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2012-11-08 05:23:37 PM  
Health care is a problem because everybody knows that health care is something like 3000% over costs for EVERYTHING and the businesses don't want to piss the doctors off by calling them on it, let alone help pay for it to keep the serfs alive, and the corporate hospitals aren't going to stop gouging sick people by putting a gun to their heads for necessary care. The simplest solution up until now as just been to ignore the elephant in the room and tell the working poor and middle class "gee, that's too bad." And changing that means a lot of people with a lot of money actually have to get some skin in the game or just admit that they don't value human life any more than they do a beater car or a broken toaster. That, or doctors don't get to buy a new CLS Benzo every year, and that's communism.
 
2012-11-08 05:24:49 PM  
If somebody wants to kill their business because Obama won, that is their right. It isn't the fault of either the workers or the president.
 
2012-11-08 05:25:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.


Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.
 
2012-11-08 05:25:33 PM  

OnlyM3: Actions have consequences. Live with them.


// and enjoy your unemployment.


You should have voted the party line, komrade! You know, when we let the other shoe drop and just start shipping "dissidents" to gulags, I hope you get a really cold and filthy one. : )
 
2012-11-08 05:26:14 PM  
So this coward won't even tell us his name or his company? This man is taking revenge on his employees and nothing more. If we go into another recession it'll be because of so-called "job creators" DESTROYING jobs for no good reason.

So, Mr. Vindictive Business Owner, you've been doing just fine over the last four years but NOW you think the world's going to end? Based on what? Based on the fact that unemployment has been falling steadily? Foreclosures have slowed and home values are going up? Or all the other signs the economy has steadily been improving? You're a typical modern-day Republican, just like the GOP in Congress. Party before country, amiright? Destroy lives just because you don't like the president. I actually pity you people. It must be horrible to walk around with such delusions and paranoia. What's it like to pretend your life is so horrible because of someone else? I though Republicans were supposed to be the party of "personal responsibility". These days, they're the party of "blame the black guy."
 
2012-11-08 05:26:24 PM  

Cybernetic: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.

The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.


peltiertech.com

Sorry it's small.
Blue = countries with universal healthcare. (USA joins Mexico in brown. USA! USA!)
The thickness of the line = # of doctors visits per year
Left # = cost of healthcare per capita
Right # = life expectancy (not the best #, but still interesting)
 
2012-11-08 05:27:29 PM  

fnordfocus: Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.

Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.


Only a very small amount of humans possess the entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to hard work, high intelligence, and good old-fashioned gumption needed to run a landscaping business.

Someday we'll all GO GALT and you libs will be forced to pick up your own Mexicans at Home Depot.
 
2012-11-08 05:29:07 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT


Let me pack you a nice lunch and give you bus fare.
 
2012-11-08 05:30:52 PM  

Cybernetic: It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.


I don't know much about their tax structure, but the overall cost of health care in the US is quite a bit higher than any other country in the world.
 
2012-11-08 05:32:40 PM  

Johnson: This is David Siegel the "Time Share" king who "starred" in "The Queen of Versailles"

His empire took a huge hit in 2008 when he lost access to all the cheap money.
He has been laying off people ever since, he lost his massive Time Shares in Vegas to the banks
He was blabbing on and on mid October about how he was going to fire people if Obama got re-elected. 

The movie is a hoot. He keeps thinking everything will be all right, all he as to do is "find $400 million". 
This is a guy who had a 26K sq ft home for him and his wife and 7 kids and no mortgage, but he decided to build a 90K sq ft home. Despite having no mortgage on his home, he could not sit there with an "asset" that was not "leveraged" so he apparently took out a second mortgage on the place and dumped the money into his business.

Nice going dickhead.


THIS
 
2012-11-08 05:32:43 PM  

you have pee hands: Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.

No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.


First world outside of America? There's no such thing!
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-08 05:35:56 PM  
Health care is just one more money tap with a really useful exploit. If you don't get it when you need it, you may die. Like all things, as soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it's supposed to be about is what it used to be about and is remanded to tertiary importance and endless manipulation for more gain.

And like every other former product or service that has been turned into a whipped to bleeding cash cow in the last four decades, people are starting to notice that they're not getting what's on the label and getting dunned sh*tless for the privilege or receiving it.

Greed, you see, Ronnie - is not good. At all. It's the dismantling of hope and the debasement of societies. It's what screws our poooches.

It's a flag of surrender for humanity waved at the very things we created to serve us when they turn into festering leviathans and start to eat us whole.
 
2012-11-08 05:40:48 PM  

bunner: Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT

Let me pack you a nice lunch and give you bus fare.


You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.
 
2012-11-08 05:41:20 PM  

bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


You bring up good points. Though like a lot of people it seems people think the rich have all their money in some secret vault just sitting there doing nothing. Now granted there are rich people that are assholes, but even those people have their money in a bank at least and banks invest money in order to make money so even the asshole rich are not just hording the money in some dark hole that the people cannot get to. The real assholes are the government when it comes to money, because they take money out of the economy and spend it in useless investments, because they have no desire to make a monetary gain on their investment only a political gain. Look at welfare as an example of how bad the government plan is for the economy. What does a person on welfare buy aside from food? So welfare might help farmers and industries that make the packaging for food products, but doesn't do anything for improving the economy, because there are not a lot of job opportunities in farming or food packaging. Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand. It wouldn't be a fast change but it would change over time when there was no more "free money" to be had. We could always setup training camps where people could be taught a skill and paid a wage which would be faster though it does sound more Hilteristic. At any point providing money to the government to redistribute has never been and never will be a sustainable or even a good idea.
 
