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2012-11-08 12:18:12 PM
This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:35 PM
If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.  
 
2012-11-08 12:30:45 PM
Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.
 
2012-11-08 12:56:20 PM
So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 01:01:54 PM
Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.
 
2012-11-08 01:09:41 PM
"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons)

Coward.
 
2012-11-08 01:10:26 PM
Right to work state?
 
2012-11-08 01:13:23 PM
What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.
 
2012-11-08 01:20:44 PM

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.
 
2012-11-08 01:21:48 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


Only in height.
 
2012-11-08 01:22:16 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.

That makes me an evil man to think that, doesn't it?

Not as evil as this idiot, though.
 
2012-11-08 01:23:58 PM

edmo: Right to work state?


What does that have to do with anything?
 
2012-11-08 01:25:38 PM
Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.
 
2012-11-08 01:31:36 PM
I don't buy it. This smacks of Internet Tough Guy to me.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:07 PM
Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point
 
2012-11-08 02:50:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


Small business owners are unfailingly brilliant and honest in every way. Far more than us mortal men. He has no reason to lie.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:10 PM
Enjoy the torrent of joblessness that's sure to come.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:46 PM
So many are feeling butthurt.
 
2012-11-08 02:57:15 PM
Faaaake
 
2012-11-08 02:57:29 PM
p.twimg.com

EdNortonsTwin: Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


For what?? My Business MY RULES!!!
-12/10
 
2012-11-08 02:58:34 PM
LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.
 
2012-11-08 02:59:08 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?


Nice
 
2012-11-08 02:59:09 PM
My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce
 
2012-11-08 02:59:23 PM
Yeah, well I just hired 50 people for my company because I think things are moving in the right direction!

/So there!
 
2012-11-08 02:59:25 PM
Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home
 
2012-11-08 02:59:31 PM
He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.
 
2012-11-08 03:00:23 PM
Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.
 
2012-11-08 03:02:25 PM

Eddy Gurge


edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).
 
2012-11-08 03:02:41 PM
There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.

Then, everyone pointed and laughed at him when he confused taxable income with gross profits.
 
2012-11-08 03:02:49 PM
What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family
 
2012-11-08 03:03:18 PM
The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 03:03:35 PM
I believe that was a Butt Hurt Trolling Shill, a rather common species often spotted after an election.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:47 PM
Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:51 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Most of the obamacare stuff starts at 50 employees. Your dumbass friend needs an accountant or hr director that can read.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:55 PM

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


What the US has now bears little resemblance to a free market.

/Much like Stalin's Russia didn't look anything like communism.
/these layoffs were probably coming for some time, but the employer wants political action.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:56 PM

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.



You're assuming he even owns a business.


cman: Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point


Yep. Same with that "deer crossing" phone call that people are forwarding around now.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:15 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:31 PM
Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM
 
2012-11-08 03:04:33 PM

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Willful ignorance is well willful ignorance.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:40 PM
What a dick
 
2012-11-08 03:04:51 PM
Here's to this gentleman getting outed and receiving the scorn he so richly deserves.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:25 PM

Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Seriously?
 
2012-11-08 03:05:26 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes


Nope. You're confusing right to work with "at will". Totally different.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:27 PM
I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?
 
2012-11-08 03:05:29 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:49 PM
The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:50 PM

DjangoStonereaver: The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.


Lawn care in Vegas is actually pretty big. Given that it's hot as hell 33% of the time, and the ground itself is only a notch or two softer than granite, many people don't mess with their own lawns regardless of size. I see several crews in my small neighborhood on a daily basis.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:51 PM

Wook: You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....


I call bullshiat.
no one has ever in the history of the united states built a company from the ground up.
company's either spring forth directly from the roads and other infrastructure that these hard working but unsuccessful liberal farkers pay for with their earned income credits or are simply handed down from rich old white men that exploited slaves or serfs to create them.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:01 PM

NutWrench: Seriously?


Quite.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:26 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


David, from Vegas, is that you?
 
2012-11-08 03:06:28 PM
Done in two. What an asshat
 
2012-11-08 03:06:29 PM

Wook: He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Good. Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Next time, gripe about how building codes are preventing him from putting up that 10,000 sq ft lean-to with an extension cord running to it.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:39 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


True that. Good thing I am half Messican, which brings me up to 4/5ths of a white man. I get more privileges.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:51 PM
Say what you will about the guy but this is probably the only campaign promise that's kept.

/voted BO
// what? I'm fired?
 
2012-11-08 03:06:54 PM

NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?


yeah, seriously
 
2012-11-08 03:07:13 PM
I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:13 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Well, since the "your friend" has under 50 employees his company is not required to pay any fines. Also, since there are under 25 employees there are tax credits for offering insurance for the employees.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:29 PM

skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously


EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:31 PM
Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:39 PM

Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.


Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:11 PM
If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:14 PM
I guess "David" the plumber's business ain't doing so good.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:36 PM
Another self-proclaimed "job creator" who seems to have difficulty with the business concept of increasing volume and profits. Why do so many "job creators" have such a problem with profit creation? A tad weird eh?

But that is not what this is about. I would bet this clown has low paid workers that he maximizes in all sorts of ways and reaps the profits. At the point when he is confronted with treating workers like human beings, out come the Obama conspiracy theories and of course, there is an all too willing media waiting with a microphone in hand.

Maybe the guy has some real issues with cashflow. At the same time if one's business is dependent on scraping the bottom of the barrel just to stay afloat, it is a signal of a far larger problem than having to offer healthcare and treating people with respect.

This a$$ will land on his feet and I am sure has a plan in place. I would bet his little call to the radio station is less of a plea for help (if that is what it was supposed to be) and more of yet another pathetic attempt to blame Obama for his lack of business acumen.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:55 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:03 PM
I'm just laying here in bed, reading this article Bar to Refaeli. Oh, we're not together. This is strictly a physical thing.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:20 PM

relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state
 
2012-11-08 03:10:28 PM

Wook: jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.

Willful ignorance is well willful ignorance.


Bullshiat is bullshiat.

Anyone who knows anything about business knows this story is utter bullshiat.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:29 PM
ts2.mm.bing.net

What will republicans do with all their spare time?
 
2012-11-08 03:10:46 PM
Sounds almost trolly enough to be a lib doing the 'Republicans really are this stupid' stick.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:49 PM
Another example of the Brother man keeping whitey down, I'm sure.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:55 PM
I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?
 
2012-11-08 03:11:03 PM
Vegas employer follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins

He threatened to change his diet if Obama won?
 
2012-11-08 03:11:30 PM
I'm not sure what all you kids are talking about, because the guy owns the company: He can do whatever he pleases. Call him asinine, go ahead, he's got a company and you don't.

Seriously, I respect social programs on some level, but the ideas you guys have about running a business are absolutely naive.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:32 PM
I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:33 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


Or he runs narrow margins and the penalty is more affordable. but you be sure to whisper sweet nothings to that chicken while you keep farking it.
 
2012-11-08 03:12:15 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


i suspect your friend is going to pass on those Obamacare costs to his employees. just as they pay for whatever insurance coverage program they have right now, as well as medicare, medicaid and what 5-7 other deductibles that come out of a standard pay check. the great unwashed tax payer working slob takes it up the tail pipe cradle to grave. nothing new under the sun. could be worse, count your blessings. they don't have NASCAR and freedom of religion in a lot of countries. but i think your friend is blowing smoke up your keister.
 
2012-11-08 03:12:47 PM

bulldg4life: There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.



Are you sure you are telling that story correctly? Because in most situations the "lawyers'" advice is not accurate, ie., good luck getting a "tax deduction" for fully depreciated equipment.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:02 PM
I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:14 PM
His remaining employees are going to have to cover for the absence. I hope they are not on salary.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:22 PM

skullkrusher: relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.

that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state


I know what it means.
just putting the two Standford law review kids together.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:24 PM
If it's true, this is how revolutions start.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:24 PM

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins, by claiming he fired people, while not offering any proof he actually did.


There. Fixed.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:25 PM
I am thinking about buying a plumbing business that makes $250,000 a year, but if there are any taxes associated with income then I will just remain unemployed instead.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:35 PM
In short:

Deep!
 
2012-11-08 03:14:46 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link
 
2012-11-08 03:14:54 PM
This is the Emergency Bullshiat Alert System. This is not a test.

This story and the people featured in it are full of shiat.

This has been an announcement by the Emergency Bullshiat Alert System. Carry on.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:07 PM
So apparently since the election one actor found work thanks to Obama.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:16 PM

RyansPrivates: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins, by claiming he fired people, while not offering any proof he actually did.

There. Fixed.


Exactly. Show me a documented case and we'll talk.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:32 PM
Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: I am thinking about buying a plumbing business that makes $250,000 a year, but if there are any taxes associated with income then I will just remain unemployed instead.


