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2012-11-08 09:38:56 PM  
I imagine it felt like all of America was holding him down,shaving his head while taunting him with "sissy boy,sissy boy". Couldn't happen to a nicer fella.
 
2012-11-08 09:39:12 PM  
Don't go away mad, just go away.

/and please hurry
 
2012-11-08 09:39:12 PM  

BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.


Thanks...that's good info. I mailed my ballot in within a few days of receiving it, so it must have been the GOP that was calling me daily (from the same number on caller ID) right up until Friday before the election, when I got exasperated and asked them to not call again. (They didn't.)
 
2012-11-08 09:39:48 PM  
i.qkme.me

/if you believed in him, Mitt, you wouldn't end up like the McGovern voters who couldn't believe Nixon won because everyone THEY knew was voting for McGovern
 
2012-11-08 09:39:50 PM  

jst3p: As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm.

I pulled my derp party co-worker aside a few weeks ago and said roughly this:

"I think you guys are in for a surprise. By attacking the polls you are ignoring reality. Instead of asking 'why aren't we getting the support' you are asking 'why is literally every single poll wrong?'. It isn't going to help you guys win. Sure some polls might be flawed but all of them? I think the right is in big trouble if they are just going to pretend all those polls are wrong."

His reply:

"Nate silver might know baseball but he has only had experience in one Presidential election. He is still a rookie. You are the one who is going to be shocked."

He didn't come to work on Wednesday and worked from home today.


I've been on vacation for a while and go back to work Monday. I can't wait to see what the resident derpmeisters - especially the douchebag Mormon who thinks Newt Gingrich is a liberal - are saying when I get back.
 
2012-11-08 09:41:34 PM  
What's really funny is how much time he spent campaigning in Florida. He was in Florida more than Mickey Mouse. Not to mention the RNC. And he lost before the Florida numbers even came in.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:15 PM  
Not to mention -

2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

They lost because Fark IndependentsTM is found in real life, not just Fark. Mwahahaha.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:18 PM  

Fifi Le Pew: I've tried to remain magnanimous and not say anything to anyone, especially at work. But I am here to tell you, I can't WAIT to listen the right wing radio shows on the commute home from work. I have the most inappropriate shiat-eating grin on my face the whole drive home. The best one I've heard so far: God is PUNISHING us for our SINFUL ways. LOL.


THIS...though everybody at work has been curiously, deliciously silent at work. I relish every day.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:35 PM  

rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.


My first registered post on fark was when he sank hillary on super tuesday. One slick machine destroyed in an instant by an even slicker one. I believe that post was a picture of the death star exploding when hillary's coronation was denied.
 
2012-11-08 09:45:07 PM  
TFA: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney

This was the mistake, right here. Why would they do that? Why not plan for the numbers that weren't favorable to Romney, just in case? I mean, if the internal polls were wrong, then their bases would have been covered. If the internal polls were right, they would have won anyway. They had everything to lose by just assuming things favored their candidate.
 
2012-11-08 09:45:15 PM  
"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

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When all the polls that are run by people who aren't in the tank for you say that you're gonna lose, you probably should have some people running some contingency plans. Maybe have a 5-year-old on your team who can point out the blindingly obvious flaws in your plan.

Whatever the case may be, it would be comical if it weren't sad that Mitt Romney had to ``hastily compose'' his concession speech.

I would not be shocked to learn that Barack Obama had a concession speech prepared for if he were beaten by Peta Lindsay and Yari Osorio was eaten by wolves shortly thereafter.

/No, I really wouldn't.
//It was probably a creative writing assignment.
 
2012-11-08 09:45:45 PM  

mrshowrules: There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.


Not really. The "Smart Money," inside the beltway already said, the day Romney was nominated, that he would eventualy lose, that the Senate would remain blue, and the House red. But Hey! Hope Springs Eternal :)
 
2012-11-08 09:46:10 PM  

rynthetyn: BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.

The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened.


The Republicans do something similar.

I've worked the polls in the last three elections here in Colorado. There were no party pollwatchers four years ago, but this time around, we had a R pollwatcher parked there all day, only leaving to go out to where phones were allowed to report who needed calling. She was terribly shocked that the D pollwatchers only came by three times during the day, but I think they were covering several precincts, which seemed like a much more efficient use of volunteer time. Also, the R pollwatcher wasn't just checking a list of R supporters, she also had an apparently out of date list of registered voters and was trying to police us as if she was going to find some vast voter fraud.
 
