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(CBS News)   Romney "shellshocked" by loss. Normally, when I get shellshocked I put in another quarter and try using Donatello instead   (cbsnews.com) divider line 454
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2012-11-08 11:15:20 PM  

quickdraw: Apparently they were told there would be no math.


LMAO!!
 
2012-11-08 11:16:09 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Apos: TV's Vinnie: So anyway, speaking of smug repubitards, whatever happened to tenpoundsofcheese? Haven't seen him since election night. Sure hope the little goon didn't do anything drastic.

I was wondering the same thing. Do you think a candlelight vigil is in order?

Possibly. My guess is that a Valkyrie swooped down and took him and all the other Fark ConservaTrolls to FAILhalla.


I want Failhalla to be a meme, but so far this is the closest I could think of that exists.
 
2012-11-08 11:16:21 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.


Why u ignore my question? Why??
 
2012-11-08 11:17:09 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I'm a troll who is going to ignore you anyway.


Well OK then.
 
2012-11-08 11:17:46 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).


See what happens when you feed a troll after dark?

You encourage him.

Shame on you fark.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:44 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($7 ...


A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09.

Next?
 
2012-11-08 11:20:29 PM  
Minus 1 Charisma: You seem to have plenty of answers for your own questions, yet you won't answer anyone else's. All in all, you seem....concerned.

Also, if you ever level up again go ahead and put a few points into your Bluff skill. You've rolled your share of 1s tonight already.
 
2012-11-08 11:20:50 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com


You asked for facts, I gave them. You haven't responded.

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy.

This is a great illustration of a straw man fallacy. Make an argument no one is making, attribute it to the opposition then beat it down.
 
2012-11-08 11:22:48 PM  

joonyer: Minus 1 Charisma: You seem to have plenty of answers for your own questions, yet you won't answer anyone else's. All in all, you seem....concerned.

Also, if you ever level up again go ahead and put a few points into your Bluff skill. You've rolled your share of 1s tonight already.


Charisma checks aren't his problem, he rolled gully dwarf int.

"One and one and one and one and one. Two.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:42 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond.


memeorama.com 

I give you 1.5/10, just because I'm feeling magnanimous.
 
2012-11-08 11:25:01 PM  
Fantastic headline subby.

/preferred Leonardo
 
2012-11-08 11:25:04 PM  
Shell shocked, indeed. It was worse than when he was holding the Maginot line with all those wine and coffee drinking frenchies against the Vietcong. The horror.
 
2012-11-08 11:25:46 PM  

InmanRoshi: mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.

Agreed. I think it's just spinning. Better to say you were self deluded and surprise than to admit you were a complete liar and bullshiat artist.

That's not to say there probably weren't some DERPers on some outer rings of the staff who were drinking Kool Aid, but I think the real small inside circle guys knew the reality.


Basically this. It was a calculated lie to lose gracefully. They lied even at the last possible thing you can lie on.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:14 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

See what happens when you feed a troll after dark?

You encourage him.

Shame on you fark.


In my defense, he didn't respond to me.

/must.shift.blame.
//he he he!
 
2012-11-08 11:27:07 PM  

Richard Roma: InmanRoshi: It's a little bit too obvious of a Godwin, but this entire article is begging for a Downfall parody of Romney Headquarters on election night. .

There's already several Downfalls about the election, but this one is gold.


Oh man, I thought that meme had long passed it's expiration date, but that one had me in stitches.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:19 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

See what happens when you feed a troll after dark?

You encourage him.

Shame on you fark.


Never saw the name before so I thought he might be for real. I know better now.
 
2012-11-08 11:30:33 PM  
"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

This speaks volumes about the GOP in general. Their concept of 'reality' is a completely made-up fantasy.
 
2012-11-08 11:31:25 PM  

Kittypie070: 10lbsofFAIL?

I hope he had a pickle incident.


He dropped into the Business tab earlier today to try to sell his derp there. It appears the bidness farkers aren't buying his bullshiat either.
 
2012-11-08 11:31:26 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.


Economic growth has been exceeding population growth from 2010 to 2012. There was only a two year period (2008-2010) where they did not.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail.