Joe the Plumber? That bid for a govt job came up short I guess.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:55 PM

relcec: skullkrusher: relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.

that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state

I know what it means.
just putting the two Standford law review kids together.


o
 
2012-11-08 03:16:11 PM
"Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:43 PM

tripleseven: In short:

Deep!


Damn you auto correct...

Its actually funnier I suppose.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:43 PM
I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:47 PM
That's great I hired 44 people because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:53 PM

stuhayes2010: If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.


You said would twice.

Stop it.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:54 PM

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.


Bridge to sell you, I have.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:32 PM

Argyle82: 17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


Haha. Go yell that at a OWS demonstration.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:46 PM

Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


I had someone actually interested in buying a business from me the other day and they started talking about how they weren't sure what they wanted to do and may have to wait till after the election to figure out how to adjust the financials for Obamacare. There were like 20 employees. Jesus people educate yourself before you toss this shiat out there, it makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:58 PM
Maybe it was one of those businesses that cleaned out evicted homes..
 
2012-11-08 03:18:04 PM

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


State-run economics didn't work out so well for the Ukrainians ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:18:13 PM
I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.
 
2012-11-08 03:18:52 PM

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


No. It's the usual game of blaming everything on Obama whether or not he had anything to do with it. It's called shifting the blame.

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


And what would happen to one of his employees who got sick if he was allowed to keep on providing fake health insurance?

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


More likely the Tea Party.

skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM


And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:03 PM
He may be a troll, but he's getting support. It lowers my opinion of republicans.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:05 PM

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Your friend doesn't understand that any Obamacare related requirements and penalties don't kick in until 2014? Sounds like a pretty piss-poor business owner.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:17 PM
Perhaps there is no better thread than this to mention a recent relevant incident.

As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!", she wailed. "It's the end of the world. The end of the world!".

I was just trying to find the MOO milk, and then I found it, and turned to her and held up the carton, and smiled and said, "MOO milk!". (It's that really good local organic milk.) And she just stopped her depressive rambling rant cold and said, "Oh yeah, that's hard to find."

I knew she meant Obama. I just walked away.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:46 PM
I think he needs to taco nother look at what he did so spite the president.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:59 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


They were hispanic, so odds are good.
 
2012-11-08 03:20:09 PM
Sure he did. Mr. Snuggles, Muffin, Winky, Dr. Bobo and the rest of the stuffed animals were devastated, but he just couldn't afford to sew on any more button eyes or keep the doll hospital open any longer.
 
2012-11-08 03:20:19 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Um, no.

What you're describing is "at-will employment," which is what you are pretty much anywhere in the US if you don't have a contract. You can quit for any reason, and you can be fired for virtually any reason (including no reason at all).

"Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."
 
2012-11-08 03:20:29 PM

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


greatseaurchinceviche.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-08 03:20:45 PM

Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


Tell that to the 20.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:28 PM

factoryconnection: "Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.


be nice if we didn't have to get insurance through the good graces of our f*cking employers though now, wouldn't it?
it is a thoroughly shiat system, probably the very worst out of all the highly developed welfare nations in the world. what century is this?
maybe in the next universe over the u.s has it there, but now it isn't ever coming here.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:38 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:44 PM
Someone once said, elections have consequences.
 
2012-11-08 03:22:55 PM
I love how out of one side of his mouth he goes on and on about how he puts the well being of his employees ahead of his own and out of the other he is basically saying that his business comes first.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:09 PM

Coelacanth: The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.


This is brilliant. We can call them the Crawlspace Corps. Is there anywhere I can stream this?
 
2012-11-08 03:23:11 PM
Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:19 PM
I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:29 PM

Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt


Butthurt and Confused
 
2012-11-08 03:23:32 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Let me fix your lapel for you....there ya go.

Next time do a little homework before you just make shiat up.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:41 PM

Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


So you like unemployment?
 
2012-11-08 03:23:43 PM

GiantBat: Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.

Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.


Hate them both but so much this.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:52 PM

BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


You suck at teh maths.
 
2012-11-08 03:24:25 PM

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


He has proven this fact several times over. Every time this person speaks, stupidity reigns.
 
2012-11-08 03:24:59 PM
So for those of you keeping track at home, it's now:

Obamacare - 22
Global Economic Meltdown Caused By Mega-Banks Playing Fast And Loose With The Subprime Mortgage Markets: 2.6 million

We'll be right back after this brief message from Bank of America.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:00 PM

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.


In what way?
 
2012-11-08 03:25:02 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Agreed. Being called "ignorant" by you is something I am proud of.

I might've even made a button and wear it on my lapel but I'd have to explain it to people who didn't read this thread so I guess I won't bother. I guess "Anonymous internet jerk called me 'ignorna' for voting for Obama" might work.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:23 PM

mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.


Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:28 PM

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


If he's feeding his family with his business net profit, he's doing it wrong.
 
2012-11-08 03:26:23 PM

Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.


*rolleyes*

/was a joke
 
2012-11-08 03:26:23 PM

MmmmBacon: I don't buy it. This smacks of Internet Tough Guy to me.


This is what I was thinking while reading the article. I'm pretty sure that "David" doesn't own a business and is just out trolling reporters..
 
2012-11-08 03:26:59 PM
i wonder if someone would dig up the article of some guy's twitter feed threatening this. it had cc'd emails to his employees and everything. it was a few months ago and i thought for sure this was a followup based on the headline. might not be, but it popped into my head.
 
2012-11-08 03:27:43 PM

Vodka Zombie: Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.


Woah, dude, lay off the koolaid. You're exceeding your derp limit.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:01 PM
I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well
 
2012-11-08 03:28:16 PM
I hope karma does its work quickly and harshly on that guy.

And I hope the media captures it for my enjoyment.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:28 PM

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:51 PM

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


The big strong boot-strappy conservative is afraid to give his name? I seriously doubt this is real.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:59 PM

dabbletech: stuhayes2010: If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.

You said would twice.

Stop it.


"If Romney had won, obamacare would still have gone into effect."

Third conditional
 
2012-11-08 03:29:02 PM
What really put that interview into troll hyperdrive was claiming that most of his employees were Hispanic.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:25 PM
Well the good thing about B-Rock the Islamic Shock being re-elected? While the market has been tanking, my stock in Ruger rose 4 bucks a share!
 
2012-11-08 03:29:29 PM

way south: What the US has now bears little resemblance to a free market.


Don't bother.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:33 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."
 
2012-11-08 03:29:44 PM

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...
 
2012-11-08 03:29:48 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


Good thing you brought facts and figures to back up your baseless claim.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:49 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:57 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


So you have private flood insurance?
 
2012-11-08 03:29:59 PM

BgJonson79: In what way?


Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"
 
2012-11-08 03:30:25 PM

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:27 PM

skullkrusher: Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.

*rolleyes*

/was a joke


I think his post may have been a joke too.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:42 PM

timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home


if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:45 PM

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:31:02 PM

cman: Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point


I swear to God, I thought turkeys could fly!

/link disappoints
 
2012-11-08 03:31:05 PM
Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:11 PM

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.
 
2012-11-08 03:31:22 PM

This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.


So if you're one of those three, that's fine?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:38 PM

BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


Your best subject was never math, was it?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:55 PM

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


That seems like a resonable response.
 
2012-11-08 03:32:12 PM

factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:29 PM

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:56 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours


It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!
 
2012-11-08 03:32:58 PM

BgJonson79: factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


OK Now, a train carrying 140 lbs of gelignite leaves Las Vegas travelling east at 62 miles per hour...
 
2012-11-08 03:33:02 PM

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:33:35 PM
The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.
 
2012-11-08 03:33:47 PM

stuhayes2010: I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?


Republicans are blaming Obama's victory on the Hispanic voters. I guess this fictional tale couldn't pass up a chance to get a dig in on them too.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:01 PM

semiotix: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.


Um no.

The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:12 PM

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)


Never! :-D
 
2012-11-08 03:34:29 PM
The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:31 PM
This guy's story sounds totally legit. People never get laid off for any reason other than OBAMA.

The newly unemployed people should write that down as the reason for their dismissal. Make sure it's all caps, so people know how strongly they feel about it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:58 PM

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


Like with farm subsidies!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:26 PM

loki see loki do: Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."


Uh, I hate to be a contrarian, but his friend was ALREADY providing insurance coverage for his employees. Obamacare expands the coverage that small plans must provide (i.e. coverage for layabout kids until 26, pre-existing conditions, etc) which has already impacted the increase in health insurance premiums.

40%? No, but some? Yep.

You both get cookies, and have to give them to me.

Love ya!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:32 PM

Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?


Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:36:18 PM
I just hired 22 people because I'm expecting more services will be required to clean up all those tears of bitterness let out by tea-party douches. I may hire another 22 nurses aides to support the need for all their obvious butthurt, too.
 
2012-11-08 03:36:21 PM

BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...


hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?
 
2012-11-08 03:36:29 PM

teeny: I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.


My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

Your concern is going to be painful too though, especially for any companies that decide to stand on principle, eat the fines, and force their employees to go insurance shopping on their own (or pay a fine themselves.)
 
2012-11-08 03:36:39 PM

Wellon Dowd: He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.


And she's a model.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:04 PM

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be making at least 120k a year. not many companies have that as the average salary. in short, you plainly don;t have any idea what you are talking about. the average premium per employee for an american company is probably closer to 6500 a year than whatever you had in mind.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:09 PM
I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:15 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


This! Do you libs understand how expensive it is now to fund a private team of commandos? Ever since Joe Biden started recruiting sexy, female bodyguards, the price that I pay for needed equipment like leather catsuits and stilletto boots has gone through the roof.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:16 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


If they were working for a living, it's quite possible.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:17 PM

HAMMERTOE: Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?

Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!


Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:18 PM

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Yeah, this. If you can't be right, be wrong as loudly and as often as possible and there are people out there stupid enough to believe you.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:34 PM

NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.


None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours

It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!


Solution, just change the definition in the law to be 25 hours per week.

A little-known section in the Obamacare health reform law defines "full-time" work as averaging only 30 hours per week, a definition that will affect some employers who utilize part-time workers to trim the cost of complying with the Obamacare rule that says businesses with 50 or more workers must provide health insurance or pay a fine.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:24 PM

Flab: BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...

hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?


My bad, I kept think 50 employees for some reason, in a small boutique firm, that kinda stuff.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:40 PM
He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:42 PM

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:47 PM

GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!


Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.
 
2012-11-08 03:39:22 PM
Is this guy gonna blather on for 24 minutes about how his Facebook friends aren't also firing their imaginary employees like that Butterscotch-Schnapps-dog-butt woman from the other day?

Can you fire people in FarmVille?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:35 PM

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.


In what ways?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:36 PM

Joe Blowme: Someone once said, elections have consequences.


-Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-11-08 03:40:40 PM

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


those 22 people are as fake as his company, so he'll remain safe in the bowels of his parent's home.
 
2012-11-08 03:40:41 PM

PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.


I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.
 
2012-11-08 03:41:25 PM

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


It's easy for you to PRETEND to be a business owner like you are doing. Your Farmville does not count. Since your profile shows no personal business info ,then your so called info is not worth the lying bag of shiat you voted for. IF you have a plus 1 million dollar insurance program for your "workers" then you must have 150 plus employees you pay 100% for. YOU are the 1% then ,asshole. Show your math
 
2012-11-08 03:41:52 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.
 
2012-11-08 03:42:54 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It'll cost more for businesses to hire and train new people to cover hours that can't be covered by sub-30 hour workers. So is there a net gain at all for the profit-at-all-costs-d!cks??
 
2012-11-08 03:43:08 PM

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


There's no hate like libe-,...

... I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:17 PM

drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.


wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?
 
2012-11-08 03:43:26 PM

Nightsweat: Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!

Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.


I get your point. And it's a fair one. But, not quite fair, because, all this is doing is shifting my premiums to the taxpayers, (and the obligatory chunk that the government confiscated off the top to grease its own wheels.)
 
2012-11-08 03:43:28 PM
Moo milk is hard to find.
Moo milk is hard to find.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:45 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.


Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:14 PM

Dear Jerk: I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.


I think this is the most succinct and accurate criticism of the lament of these moron whiners.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

 

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM
The only thing that is going to teach people is about Republicans.
 
2012-11-08 03:45:04 PM
See! proof that Obama kills jobs!

/By way of shiathead Republicans
 
2012-11-08 03:45:56 PM

superfudge73: I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?


This is the political equivalent to Lootie. If a white man is president, he was elected. If a homosexual-loving-Soshulist-Commuie-Marxist-atheist-Muslin BLACK man is president, he somehow got into the office.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:46 PM

relcec:
in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


FARKIN REPUBLICAN MATH... HOW DOES IT WORK?!?!!!11!!1
 
2012-11-08 03:46:53 PM

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?


Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:56 PM

Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.


I just fired mine. The dog too.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:58 PM

This text is now purple: NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.

None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.


Everything is a percentage ;) They also are adding taxes on medical devices (ie the more cool shiat device wise they come up with the better funded all these programs will be), some stuff about controlling prescription drug cost and many other things. I think the medicare/caid stuff really is meant to be the primary driver of lowering health care costs. I think the private insurers will following the government pay out schedules. They also are starting to really look at end of life care and the costs associated with it. I don't know what to tell you, insurance costs are a pretty big part of healthcare, and this should reduce them, it also reduced some of the other fundamental costs. Does it go far enough? Well shiat everytime they just want to think about maybe looking at end of life care fox news goes all death panel and it is impossible to discuss why health care costs so much in an intelligent manor. If you are pissed that health care isn't being reformed enough then take it up with the R's.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:04 PM

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


Except--according to the "boss"--they're just a bunch of stupid mexicans that didn't understand his repeated attempts to "educate" them. They're probably too stupid to use a computer.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:39 PM
Anyone who overstaffs their company by 20% is an idiot.

You should have been running leaner already, dumbass. Have fun in bankruptcy court.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:59 PM

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


After you get back from the Gym, of course.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:02 PM

give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.


Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:37 PM

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


Dear FarkingReading,

Reading your post is like a dream come true. I would like to volunteer my services to participate in your upcoming Operation. I appreciate you are busy and look forward to receiving details when you have time. Sincere thanks.

/deadtom thank you for the TF!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:49:21 PM

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.
 
2012-11-08 03:49:43 PM
Time for someone to post the "Thanks Obama" cartoon I've seen here before.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:14 PM
I was part of a mass lay off the day after Obama was first elected in 2008. Would have happened eventually anyway, as business and the economy in general had been sucking for months. But still, suspicious timing. My current job is also chock full of hardcore republicans so I came to work yesterday a tad worried.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:20 PM
FarkingReading


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.


Let me guess. He has a union shop, he has a gov't contract and Obama exempted his employees union.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:39 PM

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


I'm sure there's a million other explanations about why your comment is absurdly wrong, but I'll add another.

Even *if* your friend didn't purchase the equipment or hire 3 more people, he still hired people.

How? Well, if you are telling the truth, he instead spent that money on healthcare... which means that doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc. saw more money than *they* were expecting and had to hire additional help. Even if they didn't hire additional employees, *someone* got more money in their pocket, and that someone probably spent it on a good or service they wouldn't have without the money, and the person they bought it from spent it on another good or service they wouldn't have purchased... all the way down the line.

The only way someone wasn't hired or additional goods weren't purchased is if that money spent on healthcare went right back into a bank collecting dust or overseas to another country like China. But again, that means more people hired in China, which increases demand elsewhere.

So, yes, you and your friend have little to no understanding of basic economics.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM
A guy who actually keeps his promises and still people are biatching. Typical.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM
I would love to put this on my resume. Reason for termination: Obama got re-elected.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM

MythDragon: JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.

That seems like a resonable response.


To do that they'll have to buy a gun first.

/and the Gun market is escalating faster than gold thanks to Obama.
/There's just no escaping the man.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:09 PM

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


Awesome post!
 
2012-11-08 03:51:23 PM

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


Great point. Apparently one consequence of this election is to weed out many of the idiots who should not be running their own companies.

Running a business means being flexible enough to deal with external factors like new competition and legislation. If a new policy enacted by the governement is putting you into a financial crisis, it's an indication that you didn't do a particularly good job of building your business.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:30 PM

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Obamacare has not really even kicked in, not where it would affect him financially.

In short: this guy is just a dick.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:38 PM

Headso: Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.


This.
 
2012-11-08 03:52:21 PM

HAMMERTOE: GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!

Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.


This is a big pile of something that can be found in abundance on lots of family farms.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:28 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


... no

Right to work = you can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment
Work at will = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes, not withstanding any existing labor agreement.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:53 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


i think my neighbors heard me laughing at that. that is awesome.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:39 PM

relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:44 PM

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?

Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.


I thought we were talking about 17 or 20 people working at the same place with or without healthcare?
 
2012-11-08 03:54:55 PM

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


Depends. Might you need them in the near term and are they hard to replace or train? If so, then you may keep them on in anticipation of future need. Now that the election has given him a clearer view of the road ahead, he knows they won't be needed and that carrying them anyway would just end up hurting his bottom line, so they're out. That's how business works. Unless you're a Solyndra, in which case you keep on doing what you're doing until you fail, then you stick the taxpayers with as much of the tab as you can arrange.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:07 PM
Jacobin


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


Not ignorance, your reading comprehension is a little wanting. His friend's company already provides health insurance to its 17 workers. His premiums have increased as a result of provisions for Obamacare. Thus, more expense for same level of work, no expansion.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:17 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Even in case "b" the employee would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:40 PM

teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?


