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2012-11-08 08:43:09 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You and your friend are goddamned morans. Under Obamacare businesses with fewer than 50 people are exempt. Herpa derpidy doo!
 
2012-11-08 08:45:29 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Obamacare does'nt apply to companys with 50 or less workers.
 
2012-11-08 08:46:02 PM  
Assuming it's true, what a shiatty thing to do. I imagine morale with the other 92 or so employees is higher than ever.

I understand the idea that it will/might become more expensive to run a business with more than so many employees and all that, BUT why not wait until the enactment date of these regulations is a little more firm and you can actually project how much more it will cost and how many employees you will 'have' to fire.
 
2012-11-08 09:01:09 PM  
Joe the plumber ????
 
2012-11-08 09:05:38 PM  

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


It's real. It was on July 27th, and the guy scrubbed her comment, before trying to inexplicably claim the moral high ground, due to her "curse-filled rant," as though there isn't rampant racism, homophobia and bigotry all over that page.
 
2012-11-08 09:14:23 PM  
Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own
 
2012-11-08 09:23:53 PM  

laid back w/bud light: Joe the plumber ????


No, but there is some cracked butt showing.
Media types have got to take control of this type of clown.
Quit pandering to flaming derpsters. Call them on the spot and administer a corrective nut kick.
This crap of giving them a respectful soundboard instead of a biatchslap has to end.

/somebody needs to go back to being the adult
 
2012-11-08 09:32:02 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own


"So you're going to start doing what poor liberals have done for decades?"
 
2012-11-08 09:34:24 PM  

Cybernetic: sdd2000: You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.

Do you have a link with information on that? This is a sincere question. I did a quick Google and couldn't come up with anything specific, and I'd like to see how it affects the math.


Link
 
2012-11-08 09:35:50 PM  

snocone: Media types have got to take control of this type of clown.


Sadly, media is just one more money farm with a bunch of half-assed great pretenders looking for any dick to suck that will them better Arbitrons/page hits/ratings than the other guy, thus ensuring them some job security in the shark cage.

The rest of it is billionaires who sign their checks to run a vanity press for their particular brand of kool aid. Thing. Money. Thing becomes all about money. Thing stops being that thing.

We watch shows about bit*hy botox victims, sweaty men seaqring a lot at work and "cake wars", ffs.

Journalism is as dead as old Jacob Marley. This must be distinctly understood or else nothing good can come of this story
 
2012-11-08 09:37:00 PM  
swearing a lot at work
 
2012-11-08 09:44:56 PM  
Meanwhile, my company is hiring warehouse and office folks like crazy, and business has never been better... so suck it, anonymous Vegas talk show caller who claims to be a business owner.
 
2012-11-08 09:52:11 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.

The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.

That makes me an evil man to think that, doesn't it?

Not as evil as this idiot, though.


Don't be shocked, and you're not evil, you can just recognize the smell of scum wafting off the story. Assuming he's real, I'm certain this is the kind of cretin who hires illegals all the damn time to fill out this work crews, but doesn't say boo about them to the IRS when he files his employee taxes.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:42 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


LOL at your lying ass.
 
2012-11-08 10:11:56 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own


Send them my favorite anti-Rand polemic.
 
2012-11-08 10:13:19 PM  
I'm gonna respond by pretending that "David" is telling the truth (not that I believe that)

He's saying that he believes that his business costs will rise in just under 14 months.....

......So, in order to save up the extra money he will need for his business expenses, he will reduce his business...... and make less money for the next 14 months.

ok.
 
2012-11-08 10:15:17 PM  
Had nothing to do with his bussiness and everything to do with wanting to take his butt hurt out on someone and the only folks he had the power over to do so was his employees. It's kinda sick really. The hateful little troll doesn't sound like anyone I would want to work for anyway. But I will definantly remember this the next time someone starts whining about Class warfare because it's pretty clear here who is waging it.

Hypnozombie
 
2012-11-08 10:21:12 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.


Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17
 
2012-11-08 10:23:23 PM  

Surool: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17


Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.
 
2012-11-08 10:33:39 PM  
The whole reason that the free-market works is that the people who shouldn't be running a business fail, while our "captains of industry" rise to the top. Survival of the fittest. Conservatives have been complaining that the free market in this country is dead.....

Looks like Obama's 2nd term is already fixing our economy!
 
2012-11-08 10:34:15 PM  
Where's the HERO tag???
 
2012-11-08 10:37:55 PM  

mrbmp: Where's the HERO tag???


I'm sure if it was up your ass you'd know where it was.
 
2012-11-08 10:40:28 PM  

KnowledgeJunkie:

I feel compelled to point out that in this thread, you have taken both the position of (eventually) being forced into a healthcare program you don't want participate in, and bemoaning all the people who will "game the system" by not joining this same health program until they have a sudden immense cost.

