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2012-11-08 04:00:55 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.
 
2012-11-08 04:01:49 PM  

Shmeat: The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.


But... money doesn't win elections. People win elections, and popular people get the most money. At least according to NPR's Marketplace ;-)
 
2012-11-08 04:01:57 PM  

GranoblasticMan: drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."


Chances of myself or anyone else in particular needing insurance are low. That's how it works. The healthy players subsidize the costs of the few that need it. I haven't missed the point, you just don't seem to understand how or why it works. You also entirely missed the point of the post, which is that it was my choice (agree or disagree with it) to participate in the market or not. In 2014 that choice is effectively taken away and becomes "participate or pay a fine" which is simply outrageous.

Maybe all the face-palming is causing some damage, go easy.
 
2012-11-08 04:02:28 PM  

Canned Tamales: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.


I was assuming && not ||.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:37 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Uh, I've seen the premiums go down about 10% and the average premium per month for each employee at my place of work is 264 dollars. What kind of insurance is your friend buying? He must be getting ripped the eff off.

/also, I work at a small company with only 20 employees
 
2012-11-08 04:03:39 PM  

Great_Milenko: timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home

if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.


Oh, yeah, probably. Not like 22 fewer of those would make a dent, but 114 might. Now I really hope that his entire business fails.

/sorry, folks, but there has to be a better way to make a living than snapping cards at me every three feet.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM  

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:08 PM  

drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....
 
2012-11-08 04:04:23 PM  
I personally know a doctor who said he's going to quit practicing medicine because of ObamaCare and then start cutting himself just so he can feel something.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:48 PM  

Flab



relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...

Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.



Where did the $300,000 amount come from and what is the guys gross margin.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:02 PM  
I had forgotten that Fark still had the capacity to shock me with stupidity.
There are actually multiple posters ITT who think this is real.
Jesus H Motherf**king Christ on a Pogo Stick.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:24 PM  
If this is true, and there are plenty of indications it's not, he probably runs a landscaping business and the 22 "mostly hispanic" people he 'fired' are actually a couple of pickup trucks full of illegals that he hires and lays off every day while paying them subsistent wages.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:30 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....


Woosh. The point sails clear over another ones head.
 
2012-11-08 04:06:20 PM  
I don't blame him.Damn libs had it coming!
 
2012-11-08 04:06:24 PM  
Four well-dressed men sitting together at a vacation resort.

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..
 
2012-11-08 04:06:37 PM  

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2012-11-08 04:07:34 PM  

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


Australia has a lower GDP per capita than the US does. Not sure where that dude is getting his facts. Also, demographics, check em out and wonder why the US is doing poorly in certain areas.....
 
2012-11-08 04:08:06 PM  
Oh yeah? I just hired 20 million zillion workers because Obama won. Now give me a news piece.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:13 PM  
He's probably a Freeper. They were all threatening to do this on election night because of course they're all job creators. There was one claiming that his company hired a "librul" a few months ago just so they could fire him if Obama won. They all thought it was a great idea!
 
2012-11-08 04:08:37 PM  

Dear Jerk: Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?


As a matter of fact, she was.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:42 PM  
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2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM


Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce

One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.


One of my "lefty" friends thinks all Conservatives are vampires who want to suck the life force out of all poor people and minorities. He really believes this.

It's crazy. I guess this is just how Liberals are.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:26 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


I gotta say, reminding people of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company is a great way to build support for Unions.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:59 PM  

Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.


So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?
 
2012-11-08 04:12:43 PM  

doubled99: kg2095 Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that fo ...


Factcheck:
CIA World Factbook has Australia's unemployment rate at 5.2% in 2010 and 5.1% in 2011.
Median household income is a bit off (A$66, 800), and the minimum wage is A$15.00/hour.
 
2012-11-08 04:12:47 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:23 PM  

tarheel07: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.


*filing, not firing. I need a beer.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:52 PM  
This is an Outrage!!!

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-08 04:14:38 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:20 PM  
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?
 
2012-11-08 04:15:27 PM  
D'oh! As of July 1, 2012 the Australian minimum wage was A$15.96.

Need to double-check my checks.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:53 PM  

Ashrams: This is an Outrage!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


We don't need no steenking batches.

/just watched that movie.
 
2012-11-08 04:17:31 PM  

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


As a republican who has voted Democrat every time since President Bush's first time I believe so, they really can't believe people spend more time fact checking and back-grounding the candidates over just watching the commercials and picking the one they would rather date or grab a good ol' brew with...
 
2012-11-08 04:17:56 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Are they really that divorced from reality?


Yes. Yes they are.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:16 PM  

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


Proof #3,968,727,321,968,746,341,897 that you're a goddam idiot.

Clearly we need more regulation to fight against this imaginary problem.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:45 PM  

mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.


It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.
 
2012-11-08 04:19:27 PM  

peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?


Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.
 
2012-11-08 04:20:13 PM  

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Joe the Plumber (who's not a plumber and not named Joe) will be joined by Bob the Builder, who's not named Bob and isn't a builder.
 
2012-11-08 04:21:04 PM  
The comment on that article are amazing in the amount of projection i'm seeing. They blame Obama for everything, even things their own party did.
 
2012-11-08 04:21:07 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


(If I may continue).

"..and I'm too stupid at math or completely uninformed because the ACA cutoff is at 50 employees working over 30hrs per week"
 
2012-11-08 04:21:13 PM  

Antimatter: peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?

Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.


Weird, Obama and the Dems controlled everything when he was first elected. How could the Republicans have stopped him?
 
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2012-11-08 04:22:03 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


You are confusing "right to work" with "employment at will." What you described is employment at will. "Right to work" is a rule in some states that basically prohibits union- exclusive shops where if someone wants to work there, they have to either join the union or pay union dues without joining the union.
This is a common misunderstanding.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:12 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to buy our own health insurance. It is about the dignity of providing for ourselves while generating economic activity. There are many sides to this issue. I do sympathize with you, and hope your business can manage through this initial stage. Prices will fall dramatically in the next few years just as they did when mandatory auto insurance became required in my state. As I stated earlier we received a nominal refund this year & have seen our costs decrease steadily. I would like to offer my most sincere thanks to you & everyone else out there who will be burdened by obamacare. It is because of your small sacrifices that we are able to remain self reliant, to have a business & to thrive. You are buying our dignity & as cheesy & phoney as that sounds it is the truth...

Thank you for indulging my need to speak to this issue.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:22 PM  

peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?



Wait, so now you WANTED Obama to close Gitmo? Jesus, this guy can't do anything right to you clowns. At least give him credit when he does something Republicans supported. Liberals don't need your concern. We'll file those complaints with our President, without your assistance. Thanks, though.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:28 PM  
*cough*BULLSH*T*cough*
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2012-11-08 04:23:49 PM  

BgJonson79: You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.

I was assuming && not ||.


I was hoping for :(O) not :x
 
2012-11-08 04:24:00 PM  

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.


No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
 
2012-11-08 04:24:10 PM  

faeriefay: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to ...


Your kindness and reasonableness clearly have you out of place on Fark, but it's wonderful to see :-D
 
2012-11-08 04:24:32 PM  

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

Um, no.

What you're describing is "at-will employment," which is what you are pretty much anywhere in the US if you don't have a contract. You can quit for any reason, and you can be fired for virtually any reason (including no reason at all).

"Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.
 
2012-11-08 04:25:17 PM  

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.


If he'll make more money by firing these people, why is he employing them?
 
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