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2012-11-08 12:22:35 PM  
36 votes:
If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.  
2012-11-08 12:18:12 PM  
31 votes:
This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.
2012-11-08 03:03:51 PM  
23 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Most of the obamacare stuff starts at 50 employees. Your dumbass friend needs an accountant or hr director that can read.
2012-11-08 12:30:45 PM  
21 votes:
Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.
2012-11-08 01:09:41 PM  
15 votes:
"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons)

Coward.
2012-11-08 03:04:15 PM  
14 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.
2012-11-08 02:59:25 PM  
14 votes:
Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 01:01:54 PM  
12 votes:
Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.
2012-11-08 03:08:13 PM  
11 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Well, since the "your friend" has under 50 employees his company is not required to pay any fines. Also, since there are under 25 employees there are tax credits for offering insurance for the employees.
2012-11-08 03:05:29 PM  
11 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.
2012-11-08 02:58:34 PM  
10 votes:
LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.
2012-11-08 03:21:38 PM  
9 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
2012-11-08 01:20:44 PM  
9 votes:

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.
2012-11-08 01:13:23 PM  
9 votes:
What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.
2012-11-08 03:02:41 PM  
8 votes:
There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.

Then, everyone pointed and laughed at him when he confused taxable income with gross profits.
2012-11-08 02:59:09 PM  
8 votes:
My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce
2012-11-08 03:50:39 PM  
7 votes:

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

24.media.tumblr.com
2012-11-08 03:14:46 PM  
7 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link
2012-11-08 01:31:36 PM  
7 votes:
I don't buy it. This smacks of Internet Tough Guy to me.
2012-11-08 03:06:29 PM  
6 votes:

Wook: He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Good. Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Next time, gripe about how building codes are preventing him from putting up that 10,000 sq ft lean-to with an extension cord running to it.
2012-11-08 03:05:26 PM  
6 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes


Nope. You're confusing right to work with "at will". Totally different.
2012-11-08 03:00:23 PM  
6 votes:
Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.
2012-11-08 03:02:25 PM  
5 votes:

Eddy Gurge


edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).
2012-11-08 12:56:20 PM  
5 votes:
So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?
2012-11-08 06:46:22 PM  
4 votes:

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get.


I find this statement abso-farking-lutely hilarious.
The left wing "libs" would love -- LOVE -- to have the government pay for health care by taxation, preferably running it through a single-payer system. This Obamacare compromise that we have came about because you conservatives were the ones who absolutely could not stand to even have a government option that the supposedly more efficient HMOs would have to compete with. So Obama took Obamacare from a plan that conservatives drew up, and now you have the gall to say that liberals don't get it because we arrived at a Republican plan because of conservative obstructionist obstinence? If that isn't the most pathetic pile of irony-filled BS I've ever heard, I don't know what is.
2012-11-08 03:24:59 PM  
4 votes:
So for those of you keeping track at home, it's now:

Obamacare - 22
Global Economic Meltdown Caused By Mega-Banks Playing Fast And Loose With The Subprime Mortgage Markets: 2.6 million

We'll be right back after this brief message from Bank of America.
2012-11-08 03:15:32 PM  
4 votes:
Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.
2012-11-08 03:13:02 PM  
4 votes:
I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.
2012-11-08 03:09:36 PM  
4 votes:
Another self-proclaimed "job creator" who seems to have difficulty with the business concept of increasing volume and profits. Why do so many "job creators" have such a problem with profit creation? A tad weird eh?

But that is not what this is about. I would bet this clown has low paid workers that he maximizes in all sorts of ways and reaps the profits. At the point when he is confronted with treating workers like human beings, out come the Obama conspiracy theories and of course, there is an all too willing media waiting with a microphone in hand.

Maybe the guy has some real issues with cashflow. At the same time if one's business is dependent on scraping the bottom of the barrel just to stay afloat, it is a signal of a far larger problem than having to offer healthcare and treating people with respect.

This a$$ will land on his feet and I am sure has a plan in place. I would bet his little call to the radio station is less of a plea for help (if that is what it was supposed to be) and more of yet another pathetic attempt to blame Obama for his lack of business acumen.
2012-11-08 03:05:49 PM  
4 votes:
The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.
2012-11-08 02:56:10 PM  
4 votes:
Enjoy the torrent of joblessness that's sure to come.
2012-11-08 01:40:07 PM  
4 votes:
Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point
2012-11-08 01:22:16 PM  
4 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.