Context, grasshopper.

Most places, gaming the system is not even an option. The ACA makes it an option everywhere, so I intend to take full advantage of it. Why shouldn't I?

And what a previous poster quoted to you is absolutely correct- (part of) the reasoning behind the ACA is that it is no longer acceptable for everyone who willfully purchases health insurance to cover the costs of a select few who gamble with how likely they are to need coverage and then get caught in a big accident or suddenly have heart failure, etc...

Sure it is. What are they going to do if I don't enroll, and don't pay their fine? Lock me up? Not only would that be laughable, it certainly wouldn't help the situation any.
 
2012-11-08 10:49:03 PM  

tortilla burger: Faaaake


If this was legit, at least one of the employees would've gone public by now. We'd know what company and who did it. This was a bullshiat call.
 
2012-11-08 10:53:00 PM  

bunner: swearing a lot at work


They got you doing double shifts at the Daily Worker, Trotsky?
 
2012-11-08 10:56:15 PM  

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


They're just parroting a chain email.  Seen many variations of it going back past 2008.
 
2012-11-08 11:04:44 PM  
This just in, made up company fires 22 made up employees.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:25 PM  
Maybe, but the interesting part about stories like this is that the present day sociopolitical climate makes the premise very plausible.
 
2012-11-08 11:07:09 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT and you libs will be forced to pick up your own Mexicans at Home Depot.


Go ahead. Do it.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:34 PM  

Surool: Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.


sigh, the 50 employee threshold is NOT THE ONLY EXPENSE DRIVER OF OBAMACARE!! He already was providing coverage.

Cripes, I've explained this 5 times already.

I get it, it is fark, sheep.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:11 PM  
What a sack of shiat. During WWII our tax rates for the highest earners were above 90%. Everything we've had since then has gotten progressively lower to the point where our top earners now MAX OUT at 35%. This jackass has no clue what a high tax rate is.

And guess what arsehole, if you take that cash and reinvest it in the business, it's not income for you. So you can end up in a lower tax bracket, and a stronger business.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:31 PM  
I would love the Repubicmorons to go "Galt". I would rather stay the "tech guy" in businesses, but I can run one if necessary.

remember a small company CEO makes about 1000X more than your average unemployed worker.
 
2012-11-08 11:35:12 PM  
If there's anything actionable on that employer, sue the living shiat out of him. Then David can be unmasked and face the consequences of political intimidation.
 
2012-11-08 11:41:07 PM  

FarOutMan: Obamacare does'nt apply to companys with 50 or less workers.


Which highlights the necessity of an anti-structuring provision. In short, if someone hires 49 people or otherwise gets on/near the edge of a limit, consider them in violation.

lordjupiter: Yup. I'm sick of this attitude where we're all supposed to revere business owners, however good or bad, like feudal lords living in castles above our shiatty little mud-huts. It's a two-way contract between employee and employer, and the same farking market forces that they claim are in play for everything else are in play for employment.


THIS
 
2012-11-08 11:41:53 PM  
Haha, look at all the angry liberal youth. Upset that a businessman who found their Messiah's health care plan too expensive for his current complement of employees is laying a few off. It's not good enough that their Messiah won..no... all people must adore and worship him! Yeah.. NOT HAPPENING.
 
2012-11-08 11:48:19 PM  

semiotix: Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.

"Right to work" laws prevent or interfere with otherwise lawful collective bargaining practices, including negotiating fees. Negotiating fees are not "union dues," do not make a worker a union member, and are by definition limited to the actual costs of the negotiation. This is a pretty good way of crippling or decertifying a union, since it basically makes union dues a charity donation from members to nonmembers. (Union members generally resent this kind of socialist redistribution of wealth.)


The interesting thing is that it doesn't apply to employer-formed unions such as temp/contract labor and staffing agencies. That is, those are unions of workers that are designed to protect the employer with the dues paid by the employer.

Why not make RTW apply both ways if freedom is the goal?
 
2012-11-09 12:00:40 AM  
I just fired 3000 employees because of Obamacare and offshored their jobs to China. Gee? No GE.
 
2012-11-09 12:03:18 AM  

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Holy cow, you guys are never going to get it, are you?

Businesses have expenses. The revenues have to exceed said expenses for the business to continue to exist (and by extension, employ people).

You can argue all day long whether or not Obamacare and obamaregulation is good or bad. You CANNOT argue, however, that they dont add expenses to a business. No one argues that.

If these added expenses drive up expenses to the point they exceed revenues, something must change. People get laid off or let go. Lines of business become unprofitable and are shut down.

Again, you can say that its worth it. You can say Obama's policies are good for the country as a whole. I personally think they are less destructive to our country's fiber than what Romney was going to do. However, you CANNOT say they do not cost jobs.
 
