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2012-11-09 03:24:12 AM  

nmemkha: halfof33:
In businesslife as in nature, increased stress weeds out the weak and therefore free up resources for the ones that do survive. Cruel as it may be for those who can't complete, its businesslife.


So why aren't you arguing that these rules are unnecessary because the increased stress will weed out unproductive workers? A business owner is just a worker with more skin in the game.

/Another vote for fake
 
2012-11-09 04:31:38 AM  

Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built my sa ...

Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.


^^^ This right here
 
2012-11-09 04:44:53 AM  
Hrm, makes me wonder if this just a stab by one side to make the other side look bad. Like that's never happened or anything when involving political agendas.
 
2012-11-09 05:46:34 AM  
Meanwhile Obama supporters have no problem with Obamacare's most onerous provisions coming into effect in 2013, after the election...
 
2012-11-09 07:34:32 AM  

drop: KnowledgeJunkie:

I feel compelled to point out that in this thread, you have taken both the position of (eventually) being forced into a healthcare program you don't want participate in, and bemoaning all the people who will "game the system" by not joining this same health program until they have a sudden immense cost.

Context, grasshopper.

Most places, gaming the system is not even an option. The ACA makes it an option everywhere, so I intend to take full advantage of it. Why shouldn't I?

And what a previous poster quoted to you is absolutely correct- (part of) the reasoning behind the ACA is that it is no longer acceptable for everyone who willfully purchases health insurance to cover the costs of a select few who gamble with how likely they are to need coverage and then get caught in a big accident or suddenly have heart failure, etc...

Sure it is. What are they going to do if I don't enroll, and don't pay their fine? Lock me up? Not only would that be laughable, it certainly wouldn't help the situation any.


Good luck with that. They have a lot of enforcement opportunities, the most obvious being that they can sue you.
 
2012-11-09 07:41:18 AM  
I just find it interesting that the Obama knob-gobblers here think that you can add legions of bureaucrats to a system and make it more efficient.
 
2012-11-09 08:03:23 AM  

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


He said he wanted to remain anonymous, if he did fire 22 employees, look for a lawsuit, and for former employees to come out and name him, his business, and his home address for the LULZ
 
2012-11-09 08:05:34 AM  

BgJonson79: Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built ...

That's the problem, isn't it? The degree of individual freedom we'd have to give up for universal healthcare.


Universal health care would actually contribute to individual freedom, since your continued good health would no longer be dependent on your employment.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:25 AM  
Fundamental change, hell yeah!
 
2012-11-09 08:10:19 AM  

Cobataiwan: Meanwhile Obama supporters have no problem with Obamacare's most onerous provisions coming into effect in 2013, after the election...


Which one is that?
 
2012-11-09 08:46:59 AM  

Surool: Then let a business owner who is good at his job expand his business. He can take up the slack left by your friend.


He's not my friend, buddy.

It was just bugging me that people thought they were "pwning" him by pointing out that th penalty provisions do not apply to a company under 50 employees, when that company was ALREADY providing health insurance.
 
2012-11-09 09:36:16 AM  

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


He's as white as you're 33.
 
2012-11-09 09:41:41 AM  
One of my closest friends owns his own flooring business. Just him, no employees. Early40's. Carpet and Vinyl are most of his business. He JUST paid off his very modest house because he saved and went without MANY other things and paid double mortgages.

His health insurance premiums went up over 2000 dollars a year. Directly related to Obamacare™
Forget employees, he can barely afford his own health care now. He has to work 2 extra days a month now just to break even. "Gee. Thanks Obama."

"When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support."

/Independent
 
2012-11-09 09:55:57 AM  
It's probably been pointed out above, but he totally farked himself on this one. His unemployment insurance rates are gonna jump because every one of those people will file for unemployment, every one of them will get it, perhaps several of them will sue for baseless termination (not sure of Nevada's law about this) and the wheels of the system will grind his balls to a fine paste.
 
2012-11-09 09:58:26 AM  

OhioUGrad: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He said he wanted to remain anonymous, if he did fire 22 employees, look for a lawsuit, and for former employees to come out and name him, his business, and his home address for the LULZ


I also want to remain anonymous. I just fired 23 people because Obama.