That makes me an evil man to think that, doesn't it?

Not as evil as this idiot, though.
2012-11-08 05:50:41 PM  
3 votes:
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This piece never gets old, imo.
2012-11-08 04:22:12 PM  
3 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to buy our own health insurance. It is about the dignity of providing for ourselves while generating economic activity. There are many sides to this issue. I do sympathize with you, and hope your business can manage through this initial stage. Prices will fall dramatically in the next few years just as they did when mandatory auto insurance became required in my state. As I stated earlier we received a nominal refund this year & have seen our costs decrease steadily. I would like to offer my most sincere thanks to you & everyone else out there who will be burdened by obamacare. It is because of your small sacrifices that we are able to remain self reliant, to have a business & to thrive. You are buying our dignity & as cheesy & phoney as that sounds it is the truth...

Thank you for indulging my need to speak to this issue.
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM  
3 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


I'm sure there's a million other explanations about why your comment is absurdly wrong, but I'll add another.

Even *if* your friend didn't purchase the equipment or hire 3 more people, he still hired people.

How? Well, if you are telling the truth, he instead spent that money on healthcare... which means that doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc. saw more money than *they* were expecting and had to hire additional help. Even if they didn't hire additional employees, *someone* got more money in their pocket, and that someone probably spent it on a good or service they wouldn't have without the money, and the person they bought it from spent it on another good or service they wouldn't have purchased... all the way down the line.

The only way someone wasn't hired or additional goods weren't purchased is if that money spent on healthcare went right back into a bank collecting dust or overseas to another country like China. But again, that means more people hired in China, which increases demand elsewhere.

So, yes, you and your friend have little to no understanding of basic economics.
2012-11-08 03:45:56 PM  
3 votes:

superfudge73: I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?


This is the political equivalent to Lootie. If a white man is president, he was elected. If a homosexual-loving-Soshulist-Commuie-Marxist-atheist-Muslin BLACK man is president, he somehow got into the office.
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM  
3 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

 

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.
2012-11-08 03:19:05 PM  
3 votes:

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Your friend doesn't understand that any Obamacare related requirements and penalties don't kick in until 2014? Sounds like a pretty piss-poor business owner.
2012-11-08 03:14:25 PM  
3 votes:
I am thinking about buying a plumbing business that makes $250,000 a year, but if there are any taxes associated with income then I will just remain unemployed instead.
2012-11-08 03:09:11 PM  
3 votes:
If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.
2012-11-08 03:04:51 PM  
3 votes:
Here's to this gentleman getting outed and receiving the scorn he so richly deserves.
2012-11-08 02:59:31 PM  
3 votes:
He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.
2012-11-08 02:59:23 PM  
3 votes:
Yeah, well I just hired 50 people for my company because I think things are moving in the right direction!

/So there!
2012-11-08 02:57:29 PM  
3 votes:
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EdNortonsTwin: Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


For what?? My Business MY RULES!!!
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2012-11-08 02:50:49 PM  
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


Small business owners are unfailingly brilliant and honest in every way. Far more than us mortal men. He has no reason to lie.
2012-11-09 08:05:34 AM  
2 votes:

BgJonson79: Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built ...

That's the problem, isn't it? The degree of individual freedom we'd have to give up for universal healthcare.


Universal health care would actually contribute to individual freedom, since your continued good health would no longer be dependent on your employment.
2012-11-09 12:26:30 AM  
2 votes:

ciberido: BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?

The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?


That is often its stated intention. That is much less often the actual result.

One pitfall of liberal thinking is the tendency to believe that suffering and tragedy can be legislated or regulated out of existence. This is an unattainable goal, the pursuit of which leads to such farces as Mayor Bloomberg's war on large sodas.

Take as an example the fervent dream of the liberal moralist: single-payer healthcare. A government that provides my health care may decide that it can dictate any of my activities that might affect my health: my food intake, my exercise habits, my sleep schedule, my alcohol consumption, how often I floss, how often I change the air filter in my furnace--the list is, for all practical purposes, endless. And the government would do all of this in the name of protecting me from suffering, particularly if that suffering might require certain types of high-cost health care.