Actually, he's done fairly good with the economy. As some of jst3p's graphs show, many key indicators reached inflection points during Obama's term, often tied to specific actions such as the stimulus. Even in an area you rail against him for - the growth of the debt - the debt-to-GDP ratio grew less in four years of Obama than in the last two fiscal years of Bush's.

With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair.

I disagree, and more importantly, so does the CBO, who are far more qualified to make that determination than either you or I. According to them, it will save money for the government. Before you accuse the CBO of partisanship, let me remind you the person in charge of doing those projections was the same person whose projections of massive cost overruns sank Bill Clinton's proposed healthcare reform.
 
2012-11-08 11:33:33 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I don't agree with the Republicans on everything, but the economy should be everyone's top priority. Without a thriving economy, nothing else matters. Whether your issue is birth control, gay marriage or legalizing marijuana - look I agree with all of those things as well, but as a logical human being that regularly exercises intellectual honesty I can tell you that none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.

I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney. I am disgusted that he didn't win. The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us. I've been around a while and these times we're going through are NOT the norm, and they never should be in America. Maybe if you're reading this you are just too young to know. People used to have enough to get by and then some. If you're not feeling it yet you will. And believe it or not when the (evil?) rich people feel it the poor people feel it too. Just read history.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail. With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair. While I agree that the health care system was broken and that health care ebing a right is worth debate = Obama care was not the answer. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.

You guys have doomed yourselves and you don't even know it yet. You cheer America's demise. Grab a calculator. We're completely farked. WOOPIE!! 

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. ...


Iran. I firmly believe that under President Romney we would be at war with Iran within a year. Another pointless war that would add $10 trillion to the debt just like the last one.

I can understand not liking Obama. I cannot understand supporting Romney. The man is a sociopath who will surround himself with W's advisors. How did those advisors do the first time around?
 
2012-11-08 11:34:13 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Actually, he's done fairly good with the economy. As some of jst3p's graphs show, many key indicators reached inflection points during Obama's term, often tied to specific actions such as the stimulus. Even in an area you rail against him for - the growth of the debt - the debt-to-GDP ratio grew less in four years of Obama than in the last two fiscal years of Bush's.


It's been better than 'fairly good' if you compare it to other financial crises. Graph below:

www.washingtonpost.com

In the short term, only Japan did better. And they sucked in the long term, so its possible we're actually doing the best of anyone.
 
2012-11-08 11:34:48 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney.


I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.

Link.
 
2012-11-08 11:35:09 PM  

coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09


Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.
 
2012-11-08 11:39:16 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


I smell some bad alternate reality fiction a-brewing.
 
2012-11-08 11:39:20 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


Now you're just flaunting it. Never remove all doubt. Always leave people thinking, "Maybe he was serious..."
 
2012-11-08 11:40:13 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


It's not giving Obama a pass. It's saying that we believe Romney would not do any better. Combine that with his other negative attributes and you'll see why we chose the devil we knew.
 
2012-11-08 11:41:23 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: He is your President


Are you not American?
 
2012-11-08 11:44:29 PM  

Hickory-smoked: I'm guessing you probably don't care much for Rachel Maddow, but if it you're willing to actually sit and listen for 16 minutes, she could explain it so much better than I can.


I watched that clip this morning at work, I watch Maddow almost nightly. I think she is a smug, closed-minded coont, but I watch with fascination - how could someone so intelligent be so closed-minded and sure of her opinions?
Also when I say "I don't like" a particular talking head I like to do so from experience. That is not to imply that you personally do not but I have met so many people that despise this right-winger or that right winger and after some probing they have never even watched/listened to them.

Rachel Maddow is the Glenn Beck of the left. Actually she is worse. Her snark is so incredibly cringe-worthy that like a car accident I can't look away.

Also, not trying to be snarky myself, but before someone wants to tell me how educated she is I just want to mention that O'Reilly has a masters from Harvard and Michael Savage has his PhD from Cali Berkeley.
 
2012-11-08 11:45:19 PM  

Richard Roma: InmanRoshi: It's a little bit too obvious of a Godwin, but this entire article is begging for a Downfall parody of Romney Headquarters on election night. .

There's already several Downfalls about the election, but this one is gold.


"We both know how to put on a good Olympic Games."

