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2012-11-08 04:47:26 PM

jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.


If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.
 
2012-11-08 04:47:37 PM
It's only just begun
 
2012-11-08 04:49:54 PM

Boeheimian Rhapsody: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He's probably the guy that hired all those people to hand out sexy cards to people as they walk down the strip.

over the last weekend in October my wife and I collected 122 different cards soliciting escort services. Only 14 duplicates. And that was really just walking between the Venitian and New York New York


Ohh the Prosti-Playing cards! I've got a stack of them at home from my last time in Vegas. My buddies and I would play the old "War" game with em, but instead of numbers, their price and deals were the values. Also clothed ones were worth less than nude/censored ones, and two-fers/twins beat everyone.
 
2012-11-08 04:50:28 PM
Oh yeah? Well I fired 100 people!

What? No, of course I won't tell you my name, the name of my business, nor even what industry I'm in.
 
2012-11-08 04:51:15 PM

BgJonson79: jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.

If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.


Wouldn't surprise me, but I wanted to be....snert....conservative.
 
2012-11-08 04:52:32 PM

jasimo: BgJonson79: jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.

If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I wanted to be....snert....conservative.


Don't forget to tip your server!
 
2012-11-08 04:52:37 PM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-08 04:52:46 PM

orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past. Everything from the cold to a broken arm. I know I'm not immortal and that I don't have an infallible immune system, and I budget accordingly.

In the mean time, the 99.9% of the time that I'm not sick or injured, that money is sitting in my bank (well, credit union) account, earning me money. Hooray!


Tigger: drop: Phins: drop:
Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.

Derp harder.
 
2012-11-08 04:53:48 PM

way south: MythDragon: JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.

That seems like a resonable response.

To do that they'll have to buy a gun first.

/and the Gun market is escalating faster than gold thanks to Obama.
/There's just no escaping the man.


My stock in Ruger went up 4 bucks today! (I bought in immediatly after the re-election). Thanks FartBongo!
 
2012-11-08 04:54:47 PM
I am owner of a small appliance repair business. There are six of us, all family. Not too sure how the changes will affect us. Would rather have personal control regarding health care, but we will follow the new rules as they roll in.

I will hand down the company to be run by the kids in a few years, then my wife and I will retire, hop in the motor home, and go play. To our kids and all you farkers: I hope you all are able to keep your jobs and live well while your tax dollars make life comfortable for my wife and me. I really hope that you are all able to find and keep high paying jobs and that the economy holds out, as that allows me and the wife to pull our social security and the medicare for decades to come. Every day that you go to work, just keep in mind that my wife and I are counting on you to make our easy life possible. We both thank you in advance from the bottom of our Grand Canyon, Hoover Dam, Appalachian Trail, Statue of Liberty, Great Lakes, Big Bend, Key West adventurous hearts.

Go Obama go!
 
2012-11-08 04:55:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


Someone should call into the same station, anonymously, of course, and say that they just hired 23 people because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 04:57:32 PM
FTFA - Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic - I'm not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees - well unfortunately we know what happened and I can't wait around anymore, I have to be proactive.


And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?
 
2012-11-08 04:58:07 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Your "troll" has proved successful.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:21 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Either he's lying, or you are. I'm not a fan of it, but Obamacare, for good or ill, doesn't even kick in for more than a year.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:54 PM
I actually fired 20 people today but then hired back 100 supermodels and had sex with each one of them.

Yes, we did the weird stuff.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:58 PM
"At the end of the day, I need to survive."

No.

At the end of the day, you're a grubbing, avaricious, hubris riddled bag of douche crust scrapings and little else.

All necessary work is useful work and if you are told that you are doing work that is neither necessary or useful, then the person who sent you to do that work in a clinical imbecile. Is that work no longer ncessary? Did they not do the work? We're they dipping the register? Or are you just a posturing c*nt who plays thrift shop board games with the well being of people who bust their rear ends for you?
 
2012-11-08 04:59:57 PM

BgJonson79: This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.

So if you're one of those three, that's fine?


