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2012-11-08 10:05:21 PM  
This doesn't surprise me in the least.

The right-wing in this country has chosen to wall itself off inside of an intellectual ghetto. Between Foxnews, talk radio, Newscorp, and Breitbart, no Republican ever has to deal with reality anymore in broadcast media. They've willfully chosen to retreat into a world where they can comfortably have their prejudices validated by propagandists masquerading as journalists. It's a world where math, statistics, science, and logic all take a back seat to 'gut feelings' and pandering.

They did it to themselves.

fark em.
 
2012-11-08 10:05:58 PM  

jst3p: There are a few in my office, they get together and form a right wing echo chamber within earshot of my cube frequently. The ones that have been back are PISSED. I haven't said much to them because they are already on edge.

It is kinda fun messing with them though. About a month back they were defending places that give payday loans at huge interest rates. "These people have screwed up their credit and have no other options. It is better than back in the old days when you borrow the money from Jimmy "The Fox" and end up with broken legs when you don't pay." Followed with "Yep, and that's what they would end up doing today if they had to. They are going to get those loans one way or another, for their own good at least the system we have today is legal and safe."

I stepped out of my cube and said "Kinda like abortion?"

They glared daggers at me and broke up to get back to work.

It was awesome.


Nice.
 
2012-11-08 10:06:32 PM  
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
 
2012-11-08 10:06:52 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.

I can attest to this. I live in Hillsborough County in Florida, and I got Obama campaign volunteers at my door Friday night. I told them I'd be voting for Obama on Tuesday with my partner, and the girl whipped out a datapad and said "Okay, I'll mark you down for Tuesday then as a vote for President Obama, thanks very much for your support", gave me a bunch of polling information on the amendments and other down ticket races on the ballot, and she and her huge male partner (who I can only assume was her bodyguard considering my suburb which is known for it's GOPness) and they moved down to the next house.

I was pretty impressed.


I have a friend who got hired late in the campaign to run the get out to vote efforts for 10 Florida counties. I was in China with him this summer studying while he was just working as a volunteer, and rather than taking a month off because he was in frikking China, he spent the month driving his roommate nuts because every spare moment he was on Google Voice running the college GOTV operation for Florida.
 
2012-11-08 10:08:01 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


I'm sure the GOP will find a way to screw it up somehow.

/Rick Lazio for President 2016!
 
2012-11-08 10:08:05 PM  

MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.


Are you kidding? I'd pay a year's salary to be in that room when he meets with all the millionaires that bought his BS thinking Romney would get elected.

Then I'd write a book about it.
 
2012-11-08 10:08:11 PM  
One huge advantage the D ground game demonstrated here in CO: I live in a majority Republican neighborhood, and both my husband and I are both registered as independents; nevertheless, the only people we saw on our doorstep were Democratic volunteers. And once they found out at least one of us was going to vote for Obama, we got a couple more visits to make sure we were going to vote. No one from the Republican campaign even checked to see who we were leaning for.
 
2012-11-08 10:08:20 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: U sound so hardcore.

Or people could just try to not to be completely irresponsible morons by not taking loans at 200% interest and all those places would go out of business.


He wasn't commenting on payday loans dumbarse.
 
2012-11-08 10:09:00 PM  

clowncar on fire: You probably don't hear this enough but a lot of Bain's purchases are distressed companies well on their way to failure.


Bullshait.
 
2012-11-08 10:10:33 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.

It's shocking, isn't it? They picked Obama, not vice versa. I wonder who they'll pick next.


All I want to know is when will their book come out. I want a copy just to read all of the stuff they did.
 
2012-11-08 10:11:25 PM  
Oh my, your bubble has burst.

fishbowl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-11-08 10:11:54 PM  
It's not the "Big Tent Party" it's.....


2.bp.blogspot.com

The Big Bubble Party
 
2012-11-08 10:12:03 PM  

whidbey: MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.

I doubt it. All he has to do is reinvent himself and the cash comes rolling in.


I don't think he will be able to talk his way out of this one.
 
2012-11-08 10:12:11 PM  

Devolving_Spud: "Like...wait...someone is telling me I'm not getting what I wanted....like....nobody has EVER...I don't even..."


Just because people won't tell you about your mustache don't mean you don't have one.
 
2012-11-08 10:12:40 PM  

impaler: Minus 1 Charisma: U sound so hardcore.

Or people could just try to not to be completely irresponsible morons by not taking loans at 200% interest and all those places would go out of business.

He wasn't commenting on payday loans dumbarse.


In his defense he does seem to be lacking in Charisma. And unless you are a Paladin or a Bard that is already a dump stat.
 
2012-11-08 10:13:55 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


Will we rue the day?
 
2012-11-08 10:13:56 PM  

Fart_Machine: clowncar on fire: You probably don't hear this enough but a lot of Bain's purchases are distressed companies well on their way to failure.