It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:42 PM

Flab: relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to ...


Or, he's choosing belief over profit. Isn't that what we're trying to encourage people to do?
 
2012-11-08 03:56:02 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

Even in case "b" the employee employer would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.


/FTFM
 
2012-11-08 03:56:04 PM

relcec: PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.

I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.


...Well, that wasn't offensive or anything.

/I didn't know people actually said shiat like that anymore unless they were joking.
 
2012-11-08 03:57:49 PM

drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."
 
2012-11-08 03:58:22 PM

Vectron: Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.

I just fired mine. The dog too.


Whatever it takes to get below 50.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:09 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


"Teabilly farksticks" is going to be the name of my Toby Keith tribute band.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:22 PM
The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:26 PM

kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?
 
2012-11-08 03:59:39 PM

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


Incense And Butthurt
Butthurt Woman
I Fought The Butthurt, And The Butthurt Won
Comfortably Butthurt
Friends In Butthurt Places
House Of Butthurt
Who'll Stop the Butthurt
Afternoon Butthurt
Butthurt in The Sky
 
2012-11-08 04:00:14 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You sir are a liar. I don't even need to mock you. Not even haha untrue, just boring typical uncreative conservative untrue. Yawn.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:39 PM
kg2095 Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.




Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that for a while.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:41 PM
In more ways than one:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-08 04:00:55 PM

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.
 
2012-11-08 04:01:49 PM

Shmeat: The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.


But... money doesn't win elections. People win elections, and popular people get the most money. At least according to NPR's Marketplace ;-)
 
2012-11-08 04:01:57 PM

GranoblasticMan: drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."


Chances of myself or anyone else in particular needing insurance are low. That's how it works. The healthy players subsidize the costs of the few that need it. I haven't missed the point, you just don't seem to understand how or why it works. You also entirely missed the point of the post, which is that it was my choice (agree or disagree with it) to participate in the market or not. In 2014 that choice is effectively taken away and becomes "participate or pay a fine" which is simply outrageous.

Maybe all the face-palming is causing some damage, go easy.
 
2012-11-08 04:02:28 PM

Canned Tamales: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.


I was assuming && not ||.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:37 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Uh, I've seen the premiums go down about 10% and the average premium per month for each employee at my place of work is 264 dollars. What kind of insurance is your friend buying? He must be getting ripped the eff off.

/also, I work at a small company with only 20 employees
 
2012-11-08 04:03:39 PM

Great_Milenko: timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home

if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.


Oh, yeah, probably. Not like 22 fewer of those would make a dent, but 114 might. Now I really hope that his entire business fails.

/sorry, folks, but there has to be a better way to make a living than snapping cards at me every three feet.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:08 PM

drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....
 
2012-11-08 04:04:23 PM
I personally know a doctor who said he's going to quit practicing medicine because of ObamaCare and then start cutting himself just so he can feel something.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:48 PM

Flab



relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...

Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.



Where did the $300,000 amount come from and what is the guys gross margin.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:02 PM
I had forgotten that Fark still had the capacity to shock me with stupidity.
There are actually multiple posters ITT who think this is real.
Jesus H Motherf**king Christ on a Pogo Stick.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:24 PM
If this is true, and there are plenty of indications it's not, he probably runs a landscaping business and the 22 "mostly hispanic" people he 'fired' are actually a couple of pickup trucks full of illegals that he hires and lays off every day while paying them subsistent wages.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:30 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....


Woosh. The point sails clear over another ones head.
 
2012-11-08 04:06:20 PM
I don't blame him.Damn libs had it coming!
 
2012-11-08 04:06:24 PM
Four well-dressed men sitting together at a vacation resort.

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..
 
2012-11-08 04:06:37 PM

Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt


Keep On Rockin' Butthurt In The Freeworld
Norweigan Butthurt
Same Old Song and Butthurt
Cheeseburger In Butthurt
Dark Side Of The Butthurt
Ace Of Butthurt
Butthurt Calling
Butthurt By The Dashboard Light
Freebutthurt
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Du Butthurt
Eighteen and Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 04:07:34 PM

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


Australia has a lower GDP per capita than the US does. Not sure where that dude is getting his facts. Also, demographics, check em out and wonder why the US is doing poorly in certain areas.....
 
2012-11-08 04:08:06 PM
Oh yeah? I just hired 20 million zillion workers because Obama won. Now give me a news piece.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:13 PM
He's probably a Freeper. They were all threatening to do this on election night because of course they're all job creators. There was one claiming that his company hired a "librul" a few months ago just so they could fire him if Obama won. They all thought it was a great idea!
 
2012-11-08 04:08:37 PM

Dear Jerk: Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?


As a matter of fact, she was.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:42 PM
Fark In The Duck Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM


Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce

One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.




One of my "lefty" friends thinks all Conservatives are vampires who want to suck the life force out of all poor people and minorities. He really believes this.

It's crazy. I guess this is just how Liberals are.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:26 PM

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


I gotta say, reminding people of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company is a great way to build support for Unions.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:59 PM

Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.


So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?
 
2012-11-08 04:12:43 PM

doubled99: kg2095 Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.



Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that fo ...


Factcheck:
CIA World Factbook has Australia's unemployment rate at 5.2% in 2010 and 5.1% in 2011.
Median household income is a bit off (A$66, 800), and the minimum wage is A$15.00/hour.
 
2012-11-08 04:12:47 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:23 PM

tarheel07: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.


*filing, not firing. I need a beer.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:52 PM
This is an Outrage!!!

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-08 04:14:38 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:20 PM
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?
 
2012-11-08 04:15:27 PM
D'oh! As of July 1, 2012 the Australian minimum wage was A$15.96.

Need to double-check my checks.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:53 PM

Ashrams: This is an Outrage!!!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


We don't need no steenking batches.

/just watched that movie.
 
2012-11-08 04:17:31 PM

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


As a republican who has voted Democrat every time since President Bush's first time I believe so, they really can't believe people spend more time fact checking and back-grounding the candidates over just watching the commercials and picking the one they would rather date or grab a good ol' brew with...
 
2012-11-08 04:17:56 PM

HAMMERTOE: Are they really that divorced from reality?


Yes. Yes they are.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:16 PM

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


Proof #3,968,727,321,968,746,341,897 that you're a goddam idiot.

Clearly we need more regulation to fight against this imaginary problem.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:45 PM

mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.


It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.
 
2012-11-08 04:19:27 PM

peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?


Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.
 
2012-11-08 04:20:13 PM

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Joe the Plumber (who's not a plumber and not named Joe) will be joined by Bob the Builder, who's not named Bob and isn't a builder.
 
2012-11-08 04:21:04 PM
The comment on that article are amazing in the amount of projection i'm seeing. They blame Obama for everything, even things their own party did.
 
2012-11-08 04:21:07 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


(If I may continue).

"..and I'm too stupid at math or completely uninformed because the ACA cutoff is at 50 employees working over 30hrs per week"
 
2012-11-08 04:21:13 PM

Antimatter: peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?

Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.


Weird, Obama and the Dems controlled everything when he was first elected. How could the Republicans have stopped him?
 
2012-11-08 04:21:41 PM

Skarekrough: Norweigan Butthurt


luls

Ice Ice Butthurt
Brown Eyed Butthurt
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Butthurt Band
The Great Butthurt In The Sky
It's My Butthurt (I'll cry if i want to)
Wherever I May Butthurt
Into The Butthurt
Stairway To Butthurt
Lucy In the Sky With Butthurt
Baby Got Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 04:22:03 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


You are confusing "right to work" with "employment at will." What you described is employment at will. "Right to work" is a rule in some states that basically prohibits union- exclusive shops where if someone wants to work there, they have to either join the union or pay union dues without joining the union.
This is a common misunderstanding.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:12 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to buy our own health insurance. It is about the dignity of providing for ourselves while generating economic activity. There are many sides to this issue. I do sympathize with you, and hope your business can manage through this initial stage. Prices will fall dramatically in the next few years just as they did when mandatory auto insurance became required in my state. As I stated earlier we received a nominal refund this year & have seen our costs decrease steadily. I would like to offer my most sincere thanks to you & everyone else out there who will be burdened by obamacare. It is because of your small sacrifices that we are able to remain self reliant, to have a business & to thrive. You are buying our dignity & as cheesy & phoney as that sounds it is the truth...

Thank you for indulging my need to speak to this issue.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:22 PM

peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?