2012-11-08 09:46:47 PM  

robsul82: the McGovern voters who couldn't believe Nixon won because everyone THEY knew was voting for McGovern


Except McGovern should have won. Gotta wonder about that election. Lots of Dirty Tricks.
 
2012-11-08 09:47:20 PM  
This election should be a teaching moment for Republicans. The reason they were shocked it that they took the outcome they and their audience wanted to see, and then rationalized it. They ignored the data.

Because it was an election, their following their gut had no real consequences other than lost bets and broken hearts. But they also do this with global warming, countries to invade, tax policy, and other things. In those cases, the American populace and the world in general have a great deal to lose.
 
2012-11-08 09:47:38 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: jst3p: As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm.

I pulled my derp party co-worker aside a few weeks ago and said roughly this:

"I think you guys are in for a surprise. By attacking the polls you are ignoring reality. Instead of asking 'why aren't we getting the support' you are asking 'why is literally every single poll wrong?'. It isn't going to help you guys win. Sure some polls might be flawed but all of them? I think the right is in big trouble if they are just going to pretend all those polls are wrong."

His reply:

"Nate silver might know baseball but he has only had experience in one Presidential election. He is still a rookie. You are the one who is going to be shocked."

He didn't come to work on Wednesday and worked from home today.

I've been on vacation for a while and go back to work Monday. I can't wait to see what the resident derpmeisters - especially the douchebag Mormon who thinks Newt Gingrich is a liberal - are saying when I get back.


There are a few in my office, they get together and form a right wing echo chamber within earshot of my cube frequently. The ones that have been back are PISSED. I haven't said much to them because they are already on edge.

It is kinda fun messing with them though. About a month back they were defending places that give payday loans at huge interest rates. "These people have screwed up their credit and have no other options. It is better than back in the old days when you borrow the money from Jimmy "The Fox" and end up with broken legs when you don't pay." Followed with "Yep, and that's what they would end up doing today if they had to. They are going to get those loans one way or another, for their own good at least the system we have today is legal and safe."

I stepped out of my cube and said "Kinda like abortion?"

They glared daggers at me and broke up to get back to work.

It was awesome.
 
2012-11-08 09:49:01 PM  
This article and this thread are making me very, very, very, very, very, very, very happy.

A toast to our president! Hear, hear! clink! clink! clink!
 
2012-11-08 09:49:11 PM  
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"Like...wait...someone is telling me I'm not getting what I wanted....like....nobody has EVER...I don't even..."
 
2012-11-08 09:49:45 PM  
So, basically, the entire Romney campaign is the guy who thinks the stripper really likes him.
 
2012-11-08 09:50:03 PM  

Devolving_Spud: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x360]

"Like...wait...someone is telling me I'm not getting what I wanted....like....nobody has EVER...I don't even..."


Romney girl needs to reshave her stache.
 
2012-11-08 09:50:10 PM  

quizzical: TFA: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney

This was the mistake, right here. Why would they do that?


I think Romney's been surrounded by a collection of Smitherses his whole life.

"They were shouting 'boo-urns, er 'yay Romney''".

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2012-11-08 09:50:50 PM  

Fano: My first registered post on fark was when he sank hillary on super tuesday. One slick machine destroyed in an instant by an even slicker one. I believe that post was a picture of the death star exploding when hillary's coronation was denied.


One of my brothers was a Hillary vol up in Washington State, and he was telling me about how they (the Hillary team) got crushed by Team Obama. Here in Cali we had a straight-up primary where she won, but we were too little too late.
 
2012-11-08 09:51:12 PM  

xynix: That's what happens when you live in an echo-chamber. I live south of Forsyth County, GA and that's about as red of a county as you get. They all believed Romney was going to win by a land slide and were so mystified that he actually lost. When the only people you associate with are hard right rednecks you begin to believe the hyperbole.


My Mom lives in Washington State. WESTERN Washington, you know, the extremely liberal side. She was still upset he lost. Granted she wasn't shell shocked and didn't seem all that surprised, but she did tell me a month ago according to Fox News "Obama was on his way out, and thank goodness."

I wonder how many people will need to be treated for PTSD now.
 
2012-11-08 09:52:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.


What about if we all did the opposite? All register as independents and BANKRUPT THE MOTHERF*CKERS!
 
2012-11-08 09:54:08 PM  
Sociopaths never react well to the obliteration of their constructed reality.
 
