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2012-11-08 03:30:27 PM

skullkrusher: Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.

*rolleyes*

/was a joke


I think his post may have been a joke too.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:42 PM

timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home


if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:45 PM

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:31:02 PM

cman: Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point


I swear to God, I thought turkeys could fly!

/link disappoints
 
2012-11-08 03:31:05 PM
Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:11 PM

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.
 
2012-11-08 03:31:22 PM

This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.


So if you're one of those three, that's fine?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:38 PM

BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


Your best subject was never math, was it?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:55 PM

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


That seems like a resonable response.
 
2012-11-08 03:32:12 PM

factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:29 PM

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:56 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours


It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!
 
2012-11-08 03:32:58 PM

BgJonson79: factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


OK Now, a train carrying 140 lbs of gelignite leaves Las Vegas travelling east at 62 miles per hour...
 
2012-11-08 03:33:02 PM

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:33:35 PM
The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.
 
2012-11-08 03:33:47 PM

stuhayes2010: I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?


Republicans are blaming Obama's victory on the Hispanic voters. I guess this fictional tale couldn't pass up a chance to get a dig in on them too.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:01 PM

semiotix: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.


Um no.

The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:12 PM

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)


Never! :-D
 
2012-11-08 03:34:29 PM
The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:31 PM
This guy's story sounds totally legit. People never get laid off for any reason other than OBAMA.

The newly unemployed people should write that down as the reason for their dismissal. Make sure it's all caps, so people know how strongly they feel about it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:58 PM

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


Like with farm subsidies!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:26 PM

loki see loki do: Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."


Uh, I hate to be a contrarian, but his friend was ALREADY providing insurance coverage for his employees. Obamacare expands the coverage that small plans must provide (i.e. coverage for layabout kids until 26, pre-existing conditions, etc) which has already impacted the increase in health insurance premiums.

40%? No, but some? Yep.

You both get cookies, and have to give them to me.

Love ya!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:32 PM

Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?


Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:36:18 PM
I just hired 22 people because I'm expecting more services will be required to clean up all those tears of bitterness let out by tea-party douches. I may hire another 22 nurses aides to support the need for all their obvious butthurt, too.
 
2012-11-08 03:36:21 PM

BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...


hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?
 
2012-11-08 03:36:29 PM

teeny: I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.


My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

Your concern is going to be painful too though, especially for any companies that decide to stand on principle, eat the fines, and force their employees to go insurance shopping on their own (or pay a fine themselves.)
 
2012-11-08 03:36:39 PM

Wellon Dowd: He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.


And she's a model.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:04 PM

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be making at least 120k a year. not many companies have that as the average salary. in short, you plainly don;t have any idea what you are talking about. the average premium per employee for an american company is probably closer to 6500 a year than whatever you had in mind.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:09 PM
I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:15 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


This! Do you libs understand how expensive it is now to fund a private team of commandos? Ever since Joe Biden started recruiting sexy, female bodyguards, the price that I pay for needed equipment like leather catsuits and stilletto boots has gone through the roof.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:16 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


If they were working for a living, it's quite possible.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:17 PM

HAMMERTOE: Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?

Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!


Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:18 PM

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Yeah, this. If you can't be right, be wrong as loudly and as often as possible and there are people out there stupid enough to believe you.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:34 PM

NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.


None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours

It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!


Solution, just change the definition in the law to be 25 hours per week.

A little-known section in the Obamacare health reform law defines "full-time" work as averaging only 30 hours per week, a definition that will affect some employers who utilize part-time workers to trim the cost of complying with the Obamacare rule that says businesses with 50 or more workers must provide health insurance or pay a fine.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:24 PM

Flab: BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...

hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?


My bad, I kept think 50 employees for some reason, in a small boutique firm, that kinda stuff.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:40 PM
He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:42 PM

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:47 PM

GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!


Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.
 
2012-11-08 03:39:22 PM
Is this guy gonna blather on for 24 minutes about how his Facebook friends aren't also firing their imaginary employees like that Butterscotch-Schnapps-dog-butt woman from the other day?

Can you fire people in FarmVille?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:35 PM

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.


In what ways?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:36 PM

Joe Blowme: Someone once said, elections have consequences.


-Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-11-08 03:40:40 PM

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


those 22 people are as fake as his company, so he'll remain safe in the bowels of his parent's home.
 
2012-11-08 03:40:41 PM

PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.


I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.
 
2012-11-08 03:41:25 PM

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


It's easy for you to PRETEND to be a business owner like you are doing. Your Farmville does not count. Since your profile shows no personal business info ,then your so called info is not worth the lying bag of shiat you voted for. IF you have a plus 1 million dollar insurance program for your "workers" then you must have 150 plus employees you pay 100% for. YOU are the 1% then ,asshole. Show your math
 
2012-11-08 03:41:52 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.
 
2012-11-08 03:42:54 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It'll cost more for businesses to hire and train new people to cover hours that can't be covered by sub-30 hour workers. So is there a net gain at all for the profit-at-all-costs-d!cks??
 
2012-11-08 03:43:08 PM

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


There's no hate like libe-,...

... I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:17 PM

drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.


wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?
 
2012-11-08 03:43:26 PM

Nightsweat: Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!

Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.


I get your point. And it's a fair one. But, not quite fair, because, all this is doing is shifting my premiums to the taxpayers, (and the obligatory chunk that the government confiscated off the top to grease its own wheels.)
 
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