Even more disturbing to me is that there are people--Mayor Bloomberg and his ilk--who want to have that kind of fine-grained control over the lives of others. They want to institute and enforce these sorts of dictates, and penalize non-compliance. They possess an arrogant belief that they know what is best for everyone else, and think it only natural that the unenlightened should receive the benefits of their wisdom. They are a velvet glove of smug paternalism wrapped around an iron fist of coercion and punishment. And it's all "for your own good."

Here is your liberal morality summed up in a single sentence: "We know what's best for you."

You might like it. But it holds no appeal for me.
2012-11-08 08:22:19 PM  
2 votes:

garumph: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

hell, I'll mock away. Then someone else will hire those people and take the business that your friend is not doing. If there are customers out there people will set up and fill the need. You don't hire because of the cost of employees, you hire because you need resources to support your business.


Yup. I'm sick of this attitude where we're all supposed to revere business owners, however good or bad, like feudal lords living in castles above our shiatty little mud-huts. It's a two-way contract between employee and employer, and the same farking market forces that they claim are in play for everything else are in play for employment.

If there is a market for your product, your demand will increase and you will need more employees. Businesses don't just go around hiring people because taxes are low, and they don't just fire them because taxes are high.

If you're going around firing employees because you don't understand your future expenses or the law, you deserve to fail, and the people you fired will be better off working for someone else.
2012-11-08 04:33:13 PM  
2 votes:

Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built my savings back up (working on a house downpayment, 20% or bust), and then the layoff gremlin struck, and I dipped into it again until I got another job and started filling it back up.
2012-11-08 04:29:08 PM  
2 votes:

sdd2000: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well

It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.


Companies like Darden (headquartered here in Orlando, so this is one of their trial markets) are planning to have more employees who work fewer hours, specifically to reduce the impact of the "30 hours" rule. The "full time equivalent" rule hasn't happened yet, so companies are adapting to the law as written, and will adapt again if they necessary. They are doing this now in order to assess the effect on their business before the Obamacare rules are in full effect.

Companies have always altered their behavior in response to changes in the law, and I don't think that Obamacare will be any different in that regard.

Hypothetically, I can see how a business owner who has slightly more than 50 employees and does not provide insurance might look at laying off a few people to get under the 50-employee limit to avoid paying the fine. The fine is $2000 per employee, so the minimum fine is $100,000. For a company with 50 employees, laying off one employee to avoid a $100,000 penalty is mathematically a no-brainer. That one employee would have to bring in $100,000 profit--that's profit, not just revenue--per year, to offset the cost of the fine. It's likely that this hypothetical company would have at least one employee who is not contributing that much to the bottom line.

A company would have to be significantly above the 50-employee threshold (possibly 60+ employees) before the layoff would have enough of an impact on sales and productivity to make it counter-productive.
2012-11-08 04:24:00 PM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.


No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
2012-11-08 03:59:26 PM  
2 votes:

kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?
2012-11-08 03:59:22 PM  
2 votes:
The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.
2012-11-08 03:47:04 PM  
2 votes:

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


Except--according to the "boss"--they're just a bunch of stupid mexicans that didn't understand his repeated attempts to "educate" them. They're probably too stupid to use a computer.
2012-11-08 03:43:45 PM  
2 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.


Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.
2012-11-08 03:37:16 PM  
2 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


If they were working for a living, it's quite possible.
2012-11-08 03:29:49 PM  
2 votes:

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.
2012-11-08 03:28:28 PM  
2 votes:

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.
2012-11-08 03:25:02 PM  
2 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Agreed. Being called "ignorant" by you is something I am proud of.

I might've even made a button and wear it on my lapel but I'd have to explain it to people who didn't read this thread so I guess I won't bother. I guess "Anonymous internet jerk called me 'ignorna' for voting for Obama" might work.
2012-11-08 03:23:52 PM  
2 votes:

BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


You suck at teh maths.
2012-11-08 03:23:32 PM  
2 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Let me fix your lapel for you....there ya go.