Wait, so now you WANTED Obama to close Gitmo? Jesus, this guy can't do anything right to you clowns. At least give him credit when he does something Republicans supported. Liberals don't need your concern. We'll file those complaints with our President, without your assistance. Thanks, though.
 
2012-11-08 04:22:28 PM
*cough*BULLSH*T*cough*
imageshack.us
 
2012-11-08 04:23:49 PM

BgJonson79: You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.

I was assuming && not ||.


I was hoping for :(O) not :x
 
2012-11-08 04:24:00 PM

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.


No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
 
2012-11-08 04:24:10 PM

faeriefay: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to ...


Your kindness and reasonableness clearly have you out of place on Fark, but it's wonderful to see :-D
 
2012-11-08 04:24:32 PM

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

Um, no.

What you're describing is "at-will employment," which is what you are pretty much anywhere in the US if you don't have a contract. You can quit for any reason, and you can be fired for virtually any reason (including no reason at all).

"Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.
 
2012-11-08 04:25:17 PM

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.


If he'll make more money by firing these people, why is he employing them?
 
2012-11-08 04:25:35 PM
Obama owns the economy now, for better or for worse.

8% unemployment is, historically, very high. but if that is what people want, they can get it by the barrel -full.

/employed guy
 
2012-11-08 04:25:56 PM

you have pee hands: Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.

No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.


I think patent trolls are worse. Even insurance pays out once in a while ;-)
 
2012-11-08 04:27:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


He's probably the guy that hired all those people to hand out sexy cards to people as they walk down the strip.

over the last weekend in October my wife and I collected 122 different cards soliciting escort services. Only 14 duplicates. And that was really just walking between the Venitian and New York New York
 
2012-11-08 04:27:55 PM
I'll just leave this here for future reference:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-08 04:28:21 PM

captnwolfy: Joe Blowme: Someone once said, elections have consequences.

-Abraham Lincoln


Lincoln gets credit for saying the most basic stuff.

'How are ya?' -Abraham Lincoln',
'My dad's a great guy' -Abraham Lincoln'
'Well, we already bought the tickets.' -Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-11-08 04:29:08 PM

sdd2000: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well

It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.


Companies like Darden (headquartered here in Orlando, so this is one of their trial markets) are planning to have more employees who work fewer hours, specifically to reduce the impact of the "30 hours" rule. The "full time equivalent" rule hasn't happened yet, so companies are adapting to the law as written, and will adapt again if they necessary. They are doing this now in order to assess the effect on their business before the Obamacare rules are in full effect.

Companies have always altered their behavior in response to changes in the law, and I don't think that Obamacare will be any different in that regard.

Hypothetically, I can see how a business owner who has slightly more than 50 employees and does not provide insurance might look at laying off a few people to get under the 50-employee limit to avoid paying the fine. The fine is $2000 per employee, so the minimum fine is $100,000. For a company with 50 employees, laying off one employee to avoid a $100,000 penalty is mathematically a no-brainer. That one employee would have to bring in $100,000 profit--that's profit, not just revenue--per year, to offset the cost of the fine. It's likely that this hypothetical company would have at least one employee who is not contributing that much to the bottom line.

A company would have to be significantly above the 50-employee threshold (possibly 60+ employees) before the layoff would have enough of an impact on sales and productivity to make it counter-productive.
 
2012-11-08 04:29:24 PM
...More like vague-us employer, amirite?
 
2012-11-08 04:29:56 PM

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


No, it has made health care more affordable. If, you have an actual SMALL business. We got a refund on our premiums this year & have seen a steady decline in cost. You may not know this but before Obama care if you had ANY kind of pre-existing condition you could not buy health insurance for ANY price.
 
2012-11-08 04:30:12 PM
If his margins are that thin, he's not very good at business.

/running a business is hard
//biatching like a whine little victim is easy
 
2012-11-08 04:30:15 PM

KrispyKritter: FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.

Dear FarkingReading,

Reading your post is like a dream come true. I would like to volunteer my services to participate in your upcoming Operation. I appreciate you are busy and look forward to receiving details when you have time. Sincere thanks.

/deadtom thank you for the TF!!!


I'm sorry you missed it. We just completed our plan. But you won't hear about this mass murder because librul lamestream.
 
2012-11-08 04:30:21 PM
Building a business 20 years ago is not like building a business today. Times change.
 
2012-11-08 04:30:51 PM
I suspect his business is the same a Joe the Plumber ... bullshiat.
 
2012-11-08 04:31:10 PM

ChipNASA: I'll just leave this here for future reference:

[i.imgur.com image 504x360]


...and every imaginary thing bad that doesn't happen is also Obama's fault.

I mean I bought a gun over the weekend and Wednesday they came and took it from me. Well they were gonna at least but probably something came up so they'll be here tomorrow.
 
2012-11-08 04:31:11 PM
I have seen the worst minds of my generation destroyed by butthurt............
 
2012-11-08 04:31:32 PM
Rick Harrison is firing Chum Lee and his other employees??
 
2012-11-08 04:32:04 PM

faeriefay: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

No, it has made health care more affordable. If, you have an actual SMALL business. We got a refund on our premiums this year & have seen a steady decline in cost. You may not know this but before Obama care if you had ANY kind of pre-existing condition you could not buy health insurance for ANY price.


What state are you in, ma'am? Before the ACA, New Hampshire prohibited discrimination based on pre-existing conditions.
 
2012-11-08 04:32:34 PM

faeriefay: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Our small business got a refund on our health care because of Obamacare. Are you really a small business? And please, I am not intending to be a snark, I am truely curious. I think the term small business needs to be more clearly defined. I know that our costs will increase next year as we will need to offer health care to our 2 employees, only one is currently on the health plan. On the flip side, obamacare has allowed for both my husband and I to be insured at any cost. We both have pre-existing conditions he diabetes, myself MS. Since the implementation of the healthcare plan the cost of our coverage went from not available @ any price to $2500 for us both to 1500 for 3 persons (employee) to 900 for the same 3 persons. Without Obama care my husband would have eventually gone into renal failure & our business would go bankrupt, as it is kinda hard to work when you are slowly being poisoned by your own wastes or if you are lucky, on dialysis for up to 8 hours / day 3 - 4 days / week. Without income he could not support me & my health care needs and our society (the tax payers) would be burdened with two more disabled individuals rendered utterly reliant on welfare. Two individuals who could have supported themselves & contributed to the overall economic health of our nation, if only they were provided access to reasonably priced quality health care. It's not about getting something for free at least not for us. For us it is the privilege of being able to buy ...



That was a much more thoughtful response than he deserved. Thank you for sharing. GOD bless.
 
2012-11-08 04:32:42 PM

orbister: GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

If he'll make more money by firing these people, why is he employing them?


Because he's a clerk in a UPS shipping warehouse, and has never hired or fired anyone in his life.
 
2012-11-08 04:32:55 PM

ChipNASA: I'll just leave this here for future reference:

[i.imgur.com image 504x360]


You'll get over it.

/actually you won't
 
2012-11-08 04:32:59 PM

ChipNASA: I'll just leave this here for future reference:

[i.imgur.com image 504x360]


That gif is more badass when coupled with the Atmosphere coming from my desktop speakers
 
2012-11-08 04:33:13 PM

Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built my savings back up (working on a house downpayment, 20% or bust), and then the layoff gremlin struck, and I dipped into it again until I got another job and started filling it back up.
 
2012-11-08 04:35:29 PM

drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014


Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

/european
//optional health cover is a weird idea
 
2012-11-08 04:35:30 PM

drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built my sa ...


Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.
 
2012-11-08 04:35:41 PM
Okay...I get that as part of Obamacare employers must provide healthcare to their employees under certain conditions.

Does Obamacare say the employer cannot pass the entire cost of the plan onto the employee?
 
2012-11-08 04:35:56 PM

skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM


Sad Romney supporters are probably lining up at your door, then. Listen, I know a LOT of old white people, what kind of commission do you pay on sales?
 
2012-11-08 04:36:12 PM
Landscaping company...?
 
2012-11-08 04:36:12 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Oh look, another lying piece of republican garbage, shocking. Your "friend".was not going to be effected in anyway by obamacare you morally bankrupt prevaricator. You idiots think telling such transparent lies are going to somehow scare americans into doing what exactly? You've already got the pants pissing coward vote tired up, maybe you should aim for a different bloc. I hear 6 year olds are susceptible top youre kind of stupid and dishonest narrative.
 
2012-11-08 04:36:16 PM

BSABSVR: CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.

They were hispanic imaginary, so odds are good they couldn't have any actual political affiliations.


Fixed.
 
2012-11-08 04:36:37 PM
Can't have a SOCIety without a little SOCIalism ...
 
