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(CBS News)   Romney "shellshocked" by loss. Normally, when I get shellshocked I put in another quarter and try using Donatello instead   (cbsnews.com) divider line 454
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2012-11-08 04:51:11 PM  
2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.
 
2012-11-08 04:53:00 PM  
"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

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2012-11-08 04:56:38 PM  

JerseyTim: "We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

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He said "person" not "diabolical wizard".
 
2012-11-08 04:58:32 PM  
We call it Post Traumatic Stress Disorder now.
 
2012-11-08 05:02:42 PM  
It's ok, Mitt. A few words of support:

Hold on, it's never enough. It's never enough until your heart stops beating. The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain, so don't give up the game until your heart stops beating.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:09 PM  

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


The tea party embarrassed them straight out of the party. Where the polls failed was the worst was creating the narrative that republicans were more energized, the enthusiasm gap they kept touting was just a distortion-an artifact of these embarrassed republicans.

I'll say again-the movement in the polls after the first debate was not people who decided to vote Romney all of a sudden who were undecided or independent. They were these same republicans, people who were going to vote for Romney anyhow, they were just unwilling to admit it to anyone else until Romney made it through the debate without shiatting himself. They like to be associated with winners, Romney was never considered as a winner by the public at large until that night.
 
2012-11-08 05:26:11 PM  
try sticking your head outside the fox echo chamber once in a while.
 
2012-11-08 05:26:34 PM  
Is it like that time he got a bad escargot when he was in France
 
2012-11-08 05:42:32 PM  
As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.


What a terrible business decision.
 
2012-11-08 05:45:03 PM  

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Damn Fark Independents.
 
2012-11-08 05:53:46 PM  
It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.
 
2012-11-08 05:58:31 PM  
That's what happens when you live in an echo-chamber. I live south of Forsyth County, GA and that's about as red of a county as you get. They all believed Romney was going to win by a land slide and were so mystified that he actually lost. When the only people you associate with are hard right rednecks you begin to believe the hyperbole.
 
2012-11-08 06:03:02 PM  
"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

LOL!
 
2012-11-08 06:06:06 PM  

xynix: That's what happens when you live in an echo-chamber. I live south of Forsyth County, GA and that's about as red of a county as you get. They all believed Romney was going to win by a land slide and were so mystified that he actually lost. When the only people you associate with are hard right rednecks you begin to believe the hyperbole.


One of the last Tea Derper posts I saw on my facebook wall on Tuesday: "This is a lot closer than I expected."
 
2012-11-08 06:07:46 PM  
What was the margin among "independent voters" anyway?

Also, "shellshocked"? Uh oh, who called Ryback in here??
 
2012-11-08 06:08:42 PM  
They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." - unnamed aide to George W. Bush
 
2012-11-08 06:15:34 PM  
Sounds like a cross between Atlas Shrugged and 1984, impaler.
 
2012-11-08 06:17:30 PM  

impaler: They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.


That would be literally putting the cart before the horse, since using polling that includes a favorable turnout level involves, you know, actually getting the vote out.

I have to say that living in a contested swing state, it appears that the Romney camp decided to spend more money and Obama camp decided to try to be more efficient. The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems. I got calls from the GOP up through election day, and plenty of Carrier Route mailers about how we can't afford more Taxbummer.
 
2012-11-08 06:22:54 PM  

unyon: It's ok, Mitt. A few words of support:

Hold on, it's never enough. It's never enough until your heart stops beating. The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain, so don't give up the game until your heart stops beating.


Glad I'm not the only one with that playing in their head.
 
2012-11-08 06:27:47 PM  

BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.


I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.
 
2012-11-08 06:38:41 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.


I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.
 
2012-11-08 06:39:03 PM  
this is just like the iraq war and its cherry-picked intelligence. what is it with republicans and their need to seek out only that information that supports their already arrived-at conclusion? it's just farking asinine.
 
2012-11-08 07:02:59 PM  
This is why cutters can't run for president
 
2012-11-08 07:03:02 PM  
Republicans clearly all only talk to each other and are bewildered that other Americans exist, people who don't think like them but are every bit as American as they are.

This seems to confuse and irritate them. Mostly it seems it's either a conspiracy or there are now too many of "those" Americans for the white establishment to take its rightful place as rulers of all things USA.

By 2016 there will be even less white establishment Americans. They better find a new schtick.
 
2012-11-08 07:03:57 PM  
I think the Republican party confused "motivation" with "enthusiasm". Democratic voters may not have been as "motivated" but that didn't mean they weren't going to vote.

And wow, what an echo chamber. Imagine what kind of president he would have made; he'd end up ignoring anything his echo chamber didn't tell him about (which, given his history, would've been half the country).

Divorced from reality is not the way to lead the country.
 
2012-11-08 07:12:02 PM  
An hero he should become
 
2012-11-08 07:13:27 PM  

dletter: That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Yes, and that's what they ran their campaign strategy on. How can the GOP be trusted with ANYTHING now?
 
2012-11-08 07:16:44 PM  
This is what happens when you listen to your own press.
 
2012-11-08 07:19:21 PM  
Of course he didn't see this coming. He had to write his concession speech right after they called Ohio because he hadn't written one beforehand. That's why it took him so long to concede. Plus you have the website, the fireworks display.....he really believed that he was owed or somehow due the Presidency, and never for one fraction of a second considered that it might not come to pass.