Next time do a little homework before you just make shiat up.
2012-11-08 03:17:58 PM  
2 votes:
Maybe it was one of those businesses that cleaned out evicted homes..
2012-11-08 03:17:46 PM  
2 votes:

Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


I had someone actually interested in buying a business from me the other day and they started talking about how they weren't sure what they wanted to do and may have to wait till after the election to figure out how to adjust the financials for Obamacare. There were like 20 employees. Jesus people educate yourself before you toss this shiat out there, it makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.
2012-11-08 03:16:11 PM  
2 votes:
"Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.
2012-11-08 03:14:24 PM  
2 votes:

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins, by claiming he fired people, while not offering any proof he actually did.


There. Fixed.
2012-11-08 03:12:15 PM  
2 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


i suspect your friend is going to pass on those Obamacare costs to his employees. just as they pay for whatever insurance coverage program they have right now, as well as medicare, medicaid and what 5-7 other deductibles that come out of a standard pay check. the great unwashed tax payer working slob takes it up the tail pipe cradle to grave. nothing new under the sun. could be worse, count your blessings. they don't have NASCAR and freedom of religion in a lot of countries. but i think your friend is blowing smoke up your keister.
2012-11-08 03:09:55 PM  
2 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.
2012-11-08 03:08:39 PM  
2 votes:

Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.


Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.
2012-11-08 03:08:31 PM  
2 votes:
Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.
2012-11-08 03:03:55 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


What the US has now bears little resemblance to a free market.

/Much like Stalin's Russia didn't look anything like communism.
/these layoffs were probably coming for some time, but the employer wants political action.
2012-11-08 03:03:47 PM  
2 votes:
Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.
2012-11-08 03:03:18 PM  
2 votes:
The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt
2012-11-08 03:02:49 PM  
2 votes:
What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family
2012-11-08 02:57:15 PM  
2 votes:
Faaaake
2012-11-09 11:13:49 AM  
1 votes:

Profedius: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.

You bring up good points. Though like a lot of people it seems people think the rich have all their money in some secret vault just sitting there doing nothing. Now granted there are rich people that are assholes, but even those people have their money in a bank at least and banks invest money in order to make money so even the asshole rich are not just hording the money in some dark hole that the people cannot get to. The real assholes are the government when it comes to money, because they take money out of the economy and spend it in useless investments, because they have no desire to make a monetary gain on their investment only a political gain. Look at welfare as an example of how bad the government plan is for the economy. What does a person on welfare buy aside from food? So welfare might help farmers and industries that make the packaging for food products, but doesn't do anything for improving the economy, because there are not a lot of job opportunities in farming or food packaging. Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.


Nope, not secret vaults. In secret Cayman Islands and Swiss accounts, being invested overseas and out of reach of our taxes. It's not being spent in America, though it is being siphoned out of American pockets.

As for welfare... if we took the money out of that, people would starve. I'm not a big fan of that. Taking the money out of welfare means that people who work for places like Walmart (that don't pay much at all but are the only employer around for people without a ton of education) would go hungry. When you have starving people, you have desperate people, and crime goes up. I don't want that, I don't think you want that, either. There's more than just money that affects the economy. People depending on things like that don't just disappear when you take away their support. They find alternate means of support.
2012-11-09 12:11:43 AM  
1 votes:

Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.


Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.
2012-11-08 10:49:03 PM  
1 votes:

tortilla burger: Faaaake


If this was legit, at least one of the employees would've gone public by now. We'd know what company and who did it. This was a bullshiat call.
2012-11-08 10:34:15 PM  
1 votes:
Where's the HERO tag???
2012-11-08 09:34:24 PM  
1 votes:

Cybernetic: sdd2000: You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.

Do you have a link with information on that? This is a sincere question. I did a quick Google and couldn't come up with anything specific, and I'd like to see how it affects the math.


Link
2012-11-08 07:49:38 PM  
1 votes:

BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?


The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?
Ant
2012-11-08 07:34:23 PM  
1 votes:

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


House of the Rising Butthurt
Ziggy Butthurt
Welcome to the Butthurt
2012-11-08 06:58:39 PM  
1 votes:
A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees random anonymous late-shift french fry technician tells right-wing-AM-radio shock jock he fired 22 imaginary workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama's re-election.