2012-11-08 04:37:00 PM
Isn't this when the voter intimidation lawsuit starts? or a lawsuit about the layoffs? Or is Vegas a state where employees don't have those kind of rights?
 
2012-11-08 04:37:07 PM

ChipNASA: I'll just leave this here for future reference:

[i.imgur.com image 504x360]


Yes, leave that there and it will be waiting for you in 2016 when you get back from Australia.
 
2012-11-08 04:38:20 PM

ShawnDoc: HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.

Only in height.


As a 6'2" latino, I laughed...
 
2012-11-08 04:38:25 PM

orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

/european
//optional health cover is a weird idea


Freedom to fail is the ultimate freedom!
 
2012-11-08 04:38:28 PM
Meh. Obama inspired me, a small business owner, to become a large business owner. As a direct result of his re-election, I will be doubling my staff from 110 employees to 220 employees. These aren't minimum wage, under the table positions filled by illegals hired for the day from HomeDepot's parking lot. No, these are high paying jobs with good benefits that will help make my community a better place to live. Elections have consequences, and Romney's support of vulture capitalists and rockstar CEOs while giving lip service to real capitalists would have crushed my growing business.

/Not a business owner. Lying, how does it work?
 
2012-11-08 04:38:41 PM
One more on the "this dud is a moron" pile.

I run a small company with about 25 employees. We have not laid anyone off for any reason other than lack of work (the last time that happened was 2010). We have not hired many people either. Our guys would rather work OT than split the new work with new guys.

It would be cool to know what line of work this guy was in...if it is our field I would want to send my salesman out to call on his clients.
 
2012-11-08 04:39:22 PM

Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built ...


That's the problem, isn't it? The degree of individual freedom we'd have to give up for universal healthcare.
 
2012-11-08 04:41:08 PM

you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.

And would actually be cheaper than it has been.
 
2012-11-08 04:42:00 PM

Cheviot: Okay...I get that as part of Obamacare employers must provide healthcare to their employees under certain conditions.

Does Obamacare say the employer cannot pass the entire cost of the plan onto the employee?


No, though I suppose if you're paying minimum wage or close to the minimum you couldn't. But most of those people would qualify for medicaid anyway.
 
2012-11-08 04:42:01 PM
"I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that made sure they were paid."

Um, if your employees do work for you at an agreed on rate, you legally have to pay them. How nice of you do follow through on your legal obligations.

Here is the thing- if you need labor and labor has a set cost you can either hire the labor and pass the cost on to your customers or not hire the labor and do less business. If a single employer in a field pays for his employees health care, he'll be priced out of the market. If all the employers have to pay, they'll all raise their prices accordingly, and the balance will be kept. If you add too much drag you can trigger inflation or drag on the economy, but health care isn't likely to do it. Healthy employees show up more often, work better and cost you less in lost labor, and ultimately even if your labor costs go up a little other costs are likely to go down. Health care costs are a major driver of bankruptcy for individuals. Bankruptcy costs money to the whole economy- your customers down the pipeline, your bank, which will in turn charge you higher interest when you take out a loan...
 
2012-11-08 04:42:12 PM

NickelP: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Most of the obamacare stuff starts at 50 employees. Your dumbass friend needs an accountant or hr director that can read.


Either that or he needs to stop lying.
So many people invent pure bullshiat to try and "prove" how awful the things they don't like are -- no matter how little they know about them.
 
2012-11-08 04:42:32 PM
Yup, this is their new thing. Free Republic is full of articles talking about layoffs and job losses, even ones that were announced before the elections. For the next 4 years, every time someone loses their job, it will be Obama's fault. Republicans remain divorced from facts.
 
2012-11-08 04:42:37 PM
Read the comments in the original article. WOW, is the derp strong with that station. Did Fox buy a CBS affiliate in Vegas?
 
2012-11-08 04:42:41 PM

TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.


Even if it's not, some people wouldn't paying paying a little extra to help those who haven't been quite as lucky.
 
2012-11-08 04:44:03 PM

Thunderpipes: mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.

It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.


We tried for Single Payer and the GOP wouldn't hear of it. Obamacare is a bastardized mess because of Republican idiocy. But, its less expensive than the costs of Emergency Care. Or does a humanitarian such as yourself advocate for people die in the streets?
 
2012-11-08 04:44:16 PM

bulldg4life: There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.

Then, everyone pointed and laughed at him when he confused taxable income with gross profits.


You do realize that "tax deductible" does not equal "free", right? Even to a business.

/Didn't read the thread
// Guy still may have been an idiot
 
2012-11-08 04:44:49 PM
www.slate.com

This is David Siegel the "Time Share" king who "starred" in "The Queen of Versailles"

His empire took a huge hit in 2008 when he lost access to all the cheap money.
He has been laying off people ever since, he lost his massive Time Shares in Vegas to the banks
He was blabbing on and on mid October about how he was going to fire people if Obama got re-elected. 

The movie is a hoot. He keeps thinking everything will be all right, all he as to do is "find $400 million". 
This is a guy who had a 26K sq ft home for him and his wife and 7 kids and no mortgage, but he decided to build a 90K sq ft home. Despite having no mortgage on his home, he could not sit there with an "asset" that was not "leveraged" so he apparently took out a second mortgage on the place and dumped the money into his business.

Nice going dickhead.
 
2012-11-08 04:44:54 PM

drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.



or both...
 
2012-11-08 04:46:21 PM

TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.


Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.
 
2012-11-08 04:46:45 PM
"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that "elections have consequences" and that "at the end of the day, I need to survive."

Anonymous because he is lying. I call bullshiat. Firing 22 employees would be also very noticable no matter how anonymous you want to be if you appear in an article bragging about it. Also put me in with the person on here who stated if you had 22 employees on your payroll that you could easily fire with no harm done to the business's product or service, then those 22 employees were not needed and you are a terrible business person.
 
2012-11-08 04:46:48 PM

This text is now purple: 17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.


Sounds more like three people are being spared from suffering a shiatty boss.
 
2012-11-08 04:47:26 PM

jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.


If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.
 
2012-11-08 04:47:37 PM
It's only just begun
 
2012-11-08 04:49:54 PM

Boeheimian Rhapsody: scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.

He's probably the guy that hired all those people to hand out sexy cards to people as they walk down the strip.

over the last weekend in October my wife and I collected 122 different cards soliciting escort services. Only 14 duplicates. And that was really just walking between the Venitian and New York New York


Ohh the Prosti-Playing cards! I've got a stack of them at home from my last time in Vegas. My buddies and I would play the old "War" game with em, but instead of numbers, their price and deals were the values. Also clothed ones were worth less than nude/censored ones, and two-fers/twins beat everyone.
 
2012-11-08 04:50:28 PM
Oh yeah? Well I fired 100 people!

What? No, of course I won't tell you my name, the name of my business, nor even what industry I'm in.
 
2012-11-08 04:51:15 PM

BgJonson79: jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.

If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.


Wouldn't surprise me, but I wanted to be....snert....conservative.
 
2012-11-08 04:52:32 PM

jasimo: BgJonson79: jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.

If there is another democrat in the WH in 2017, I bet it'll show up within eight years.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I wanted to be....snert....conservative.


Don't forget to tip your server!
 
2012-11-08 04:52:37 PM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-08 04:52:46 PM

orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past. Everything from the cold to a broken arm. I know I'm not immortal and that I don't have an infallible immune system, and I budget accordingly.

In the mean time, the 99.9% of the time that I'm not sick or injured, that money is sitting in my bank (well, credit union) account, earning me money. Hooray!


Tigger: drop: Phins: drop:
Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.

Derp harder.
 
2012-11-08 04:53:48 PM

way south: MythDragon: JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.

That seems like a resonable response.

To do that they'll have to buy a gun first.

/and the Gun market is escalating faster than gold thanks to Obama.
/There's just no escaping the man.


My stock in Ruger went up 4 bucks today! (I bought in immediatly after the re-election). Thanks FartBongo!
 
2012-11-08 04:54:47 PM
I am owner of a small appliance repair business. There are six of us, all family. Not too sure how the changes will affect us. Would rather have personal control regarding health care, but we will follow the new rules as they roll in.

I will hand down the company to be run by the kids in a few years, then my wife and I will retire, hop in the motor home, and go play. To our kids and all you farkers: I hope you all are able to keep your jobs and live well while your tax dollars make life comfortable for my wife and me. I really hope that you are all able to find and keep high paying jobs and that the economy holds out, as that allows me and the wife to pull our social security and the medicare for decades to come. Every day that you go to work, just keep in mind that my wife and I are counting on you to make our easy life possible. We both thank you in advance from the bottom of our Grand Canyon, Hoover Dam, Appalachian Trail, Statue of Liberty, Great Lakes, Big Bend, Key West adventurous hearts.

Go Obama go!
 