That's what makes this so damn funny.
 
2012-11-08 07:20:11 PM  
That's what happens when you don't make a concession speech. You taunted the wrath of the Whatever from high atop the Thing and you got punished.
 
2012-11-08 07:26:40 PM  

BSABSVR: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BSABSVR: The day after I mailed in my ballot, I stopped getting phone calls and targeted mail from the Dems.

I spent 4 straight days culling lists of voters as we got more & more information about them through repeated contacts.

All I can say is that to stop the harassment you need to do the following: (1) register as a party member -- independents get called/mailed/harassed continuously, (2) vote in every election, including primaries -- doesn't matter who you vote for, just that you vote, (3) pick a side early and tell the first phone caller that you're 100% committed to whichever side, and (4) if you can, vote early or absentee -- no use trying to persuade someone whose vote is in the can already.

I didn't particularly care much as I just said "I've voted, have a a good day" and hung up on them. I just thought it was interesting that Obama's team actually paid attention down to ballot number level, while the Romney campaign went with pure brute force.


We had a lot of people to contact. Anything it takes to reduce the pile.
 
2012-11-08 07:28:56 PM  
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Feed him s'mores and he'll feel better
 
2012-11-08 07:34:38 PM  

SnakeLee: This is why cutters can't run for president


Why not? Obama cut taxes and the deficit and he won.
 
2012-11-08 07:39:25 PM  

timujin: This is what happens when you listen to fall in love with the smell of your own press farts.

 
2012-11-08 07:39:25 PM  

dletter: Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


They didn't have a good foundation. I blush when I think about how embarrassing this is; if I were a republican I'd wear a mask ora concealer or something.
 
2012-11-08 07:41:27 PM  
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The Rich White community disapproves of your shenanigans.
 
2012-11-08 08:14:50 PM  

Bladel: It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.


Who's awesome? You're awesome.jpg

That cuts right to the quick.
 
2012-11-08 08:16:34 PM  
FTFA: They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney....As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney.

That's amazing. They believed one set of polls favorable to them, and used those polls to unskew other sets of polls.

I mean...I don't have words.
 
2012-11-08 08:17:21 PM  
The Facebook Teabagger reaction has been all over the map, from spittle-flecked, purple faced runon sentenced rage rants, to Bible verse posts praying from deliverance of Obama's next 4 years, to birther-toned rants asking him to just leave and go back to Kenya.

I promised I wasn't going to gloat over a Romney loss, but after reading TFA, well...

BUUAHAHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA FOOLS BUAUAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED BUAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA..

OK election's over, back to watching cat videos on YouTube, folks..
 
2012-11-08 08:18:30 PM  

markie_farkie: fromfor deliverance of from


FTFM
 
2012-11-08 08:19:36 PM  
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2012-11-08 08:23:46 PM  

dletter: 2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

That is really an interesting stat.... Republican's basically went rouge and f'ed up their own parties analysts.


Interesting still is that this very point was being made over and over to the yo-yos who kept denying that the aggregators were on to something.

Their defense was always "lots of independents breaking toward Republicans and Democrats are oversampled" while failing to see that many of these independents were not actual independents, but rather Fark Independents®. They thought they were winning over "independents" when actually they were just getting who were never, ever going to pull the lever for Obama in the first place.
 
2012-11-08 08:28:51 PM  
There is some bullshiat going on here. Romney knew they were down by 5% in Ohio on Sunday (2 days before the election) based on their own internal polls. Someone's lying.
 
2012-11-08 08:30:43 PM  
I've tried to remain magnanimous and not say anything to anyone, especially at work. But I am here to tell you, I can't WAIT to listen the right wing radio shows on the commute home from work. I have the most inappropriate shiat-eating grin on my face the whole drive home. The best one I've heard so far: God is PUNISHING us for our SINFUL ways. LOL.
 
2012-11-08 08:31:04 PM  

BKITU: Interesting still is that this very point was being made over and over to the yo-yos who kept denying that the aggregators were on to something.

Their defense was always "lots of independents breaking toward Republicans and Democrats are oversampled" while failing to see that many of these independents were not actual independents, but rather Fark Independents®. They thought they were winning over "independents" when actually they were just getting who were never, ever going to pull the lever for Obama in the first place.


I remember that point being brought up all the time here on Fark.

If you think about it, it's a bad sign for Republicans. They're really are a lot of people leaving the Republican party. Sure, they still vote Republican, but once they stop self-identifying as Republicans, they start questioning Republican propaganda.
 
2012-11-08 08:33:45 PM  
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2012-11-08 08:46:03 PM  

DamnYankees: That's amazing. They believed one set of polls favorable to them, and used those polls to unskew other sets of polls.

I mean...I don't have words.


I thought Romney had crucial experience in the business world that made him the ideal when it came to organizing and running a streamlined, efficient and profitable company?

My whole world is a lie!
 
2012-11-08 08:46:42 PM  
Therion:

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OH GOD! I can see forever!
 
2012-11-08 08:49:42 PM  
Now Romney can claim combat experience.
 
2012-11-08 08:52:34 PM  

Bladel: It must have been awful, to have been completely blindsided like that. Going in to the night thinking everything is great, you were living the dream...then BAM: rejection from nameless, faceless people you have never even met.

Just like if your company had been purchased by Bain.


WIN!

I wonder if he felt he had been legitimately raped and his body was shutting down the experience.
 
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