"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that "elections have consequences"


Nice reporting, CBS Las Vegas, but you missed the real story: Obama is instituting taxpayer-funded slave reparations to the tune of $150,000 to every living black American. Why is the liberal Main Stream MSM Media ignoring this?
2012-11-08 05:51:23 PM  
1 votes:

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.



Your friend is trying to maintain a small risk pool by purchasing a traditional form of employer provided health insurance. That's neither cheap, nor efficient, nor sustainable. Your friend should benefit from the insurance exchanges states will be setting up for small businesses that are meant to correct the risk pool problem.
2012-11-08 05:43:09 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I dunno - the price of stamps went up after the Govt got out of the Post Office.
2012-11-08 05:25:04 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.


Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.
2012-11-08 05:24:49 PM  
1 votes:
If somebody wants to kill their business because Obama won, that is their right. It isn't the fault of either the workers or the president.
2012-11-08 05:17:01 PM  
1 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Also it doesn't go into full effect until 2014 so further calling BS on your CSB.
The parts in effect today are:

Cap on insurance company rate increases - currently in effect
Free preventive care for seniors - currently in effect
Donut hole closure for medicare - already started, will be complete by 2014

None of these would create any additional expesne for a business owner.

Remaining parts to be inacted in 2014:

No discrimination for pre-existing conditions - effective 2014
Patients Bill of Rights - phase in by 2014
Only those without health insurance will have to buy it. 1 % effect on the public - effective 2014 (Individual Mandate - upheld by Supreme Court)
Tax credit for small businesses

Damn shame people who don't have a clue about the law are against it.
Just goes to show how effective the propaganda has been against it.
2012-11-08 05:07:00 PM  
1 votes:

Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.


I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.
2012-11-08 05:04:15 PM  
1 votes:
Then let demand exceed supply and let someone else step in to fill the gap in the market.
2012-11-08 05:00:32 PM  
1 votes:
I am just wondering how bad it is going to have to get before the libtards finally realize we cannot afford to subsidize all aspects of the lives of people who do not work for a living with the taxpayer income of those that do. Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.
2012-11-08 04:52:46 PM  
1 votes:

orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past. Everything from the cold to a broken arm. I know I'm not immortal and that I don't have an infallible immune system, and I budget accordingly.

In the mean time, the 99.9% of the time that I'm not sick or injured, that money is sitting in my bank (well, credit union) account, earning me money. Hooray!


Tigger: drop: Phins: drop:
Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.

Derp harder.
2012-11-08 04:49:54 PM  
1 votes:

Boeheimian Rhapsody: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He's probably the guy that hired all those people to hand out sexy cards to people as they walk down the strip.

over the last weekend in October my wife and I collected 122 different cards soliciting escort services. Only 14 duplicates. And that was really just walking between the Venitian and New York New York


Ohh the Prosti-Playing cards! I've got a stack of them at home from my last time in Vegas. My buddies and I would play the old "War" game with em, but instead of numbers, their price and deals were the values. Also clothed ones were worth less than nude/censored ones, and two-fers/twins beat everyone.
2012-11-08 04:44:03 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.

It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.


We tried for Single Payer and the GOP wouldn't hear of it. Obamacare is a bastardized mess because of Republican idiocy. But, its less expensive than the costs of Emergency Care. Or does a humanitarian such as yourself advocate for people die in the streets?
2012-11-08 04:38:41 PM  
1 votes:
One more on the "this dud is a moron" pile.

I run a small company with about 25 employees. We have not laid anyone off for any reason other than lack of work (the last time that happened was 2010). We have not hired many people either. Our guys would rather work OT than split the new work with new guys.

It would be cool to know what line of work this guy was in...if it is our field I would want to send my salesman out to call on his clients.
2012-11-08 04:32:34 PM  
1 votes:

faeriefay: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to buy ...



That was a much more thoughtful response than he deserved. Thank you for sharing. GOD bless.
2012-11-08 04:27:55 PM  
1 votes:
I'll just leave this here for future reference:

i.imgur.com
2012-11-08 04:27:51 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


He's probably the guy that hired all those people to hand out sexy cards to people as they walk down the strip.

over the last weekend in October my wife and I collected 122 different cards soliciting escort services. Only 14 duplicates. And that was really just walking between the Venitian and New York New York
2012-11-08 04:25:17 PM  
1 votes:

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.


