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2012-11-08 03:43:28 PM  
Moo milk is hard to find.
Moo milk is hard to find.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:45 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.


Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:14 PM  

Dear Jerk: I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.


I think this is the most succinct and accurate criticism of the lament of these moron whiners.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM  
The only thing that is going to teach people is about Republicans.
 
2012-11-08 03:45:04 PM  
See! proof that Obama kills jobs!

/By way of shiathead Republicans
 
2012-11-08 03:45:56 PM  

superfudge73: I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?


This is the political equivalent to Lootie. If a white man is president, he was elected. If a homosexual-loving-Soshulist-Commuie-Marxist-atheist-Muslin BLACK man is president, he somehow got into the office.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:46 PM  

relcec:
in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


FARKIN REPUBLICAN MATH... HOW DOES IT WORK?!?!!!11!!1
 
2012-11-08 03:46:53 PM  

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?


Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:56 PM  

Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.


I just fired mine. The dog too.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:58 PM  

This text is now purple: NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.

None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.


Everything is a percentage ;) They also are adding taxes on medical devices (ie the more cool shiat device wise they come up with the better funded all these programs will be), some stuff about controlling prescription drug cost and many other things. I think the medicare/caid stuff really is meant to be the primary driver of lowering health care costs. I think the private insurers will following the government pay out schedules. They also are starting to really look at end of life care and the costs associated with it. I don't know what to tell you, insurance costs are a pretty big part of healthcare, and this should reduce them, it also reduced some of the other fundamental costs. Does it go far enough? Well shiat everytime they just want to think about maybe looking at end of life care fox news goes all death panel and it is impossible to discuss why health care costs so much in an intelligent manor. If you are pissed that health care isn't being reformed enough then take it up with the R's.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:04 PM  

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


Except--according to the "boss"--they're just a bunch of stupid mexicans that didn't understand his repeated attempts to "educate" them. They're probably too stupid to use a computer.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:39 PM  
Anyone who overstaffs their company by 20% is an idiot.

You should have been running leaner already, dumbass. Have fun in bankruptcy court.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:59 PM  

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


After you get back from the Gym, of course.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:02 PM  

give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.


Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:37 PM  

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


Dear FarkingReading,

Reading your post is like a dream come true. I would like to volunteer my services to participate in your upcoming Operation. I appreciate you are busy and look forward to receiving details when you have time. Sincere thanks.

/deadtom thank you for the TF!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:49:21 PM  

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.
 
2012-11-08 03:49:43 PM  
Time for someone to post the "Thanks Obama" cartoon I've seen here before.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:14 PM  
I was part of a mass lay off the day after Obama was first elected in 2008. Would have happened eventually anyway, as business and the economy in general had been sucking for months. But still, suspicious timing. My current job is also chock full of hardcore republicans so I came to work yesterday a tad worried.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:20 PM  
FarkingReading


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.


Let me guess. He has a union shop, he has a gov't contract and Obama exempted his employees union.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:39 PM  

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


I'm sure there's a million other explanations about why your comment is absurdly wrong, but I'll add another.

Even *if* your friend didn't purchase the equipment or hire 3 more people, he still hired people.

How? Well, if you are telling the truth, he instead spent that money on healthcare... which means that doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc. saw more money than *they* were expecting and had to hire additional help. Even if they didn't hire additional employees, *someone* got more money in their pocket, and that someone probably spent it on a good or service they wouldn't have without the money, and the person they bought it from spent it on another good or service they wouldn't have purchased... all the way down the line.

The only way someone wasn't hired or additional goods weren't purchased is if that money spent on healthcare went right back into a bank collecting dust or overseas to another country like China. But again, that means more people hired in China, which increases demand elsewhere.

So, yes, you and your friend have little to no understanding of basic economics.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM  
A guy who actually keeps his promises and still people are biatching. Typical.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM  
I would love to put this on my resume. Reason for termination: Obama got re-elected.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM  

MythDragon: JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.

That seems like a resonable response.


To do that they'll have to buy a gun first.

/and the Gun market is escalating faster than gold thanks to Obama.
/There's just no escaping the man.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:09 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


Awesome post!
 
2012-11-08 03:51:23 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


Great point. Apparently one consequence of this election is to weed out many of the idiots who should not be running their own companies.

Running a business means being flexible enough to deal with external factors like new competition and legislation. If a new policy enacted by the governement is putting you into a financial crisis, it's an indication that you didn't do a particularly good job of building your business.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:30 PM  

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Obamacare has not really even kicked in, not where it would affect him financially.

In short: this guy is just a dick.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:38 PM  

Headso: Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.


This.
 
2012-11-08 03:52:21 PM  

HAMMERTOE: GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!

Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.


This is a big pile of something that can be found in abundance on lots of family farms.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:28 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


... no

Right to work = you can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment
Work at will = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes, not withstanding any existing labor agreement.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:53 PM  

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


i think my neighbors heard me laughing at that. that is awesome.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:39 PM  

relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:44 PM  

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?

Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.


I thought we were talking about 17 or 20 people working at the same place with or without healthcare?
 
2012-11-08 03:54:55 PM  

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


Depends. Might you need them in the near term and are they hard to replace or train? If so, then you may keep them on in anticipation of future need. Now that the election has given him a clearer view of the road ahead, he knows they won't be needed and that carrying them anyway would just end up hurting his bottom line, so they're out. That's how business works. Unless you're a Solyndra, in which case you keep on doing what you're doing until you fail, then you stick the taxpayers with as much of the tab as you can arrange.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:07 PM  
Jacobin


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


Not ignorance, your reading comprehension is a little wanting. His friend's company already provides health insurance to its 17 workers. His premiums have increased as a result of provisions for Obamacare. Thus, more expense for same level of work, no expansion.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:17 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Even in case "b" the employee would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:40 PM  

teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?


It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:42 PM  

Flab: relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to ...


Or, he's choosing belief over profit. Isn't that what we're trying to encourage people to do?
 
2012-11-08 03:56:02 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

Even in case "b" the employee employer would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.


/FTFM
 
2012-11-08 03:56:04 PM  

relcec: PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.

I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.


...Well, that wasn't offensive or anything.

/I didn't know people actually said shiat like that anymore unless they were joking.
 
2012-11-08 03:57:49 PM  

drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."
 
2012-11-08 03:58:22 PM  

Vectron: Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.

I just fired mine. The dog too.


Whatever it takes to get below 50.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:09 PM  

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


"Teabilly farksticks" is going to be the name of my Toby Keith tribute band.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:22 PM  
The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:26 PM  

kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?
 
2012-11-08 03:59:39 PM  

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


Incense And Butthurt
Butthurt Woman
I Fought The Butthurt, And The Butthurt Won
Comfortably Butthurt
Friends In Butthurt Places
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Afternoon Butthurt
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2012-11-08 04:00:14 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You sir are a liar. I don't even need to mock you. Not even haha untrue, just boring typical uncreative conservative untrue. Yawn.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:39 PM  
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2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that for a while.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:41 PM  
In more ways than one:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-08 04:00:55 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.
 
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