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2012-11-08 07:06:18 PM
Send them to San Diego, we could set them off all in one big bang.
 
2012-11-08 07:09:17 PM

qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.


Sounds like the Night of the Brown Nosers meets Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The brown nosing variety of pod people circles a mirror-gazing rich dork.
 
2012-11-08 07:10:37 PM

brigid_fitch: The ridiculous overconfidence from this moron I can understand. But a fireworks display in MA, where he never had any hope of winning?


That alone says so much, doesn't it? He lost not just his home state and the state where his father was governor, but his running mate's home state as well. The takeaway from that seems to be that those who know them best don't much care for them.
 
2012-11-08 07:18:56 PM

flux: He lost not just his home state and the state where his father was governor, but his running mate's home state as well.


Also, the other states in which he has homes (California and New Hampshire).
 
2012-11-08 07:22:39 PM

elchip: With all the reports of lines, though, I don't get how turnout was 11 million voters less than 2008. Maybe more people are disenchanted.


A few things:

1) Sandy affected a good portion of NY/NJ. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but there's a lot of voters that didn't make it to the polls.
2) The places with early voting (FL and OH in particular) had a lot of shenanigans going on over dates and times of early voting.
3) And then there's actual new voter registration. See what Rachel Maddow has to say about that
 
2012-11-08 07:26:23 PM

qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.


Now, now: let's not forget that Romney was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everyone knew it. Romney owns a huge part of this loss.
 
2012-11-08 07:26:35 PM

qorkfiend: Antimatter: I'm loving this. The GOP must have been in a bubble or something. It don't think anyone int he national party of any note thought victory was anything but an absolute certainty.

It would interesting if we could get any numbers on how the differences in how the race was portrayed affected turnout. For the last month, the Democrats have all been "OMG OMG WE'RE GONNA LOSE" despite all of the data that said otherwise, and the GOP has been "Chill the fark out, we got this", again despite all of the data that said otherwise.


Ah, what? The Dems stated the first debate was bad, but was confident as the polls still showed a lead. After debate 2, the enthusiasm returned, and we were hyped.

The GOP, on the other hand, felt they had it in the bag, and refuse to acknowledge the falling mitt poll numbers after the bounce.

We walked into election night earful of only election tampering, but otherwise very confident. The GOP walked into it expecting a Romney landslide, despite no real pools showing any hope for them.
 
2012-11-08 07:28:47 PM

jules_siegel: qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.

Sounds like the Night of the Brown Nosers meets Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The brown nosing variety of pod people circles a mirror-gazing rich dork.


And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.
 
2012-11-08 07:32:04 PM

Antimatter: qorkfiend: Antimatter: I'm loving this. The GOP must have been in a bubble or something. It don't think anyone int he national party of any note thought victory was anything but an absolute certainty.

It would interesting if we could get any numbers on how the differences in how the race was portrayed affected turnout. For the last month, the Democrats have all been "OMG OMG WE'RE GONNA LOSE" despite all of the data that said otherwise, and the GOP has been "Chill the fark out, we got this", again despite all of the data that said otherwise.

Ah, what? The Dems stated the first debate was bad, but was confident as the polls still showed a lead. After debate 2, the enthusiasm returned, and we were hyped.

The GOP, on the other hand, felt they had it in the bag, and refuse to acknowledge the falling mitt poll numbers after the bounce.

We walked into election night earful of only election tampering, but otherwise very confident. The GOP walked into it expecting a Romney landslide, despite no real pools showing any hope for them.


Well, ok. It wasn't as bad as I made it out to be, but the Democrats had nowhere near the confidence the GOP did, even with all the data on their side.
 
2012-11-08 07:41:44 PM
ftfa
"But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents. "

Ouch.
 
Juc
2012-11-08 07:49:59 PM
This sort of thing is why I'm VERY relieved that Romney didn't win.

If he was lacking people on his team that could analyze things well enough to realize that not preparing for a possible loss would be silly; imagine what it'd have been like as President.

How much information would this guy ignore or misread in whatever decisions he made?
It'd have been a disaster for the USA.
 
2012-11-08 07:50:13 PM

qorkfiend: Well, ok. It wasn't as bad as I made it out to be, but the Democrats had nowhere near the confidence the GOP did, even with all the data on their side.


"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are so confident while the intelligent are full of doubt."
Bertrand Russell
 
2012-11-08 07:50:33 PM
Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.
 
2012-11-08 07:52:39 PM

Lando Lincoln: qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.

Now, now: let's not forget that Romney was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everyone knew it. Romney owns a huge part of this loss.


Romney's not blameless, no. But it's also not Romney's job to crunch polling data or monitor the media day in and day out - he pays people, and pays them well, to do those things for him. When it starts to come out that the entire campaign was that unaware of the actual electoral situation, and was that shocked by losing, it's a far bigger problem than the man at the top of the ticket. Their entire strategy hinged on Wisconsin, for god's sake, a state Romney had never held any sort of sustained lead in, and did not budge from that strategy despite all data. Their internal pollster counted empty responses as votes for Romney, which is an incredibly stupid idea and should prevent Neil Newhouse from ever getting another job as a pollster, since you can't trust his data. They didn't write a concession speech, when it would have been trivial for some staffer to jot down a few sentences to keep in their pocket.

They made absolutely no preparations for a loss, and there's good evidence they never even considered the possibility. Even if they didn't buy into the right-wing hype, they bought into the dead-heat, horse-race, coin-toss narrative, and still made no preparations for losing.

That is their failure.
 
2012-11-08 07:56:55 PM
I almost feel kind of bad for him.



/not really.
//Schadenfreude is such an amazing euphoric high.
 