2012-11-09 12:04:51 AM  
People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.
 
2012-11-09 12:11:43 AM  

Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.


Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.
 
2012-11-09 12:12:06 AM  
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2012-11-09 12:26:30 AM  

ciberido: BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?

The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?


That is often its stated intention. That is much less often the actual result.

One pitfall of liberal thinking is the tendency to believe that suffering and tragedy can be legislated or regulated out of existence. This is an unattainable goal, the pursuit of which leads to such farces as Mayor Bloomberg's war on large sodas.

Take as an example the fervent dream of the liberal moralist: single-payer healthcare. A government that provides my health care may decide that it can dictate any of my activities that might affect my health: my food intake, my exercise habits, my sleep schedule, my alcohol consumption, how often I floss, how often I change the air filter in my furnace--the list is, for all practical purposes, endless. And the government would do all of this in the name of protecting me from suffering, particularly if that suffering might require certain types of high-cost health care.

Even more disturbing to me is that there are people--Mayor Bloomberg and his ilk--who want to have that kind of fine-grained control over the lives of others. They want to institute and enforce these sorts of dictates, and penalize non-compliance. They possess an arrogant belief that they know what is best for everyone else, and think it only natural that the unenlightened should receive the benefits of their wisdom. They are a velvet glove of smug paternalism wrapped around an iron fist of coercion and punishment. And it's all "for your own good."

Here is your liberal morality summed up in a single sentence: "We know what's best for you."

You might like it. But it holds no appeal for me.
 
2012-11-09 12:45:42 AM  
the comments on that page by butthurt republicans really are shameful.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:36 AM  

Cybernetic: ciberido: BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?

The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?

That is often its stated intention. That is much less often the actual result.

One pitfall of liberal thinking is the tendency to believe that suffering and tragedy can be legislated or regulated out of existence. This is an unattainable goal, the pursuit of which leads to such farces as Mayor Bloomberg's war on large sodas.

Take as an example the fervent dream of the liberal moralist: single-payer healthcare. A government that provides my health care may decide that it can dictate any of my activities that might affect my health: my food intake, my exercise habits, my sleep schedule, my alcohol consumption, how often I floss, how often I change the air filter in my furnace--the list is, for all practical purposes, endless. And the government would do all of this in the name of protecting me from suffering, particularly if that suffering might require certain types of high-cost health care.

Even more disturbing to me is that there are people--Mayor Bloomberg and his ilk--who want to have that kind of fine-grained control over the lives of others. They want to institute and enforce these sorts of dictates, and penalize non-compliance. They possess an arrogant belief that they know what is best for everyone else, and think it only natural that the unenlightened should receive the benefits of their wisdom. They are a v ...


Man, that slope looks slippery. What kind of lubricant do you use?
 
2012-11-09 12:50:45 AM  
@Raspil Better step back and look at the bigger picture.. which I'm sure will be a first for you based on the way you vote. You filthy liberals are the ones expressing "butthurt" on here at the "gall" of an employer to lay off his people. Try to get a clue by cutting back on the Pot, and Jon Stewart. Thanks.
 
2012-11-09 12:56:22 AM  

you are a puppet: What really put that interview into troll hyperdrive was claiming that most of his employees were Hispanic.


And if it is true, then he better hope for his sake that none of those fired employees finds out who he is.

An employer in an at-will state can totally fire employees for any reason, or no reason at all...unless it's because of their race, or for exercising a fundamental right.

The way this idiot framed his comments, it sounds very much like he either fired them because they were Hispanic or because he suspected them of voting for Obama. At least, that's what I'd be alleging in my complaint, were I their civil rights attorney. And, were I that hypothetical attorney, I'd be taking a page from Gloria Allred's playbook and making sure that allegation hit the press every time I got near a courthouse. The legal fees and bad press alone would make this fool wish he'd just kept his mouth shut and let his Hispanic Democrat employees keep working.

But very few attorneys are as mean as I am.
 
2012-11-09 01:23:08 AM  

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


Obama is just another puppet, rich old white men pull the strings.
 
2012-11-09 02:09:39 AM  

Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.


Rich old white men in charge of everything?

mmmhmmm... like the presidency?
 
2012-11-09 02:16:49 AM  

halfof33: Surool: Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.

sigh, the 50 employee threshold is NOT THE ONLY EXPENSE DRIVER OF OBAMACARE!! He already was providing coverage.


Then let a business owner who is good at his job expand his business. He can take up the slack left by your friend.
 
2012-11-09 03:00:22 AM  

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


In business as in nature, increased stress weeds out the weak and therefore free up resources for the ones that do survive. Cruel as it may be for those who can't complete, its business.
 
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