Bullshait.


It's like clowncar on fire lives in an echo chamber void from reality. Where what he wants to be true magically becomes true.

But I've never heard of anything like that happening before.
 
2012-11-08 10:14:43 PM  

jst3p: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I registered unaffiliated and I didn't get a single call. In colorado. Do they not call cell phones?


From about a month before the election, I was getting calls on my cell phone about once every three days.

A week before the election, I stopped answering my house phone unless I recognized the number. That thing was ringing off the hook.

I also wondered why there were so many republican callers trying to get me to vote even though the county I live in has always voted 70% republican.
 
2012-11-08 10:16:23 PM  
3. Undecided voters. The perception is they always break for the challenger, since people know the incumbent and would have decided already if they were backing him. Romney was counting on that trend to continue. Instead, exit polls show Mr. Obama won among people who made up their minds on Election Day and in the few days before the election. So maybe Romney, after running for six years, was in the same position as the incumbent.

Yeah, or maybe not. Maybe the whole "undecideds break for the challenger" thing is utter BS that political wonks believe because a few past elections were like that. Like the rule that incumbents can't be reelected if they poll below 50%.

There just aren't enough elections to reach any conclusions like this. If you go back 20 years, you're only looking at 5 presidential elections---4, if the next election is about to happen. That puts your conventional wisdom in "3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime so 9 is prime" territory. Contrariwise, if you examine many more presidential elections for a pattern, then you're drawing conventional wisdom about today's Americans based on Americans in the 1960s and 70s.
 
2012-11-08 10:16:24 PM  

zedster: Therion:

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]
OH GOD! I can see forever!


"IT'S LONG THAN YOU THINK!"
 
2012-11-08 10:16:28 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: I also wondered why there were so many republican callers trying to get me to vote even though the county I live in has always voted 70% republican


Because your vote counts at a state level, so the winner in the county is meaningless?
 
2012-11-08 10:16:50 PM  
That's some fine attachment to reality there, Mitt.
 
2012-11-08 10:17:13 PM  
 
2012-11-08 10:17:56 PM  
I didn't vote against Romnoid.

I fired him.

/I like being able to fire Romney.
 
2012-11-08 10:18:04 PM  
How? how can these intelligent educated people who work in politics have not seen what was transparently farking obvious? Is wishful thinking and confirmation bias so very very powerful?
 
2012-11-08 10:18:24 PM  

rynthetyn: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.

I can attest to this. I live in Hillsborough County in Florida, and I got Obama campaign volunteers at my door Friday night. I told them I'd be voting for Obama on Tuesday with my partner, and the girl whipped out a datapad and said "Okay, I'll mark you down for Tuesday then as a vote for President Obama, thanks very much for your support", gave me a bunch of polling information on the amendments and other down ticket races on the ballot, and she and her huge male partner (who I can only assume was her bodyguard considering my suburb which is known for it's GOPness) and they moved down to the next house.

I was pretty impressed.

I have a friend who got hired late in the campaign to run the get out to vote efforts for 10 Florida counties. I was in China with him this summer studying while he was just working as a volunteer, and rather than taking a month off because he was in frikking China, he spent the month driving his roommate nuts because every spare moment he was on Google Voice running the college GOTV operation for Florida.


I believe it. They even had a mini-rally on the sidewalk at the main intersection in my part of Tampa, complete with girls in tight jeans waving signs and trying to get people to honk and cheer for them. The Romney people were on the other side of the intersection. One of the Obama ladies was in a shouting match with one of the Romney guys when I drove by on my way to vote because he tried to stand on her corner.

Obama's GOTV is hilariously well organized.
 
2012-11-08 10:19:01 PM  

clowncar on fire: Bladel: It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.

You probably don't hear this enough but a lot of Bain's purchases are distressed companies well on their way to failure. At least Bain will give em another chance if they are worse saving.

That's what Bain does- buys distressed companies. Lots of misinformation out there regarding Bain's purchases so I can see why you have the sads about them.


Doesn't matter what the companies were before Bain buys them. Bain profits by putting the companies into debt and if the company rebounds it's just more icing on the cake and if it fails, the cake is still there.
 
2012-11-08 10:19:14 PM  
I'm sure it must have been a mitter disappointmitt for him.
 
2012-11-08 10:19:37 PM  
My hubs and I have been jumping for joy and can hardly wait to go to church on Sunday. Yes-we're Mormons, active Mormons and we voted for Obama!!! I also worked the polls here in CO. We had a poll watcher show up at 6:30am to watch, but he had the wrong paper work and couldn't stay. (It was for a different polling place, and couldn't be changed).
I think it will be quieter than usual at Church...
 