Bam, there ya go.

If you seriously believe this is real, I've got a great bridge I'd like to show ya.
 
2012-11-09 10:04:36 AM  
I always wonder in threads like these how many people have actually read the law and kept up on the rule making and how many are just quoting news organizations?
 
2012-11-09 10:21:27 AM  
The difference between fiscal cons and fiscal libs is perspective.

Cons see the micro..... Libs see the macro side.

ALL fiscal conservative ideas stem from looking at current businesses and talking to business owners, CEOs, and investors and finding out what bottlenecks they have in doing their business, and then removing them. This is sensible and necessary to our economy..... their perspective is handy for finding regulations and taxes that are legitamately impairing our ability to create jobs.

Lib ideas come from basic modern economics, and looking at the economy as a whole.

Obamacare will cost more money to business owners..... ALL of them. "David" is on equal footing and playing by the same rules as his competition.....

All demand will be met, as long as supply can produce for less than the cost that demand is willing to pay. If "David" doesn't produce enough to match what his customers want..... then somebody else will. And that person will hire workers.
 
2012-11-09 10:33:14 AM  

Pockafrusta: One of my closest friends owns his own flooring business. Just him, no employees. Early40's. Carpet and Vinyl are most of his business. He JUST paid off his very modest house because he saved and went without MANY other things and paid double mortgages.

His health insurance premiums went up over 2000 dollars a year. Directly related to Obamacare™
Forget employees, he can barely afford his own health care now. He has to work 2 extra days a month now just to break even. "Gee. Thanks Obama."

"When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support."

/Independent


How do you know that his premiums went up only because of Obamacare?
 
2012-11-09 10:35:05 AM  
Just adding to my last thought/post:

A perfect example of how business costs can rise.... yet not cost anyone their job: think about how much a minimum wage increase affects your local fast food employer. The labor costs that that business pays just went up for every one of their employees. It will cost that business owner MANY thousands of dollars. But, they don't have to do layoffs, ever. That's because "economics".

/Stop worrying so much cons.... it will turn out fine.
 
2012-11-09 10:35:17 AM  

scottydoesntknow: OhioUGrad: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He said he wanted to remain anonymous, if he did fire 22 employees, look for a lawsuit, and for former employees to come out and name him, his business, and his home address for the LULZ

I also want to remain anonymous. I just fired 23 people because Obama.

Bam, there ya go.

If you seriously believe this is real, I've got a great bridge I'd like to show ya.


I simply said IF this is real, there are things to look for in coming weeks/months as PROOF......reading comprehension, how does it work?
 
2012-11-09 10:40:17 AM  

cards fan by association: Pockafrusta: One of my closest friends owns his own flooring business. Just him, no employees. Early40's. Carpet and Vinyl are most of his business. He JUST paid off his very modest house because he saved and went without MANY other things and paid double mortgages.

His health insurance premiums went up over 2000 dollars a year. Directly related to Obamacare™
Forget employees, he can barely afford his own health care now. He has to work 2 extra days a month now just to break even. "Gee. Thanks Obama."

"When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support."

/Independent

How do you know that his premiums went up only because of Obamacare?


Keep in mind also that his insurer is required by law to spend 80% of that insane increase on his family's healthcare or else the insurer is required by law to return his unused premiums to him. It's not all bad even if true.
 
2012-11-09 10:41:03 AM  

bunner: Profedius: Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.

On paper, yeah, I'd have to agree. Unless they just turn it into confetti based derivatives written against bad loans, uncollectable debt or Chernobyl like mortgages that were written for no other reason than to fluff up derivative portfolios that are later tanked and then we get dunned to replace the money. I mean, that sounds far fetched, I suppose.


Bear in mind that the home loan problem was a result of government backed loans in an effort to get subprime people into housing who otherwise would not qualify for a loan for the damn good reason that they could not be counted on to borrow responsibly and/or repay the debt. If the government had stayed out of the mortgage business we would have never had the inflated home prices and eventual collapse. I worked at Wells Fargo during this time and subprime loans were like a game of hot potato where one bank would buy the loan repackage it and sell it to another bank for more than they paid in order to make huge amounts of money and not get stuck holding the potato (loan) when the crash came. With the government backing banks knew they could sell the loan to the government banks (Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) so they felt safe in their game of hot potato. Our crash came when Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae stopped playing hot potato and the flex rates plans came into effect with the loans and the banks pulled out of the subprime market.