Well, those 3 might be out of a job, but at least they can can take consolation in the knowledge that they can subtract a two-digit number from another two-digit number successfully.
 
2012-11-08 05:00:25 PM
glad to see *most* of you called bullshiat on this story.

CBS Radio in Las Vegas is basically the Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones channel. Their call in shows are rightwing nut karaoke. Read the comment section of the story, it's pure skinnyhead style *potato!* derp.
 
2012-11-08 05:00:32 PM
I am just wondering how bad it is going to have to get before the libtards finally realize we cannot afford to subsidize all aspects of the lives of people who do not work for a living with the taxpayer income of those that do. Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.
 
2012-11-08 05:01:03 PM

Tigger: Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.


You know who else eliminated unacceptable financial risks?
 
2012-11-08 05:01:45 PM

hugram: As a 6'2" latino, I laughed...


Aren't you the one who loaned Pee Wee his shoes?

manilovefilms.com
 
2012-11-08 05:02:16 PM

jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.


We can only hope.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:05 PM

tuxq: I'm not sure what all you kids are talking about, because the guy owns the company: He can do whatever he pleases. Call him asinine, go ahead, he's got a company and you don't.

Seriously, I respect social programs on some level, but the ideas you guys have about running a business are absolutely naive.


Having run my OWN business for 15 years now, I agree...he can do whatever he likes.

But we get to call out BS when we see it. And bear in mind...I'm NOT a fan of Obamacare, OR Romneycare, which we've got here in Mass.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:10 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You mean, basic health insurance coverage right? Because that's all it is. It's not Obamacare. And as has already been pointed out, your friend seems to be somewhat deceitful.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:14 PM
If they could just get some power generators to the victims of Sandy that ran off of butthurt and then connected them to the fark threads from the past three days the amps would melt the cables and they'd be right back where they started nice solution
 
2012-11-08 05:03:57 PM

ciberido: BgJonson79: This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.

So if you're one of those three, that's fine?

Well, those 3 might be out of a job, but at least they can can take consolation in the knowledge that they can subtract a two-digit number from another two-digit number successfully.


As I explained a dozen times further up thread, I was assuming && and not ||.
 
2012-11-08 05:04:15 PM
Then let demand exceed supply and let someone else step in to fill the gap in the market.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:05 PM

Cybernetic: sdd2000: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well

It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.

Companies like Darden (headquartered here in Orlando, so this is one of their trial markets) are planning to have more employees who work fewer hours, specifically to reduce the impact of the "30 hours" rule. The "full time equivalent" rule hasn't happened yet, so companies are adapting to the law as written, and will adapt again if they necessary. They are doing this now in order to assess the effect on their business before the Obamacare rules are in full effect.

Companies have always altered their behavior in response to changes in the law, and I don't think that Obamacare will be any different in that regard.

Hypothetically, I can see how a business owner who has slightly more than 50 employees and does not provide insurance might look at laying off a few people to get under the 50-employee limit to avoid paying the fine. The fine is $2000 per employee, so the minimum fine is $100,000. For a company with 50 employees, laying off one employee to avoid a $100,000 penalty is mathematically a no-brainer. That one employee would have to bring in $100,000 profit--that's profit, not just revenue--per year, to offset the cost of the fine. It's likely that this hypothetical company would have at least one employee who is not contributing that much to the bottom line.

A company would have to be significantly above the 50-employee threshold (possibly 60+ emplo ...


You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:09 PM
I believe it is called follow through.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:34 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Bullshait

The only way Obamacare would cost him any more money would be..

1. He is not providing any healthcare for his employees right now.
2. He doesn't plan to.

Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:56 PM

Vectron: Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.

I just fired mine. The dog too.


You could always re-hire the dog as an independent security contractor so you won't have to pay his healthcare costs. Cats, however, just keep vacuum cleaners employed (and full of cat hair) so Fluffy would be out of luck.

/ has two cats, a Roomba and a Hoover
// loves the cats and the Roomba
/// the Hoover sucks, and not the way a vacuum cleaner is supposed to
//// slashie fest!
 
2012-11-08 05:07:00 PM

Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.


I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.
 