2012-11-08 05:43:09 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I dunno - the price of stamps went up after the Govt got out of the Post Office.
 
2012-11-08 05:46:33 PM  

jasimo: Cybernetic: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.

The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.

[peltiertech.com image 393x569]

Sorry it's small.
Blue = countries with universal healthcare. (USA joins Mexico in brown. USA! USA!)
The thickness of the line = # of doctors visits per year
Left # = cost of healthcare per capita
Right # = life expectancy (not the best #, but still interesting)


Those graphs are always interesting in the context that the longest lived people in the world are Japanese women living in the United States.
 
2012-11-08 05:50:41 PM  
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This piece never gets old, imo.
 
2012-11-08 05:51:23 PM  

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.



Your friend is trying to maintain a small risk pool by purchasing a traditional form of employer provided health insurance. That's neither cheap, nor efficient, nor sustainable. Your friend should benefit from the insurance exchanges states will be setting up for small businesses that are meant to correct the risk pool problem.
 
2012-11-08 05:51:39 PM  

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


Just wait til the Obama's Death Panel gets to him.

/I was told there'd be Death Panels.
 
2012-11-08 05:52:31 PM  

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


This is correct. They will have the same number of FTEs, however.
 
2012-11-08 05:52:35 PM  

Profedius: Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.


On paper, yeah, I'd have to agree. Unless they just turn it into confetti based derivatives written against bad loans, uncollectable debt or Chernobyl like mortgages that were written for no other reason than to fluff up derivative portfolios that are later tanked and then we get dunned to replace the money. I mean, that sounds far fetched, I suppose.
 
2012-11-08 05:57:39 PM  

Rapmaster2000: You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.


media.reason.com

i.ytimg.com

exiledonline.com
 
2012-11-08 05:59:14 PM  

BSABSVR: Rapmaster2000: You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.

[media.reason.com image 150x150]

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

[exiledonline.com image 350x382]


Um, bring little blue pills?
 
2012-11-08 05:59:48 PM  
given this guy did not name his business presumably to protect it and his family, not that it is guaranteed to work one of the employees he fired could easily rat him out and would have any number of reasons to do so. I call bullshiat on the whole thing if your gonna do this own it man , own it all the way.
 
2012-11-08 06:00:06 PM  
It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"
 
2012-11-08 06:03:52 PM  

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


Well almost. It would be "moved business to Canada."
 
2012-11-08 06:08:35 PM  

drop: Well almost. It would be "moved business to Canada."


"Canada eh? Almost made it..."

 
2012-11-08 06:08:45 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


hell, I'll mock away. Then someone else will hire those people and take the business that your friend is not doing. If there are customers out there people will set up and fill the need. You don't hire because of the cost of employees, you hire because you need resources to support your business.
 
2012-11-08 06:08:53 PM  

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


www.frontroomcinema.com
 
2012-11-08 06:09:50 PM  
Vague, ass employer follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins

/FTFY Subby
 
2012-11-08 06:11:15 PM  

Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


static.prtst.net
 
BHK
2012-11-08 06:14:58 PM  
TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?
 
2012-11-08 06:15:54 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link

[static.prtst.net image 140x140]


I already explained that Obamacare was not limited to penalties.

No one cared.

Or LEARNED,,,, clutches pearls
 
2012-11-08 06:16:13 PM  

Eddy Gurge: The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.


drop: Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.


CujoQuarrel: Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.


Thank you all. You're all wrong.

"Union shops" and "closed shops" are what you're describing. They have been illegal since Taft-Hartley passed in 1947.

Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.

"Right to work" laws prevent or interfere with otherwise lawful collective bargaining practices, including negotiating fees. Negotiating fees are not "union dues," do not make a worker a union member, and are by definition limited to the actual costs of the negotiation. This is a pretty good way of crippling or decertifying a union, since it basically makes union dues a charity donation from members to nonmembers. (Union members generally resent this kind of socialist redistribution of wealth.)

The plain-text definition of this basic term can be found here. Union types and anti-union types disagree furiously over whether these laws are good things or not. But they at least know what the words mean.
 
2012-11-08 06:19:12 PM  

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


I'm eagerly awaiting for the sequel, "For a Few Derps More".
 
2012-11-08 06:19:26 PM  
Four years ago I had a thriving business selling saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails). I had almost 42 employees, not including myself, my wife and our four children who helped out with the day to day operation. Once Obama was elected, I ended up having to pay taxes on our earnings, and when I realized how much free money I was just handing away (MY HARD EARNED CASH), I decided it was better to shut down and let my employees go.

It was the best decision of my life and I would do it again if I had the chance.
 
2012-11-08 06:21:09 PM  

drop: orbister: Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past.