No matter how much a person wants to hate the rich if you look at a situation deep enough you will find your real enemy to be the government extended itself beyond its intended role.
 
2012-11-09 11:00:23 AM  

ciberido: bunner: vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"

[www.frontroomcinema.com image 400x400]

It's always amusing when hardcore conservatives try to imagine what "you libs" would do if the circumstances were reversed.


That's because empathy is a completely foreign concept to most hardcore conservatives
 
2012-11-09 11:13:49 AM  

Profedius: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.

You bring up good points. Though like a lot of people it seems people think the rich have all their money in some secret vault just sitting there doing nothing. Now granted there are rich people that are assholes, but even those people have their money in a bank at least and banks invest money in order to make money so even the asshole rich are not just hording the money in some dark hole that the people cannot get to. The real assholes are the government when it comes to money, because they take money out of the economy and spend it in useless investments, because they have no desire to make a monetary gain on their investment only a political gain. Look at welfare as an example of how bad the government plan is for the economy. What does a person on welfare buy aside from food? So welfare might help farmers and industries that make the packaging for food products, but doesn't do anything for improving the economy, because there are not a lot of job opportunities in farming or food packaging. Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.


Nope, not secret vaults. In secret Cayman Islands and Swiss accounts, being invested overseas and out of reach of our taxes. It's not being spent in America, though it is being siphoned out of American pockets.

As for welfare... if we took the money out of that, people would starve. I'm not a big fan of that. Taking the money out of welfare means that people who work for places like Walmart (that don't pay much at all but are the only employer around for people without a ton of education) would go hungry. When you have starving people, you have desperate people, and crime goes up. I don't want that, I don't think you want that, either. There's more than just money that affects the economy. People depending on things like that don't just disappear when you take away their support. They find alternate means of support.
 
2012-11-09 12:12:14 PM  

OhioUGrad: scottydoesntknow: OhioUGrad: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He said he wanted to remain anonymous, if he did fire 22 employees, look for a lawsuit, and for former employees to come out and name him, his business, and his home address for the LULZ

I also want to remain anonymous. I just fired 23 people because Obama.

Bam, there ya go.

If you seriously believe this is real, I've got a great bridge I'd like to show ya.

I simply said IF this is real, there are things to look for in coming weeks/months as PROOF......reading comprehension, how does it work?


I apologize then, it sure sounded like you were defending the guy by saying "he wanted to remain anonymous". Everyone wants to remain anonymous when they aren't telling the truth. I'm not even pretending this is real, because it's so obviously fake.
 
2012-11-09 12:27:52 PM  

Profedius: bunner: Profedius: Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.

On paper, yeah, I'd have to agree. Unless they just turn it into confetti based derivatives written against bad loans, uncollectable debt or Chernobyl like mortgages that were written for no other reason than to fluff up derivative portfolios that are later tanked and then we get dunned to replace the money. I mean, that sounds far fetched, I suppose.

Bear in mind that the home loan problem was a result of government backed loans in an effort to get subprime people into housing who otherwise would not qualify for a loan for the damn good reason that they could not be counted on to borrow responsibly and/or repay the debt. If the government had stayed out of the mortgage business we would have never had the inflated home prices and eventual collapse. I worked at Wells Fargo during this time and subprime loans were like a game of hot potato where one bank would buy the loan repackage it and sell it to another bank for more than they paid in order to make huge amounts of money and not get stuck holding the potato (loan) when the crash came. With the government backing banks knew they could sell the loan to the government banks (Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) so they felt safe in their game of hot potato. Our crash came when Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae stopped playing hot potato and the flex rates plans came into effect with the loans and the banks pulled out of the subprime market.

No matter how much a person wants to hate the rich if you look at a situation deep enough you will find your real enemy to be the government extended itself beyond its intended role.