2012-11-08 10:19:58 PM  

Mrembo: whidbey: MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.

I doubt it. All he has to do is reinvent himself and the cash comes rolling in.

I don't think he will be able to talk his way out of this one.


Several Fox pundits have been proven monstrously incorrect in their past predictions, yet they still are able to collect a paycheck. Kristol and Krauthammer would both be working the food court at a DC mall by now if they were held to actual journalistic standards.

Luckily for them, they are not in the business of appealing to logic. Their job is to reinforce the childish emotions of their viewing audience no matter how much derp is required to do it.
 
2012-11-08 10:20:30 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: What was the margin among "independent voters" anyway?

Also, "shellshocked"? Uh oh, who called Ryback in here??


GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RYBACK!
 
2012-11-08 10:20:33 PM  

tinyarena: mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.

Not really. The "Smart Money," inside the beltway already said, the day Romney was nominated, that he would eventualy lose, that the Senate would remain blue, and the House red. But Hey! Hope Springs Eternal :)


Lawrence O'Donnel was calling it a loss for Romney the second Tim Pawlenty dropped out of the primaries.
 
2012-11-08 10:20:43 PM  
gifninja.com

Pollsters pressed the button, but they ignored the alarm.
 
2012-11-08 10:20:47 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


Just like Fartbongo and all the Dem Senators were going to be thrown out on their asses for passing Obamacare through reconcilation, right?
 
2012-11-08 10:20:47 PM  

mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.


I heard that as well. Ann Romney was crying in Iowa and all that.

I think it has something to do with the software patches. The judge tossed out the case - Romney thought he was safe.
 
2012-11-08 10:21:45 PM  
I was watching from over the Pacific, and although most of my polls and data came from the 538 blog, which I was glued to ( and thought I was the only one [because I'm silly like that]) but also some other sites doing bigger picture polling, and yeah I can understand only reading what you wanted to read, and hearing what you wanted to hear but to be deluded enough to believeyou are going to win when it seemed clear that Obama was the favourite. That's just really incomprehensible.

Although Bob Woodward called his third book on Iraq, "state of denial" so maybe that's a solid red state.

Also I remember when McCain lost and Obama won McCain had what seemed like a tiny underlit outdoor event, no bigger than a backyard bbq, for him to give his concession speech ( where no one seemed to want to console Sarah Palin, after he finished the speech). After that speech Obama came out to a runway lined with shining American flags to an ocean of people. The contrast could not have been starker.

/ end pointless rant
 
2012-11-08 10:22:39 PM  

SnakeLee: This is why cutters can't run for president


Ah, c'mon. Cutter did make kick ass gear in Oblivion and violently crass observations.
images4.wikia.nocookie.net 

Hm ...

cdn2.elitedaily.com

MY GOD.
 
2012-11-08 10:22:56 PM  

gaspode: How? how can these intelligent educated people who work in politics have not seen what was transparently farking obvious? Is wishful thinking and confirmation bias so very very powerful?


Deeply religious people are accustomed to holding on to a "truth" even when verifiable facts contradict this "truth" so long as many people also hold on to this "truth". They believe the earth is 6000 years old. They believe people were created as a species, did not evolve. They believe dinosaurs are a trick to test their faith. They believe the global climate is not changing. Given all that it isn't difficult to understand that they could believe "the polls are all wrong" regardless of the facts. Facts are irrelevant if they know the "truth" about something.
 
2012-11-08 10:23:37 PM  
rynthetyn:

By the way, tell your friend thanks. Every sane person in Florida appreciates the effort.
 
2012-11-08 10:24:00 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x363]

Feed him s'mores and he'll feel better


And Rice Krispies treats, and chicken wings, and...
 
2012-11-08 10:24:16 PM  

mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.


Agreed. I think it's just spinning. Better to say you were self deluded and surprise than to admit you were a complete liar and bullshiat artist.

That's not to say there probably weren't some DERPers on some outer rings of the staff who were drinking Kool Aid, but I think the real small inside circle guys knew the reality.
 
2012-11-08 10:24:55 PM  
I don't agree with the Republicans on everything, but the economy should be everyone's top priority. Without a thriving economy, nothing else matters. Whether your issue is birth control, gay marriage or legalizing marijuana - look I agree with all of those things as well, but as a logical human being that regularly exercises intellectual honesty I can tell you that none of that shiat matters when we're in debt up to our eyeballs and the economic growth doesn't even keep up with population growth.

I am a true swing voter. I'm a conservative, but I'm also an athiest. I have voted both ways. In this election I voted Romney. I am disgusted that he didn't win. The fact that the people of our country voted Obama back in in these economic conditions should scare the living shiat out of all of us. I've been around a while and these times we're going through are NOT the norm, and they never should be in America. Maybe if you're reading this you are just too young to know. People used to have enough to get by and then some. If you're not feeling it yet you will. And believe it or not when the (evil?) rich people feel it the poor people feel it too. Just read history.