You could afford a lung transplant, could you? Or appendicitis? How about a car accident that leaves you in intensive care for a month and in hospital for another three - you'd rather die, as you would if you got diabetes?

You've said that your savings were devastated by a broken arms, and you still think health insurance is a waste of time. Doesn't sound as if you're a terribly fast learner.
 
2012-11-08 06:21:22 PM  
Everybody knows how to fix things. Everybody is very aware of how we should conduct ourselves, the things that are important and how we should treat other human beings. We all *know* what is and isn't good. But we almost never do it. Because we think that if, by any means, we can get MORE than the other poor sonofab*tch, we "win".

The winner's circle. Let me show it to you.

mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com

Any questions? Any answers? Anybody want a TicTac?
 
2012-11-08 06:22:43 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


Sadly, this is apparently what happened to the North Korean soldiers in the coup attempt. It's hard to get solid news out of North Korean, however, so it's as much rumor as anything else.
 
2012-11-08 06:22:48 PM  

Rubberband Girl: FTFA - Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic - I'm not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees - well unfortunately we know what happened and I can't wait around anymore, I have to be proactive.

And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?


It makes him sound even *more* like a bigoted moron?
 
2012-11-08 06:23:21 PM  

Rubberband Girl: And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?


Because the clear message the caller was trying to get across was "Those damned hispanics nationwide voted Obama back in so I'm going to take it out on some hispanics." He's trying to give the impression of a coming race war.
 
2012-11-08 06:24:27 PM  
Wow, the fact that A) People actually believe this sh*t and B) the guy is being hailed as a hero by the right-wing radio talk show hosts is more than enough proof that our schools are not teaching critical thinking skills.

Lets just assume for the rest of my post that everything this douchebag said was true. Let's think about it...

The majority of Obamacare "regulations" for business come into effect in 2014. Now if he were this awesome amazing small businessman like Wilkow was fawning over this morning, that would assume that most of his 114 employees are employed because he's getting a good degree of utilization out of them. Obama gets re-elected meaning Obamacare isn't going anywhere, and this jackass decides that roughly 20 percent of his company gets the axe shortly after. This is not enough to get the company under the 50 employee cutoff line that exempts the business from many of Obamacare's "onerous regulations". So he's still having to match employee premiums on the 92 remaining employees or paying fines on them. So where does he get the number 22 from? Well then those employees were not being utilized to match whatever salary + benefits regardless of Obamacare and could have been on the chopping block for any number of oddball reasons. And again, with the majority of these regulations coming into effect in 2014, the fact that he's willing to part with them a full year before he would be effected by the law means that it's not Obamacare's fault he's letting them go, but rather for some other reason. He has just decided to grandstand and thinks (correctly for Republicans apparently) that everyone would be stupid enough to fall for his bullshiat

But again...

This is assuming that this isn't some butterscotch schnapps-drinking, chips and cheese dip-for-dinner, Facebutt-using dipshiat using the power of anonymity on the radio to spew derp.
 
2012-11-08 06:25:28 PM  
Meh. Boeing announced thousands of cuts yesterday.

Me? Glad the douche bag won, no, the other douche bag, keeps me in business.

Got a $500 donation at my site this morning, "just to keep up the good work".

Oh, I will, and as my skills progress, hilarity will ensue.
 
2012-11-08 06:26:40 PM  

orbister: He's trying to give the impression of a coming race war.


It may not be readily apparent, but - as in most of history where people who speak, eat, look and worship the same have always banded together - the great melting pot experiment has failed. The only thing holding this joint together at the joists is the fact that we have a pretty snazzy quality of life, and when they're done dismantling that, you better strap in.
 
2012-11-08 06:28:16 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Four years ago I had a thriving business selling saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails). I had almost 42 employees, not including myself, my wife and our four children who helped out with the day to day operation. Once Obama was elected, I ended up having to pay taxes on our earnings, and when I realized how much free money I was just handing away (MY HARD EARNED CASH), I decided it was better to shut down and let my employees go.

It was the best decision of my life and I would do it again if I had the chance.


What?! You had to pay TAXES?! OH THE HUMANITY!

I'm glad you shut it down, it's obvious you aren't capable of running a small business. Or much critical thought.
 
2012-11-08 06:28:16 PM  
Dude's a lying POS.

Guaranteed.
 
2012-11-08 06:29:42 PM  
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

Phins: You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?


Either?
 
2012-11-08 06:30:16 PM  

joonyer: I'm glad you shut it down, it's obvious you aren't capable of running a small business. Or much critical thought.


facepalm.

/everyone knows that the sales of saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails) market is controlled by the mob.
 
2012-11-08 06:31:59 PM  

Slam1263: Meh. Boeing announced thousands of cuts yesterday.

Me? Glad the douche bag won, no, the other douche bag, keeps me in business.

Got a $500 donation at my site this morning, "just to keep up the good work".

Oh, I will, and as my skills progress, hilarity will ensue.


Your skills have a long way to go, as does your childish worldview. Good luck with both.
 
2012-11-08 06:33:25 PM  
wazzzaaaaaaaaaaap
 
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