By Government loans, do you mean investment banks and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac operating under the auspices of government?
 
2012-11-09 12:32:51 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.


That goes for both parties. Their job is to create left vs. right drama so you don't realize how hard they are screwing you.
in 2009 the average citizen in the united states paid half of every dollar on taxes, whether it was income, fuel, cigarettes, sales, property, luxury, vehicle, telephone, etc..
 
2012-11-09 12:34:41 PM  

ensign_noname: Vodka Zombie: Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.

That goes for both parties. Their job is to create left vs. right drama so you don't realize how hard they are screwing you.
in 2009 the average citizen in the united states paid half of every dollar on taxes, whether it was income, fuel, cigarettes, sales, property, luxury, vehicle, telephone, etc..


True, as long as the peasants blame themselves nobody will turn on the king....
 
2012-11-09 01:16:13 PM  

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


Let's find out.

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Hmmm...nope. Sorry.
 
2012-11-09 01:33:12 PM  
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OH HAI. Usd my tme mchne to fst fwrd to 2014. Sry LOL
 
2012-11-09 01:46:10 PM  

halfof33: Surool: Then let a business owner who is good at his job expand his business. He can take up the slack left by your friend.

He's not my friend, buddy.

It was just bugging me that people thought they were "pwning" him by pointing out that th penalty provisions do not apply to a company under 50 employees, when that company was ALREADY providing health insurance.


So, with the healthcare already taken care of, this is all "Waaaaah! My side lost so I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot!"
 
2012-11-09 01:53:06 PM  
I'm closing my business next week. Firing all 4 million of my employyes and burning my 17 corporate offices to the ground.
 
2012-11-09 01:53:39 PM  

Surool: So, with the healthcare already taken care of, this is all "Waaaaah! My side lost so I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot!"


No, not remotely.

Jesus, you in the correct thread?
 
2012-11-09 01:56:15 PM  

halfof33: Surool: So, with the healthcare already taken care of, this is all "Waaaaah! My side lost so I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot!"

No, not remotely.

Jesus, you in the correct thread?


That depends, are you still making lame excuses for an employer who refuses to expand his own business?
 
2012-11-09 01:57:42 PM  
More of this bullshiate...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/8/picket-com p anies-plan-massive-layoffs-obamacare-be/
 
2012-11-09 02:02:59 PM  

Surool: That depends, are you still making lame excuses for an employer who refuses to expand his own business?


No, never did. So good luck with that straw man, short bus.
 
2012-11-09 02:08:45 PM  

halfof33: Surool: Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.

sigh, the 50 employee threshold is NOT THE ONLY EXPENSE DRIVER OF OBAMACARE!! He already was providing coverage.

Cripes, I've explained this 5 times already.


This wasn't your post?
 
2012-11-09 02:23:50 PM  

Surool: This wasn't your post?


No my posts explained that the ObamaCare 50 employee threshold was not the only driver behind increased premiums.
 
2012-11-09 02:51:20 PM  

halfof33: Surool: This wasn't your post?

No my posts explained that the ObamaCare 50 employee threshold was not the only driver behind increased premiums.


Your name is on it. It is posted up thread and you are denying that quoted post was yours... okay.
 
2012-11-09 03:55:41 PM  

Surool: Your name is on it. It is posted up thread and you are denying that quoted post was yours... okay.


I get it, You are farking stupid.

I'll take it slow numb nuts: I never "made excuses" for him.

I pointed out that people, like you, who think that ObamaCare only impacts people with more than 50 employees are farking wrong.

I already pointed out that Obama care includes coverage for children until 26 and preexisting coverage mandates.

So gutterpunk morans like you who say pants on head stupid things like Derp mode: "Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business" derp mode off when talking about Obama care should STFU and GBTW.

/Looking forward to your next farking post that MISSES the POINT.
 
2012-11-09 04:07:46 PM  

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...



I'd like to clear something up.

FARK has not become "liberal", and neither has the country of America.