2012-11-08 04:55:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


Someone should call into the same station, anonymously, of course, and say that they just hired 23 people because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 04:57:32 PM
FTFA - Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic - I'm not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees - well unfortunately we know what happened and I can't wait around anymore, I have to be proactive.


And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?
 
2012-11-08 04:58:07 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Your "troll" has proved successful.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:21 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Either he's lying, or you are. I'm not a fan of it, but Obamacare, for good or ill, doesn't even kick in for more than a year.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:54 PM
I actually fired 20 people today but then hired back 100 supermodels and had sex with each one of them.

Yes, we did the weird stuff.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:58 PM
"At the end of the day, I need to survive."

No.

At the end of the day, you're a grubbing, avaricious, hubris riddled bag of douche crust scrapings and little else.

All necessary work is useful work and if you are told that you are doing work that is neither necessary or useful, then the person who sent you to do that work in a clinical imbecile. Is that work no longer ncessary? Did they not do the work? We're they dipping the register? Or are you just a posturing c*nt who plays thrift shop board games with the well being of people who bust their rear ends for you?
 
2012-11-08 04:59:57 PM

BgJonson79: This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.

So if you're one of those three, that's fine?


Well, those 3 might be out of a job, but at least they can can take consolation in the knowledge that they can subtract a two-digit number from another two-digit number successfully.
 
2012-11-08 05:00:25 PM
glad to see *most* of you called bullshiat on this story.

CBS Radio in Las Vegas is basically the Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones channel. Their call in shows are rightwing nut karaoke. Read the comment section of the story, it's pure skinnyhead style *potato!* derp.
 
2012-11-08 05:00:32 PM
I am just wondering how bad it is going to have to get before the libtards finally realize we cannot afford to subsidize all aspects of the lives of people who do not work for a living with the taxpayer income of those that do. Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.
 
2012-11-08 05:01:03 PM

Tigger: Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.


You know who else eliminated unacceptable financial risks?
 
2012-11-08 05:01:45 PM

hugram: As a 6'2" latino, I laughed...


Aren't you the one who loaned Pee Wee his shoes?

manilovefilms.com
 
2012-11-08 05:02:16 PM

jasimo: TenJed_77: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.
And would actually be cheaper than it has been.

Yes.

Obamacare is to Universal Healthcare as "Don't ask don't tell" was to gays serving openly in the military.

If you can't get what you want, take a step in the right direction. Once Obamacare kicks in and the sky doesn't fall everyone will have been for it all along.

We'll have universal healthcare within 20 years.


We can only hope.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:05 PM

tuxq: I'm not sure what all you kids are talking about, because the guy owns the company: He can do whatever he pleases. Call him asinine, go ahead, he's got a company and you don't.

Seriously, I respect social programs on some level, but the ideas you guys have about running a business are absolutely naive.


Having run my OWN business for 15 years now, I agree...he can do whatever he likes.

But we get to call out BS when we see it. And bear in mind...I'm NOT a fan of Obamacare, OR Romneycare, which we've got here in Mass.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:10 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You mean, basic health insurance coverage right? Because that's all it is. It's not Obamacare. And as has already been pointed out, your friend seems to be somewhat deceitful.
 
2012-11-08 05:03:14 PM
If they could just get some power generators to the victims of Sandy that ran off of butthurt and then connected them to the fark threads from the past three days the amps would melt the cables and they'd be right back where they started nice solution
 
2012-11-08 05:03:57 PM

ciberido: BgJonson79: This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.

So if you're one of those three, that's fine?

Well, those 3 might be out of a job, but at least they can can take consolation in the knowledge that they can subtract a two-digit number from another two-digit number successfully.


As I explained a dozen times further up thread, I was assuming && and not ||.
 
2012-11-08 05:04:15 PM
Then let demand exceed supply and let someone else step in to fill the gap in the market.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:05 PM

Cybernetic: sdd2000: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well

It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.

Companies like Darden (headquartered here in Orlando, so this is one of their trial markets) are planning to have more employees who work fewer hours, specifically to reduce the impact of the "30 hours" rule. The "full time equivalent" rule hasn't happened yet, so companies are adapting to the law as written, and will adapt again if they necessary. They are doing this now in order to assess the effect on their business before the Obamacare rules are in full effect.

Companies have always altered their behavior in response to changes in the law, and I don't think that Obamacare will be any different in that regard.

Hypothetically, I can see how a business owner who has slightly more than 50 employees and does not provide insurance might look at laying off a few people to get under the 50-employee limit to avoid paying the fine. The fine is $2000 per employee, so the minimum fine is $100,000. For a company with 50 employees, laying off one employee to avoid a $100,000 penalty is mathematically a no-brainer. That one employee would have to bring in $100,000 profit--that's profit, not just revenue--per year, to offset the cost of the fine. It's likely that this hypothetical company would have at least one employee who is not contributing that much to the bottom line.

A company would have to be significantly above the 50-employee threshold (possibly 60+ emplo ...


You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:09 PM
I believe it is called follow through.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:34 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Bullshait

The only way Obamacare would cost him any more money would be..

1. He is not providing any healthcare for his employees right now.
2. He doesn't plan to.

Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.
 
2012-11-08 05:05:56 PM

Vectron: Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.

I just fired mine. The dog too.


You could always re-hire the dog as an independent security contractor so you won't have to pay his healthcare costs. Cats, however, just keep vacuum cleaners employed (and full of cat hair) so Fluffy would be out of luck.

/ has two cats, a Roomba and a Hoover
// loves the cats and the Roomba
/// the Hoover sucks, and not the way a vacuum cleaner is supposed to
//// slashie fest!
 
2012-11-08 05:07:00 PM

Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.


I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.
 
2012-11-08 05:07:06 PM

TheR0CK: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Bullshait

The only way Obamacare would cost him any more money would be..

1. He is not providing any healthcare for his employees right now.
2. He doesn't plan to.

Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.


But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.
 
2012-11-08 05:11:12 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


That is pure awesome. I haven't Snoped it yet, but I hope it's true.
 
2012-11-08 05:11:35 PM

bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-08 05:12:02 PM

BgJonson79: But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.


Wal Mart. Buy poorly made trash at price point that doesn't put a penny in anybody's pockets but ours and pretend you Live Better®
 
2012-11-08 05:13:54 PM

This text is now purple: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


i1.kym-cdn.com

I don't want to interrupt your \/\/1ck3d kewl meme flow, or anything but, what the f*ck, in 25 words or less, is that supposed to mean as far as a reply? Seriously.
 
2012-11-08 05:13:57 PM

bunner: BgJonson79: But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.

Wal Mart. Buy poorly made trash at price point that doesn't put a penny in anybody's pockets but ours and pretend you Live Better®


I dunno, I got a perfectly good pair of pillows there that are made in the USA that I like, and most of the stuff in the toys or electronics dept is the same stuff sold everywhere else.

And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?
 
2012-11-08 05:14:19 PM

drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it


That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.
 
2012-11-08 05:14:57 PM

ristst: drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it

That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.


Glad your wife is okay and glad you have insurance! Sucks about the OOP though.
 
2012-11-08 05:16:17 PM

BgJonson79: And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?


I dunno. Shopping at places that actually puts capital receipts back into the domestic economy might be worth an extra buck or two of 96 no lead, in the long ball game.
 
2012-11-08 05:16:19 PM
Yeesssss...let your butthurt FLOW through you...
 
2012-11-08 05:16:55 PM

GranoblasticMan: Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.

Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.


I'd think that computer automation has even more to do with a shrinking workforce than PURELY the 1% being dicks. Half the people in one dept where I work can be replaced with a Perl script.
 
2012-11-08 05:17:01 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Also it doesn't go into full effect until 2014 so further calling BS on your CSB.
The parts in effect today are:

Cap on insurance company rate increases - currently in effect
Free preventive care for seniors - currently in effect
Donut hole closure for medicare - already started, will be complete by 2014

None of these would create any additional expesne for a business owner.

Remaining parts to be inacted in 2014:

No discrimination for pre-existing conditions - effective 2014
Patients Bill of Rights - phase in by 2014
Only those without health insurance will have to buy it. 1 % effect on the public - effective 2014 (Individual Mandate - upheld by Supreme Court)
Tax credit for small businesses

Damn shame people who don't have a clue about the law are against it.
Just goes to show how effective the propaganda has been against it.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:11 PM
the company I work for has grown 30% every year for the past five years. during that time we have invested around 2 million in equipment and workforce.

must be Obama's fault.

thank you Obama!
 
2012-11-08 05:19:51 PM

bunner: BgJonson79: And for some, Wal-mart is the closest place to go. Do we want them to waste gas going somewhere else?

I dunno. Shopping at places that actually puts capital receipts back into the domestic economy might be worth an extra buck or two of 96 no lead, in the long ball game.