2012-11-08 09:54:20 PM  

rekoil: TwistedFark: I don't know if that's all that amazing actually... it's pretty easy to set up. They already have lists of all registered voters, all they did was put a unique numerical ID against them and then allow data updates via a smart phone on if they have voted or not. Sounds pretty simple to me.

Maybe I missing something, but how did the campaign know who had voted in real time? Were they at the registration table taking down names as they signed in?


The way it works in Colorado is that the voter shows up, prints their name on a sign-in slip, which is then what the election judges use to look up their name in the pollbook. The sign-in slip is in triplicate. After the voter puts their ballot in the box, an election judge separates the slips, and the pollwatchers are allowed to look at the copy that has everything but the name line blacked out (so they can't see the area where we mark a reason when a provisional ballot has to be used). They have a list of party members in that precinct and check off the names on the slips.

\And at the end of the day, the originals of the slips are counted and compared to the number of signatures in the pollbook and the number of voted ballots and [number of ballots you started with minus the blank ones left].
 
2012-11-08 09:54:22 PM  

impaler: "There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

LOL!


Except Stevie Wonder could see it coming and they couldn't.
 
2012-11-08 09:54:46 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.


No good... At least not here in Florida. I'm still registered Republican because I was dumb and naive when I was 18 and haven't really bothered to change it since (besides, I get to throw my vote away on the most moderate candidate in primaries) and I got several mailers a week up until the end. (Why yes they were almost exclusively all pro-Romney/anti-Obama)

/Anecdote; wish I had kept them so I could take a pic
//I'll try to remember to do so next election, assuming I'm still living in America's Wang
 
2012-11-08 09:55:25 PM  
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2012-11-08 09:55:40 PM  
I believe it's pronounced "shellacked."
 
2012-11-08 09:55:50 PM  
How the fark did they not see this coming? With the exception lfthe first debate, Romney and Ryan got their asses handed to them. The news was full of "nobody has seen any concrete ideas from them" for MONTHS! What the fark?
 
2012-11-08 09:55:56 PM  

whidbey: robsul82: the McGovern voters who couldn't believe Nixon won because everyone THEY knew was voting for McGovern

Except McGovern should have won. Gotta wonder about that election. Lots of Dirty Tricks.


Oh, don't get me wrong, President McGovern would've been a better option than Nixon disgracing himself, I just like the idea of Mitt blanching at that comparison.
 
2012-11-08 09:57:01 PM  
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"NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER!"
 
2012-11-08 09:57:16 PM  

quizzical: TFA: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney

This was the mistake, right here. Why would they do that? Why not plan for the numbers that weren't favorable to Romney, just in case? I mean, if the internal polls were wrong, then their bases would have been covered. If the internal polls were right, they would have won anyway. They had everything to lose by just assuming things favored their candidate.


Cause that would take work, and work is hard...
 
2012-11-08 09:58:05 PM  
The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.
 
2012-11-08 09:58:33 PM  

impaler: BKITU: Interesting still is that this very point was being made over and over to the yo-yos who kept denying that the aggregators were on to something.

Their defense was always "lots of independents breaking toward Republicans and Democrats are oversampled" while failing to see that many of these independents were not actual independents, but rather Fark Independents®. They thought they were winning over "independents" when actually they were just getting who were never, ever going to pull the lever for Obama in the first place.

I remember that point being brought up all the time here on Fark.

If you think about it, it's a bad sign for Republicans. They're really are a lot of people leaving the Republican party. Sure, they still vote Republican, but once they stop self-identifying as Republicans, they start questioning Republican propaganda.


In my experience, it seems to be more like:

"Didn't you vote for Bush? Twice?"


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2012-11-08 09:59:45 PM  
To be fair the polling done on Planet Kolob was much closer.
 
2012-11-08 09:59:47 PM  
Has a "priceless" post been made for this election yet?

I love the irony of the brilliant businessman who made millions buying companies and shipping the jobs overseas, who went on to spend a billion to get a job that was eventually taken by a Kenyan.
 
2012-11-08 10:00:03 PM  

rynthetyn: cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.

I've been around politics for most of my life and I've never seen a campaign organization that's run as well as Obama's.


I can attest to this. I live in Hillsborough County in Florida, and I got Obama campaign volunteers at my door Friday night. I told them I'd be voting for Obama on Tuesday with my partner, and the girl whipped out a datapad and said "Okay, I'll mark you down for Tuesday then as a vote for President Obama, thanks very much for your support", gave me a bunch of polling information on the amendments and other down ticket races on the ballot, and she and her huge male partner (who I can only assume was her bodyguard considering my suburb which is known for it's GOPness) and they moved down to the next house.