Obama's economic performance is staggeringly poor. It's been a complete fail. With the implementation of the Affordable Health Care act we are going to be completely boned beyond repair. While I agree that the health care system was broken and that health care ebing a right is worth debate = Obama care was not the answer. It is cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are farked now. Farked. And all because women thought Romney was going to cut off birth control pills(?) or your favorite actor or movie star is a liberal.

You guys have doomed yourselves and you don't even know it yet. You cheer America's demise. Grab a calculator. We're completely farked. WOOPIE!! 

I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney. Please be specific. Please cite sources. I promise to do the same.
 
2012-11-08 10:25:45 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


The crowing is NOTHING compared to what we heard from the GOP post 2004 supreme court elected GWB. You assholes spent 8 farking years calling everyone that wasn't a white fundamentalist GOP lover "terrorists". The GOP is getting the derision and rejection they have been earning for 12+ years. End of story.

Biden? Yes, I think Biden would crush anyone in the current GOP except Christie.

Gool ol Joe is more Like-able than even Bill Clinton, without the scandalous history. He really is America's happy warrior. Every time I hear him speak or see a picture of him all I can think is "this guy is really loving his job and his life and really truly wants to spread that light to every American"

Gaffes just make even more human.
 
2012-11-08 10:26:47 PM  
if this is true, he completely believed he was the mormon to fulfill the 'white horse prophecy.' <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy">Link</a> apparently devout mormons are now freaking out and saying it's the endtimes, well even more of the endtimes than usual b/c archbishop mittens lost. farking incredible bullet we dodged there folks.

/i don't normally type this crazy, shift key is broken.
 
2012-11-08 10:27:26 PM  

jst3p: Shakin_Haitian: I also wondered why there were so many republican callers trying to get me to vote even though the county I live in has always voted 70% republican

Because your vote counts at a state level, so the winner in the county is meaningless?


Well, that makes sense. I've been drinking all night cuz the wife was watching glee and is now watching grey's anatomy.

Either way, I just had to tell the democratic lady that I had already voted and they stopped calling. The republicans. Just. Wouldn't. Stop. Along with all those god damn pollsters.
 
2012-11-08 10:27:45 PM  
Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."


That's because to YOU, this whole two-billion-dollars-of-other-people's-money thing was all about YOU.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:02 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: I invite any one of you to have an honest debate with me like two adults. No snark, no name-calling. Just the facts. Let's talk about why you voted Obama over Romney. Please be specific. Please cite sources. I promise to do the same.


Oh look, someone who still believes in the magical fairy of supply side economics thinks he's going to have a "serious" debate about economics.

Dude, the 30 year experiment is over. It failed.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:03 PM  
Wouldn't it be funny if George Bush turns out to be the last gentile, white, male US president? We many never have one again. It may be women, blacks, Jews, and hispanics from here on out.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:34 PM  

jst3p: A Dark Evil Omen: jst3p: As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm.

I pulled my derp party co-worker aside a few weeks ago and said roughly this:

"I think you guys are in for a surprise. By attacking the polls you are ignoring reality. Instead of asking 'why aren't we getting the support' you are asking 'why is literally every single poll wrong?'. It isn't going to help you guys win. Sure some polls might be flawed but all of them? I think the right is in big trouble if they are just going to pretend all those polls are wrong."

His reply:

"Nate silver might know baseball but he has only had experience in one Presidential election. He is still a rookie. You are the one who is going to be shocked."

He didn't come to work on Wednesday and worked from home today.

I've been on vacation for a while and go back to work Monday. I can't wait to see what the resident derpmeisters - especially the douchebag Mormon who thinks Newt Gingrich is a liberal - are saying when I get back.

There are a few in my office, they get together and form a right wing echo chamber within earshot of my cube frequently. The ones that have been back are PISSED. I haven't said much to them because they are already on edge.

It is kinda fun messing with them though. About a month back they were defending places that give payday loans at huge interest rates. "These people have screwed up their credit and have no other options. It is better than back in the old days when you borrow the money from Jimmy "The Fox" and end up with broken legs when you don't pay." Followed with "Yep, and that's what they would end up doing today if they had to. They are going to get those loans one way or another, for their own good at least the system we have today is legal and safe."

I stepped out of my cube and said "Kinda like abortion?"

They glared daggers at me and broke up to get back to work.

It ...


Awesome...I took Wednesday off because win or lose I figured it was best for all parties involved if my opinions and my co-workers were very far away from each other.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:41 PM  

DamnYankees: That's amazing. They believed one set of polls favorable to them, and used those polls to unskew other sets of polls


So was unskewedpolls.com just leaked Romney internal polling or what?
 
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