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2012-11-09 10:09:56 AM
Eh, I get what it was trying to do, but it just fell flat for me.

The worst part about that is once it fails and you aren't lost in the story anymore, you start seeing all the little tricks a writer uses to wring emotion from you. Or in this story's case the emotional cudgel meant to make you feel dammit.

The writing itself just isn't compelling. It feels like an emotional story told in the most emotionless way possible. Good writing is more than what happens, it's how the characters interact with what happens, and how they change. The protagonist just seems to react in the most emotionless douche way possible.
 
2012-11-09 10:33:35 AM

Old Man Winter: Anyone read the Sextet Wool?



Yeah, Wool was great. One of the many reasons I'm glad I got a kindle.
 
2012-11-09 11:38:20 AM

Boudyro: Eh, I get what it was trying to do, but it just fell flat for me.

The worst part about that is once it fails and you aren't lost in the story anymore, you start seeing all the little tricks a writer uses to wring emotion from you. Or in this story's case the emotional cudgel meant to make you feel dammit.

The writing itself just isn't compelling. It feels like an emotional story told in the most emotionless way possible. Good writing is more than what happens, it's how the characters interact with what happens, and how they change. The protagonist just seems to react in the most emotionless douche way possible.


This.

I wanted to like it, but it did absolutely nothing for me.
 
2012-11-09 12:09:02 PM
I liked it, tugged a bit at the old heartstrings.

Trouble is, from the first few lines I felt like I'd read it before, the whole story rang bells.

I'm not saying it's a rip off but I read something very similar some 30 years ago I'm almost certain.  I just can't place what the story was called or who wrote it.
 
jvl
2012-11-09 01:01:36 PM

HempHead: jvl: Seriously? They gave awards to an author who has no clue how humans operate? A child well-treated and loved by his mother turns against her for being Chinese? Uh, no. Unless the child is a psychopath, that makes no sense.

You don't have any children do you?


I have three half-Chinese children.
 
jvl
2012-11-09 01:03:47 PM

Carth: jvl: Seriously? They gave awards to an author who has no clue how humans operate? A child well-treated and loved by his mother turns against her for being Chinese? Uh, no. Unless the child is a psychopath, that makes no sense.

Yea, I mean a kid would never rebel against a part of themselves that is mocked by their peer group and makes them feel like an outsider.

Never raised a kid have you?


Notice the phrase "well-treated and loved." No child rebels and hates their parents without any cause. A different-looking face, one that the child has seen since birth, is not cause.
 
jvl
2012-11-09 01:05:57 PM

teardrop: Trouble is, from the first few lines I felt like I'd read it before, the whole story rang bells.


You probably have read a story like that before. The story was coldly calculated for its effect in a completely unoriginal and cynical way. You have probably had the misfortune of reading a story like that before.
 
2012-11-09 02:00:06 PM
"this sucks because it's been done before and just pushes specific buttons"

Jeebus, I bet you cold hearted, cynical bastards don't even tear up when you hear "Lick My Love Pump"
 
2012-11-09 02:22:40 PM

jvl: teardrop: Trouble is, from the first few lines I felt like I'd read it before, the whole story rang bells.

You probably have read a story like that before. The story was coldly calculated for its effect in a completely unoriginal and cynical way. You have probably had the misfortune of reading a story like that before.


It was specifically the Chinese mum and American dad, along with origami coming to life. first few paragraphs especially seemed like déjà vu
 
2012-11-09 04:19:07 PM

jvl: HempHead: jvl: Seriously? They gave awards to an author who has no clue how humans operate? A child well-treated and loved by his mother turns against her for being Chinese? Uh, no. Unless the child is a psychopath, that makes no sense.

You don't have any children do you?

I have three half-Chinese children.


That's only 1.5 kids.
 
2012-11-09 04:31:22 PM
The beginning seemed promising in a Bryan Fuller sort of way, but veered into more generic melodrama. Eh.
 
2012-11-09 06:20:43 PM

jvl: HempHead: jvl: Seriously? They gave awards to an author who has no clue how humans operate? A child well-treated and loved by his mother turns against her for being Chinese? Uh, no. Unless the child is a psychopath, that makes no sense.

You don't have any children do you?

I have three half-Chinese children.


That's interesting. Are they just half genetically Chinese or also half culturally Chinese? Does their Chinese parent actually speak Chinese, at home or at all? Have they been to China? Your profile indicates you're in California. In the last couple of decades, at the very least, I'd say that's not the locale that would tend to ignite common cultural hostilities and strongly conflicted cultural/genetic identity issues in families and children. Perhaps you could re-read TFS and try to understand the settings, both in locale and time. I'm probably in good shape here in that, though I live in a very red state, I also live in a University town where the mix of races and cultures is good and in a pretty good state of respect. The story assumed none of those things were true.
 
2012-11-09 08:53:07 PM

jvl: Seriously? They gave awards to an author who has no clue how humans operate? A child well-treated and loved by his mother turns against her for being Chinese? Uh, no. Unless the child is a psychopath, that makes no sense.


I've read the other replies to this comment, and I want to say, personally, to you, as a father of a half-Chinese son, just how sad your sentiments make me feel. I don't know you or your situation, but to observe with the kind of finality that you project; the dismissive attitude regarding your children's life experiences and the life experiences of your wife is appalling.
 
2012-11-09 10:25:39 PM

Lucky LaRue: I don't know you or your situation, but to observe with the kind of finality that you project; the dismissive attitude regarding your children's life experiences and the life experiences of your wife is appalling.


I think you might be projecting a little there, dude.

To read a post where a guy can't understand why a son would hate his mother for her race and instantly extrapolate from it that the guy is in real life dismissive towards his own children and his wife is... something of a goddamn stretch.
 
2012-11-09 11:28:26 PM
Gunther, I think Lucky LaRue may have also balled up one on my posts with whatsisname's. I don't think he mentioned a son, though with 3 children, statistics stay that he might.

Reminder, kids: When you want to debate successfully for your side, make sure you have your facts straight - even if it's just so you can plan how to bend them.
 
2012-11-10 10:42:45 AM

RatOmeter: Gunther, I think Lucky LaRue may have also balled up one on my posts with whatsisname's. I don't think he mentioned a son, though with 3 children, statistics stay that he might.

Reminder, kids: When you want to debate successfully for your side, make sure you have your facts straight - even if it's just so you can plan how to bend them.


Well, I don't think you should stick your children's hands into a toaster as punishment. That's just not good parenting.

/who needs facts
 
2012-11-11 01:28:24 AM
Wow, thanks subby. Read it last morning. then tried to read it again out loud.

/too dusty to finish reading outloud
//headline trifecta
 
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