I was pretty impressed.
 
2012-11-08 10:00:27 PM  

jst3p: It is kinda fun messing with them though. About a month back they were defending places that give payday loans at huge interest rates. "These people have screwed up their credit and have no other options. It is better than back in the old days when you borrow the money from Jimmy "The Fox" and end up with broken legs when you don't pay." Followed with "Yep, and that's what they would end up doing today if they had to. They are going to get those loans one way or another, for their own good at least the system we have today is legal and safe."

I stepped out of my cube and said "Kinda like abortion?"

They glared daggers at me and broke up to get back to work.

It was awesome.


U sound so hardcore.

Or people could just try to not to be completely irresponsible morons by not taking loans at 200% interest and all those places would go out of business.
 
2012-11-08 10:00:27 PM  

quizzical: TFA: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney

This was the mistake, right here. Why would they do that? Why not plan for the numbers that weren't favorable to Romney, just in case? I mean, if the internal polls were wrong, then their bases would have been covered. If the internal polls were right, they would have won anyway. They had everything to lose by just assuming things favored their candidate.


They picked the data they wanted to be true.

Classic case of stupidity.
 
2012-11-08 10:01:09 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


You know what the thing about that is?

When the pendulum starts to swing, the lefties will realize it, acknowledge it, and adjust themselves as best they can in order to take advantage of it instead of constructing an alternate reality that fits their narrative like the right did and will continue to do.
 
2012-11-08 10:01:23 PM  
Huh, after reading this thread, I'm of the opinion maybe instead of Republicans using 'community organizer' as a slur, they should have been taking notes.
 
2012-11-08 10:01:30 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


You should have yourself frozen in carbonite for the next 4 years so you can wake up to a republican utopia.
 
2012-11-08 10:01:48 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Of course he didn't see this coming. He had to write his concession speech right after they called Ohio because he hadn't written one beforehand. That's why it took him so long to concede. Plus you have the website, the fireworks display.....he really believed that he was owed or somehow due the Presidency, and never for one fraction of a second considered that it might not come to pass.

That's what makes this so damn funny.


When one lives in a big enought echo chamber, what you said three weeks earlier comes back at you but with a different tone of voice. You start believing that it someone else living in the echo chamber

DamnYankees: FTFA: They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney....As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

That's amazing. They believed one set of polls favorable to them, and used those polls to unskew other sets of polls.

I mean...I don't have words.


I mean, I thought I was high as a kite coming off seeing Obama make history in '08. This week has been surreal...in an awesome way.
 
2012-11-08 10:02:17 PM  

inconnu: The degree of lefty crowing about this election just ensures that they'll get their comeuppance in the hardest way possible, when the pendulum swings again. You think Hillary or Biden is gonna swing 2016? I don't think so.


Cuomo. There. I said it.
 
2012-11-08 10:02:20 PM  

Zapruder: MrEricSir: Romney will find a new job.

The person to feel bad for is Karl Rove. His career is ruined.

Just the other day I was watching a documentary on WWII and felt sorry for Goebbels.


Seriously. WWII really put a damper on Goebbels' career.
 
2012-11-08 10:02:32 PM  
in bumfark small town Iowa I had THREE different people from Obama bang on my door asking if we'd voted yet

from Romney's camp? One door hangy thing which my girlfriend tore into little pieces and then screamed at them as they ran off down the street

politics is like sports for smart people and I love it.
 
2012-11-08 10:04:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rynthetyn: The Obama campaign was actually tracking every single voter in as close to real time as humanly possible. Even on election day, poll watchers were given lists of everyone in the precinct they were watching and a 4 digit code to input in the campaign smart phone tracking page. As soon as you voted, you were off the list and focus was placed on the people who hadn't turned out yet. The Obama campaign didn't have to guess about turnout the way the Romney camp was because they were using data mining to track it as it happened

That's amazing. I hadn't heard about this part.


I recall when pundits were waxing poetic about Turdblossom's campaign skills. but Axelrod and Plouffe outdid him in every way possible by thinking completely outside the box.
 
2012-11-08 10:04:37 PM  

Bladel: It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.


You probably don't hear this enough but a lot of Bain's purchases are distressed companies well on their way to failure. At least Bain will give em another chance if they are worse saving.

That's what Bain does- buys distressed companies. Lots of misinformation out there regarding Bain's purchases so I can see why you have the sads about them.
 
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