What has happened is, we have re-elected a conservative president in an era when the people who bill themselves as "conservative" are, in fact, greedy, drooling, hateful, spiteful, jackboot licking lunatics who view politics as a process of schoolyard bullying, and childish harrumphing demands because "it's our way or the highway!" who worship money, investment banker thugs and blowhards under the cloak of Jesus Christ. And the people you think are "full tilt commie, pinko, Trotsky loving subversives" are actually centrists. We haven't come anywhere near "liberal" in this country for a long, long time.

I hope this is informative.
 
2012-11-09 04:24:58 PM  

stonicus: I'm closing my business next week. Firing all 4 million of my employyes and burning my 17 corporate offices to the ground.


That's ok, to make up for it, I'm hiring all 6,973,738,433 human beings on the planet! That's right, biatches, global unemployment is now 0%!

/Of course, the pay is really bad... As in nothing...
//But, the work is pretty easy: just keep doing what you've been doing all this time!
 
2012-11-09 04:37:20 PM  

drop: orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past. Everything from the cold to a broken arm. I know I'm not immortal and that I don't have an infallible immune system, and I budget accordingly.

In the mean time, the 99.9% of the time that I'm not sick or injured, that money is sitting in my bank (well, credit union) account, earning me money. Hooray!


Tigger: drop: Phins: drop:
Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.

Derp harder.


Thread award for biggest moron goes to...

...drop!

Got enough saved up to roll $200k in cancer treatments?
 
2012-11-09 04:49:08 PM  

halfof33: Surool: Your name is on it. It is posted up thread and you are denying that quoted post was yours... okay.

I get it, You are farking stupid.

I'll take it slow numb nuts: I never "made excuses" for him.

I pointed out that people, like you, who think that ObamaCare only impacts people with more than 50 employees are farking wrong.

I already pointed out that Obama care includes coverage for children until 26 and preexisting coverage mandates.

So gutterpunk morans like you who say pants on head stupid things like Derp mode: "Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business" derp mode off when talking about Obama care should STFU and GBTW.

/Looking forward to your next farking post that MISSES the POINT.


You quoted my whole post in rebuttal and now claim you only meant to talk about one little tiny detail. I get it. You need to parse when you get called out for being a numbnuts.
 
2012-11-09 04:50:53 PM  

timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home


I was thinking the same thing. This is, of course, assuming that this story is even true. Until it can be verified in some feasible way that's more reliable than an anonymous radio talk show caller, I'm calling bullshiate.
 
2012-11-09 05:07:16 PM  

Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.


Probably not. He doesn't want to say what his business is, wants to remain anonymous, and he's hiring mostly Hispanics. IF this is legit, and it's more likely a sham since I've seen no other verification of the story whatsoever, there's a good possibility he's hiring illegal aliens.
 
2012-11-09 05:36:29 PM  

Pitabred: Profedius: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.

You bring up good points. Though like a lot of people it seems people think the rich have all their money in some secret vault just sitting there doing nothing. Now granted there are rich people that are assholes, but even those people have their money in a bank at least and banks invest money in ...


A few problems with what you and many others have been led to believe in order to justify an over reaching government with citizen dependence upon. Money held outside this country is only bad to the government since the market is a global entity where investments in America come for countries all over the world. Any change to the welfare system people have been led to see as a complete removal which of course would be of great impact, but no one suggesting any changes is going to just stop the checks all at once. We as a nation have become dependent on a program that was never intended to be a lifelong personal income supplement so we have to wean ourselves off the current program in favor of temporary assistance and skill training. A program of training would actually reduce crime, because people would be in training for at least 8 hours of the day improving themselves instead of laying around the house for 24 hours a day where they can get into all kinds of trouble. Last, but not least the current system cannot be maintained in its current form as its numbers increase with death being the only decrease factor.
 
2012-11-09 05:45:19 PM  

Eddy Gurge: Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Nope. You're confusing right to work with "at will". Totally different.


I live in a right to work state, it's commonly spoken of in our area. What he described is accurate to our current employment situation. Barring any rights bestowed by a contractual agreement,, an employer is not compelled to provide a reason whatsoever to fire an employee, as long as the reason is not infringing (a limited selection of) basic human rights. (Though of course they do keep their own records, to fend off any lawsuits from the terminated employee.) A completely arbitrary termination of an employee is absolutely 100% ok by law, and there are no workers rights to a job.