/Olympic gold, Jerry
 
2012-11-08 11:45:38 PM  
A page full of people quoting this Minus 1 Charisma guy. Republicans arent the only ones who never seem to learn
 
2012-11-08 11:46:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Minus 1 Charisma: He is your President

Are you not American?


As a fictional character, I think he's technically considered a citizen of Fantasia.
 
2012-11-08 11:47:16 PM  
Thats what happens when you surround yourself with yes men and buy your own bullshiat. He would have made dangerous president
 
2012-11-08 11:47:37 PM  

GhostFish: Now you're just flaunting it. Never remove all doubt. Always leave people thinking, "Maybe he was serious..."


I know. Not 36 hours later and the bullshiat starts up again. GTFO, lame troll! Just go away!
 
2012-11-08 11:47:39 PM  

jst3p: gaspode: How? how can these intelligent educated people who work in politics have not seen what was transparently farking obvious? Is wishful thinking and confirmation bias so very very powerful?

Deeply religious people are accustomed to holding on to a "truth" even when verifiable facts contradict this "truth" so long as many people also hold on to this "truth". They believe the earth is 6000 years old. They believe people were created as a species, did not evolve. They believe dinosaurs are a trick to test their faith. They believe the global climate is not changing. Given all that it isn't difficult to understand that they could believe "the polls are all wrong" regardless of the facts. Facts are irrelevant if they know the "truth" about something.


I see you've "studied it out".
 
2012-11-08 11:53:47 PM  
Wow, I honestly thought that the conservative pundits and the Romney campaign new they were going to lose, but they were just trying to keep their sides' spirits up. But no, they were being honest. They were just that stupid. Any impartial look at the polling or the fact that the majority Independents were just Republicans under a different name would've told them the truth.
 
2012-11-08 11:53:50 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: Fart_Machine: I have a feeling Minus 1 Charisma won't be back.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).


Why not, I'm bored. I voted for Obama because he was the objectively better candidate.

Why did you feel that Barack Obama deserved your vote more than Mitt Romney? Because Romney was wealthy? I don't know about you but I'd rather have a wealthy guy in charge of the economy. Because he is a Mormon? Do you think he is going to pass a law that we all have to be at Church on Sundays? The guy didn't even drink alcohol. It was pretty amazing. The guy seemed like a farking decent guy. It's disgusting the way he was demonized.

He got rich by stealing and looting. Even Ayn Rand, hyper-capitalist, considered his brand of vulture capitalism to be a bad thing because he did not create wealth, merely extract it. As a person? He was a spoiled little rich-biatch, every account of "commoners" meeting him came away with that message. He'd be personable if you were part of his class, but anyone outside that circle wasn't even worth a smile. And none of this is why I didn't vote for him. I voted for Obama because through all his flip-flops and quantum political positions the only thing that remained constant was a belief in Monetarist-like Reaganomics, which are only going to dig a deeper hole.

Bush sucked. Fark George Bush. I agree. But Romney is not George Bush any more than Obama is Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Well maybe Jimmy Carter ;)

Romney's worse that George Bush. George Bush had the balls to stand for something, Romney stood for nothing but half-assed greed.

Many of your posts seem to make the point that "Well the economy is growing...kinda." It's not growing at an acceptable rate. We spent 6 trillion dollars getting us to exactly where we were predicted to be had we not used a stimulus at all. It was enough to write a check for every citizen of the US for about $3000. Now I'm no Paul Krugman, but I'm pretty sure that as ridiculous as that option sounds it would have been better than throwing the money into the giant black hole that is green energy

If Green energy got half the subsidies that oil HAS gotten in the past, let alone the subsidies that foreign governments give to their domestic green initiatives then we would probably be kings of the industry right now. It's called "planning ahead," as in planning for when the oil runs out, which IS still inevitable no matter HOW much you chant "drill baby drill." Also we spent 4 trillion dollars, the other 2 were "settling accounts" by putting Dubya's wars back on the books instead of pretending they didn't count.

The following is a list of "green" companies funded by the "stimulus" that have gone bankrupt or are teetering on the edge of doing so: ("*" denotes companies that have already gone bankrupt)

See above.

That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.

Actually most of that money is back in the economy. It was spent, you see, on hiring people, on buying products, on renting services, on DOING shiat instead of squatting on it like a toad. Meanwhile the holy and blessed Job Creators (PBUT) are squatting on record cash reserves, more than enough to cover ALL our "kids money, grandkids money, etc." because...?