2012-11-08 07:57:02 PM

Antimatter: We walked into election night earful of only election tampering, but otherwise very confident. The GOP walked into it expecting a Romney landslide, despite no real pools showing any hope for them.


It turns out the Romney campaign was too incompetent to run a voter suppression program too.
 
2012-11-08 08:07:12 PM
Why not invite the nation's Tea Baggers up to Bunker Hill and set them all off at once?
 
2012-11-08 08:18:58 PM

qorkfiend: Their entire strategy hinged on Wisconsin


I think part of that is due to their mindset that people voted for Democrats (and especially Obama) for . So, they may have illogically assumed: "Hey, look, we put one of your guys as the #2 guy on our ticket. How can you NOT vote for us now?"
 
2012-11-08 08:19:13 PM

TheSelphie: Guy must have been farking delusional AND insane to think he was actually going to win. He really is the gift that keeps on giving.


No. He really believed he was going to fulfill the White Horse prophesy. Wait, yes, that does make him delusional and insane.
 
2012-11-08 08:23:50 PM

schubie: jules_siegel: qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.

Sounds like the Night of the Brown Nosers meets Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The brown nosing variety of pod people circles a mirror-gazing rich dork.

And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.


And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.
And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.
 
2012-11-08 08:40:54 PM
From him not having a concession speech,already having a transition website ready to go and now this it seems Romney really thought he was going to win. This is hilarious. I wonder if he threw a tantrum when he realized he lost?
 
2012-11-08 08:42:30 PM

Hollie Maea: Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.


What's really funny is you could now say something crazy like "Nate Silver says that the real unemployment figure is 4%" and no one on the right would actually say a peep. Wonder how long that will last.
 
2012-11-08 08:48:34 PM

Juc: This sort of thing is why I'm VERY relieved that Romney didn't win.

If he was lacking people on his team that could analyze things well enough to realize that not preparing for a possible loss would be silly; imagine what it'd have been like as President.

How much information would this guy ignore or misread in whatever decisions he made?
It'd have been a disaster for the USA.


Exactly! Imagine what it would be like if the President never considered the possibility or consequences of failure!
 
2012-11-08 09:06:58 PM

mrshowrules: Hollie Maea: Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.

What's really funny is you could now say something crazy like "Nate Silver says that the real unemployment figure is 4%" and no one on the right would actually say a peep. Wonder how long that will last.


The number of eligible voters must be higher due to population growth though, right? So even if the exact same number of people voted, turnout would still technically be down as a proportion of the voting populace (though not by a huge amount, I would guess).
 
2012-11-08 09:09:17 PM

A Terrible Human: I wonder if he threw a tantrum when he realized he lost?


No need. He had Rove to do it for him.
 
2012-11-08 09:16:54 PM

Sasquatchuan: mrshowrules: Hollie Maea: Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.

What's really funny is you could now say something crazy like "Nate Silver says that the real unemployment figure is 4%" and no one on the right would actually say a peep. Wonder how long that will last.

The number of eligible voters must be higher due to population growth though, right? So even if the exact same number of people voted, turnout would still technically be down as a proportion of the voting populace (though not by a huge amount, I would guess).


Perhaps. I was making a side comment on how people don't dare question Silver now.
 
2012-11-08 09:18:14 PM

Lando Lincoln: qorkfiend: Losing this election was a professional failure of colossal magnitude by Romney's campaign staff.

Now, now: let's not forget that Romney was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everyone knew it. Romney owns a huge part of this loss.


Yea, there's that. No need to over analyze this one.
 
2012-11-08 09:21:04 PM

lilbjorn: A Terrible Human: I wonder if he threw a tantrum when he realized he lost?

No need. He had Rove to do it for him.


Oh I saw that and the schadenfreude was overwhelming.
 
2012-11-08 09:37:05 PM

A Terrible Human: From him not having a concession speech,already having a transition website ready to go and now this it seems Romney really thought he was going to win. This is hilarious. I wonder if he threw a tantrum when he realized he lost?



This, combined with the fact that Karl Rove was so convinced that he would win Ohio to a point where he threw a tantrum on LIVE TV, leads me to believe that these people were either supernaturally confident in themselves, or they had paid off certain people to fix the election.

The 2nd implication of course seems less likely right now since Obama ultimately won, but I wonder if Rove and Bapp had paid off the voting machine companies to siphon off the votes, but they underestimated how many votes they'd actually need to siphon.
 
2012-11-08 09:38:09 PM

mrshowrules: Hollie Maea: Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.

What's really funny is you could now say something crazy like "Nate Silver says that the real unemployment figure is 4%" and no one on the right would actually say a peep. Wonder how long that will last.


Approximately 2 to 4 years, roughly the amount of time Silver predicts the Democrats winning something again.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:56 PM

schubie: And you know who is 100% responsible? CEO in Chief Mittens Romney.


Surely you mean Rich Money. You left out his sidekick, Rancid Prepuce.
 
2012-11-08 10:24:58 PM

MithrandirBooga: mrshowrules: Hollie Maea: Nate Silver says there are still about 10 million votes to be counted. So...turnout wasn't actually down from 2008.

What's really funny is you could now say something crazy like "Nate Silver says that the real unemployment figure is 4%" and no one on the right would actually say a peep. Wonder how long that will last.

Approximately 2 to 4 years, roughly the amount of time Silver predicts the Democrats winning something again.


This is sad. When a segment of the population's memory becomes shorter than the election cycle, you are going to have serious problems.
 
2012-11-08 11:34:20 PM
I heard about this today, it kept the schadenfreude bubbling along deliciously for a few more hours. What a maroon.
 
2012-11-08 11:37:30 PM
I'm just curious -- how much did he -spend- on the fireworks? And did it come out of his campaign fund, or his personal fund?
 
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