeting on election day about how he went to poll watch at the precinct that the campaign had assigned him to and three people all showed up credentialed as Connie Mack poll watchers. Since only one person from each candidate is allowed in a precinct, that means that they had two volunteers who were ready and willing to go but ended up sitting at home because the campaign was too incompetent to make sure that they were credentialing people properly. That's like field organizing 101 and they couldn't even get that right.
2012-11-08 09:30:05 PM
1 votes:
i'm shellshocked that this guy could be this thick
2012-11-08 09:28:27 PM
1 votes:
Awww, did someone think they could simply have billionaires buy you the presidency? Poor little fellah.
2012-11-08 09:27:43 PM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com

/hot like gop tears
2012-11-08 09:24:59 PM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened.


That's pretty amazing in a creepy sort of way. I actually voted early but I got the Obama check-up call at 4pm reminding me to vote. Funny thing is that I don't even live in a remotely battleground state ...
2012-11-08 09:24:37 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Actually, Romney also had a system to track voter turnout on Election Day. The Problem was that it crashed at around 9:30 or 10:00 AM EST and they couldn't get it back up.


Must have outsourced IT to get a better bottom line.
2012-11-08 09:24:20 PM
1 votes:
Romney Gobsmacked. Biased Boffins Blow Their Own Polls!
2012-11-08 09:23:40 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.


I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.
2012-11-08 09:13:44 PM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened


That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.
2012-11-08 08:33:45 PM
1 votes:
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

24.media.tumblr.com


www.bagnewsnotes.com
2012-11-08 08:30:43 PM
1 votes:
I've tried to remain magnanimous and not say anything to anyone, especially at work. But I am here to tell you, I can't WAIT to listen the right wing radio shows on the commute home from work. I have the most inappropriate shiat-eating grin on my face the whole drive home. The best one I've heard so far: God is PUNISHING us for our SINFUL ways. LOL.
2012-11-08 08:19:36 PM
1 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2012-11-08 08:17:21 PM
1 votes:
The Facebook Teabagger reaction has been all over the map, from spittle-flecked, purple faced runon sentenced rage rants, to Bible verse posts praying from deliverance of Obama's next 4 years, to birther-toned rants asking him to just leave and go back to Kenya.

I promised I wasn't going to gloat over a Romney loss, but after reading TFA, well...

BUUAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA FOOLS BUAUAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED BUAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA..

OK election's over, back to watching cat videos on YouTube, folks..
2012-11-08 08:16:34 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney....As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

That's amazing. They believed one set of polls favorable to them, and used those polls to unskew other sets of polls.

I mean...I don't have words.
2012-11-08 07:39:25 PM
1 votes:

dletter: Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


They didn't have a good foundation. I blush when I think about how embarrassing this is; if I were a republican I'd wear a mask ora concealer or something.
2012-11-08 07:13:27 PM
1 votes:

dletter: That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Yes, and that's what they ran their campaign strategy on. How can the GOP be trusted with ANYTHING now?
2012-11-08 07:12:02 PM
1 votes:
An hero he should become
2012-11-08 06:06:06 PM
1 votes:

xynix: That's what happens when you live in an echo-chamber. I live south of Forsyth County, GA and that's about as red of a county as you get. They all believed Romney was going to win by a land slide and were so mystified that he actually lost. When the only people you associate with are hard right rednecks you begin to believe the hyperbole.


One of the last Tea Derper posts I saw on my facebook wall on Tuesday: "This is a lot closer than I expected."
2012-11-08 05:45:03 PM
1 votes:

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Damn Fark Independents.
2012-11-08 04:58:32 PM
1 votes:
We call it Post Traumatic Stress Disorder now.
 
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