Right, because there are no customers left to buy their shiat.
 
2012-11-08 11:54:20 PM  
What kind of delusional egomaniac doesn't have a concession speech prepared?

Did he not watch The West Wing?!
 
2012-11-08 11:58:40 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why they voted Obama so I can respond. I see a post with 1000 cut and pasted graphs from obamatron.com


I wouldn't be so quick to ignore those graphs. Remember, your boys got themselves in the position they're in by writing off all the math as "from obamatron.com".

and a bunch of "yer a stupid-head" snark-comments (which I expected).

Welcome to Fark.

Just in case you're serious, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain why I pulled for Obama: because he's done a good job. Could he have done better? Sure. But he stopped the bleeding of jobs, and has slowly improved things since then (yes, yes, I know, we'd be in exactly the same position if he'd done nothing, sure we would and Bob's your uncle). He saved the American auto industry. He pushed health care reform through, and even if it isn't the exact health care reform I wanted to see, it's a damn sight better than what we had before. Same goes for financial reform; I may have wanted to see more, but Dodd-Frank is better than what we had. He got Bin Laden by doing exactly what he said he was going to do, even when everybody else called him naive for saying it (and of course, all the Monday morning quarterbacks came out of the woodwork afterwards to say they'd totes do the same thing). He took care of a very sticky situation in Libya without setting boots on the ground. He did exactly what he said he would in Iraq and Afghanistan; he got us out of Iraq, doubled-down on Afghanistan, got the job done there, and now we have a timetable to get the hell out of there too. Oh, and DADT is done, too.

And all those loans there? The ones where you want to cherry-pick the losers? I think he was right to make them. Of course some of them aren't going to work out. If these investments were a sure thing, the government wouldn't have had to make the loans; the banks would be falling all over themselves to make them. But, regardless of the risk, we have no future without alternative energy. We can only pillage the Earth for so long before we run out of resources. But the sun and the wind aren't going anywhere for a very long time.

And what did Romney offer us in Obama's stead? More unfunded tax cuts for the rich, more supply-side, trickle-down bullshiat, and another war in the middle east. Oh, and "Christian values". You want to tell me how Romney's not Bush? I sure as hell couldn't tell the difference.
 
2012-11-08 11:59:09 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: That money is gone. Thats your money, that's my money, that your kids money, your grandkids money. It's never coming back. It's absolutely astounding and you should not be ok with it.


I'm completely OK with it:

1. The losses are acceptable. Any R&D investment carries risks. Bell Labs, perhaps the single brightest example of private R&D success, had seven out of every ten projects fail. From that remaining 30%, however, came inventions that would transform society on a scale as significant as, if not more significant than, the Industrial Revolution.

2. Even failed companies aren't a total loss. Their intellectual property remains, and can help to drive the industry forward even if it's done by other players. Likewise, even a promising road that ultimately ends up being a dead-end advances the field.

3. According to a recent, Republican-led audit of the green energy program, not only is the program as a whole projected to generate a net profit to taxpayers, it's projected to be more profitable than the initial estimates when Congress approved of it.
 
2012-11-08 11:59:58 PM  

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Over in one. Wow! That's some excellent information.
 
2012-11-09 12:00:27 AM  

amiable: inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.

Will we rue the day?


Consequences will never be the same.
 
2012-11-09 12:01:59 AM  

impaler:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - unnamed aide to George W. Bush


These aren't just the ravings of some modern-day Rasputin, a mad-man instituting a draconian crackdown at the state fair! The Donner Party had better odds of finding a fox in the snow to eat than these Christian soldiers declaring, "I'm a quitter." But it'll be a dark February, full of fire and ice before these rats find a brand new key to open the cage in a cave that they've found themselves in. For now at least, it's Doomsday averted, and we can be high on life until our lies spell the hunter's kiss of death for sweet sister temperance. I know they say that the infidel is me. The mayor says that the pruning of the things I'm gonna do will be the new zero for them. The question of time is just how long it will be before we stay behind and watch TV while theses cry babies try to create their utopian society again.
 
2012-11-09 12:02:06 AM  

Bladel: It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-11-09 12:05:08 AM  

BSABSVR: impaler: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

That would be literally putting the cart before the horse, since using polling that includes a favorable turnout level involves, you know, actually getting the vote out.