If he'll make more money by firing these people, why is he employing them?
2012-11-08 04:21:13 PM  
1 votes:

Antimatter: peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?

Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.


Weird, Obama and the Dems controlled everything when he was first elected. How could the Republicans have stopped him?
2012-11-08 04:18:45 PM  
1 votes:

mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.


It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.
2012-11-08 04:15:20 PM  
1 votes:
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?
2012-11-08 04:14:38 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.
2012-11-08 04:11:26 PM  
1 votes:

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


I gotta say, reminding people of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company is a great way to build support for Unions.
2012-11-08 04:08:06 PM  
1 votes:
Oh yeah? I just hired 20 million zillion workers because Obama won. Now give me a news piece.
2012-11-08 04:06:37 PM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt


Keep On Rockin' Butthurt In The Freeworld
Norweigan Butthurt
Same Old Song and Butthurt
Cheeseburger In Butthurt
Dark Side Of The Butthurt
Ace Of Butthurt
Butthurt Calling
Butthurt By The Dashboard Light
Freebutthurt
One Bourbon, Once Scotch and One Butthurt
Du Butthurt
Eighteen and Butthurt
2012-11-08 04:05:24 PM  
1 votes:
If this is true, and there are plenty of indications it's not, he probably runs a landscaping business and the 22 "mostly hispanic" people he 'fired' are actually a couple of pickup trucks full of illegals that he hires and lays off every day while paying them subsistent wages.
2012-11-08 04:04:08 PM  
1 votes:

drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....
2012-11-08 04:00:41 PM  
1 votes:
In more ways than one:

i50.tinypic.com
2012-11-08 03:59:39 PM  
1 votes:

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


Incense And Butthurt
Butthurt Woman
I Fought The Butthurt, And The Butthurt Won
Comfortably Butthurt
Friends In Butthurt Places
House Of Butthurt
Who'll Stop the Butthurt
Afternoon Butthurt
Butthurt in The Sky
2012-11-08 03:57:49 PM  
1 votes:

drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."
2012-11-08 03:53:28 PM  
1 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


... no

Right to work = you can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment
Work at will = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes, not withstanding any existing labor agreement.
2012-11-08 03:52:21 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!

Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.


This is a big pile of something that can be found in abundance on lots of family farms.
2012-11-08 03:51:30 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Obamacare has not really even kicked in, not where it would affect him financially.

In short: this guy is just a dick.
2012-11-08 03:51:23 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


Great point. Apparently one consequence of this election is to weed out many of the idiots who should not be running their own companies.

Running a business means being flexible enough to deal with external factors like new competition and legislation. If a new policy enacted by the governement is putting you into a financial crisis, it's an indication that you didn't do a particularly good job of building your business.
2012-11-08 03:49:21 PM  
1 votes:

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.
2012-11-08 03:47:39 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone who overstaffs their company by 20% is an idiot.

You should have been running leaner already, dumbass. Have fun in bankruptcy court.
2012-11-08 03:46:46 PM  
1 votes:

relcec:
in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


FARKIN REPUBLICAN MATH... HOW DOES IT WORK?!?!!!11!!1
2012-11-08 03:42:54 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It'll cost more for businesses to hire and train new people to cover hours that can't be covered by sub-30 hour workers. So is there a net gain at all for the profit-at-all-costs-d!cks??
2012-11-08 03:38:42 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.
2012-11-08 03:37:09 PM  
1 votes:
I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.
2012-11-08 03:37:04 PM  
1 votes:

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be making at least 120k a year. not many companies have that as the average salary. in short, you plainly don;t have any idea what you are talking about. the average premium per employee for an american company is probably closer to 6500 a year than whatever you had in mind.
2012-11-08 03:36:21 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...


hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?
2012-11-08 03:34:29 PM  
1 votes:
The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.
2012-11-08 03:33:47 PM  
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?


Republicans are blaming Obama's victory on the Hispanic voters. I guess this fictional tale couldn't pass up a chance to get a dig in on them too.
2012-11-08 03:33:35 PM  
1 votes:
The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.
2012-11-08 03:33:02 PM  
1 votes:

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
2012-11-08 03:32:12 PM  
1 votes:

factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
2012-11-08 03:30:25 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.
2012-11-08 03:29:59 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: In what way?


Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"
2012-11-08 03:29:57 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


So you have private flood insurance?
2012-11-08 03:29:33 PM  
1 votes:

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."
2012-11-08 03:28:51 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


The big strong boot-strappy conservative is afraid to give his name? I seriously doubt this is real.
2012-11-08 03:26:23 PM  
1 votes:

Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.


*rolleyes*

/was a joke
2012-11-08 03:25:28 PM  
1 votes:

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


If he's feeding his family with his business net profit, he's doing it wrong.
2012-11-08 03:24:25 PM  
1 votes:

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


He has proven this fact several times over. Every time this person speaks, stupidity reigns.
2012-11-08 03:23:19 PM  
1 votes:
I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.
2012-11-08 03:23:09 PM  
1 votes:

Coelacanth: The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.


This is brilliant. We can call them the Crawlspace Corps. Is there anywhere I can stream this?
2012-11-08 03:22:55 PM  
1 votes:
I love how out of one side of his mouth he goes on and on about how he puts the well being of his employees ahead of his own and out of the other he is basically saying that his business comes first.
2012-11-08 03:21:28 PM  
1 votes:

factoryconnection: "Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.


be nice if we didn't have to get insurance through the good graces of our f*cking employers though now, wouldn't it?
it is a thoroughly shiat system, probably the very worst out of all the highly developed welfare nations in the world. what century is this?
maybe in the next universe over the u.s has it there, but now it isn't ever coming here.
2012-11-08 03:20:45 PM  
1 votes:

Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


Tell that to the 20.
2012-11-08 03:20:19 PM  
1 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Um, no.

What you're describing is "at-will employment," which is what you are pretty much anywhere in the US if you don't have a contract. You can quit for any reason, and you can be fired for virtually any reason (including no reason at all).

"Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."
2012-11-08 03:18:52 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


No. It's the usual game of blaming everything on Obama whether or not he had anything to do with it. It's called shifting the blame.

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


And what would happen to one of his employees who got sick if he was allowed to keep on providing fake health insurance?

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


More likely the Tea Party.

skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM


And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.
2012-11-08 03:16:54 PM  
1 votes:

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.


Bridge to sell you, I have.
2012-11-08 03:16:47 PM  
1 votes:
That's great I hired 44 people because Obama won.
2012-11-08 03:16:43 PM  
1 votes:
I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.
2012-11-08 03:15:07 PM  
1 votes:
So apparently since the election one actor found work thanks to Obama.
2012-11-08 03:13:14 PM  
1 votes:
His remaining employees are going to have to cover for the absence. I hope they are not on salary.
2012-11-08 03:11:33 PM  
1 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


Or he runs narrow margins and the penalty is more affordable. but you be sure to whisper sweet nothings to that chicken while you keep farking it.
2012-11-08 03:11:30 PM  
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I'm not sure what all you kids are talking about, because the guy owns the company: He can do whatever he pleases. Call him asinine, go ahead, he's got a company and you don't.

Seriously, I respect social programs on some level, but the ideas you guys have about running a business are absolutely naive.
2012-11-08 03:10:29 PM  
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ts2.mm.bing.net

What will republicans do with all their spare time?
2012-11-08 03:10:20 PM  
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relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state
2012-11-08 03:09:14 PM  
1 votes:
I guess "David" the plumber's business ain't doing so good.
2012-11-08 03:07:13 PM  
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I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.
2012-11-08 03:05:51 PM  
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Wook: You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....


I call bullshiat.
no one has ever in the history of the united states built a company from the ground up.
company's either spring forth directly from the roads and other infrastructure that these hard working but unsuccessful liberal farkers pay for with their earned income credits or are simply handed down from rich old white men that exploited slaves or serfs to create them.
2012-11-08 03:05:25 PM  
1 votes:

Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Seriously?
2012-11-08 03:04:31 PM  
1 votes:
Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM
2012-11-08 02:59:08 PM  
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MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?


Nice
2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM  
1 votes:
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.
2012-11-08 01:25:38 PM  
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Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.
2012-11-08 01:23:58 PM  
1 votes:

edmo: Right to work state?


What does that have to do with anything?
 
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