They can fire you for sneezing, or not sneezing. Or sneezing after break. Or they can fire you for showing up on time. Our bosses do not have any reason to tell the employee why they're being fired. That has kept our wages very low here in the south. Companies can fire you and hire a qualified individual who'll do your job for $1 less an day, until someone is willing to come in and do it for $1 less a day than even him. It is the company's desire to keep wages down, and the employees have been stripped of any real negotiating power.

What are the differences between "At Will" and "Right to Work," assuming everyone I know in my area is wrong about calling Louisiana a right-to-work state?
 
2012-11-09 05:52:45 PM  

Profedius: Any change to the welfare system people have been led to see as a complete removal which of course would be of great impact, but no one suggesting any changes is going to just stop the checks all at once.


This would suggest an understanding of phases, partial changes, etc.

One thing I've notice that the left is far worse then the right when it comes to understanding the difference between reduction and elimination. It's also become obvious that the left thinks in binary terms far more often the right. They like welfare as it is, so to them any change is tantamount to calling for the immediate elimination because the binary opposite of welfare is no welfare. There's simply no room for partial measures or time frames in which things are slowly changed. They're surprisingly impulsive, impatient, and inflexibly for a party that talks about being educated, visionary, tolerant, etc.

The binary thinking and inability to understand concepts like timeframe became really obvious in Nevada during the 2010 elections when Sharon Angle proposed phasing out Social Security. We were inundated with ads with people talking about how much money comes to NV's economy from social security and that we just can't afford to lose it right now, how "we need that money to take care of ourselves and our families", etc. It was all in dire tones and all acting as if social security would simply be cut off overnight.
 
2012-11-09 06:05:18 PM  

Profedius: A few problems with what you and many others have been led to believe in order to justify an over reaching government with citizen dependence upon. Money held outside this country is only bad to the government since the market is a global entity where investments in America come for countries all over the world. Any change to the welfare system people have been led to see as a complete removal which of course would be of great impact, but no one suggesting any changes is going to just stop the checks all at once. We as a nation have become dependent on a program that was never intended to be a lifelong personal income supplement so we have to wean ourselves off the current program in favor of temporary assistance and skill training. A program of training would actually reduce crime, because people would be in training for at least 8 hours of the day improving themselves instead of laying around the house for 24 hours a day where they can get into all kinds of trouble. Last, but not least the current system cannot be maintained in its current form as its numbers increase with death being the only decrease factor


So... you see the government as a separate entity from the people? That's interesting. The thing is, the money held outside the country was generated by the infrastructure provided by this country, which was created with tax money. So even if some of the investment comes back in, it doesn't offset the fact that people are making money off of our investment and shipping it back overseas. Even if the overseas countries invest back in us, that's still value (interest) being shipped back out of our country instead of performing here.

It's also interesting that you see welfare as such a bad thing, as if it's bad for people to eat. Welfare is not overall an expensive system, and most people don't want to be there. It's not an easy system to live on here in the US, as compared to places like Britain. I'm definitely a fan of public funding of education and training to help people get off welfare, though. Wit that said, welfare funding could be easily offset (and more) if we'd collect taxes owed, and close regulatory loopholes and subsidies. On top of that, we've got Republicans that blocked the ability of Medicare (the largest chunk of "welfare" spending) from being able to negotiate drug prices. We are not being fiscally snowed by the couple million dollars spent on welfare. We are being done in by industrial subterfuge and tax and regulatory games, where they gain all the benefits of operating in the US, and then defer or erase all tax liability, and play games with the regulations to get profitable deals guaranteed by the public coffers. Right now, we have never had lower business taxes, or a greater disparity of wealth, and our economy is tanked. The times when we had a booming economy? Business taxes were much higher. What we have is a bunch of rich people looking out for each other, lobbying each other, and farking the rest of the country through regulation and tax dodging, and those of us without enough money to keep our assets offshore are the ones footing the bill.

I find it very odd that you think that I have been "led to believe" things, rather than done analysis and investigation on my own. I'm rarely led anywhere, though I do try to allow data to direct my opinion.
 
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