I have to say that living in a contested swing state, it appears that the Romney camp decided to spend more money and Obama camp decided to try to be more efficient. The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems. I got calls from the GOP up through election day, and plenty of Carrier Route mailers about how we can't afford more Taxbummer.


That's very astute. That Community Organizer's people were on the ball. Being more efficient is how you run a business. Throwing more money at a problem is how you deal with an untreated gambling addiction.
 
2012-11-09 12:05:21 AM  
At some point, I look forward to reading the book about this election, from the crazy primaries to the final hours in Romney's war room. I just hope when it gets written that they've got enough campaign insiders for all various republican candidates to really make it juicy and embarrassing for all of them.
 
2012-11-09 12:06:54 AM  

SnakeLee: This is why cutters can't run for president


Emo Romney pics out now?
 
2012-11-09 12:10:59 AM  

zedster: Therion:

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OH GOD! I can see forever!


She's going to have a story arc I saw in the movie "Traffic." Yeah, that one.
 
2012-11-09 12:11:38 AM  

Minus 1 Charisma: coeyagi: A higher percentage of companies went bankrupt under Bain's rape than those who went bankrupt after getting government-backed loans since 1/20/09

Let's assume for arguments sake that the statement you just made is completely true. It's still irrelevant. Obama's failures are somehow justified by the failures of Bain capital? Were those companies that you allege went bankrupt under Bain funded with our paychecks?

Why does Obama get a free pass for stuff like this? Because he looks cool and gives a good speech? And I'll give him that, he is one hell of a speaker. But for the sake of your own children and theirs hold him accountable like the (extraordinarily) flawed human being that he is. He is your President, and for that reason you should be holding him to a much HIGHER standard. If liberals held Obama to to half the standard that they did Mitt Romney he would have been impeached six months into his Presidency.


OK, I have nothing better to do, I'll bite.

I actually think President Obama may be the finest man to hold the Presidency since Jimmy Carter. He's extraordinarily intelligent, he's a loving husband and father, he's genuinely likeable and he's sincere about wanting to make the country a better place for everyone. He's kept the homeland secure, his administration has been the most scandal-free in my memory (and I'm an old fart) and he has attempted to be as bipartisan as possible in his dealings with congress.

Obama inherited the worst economy in my lifetime and, by every measure, things are getting better. And he was able to accomplish it in the face of absolute opposition from Republicans, who would rather see Americans suffer than give Obama a legislative success. He saved hundreds of thousands of family wage jobs in the auto industry with cash-for-clunkers and the GM bailout.

I'm sorry that some of the energy companies the nation invested in went bankrupt. Not every company is successful. But the total amount lost was about the same as a single guided missile cruiser. I'd much rather see the money spent helping businesses grow in a forward-looking industry than spent on tools of war.

I'm also happy that the President is moving forward on some social issues. The repeal of DADT, while a bit late in coming, was welcome, as was some long overdue workers rights legislation.

The President's life story - coming from modest means to graduating Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law to the Senate to the Presidency - is a huge accomplishment and a genuine American success story.

Obama certainly does not get a free pass, Democrats are far more critical of their leaders than Republicans. Do I agree with everything Obama has done? Absolutely not. His administration's record on civil liberties is atrocious, I'm not a fan of Eric Holder and I'd like to see fewer Wall Street execs in his cabinet and more of them in prison.

All in all, though, I'm pretty happy with Obama's stewardship and with Obama the man.
 
2012-11-09 12:12:07 AM  

mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.


Well, yeah. The question would always be 'why?' for that crowd, not 'would they?'
So, they know how to lie. But why lie about this one? What's in it for them?
 
2012-11-09 12:13:17 AM  

TheBigJerk: TV's Vinnie: Apos: TV's Vinnie: So anyway, speaking of smug repubitards, whatever happened to tenpoundsofcheese? Haven't seen him since election night. Sure hope the little goon didn't do anything drastic.

I was wondering the same thing. Do you think a candlelight vigil is in order?

Possibly. My guess is that a Valkyrie swooped down and took him and all the other Fark ConservaTrolls to FAILhalla.

I want Failhalla to be a meme, but so far this is the closest I could think of that exists.


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