2012-11-08 05:07:06 PM

TheR0CK: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Bullshait

The only way Obamacare would cost him any more money would be..

1. He is not providing any healthcare for his employees right now.
2. He doesn't plan to.

Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.


But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.
 
2012-11-08 05:11:12 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

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That is pure awesome. I haven't Snoped it yet, but I hope it's true.
 
2012-11-08 05:11:35 PM

bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-08 05:12:02 PM

BgJonson79: But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.


Wal Mart. Buy poorly made trash at price point that doesn't put a penny in anybody's pockets but ours and pretend you Live Better®
 
2012-11-08 05:13:54 PM

This text is now purple: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


i1.kym-cdn.com

I don't want to interrupt your \/\/1ck3d kewl meme flow, or anything but, what the f*ck, in 25 words or less, is that supposed to mean as far as a reply? Seriously.
 
2012-11-08 05:13:57 PM

bunner: BgJonson79: But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.

Wal Mart. Buy poorly made trash at price point that doesn't put a penny in anybody's pockets but ours and pretend you Live Better®


I dunno, I got a perfectly good pair of pillows there that are made in the USA that I like, and most of the stuff in the toys or electronics dept is the same stuff sold everywhere else.

And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?
 
2012-11-08 05:14:19 PM

drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it


That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.
 
2012-11-08 05:14:57 PM

ristst: drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it

That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.


Glad your wife is okay and glad you have insurance! Sucks about the OOP though.
 
2012-11-08 05:16:17 PM

BgJonson79: And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?


I dunno. Shopping at places that actually puts capital receipts back into the domestic economy might be worth an extra buck or two of 96 no lead, in the long ball game.
 
2012-11-08 05:16:19 PM
Yeesssss...let your butthurt FLOW through you...
 
2012-11-08 05:16:55 PM

GranoblasticMan: Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.

Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.


I'd think that computer automation has even more to do with a shrinking workforce than PURELY the 1% being dicks. Half the people in one dept where I work can be replaced with a Perl script.
 
2012-11-08 05:17:01 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Also it doesn't go into full effect until 2014 so further calling BS on your CSB.
The parts in effect today are:

Cap on insurance company rate increases - currently in effect
Free preventive care for seniors - currently in effect
Donut hole closure for medicare - already started, will be complete by 2014

None of these would create any additional expesne for a business owner.

Remaining parts to be inacted in 2014:

No discrimination for pre-existing conditions - effective 2014
Patients Bill of Rights - phase in by 2014
Only those without health insurance will have to buy it. 1 % effect on the public - effective 2014 (Individual Mandate - upheld by Supreme Court)
Tax credit for small businesses

Damn shame people who don't have a clue about the law are against it.
Just goes to show how effective the propaganda has been against it.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:11 PM
the company I work for has grown 30% every year for the past five years. during that time we have invested around 2 million in equipment and workforce.

must be Obama's fault.

thank you Obama!
 
2012-11-08 05:19:51 PM

bunner: BgJonson79: And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?

I dunno. Shopping at places that actually puts capital receipts back into the domestic economy might be worth an extra buck or two of 96 no lead, in the long ball game.


And that is a perfectly reasonable thing to aim for. When I asked, I wasn't totally trolling, but I wanted to see if people would go for the long ball game, as you say.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:57 PM
Actions have consequences. Live with them.


// and enjoy your unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 05:20:17 PM

you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.


The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.
 
2012-11-08 05:23:22 PM

ristst: drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it

That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.


I'm not one of those fools that thinks I will never need health care, no matter what. I'm old enough to know that I'm not immortal and that my health will eventually begin to fail. For most of my adult life (I'm 35), I have gladly participated in company healthcare programs. A few times, for a year or two here and there, I've opted out. To save myself money, the company money, or both.

Now that they are attempting to take the choice away from me and force me to participate in the system, I am disgusted, and my disgust compels me to resist.

Best wishes to yourself and your family.
 
2012-11-08 05:23:23 PM

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that.


I will "do that" as soon as anyone in Washington has the balls to make a law about it. I'm sure the GOP will fight it tooth and nail.
 
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