And that is a perfectly reasonable thing to aim for. When I asked, I wasn't totally trolling, but I wanted to see if people would go for the long ball game, as you say.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:57 PM
Actions have consequences. Live with them.


// and enjoy your unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 05:20:17 PM

you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.


The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.
 
2012-11-08 05:23:22 PM

ristst: drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it

That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.


I'm not one of those fools that thinks I will never need health care, no matter what. I'm old enough to know that I'm not immortal and that my health will eventually begin to fail. For most of my adult life (I'm 35), I have gladly participated in company healthcare programs. A few times, for a year or two here and there, I've opted out. To save myself money, the company money, or both.

Now that they are attempting to take the choice away from me and force me to participate in the system, I am disgusted, and my disgust compels me to resist.

Best wishes to yourself and your family.
 
2012-11-08 05:23:23 PM

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that.


I will "do that" as soon as anyone in Washington has the balls to make a law about it. I'm sure the GOP will fight it tooth and nail.
 
2012-11-08 05:23:37 PM
Health care is a problem because everybody knows that health care is something like 3000% over costs for EVERYTHING and the businesses don't want to piss the doctors off by calling them on it, let alone help pay for it to keep the serfs alive, and the corporate hospitals aren't going to stop gouging sick people by putting a gun to their heads for necessary care. The simplest solution up until now as just been to ignore the elephant in the room and tell the working poor and middle class "gee, that's too bad." And changing that means a lot of people with a lot of money actually have to get some skin in the game or just admit that they don't value human life any more than they do a beater car or a broken toaster. That, or doctors don't get to buy a new CLS Benzo every year, and that's communism.
 
2012-11-08 05:24:49 PM
If somebody wants to kill their business because Obama won, that is their right. It isn't the fault of either the workers or the president.
 
2012-11-08 05:25:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.


Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.
 
2012-11-08 05:25:33 PM

OnlyM3: Actions have consequences. Live with them.


// and enjoy your unemployment.


You should have voted the party line, komrade! You know, when we let the other shoe drop and just start shipping "dissidents" to gulags, I hope you get a really cold and filthy one. : )
 
2012-11-08 05:26:14 PM
So this coward won't even tell us his name or his company? This man is taking revenge on his employees and nothing more. If we go into another recession it'll be because of so-called "job creators" DESTROYING jobs for no good reason.

So, Mr. Vindictive Business Owner, you've been doing just fine over the last four years but NOW you think the world's going to end? Based on what? Based on the fact that unemployment has been falling steadily? Foreclosures have slowed and home values are going up? Or all the other signs the economy has steadily been improving? You're a typical modern-day Republican, just like the GOP in Congress. Party before country, amiright? Destroy lives just because you don't like the president. I actually pity you people. It must be horrible to walk around with such delusions and paranoia. What's it like to pretend your life is so horrible because of someone else? I though Republicans were supposed to be the party of "personal responsibility". These days, they're the party of "blame the black guy."
 
2012-11-08 05:26:24 PM

Cybernetic: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.

The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.


peltiertech.com

Sorry it's small.
Blue = countries with universal healthcare. (USA joins Mexico in brown. USA! USA!)
The thickness of the line = # of doctors visits per year
Left # = cost of healthcare per capita
Right # = life expectancy (not the best #, but still interesting)
 
2012-11-08 05:27:29 PM

fnordfocus: Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.

Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.


Only a very small amount of humans possess the entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to hard work, high intelligence, and good old-fashioned gumption needed to run a landscaping business.

Someday we'll all GO GALT and you libs will be forced to pick up your own Mexicans at Home Depot.
 
2012-11-08 05:29:07 PM

Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT


Let me pack you a nice lunch and give you bus fare.
 
2012-11-08 05:30:52 PM

Cybernetic: It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.


I don't know much about their tax structure, but the overall cost of health care in the US is quite a bit higher than any other country in the world.
 
2012-11-08 05:32:40 PM

Johnson: This is David Siegel the "Time Share" king who "starred" in "The Queen of Versailles"

His empire took a huge hit in 2008 when he lost access to all the cheap money.
He has been laying off people ever since, he lost his massive Time Shares in Vegas to the banks
He was blabbing on and on mid October about how he was going to fire people if Obama got re-elected. 

The movie is a hoot. He keeps thinking everything will be all right, all he as to do is "find $400 million". 
This is a guy who had a 26K sq ft home for him and his wife and 7 kids and no mortgage, but he decided to build a 90K sq ft home. Despite having no mortgage on his home, he could not sit there with an "asset" that was not "leveraged" so he apparently took out a second mortgage on the place and dumped the money into his business.

Nice going dickhead.


THIS
 
2012-11-08 05:32:43 PM

you have pee hands: Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.

No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.


First world outside of America? There's no such thing!
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-08 05:35:56 PM
Health care is just one more money tap with a really useful exploit. If you don't get it when you need it, you may die. Like all things, as soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it's supposed to be about is what it used to be about and is remanded to tertiary importance and endless manipulation for more gain.

And like every other former product or service that has been turned into a whipped to bleeding cash cow in the last four decades, people are starting to notice that they're not getting what's on the label and getting dunned sh*tless for the privilege or receiving it.

Greed, you see, Ronnie - is not good. At all. It's the dismantling of hope and the debasement of societies. It's what screws our poooches.

It's a flag of surrender for humanity waved at the very things we created to serve us when they turn into festering leviathans and start to eat us whole.
 
2012-11-08 05:40:48 PM

bunner: Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT

Let me pack you a nice lunch and give you bus fare.


You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.
 
2012-11-08 05:41:20 PM

bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.


You bring up good points. Though like a lot of people it seems people think the rich have all their money in some secret vault just sitting there doing nothing. Now granted there are rich people that are assholes, but even those people have their money in a bank at least and banks invest money in order to make money so even the asshole rich are not just hording the money in some dark hole that the people cannot get to. The real assholes are the government when it comes to money, because they take money out of the economy and spend it in useless investments, because they have no desire to make a monetary gain on their investment only a political gain. Look at welfare as an example of how bad the government plan is for the economy. What does a person on welfare buy aside from food? So welfare might help farmers and industries that make the packaging for food products, but doesn't do anything for improving the economy, because there are not a lot of job opportunities in farming or food packaging. Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand. It wouldn't be a fast change but it would change over time when there was no more "free money" to be had. We could always setup training camps where people could be taught a skill and paid a wage which would be faster though it does sound more Hilteristic. At any point providing money to the government to redistribute has never been and never will be a sustainable or even a good idea.
 
2012-11-08 05:43:09 PM

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I dunno - the price of stamps went up after the Govt got out of the Post Office.
 
2012-11-08 05:46:33 PM

jasimo: Cybernetic: you have pee hands: No, libs want universal care. The "Affordable Care Act" is a bridge. If there was ever an industry that exists solely to leech while producing absolutely nothing, it's the health insurance industry. But people who don't understand how the entire first world outside of America works will rant and rave about "Socialism!!" whenever universal health care is brought up.

The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.

Increases in the price of necessities disproportionately affect the poor and middle-class, who spend a higher percentage of their after-tax income on necessities than the affluent or the wealthy.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.

[peltiertech.com image 393x569]

Sorry it's small.
Blue = countries with universal healthcare. (USA joins Mexico in brown. USA! USA!)
The thickness of the line = # of doctors visits per year
Left # = cost of healthcare per capita
Right # = life expectancy (not the best #, but still interesting)


Those graphs are always interesting in the context that the longest lived people in the world are Japanese women living in the United States.
 
2012-11-08 05:50:41 PM
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This piece never gets old, imo.
 
2012-11-08 05:51:23 PM

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.



Your friend is trying to maintain a small risk pool by purchasing a traditional form of employer provided health insurance. That's neither cheap, nor efficient, nor sustainable. Your friend should benefit from the insurance exchanges states will be setting up for small businesses that are meant to correct the risk pool problem.
 
2012-11-08 05:51:39 PM

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


Just wait til the Obama's Death Panel gets to him.

/I was told there'd be Death Panels.
 
2012-11-08 05:52:31 PM

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


This is correct. They will have the same number of FTEs, however.
 
2012-11-08 05:52:35 PM

Profedius: Now if we took the welfare money and left it in the hands of investors there would be more funds available in the market to loan to businesses and people for expansion which would require more workers being paid wages to buy products other than food and as the demand went up more workers would be needed to make the products the people demand.


On paper, yeah, I'd have to agree. Unless they just turn it into confetti based derivatives written against bad loans, uncollectable debt or Chernobyl like mortgages that were written for no other reason than to fluff up derivative portfolios that are later tanked and then we get dunned to replace the money. I mean, that sounds far fetched, I suppose.
 
2012-11-08 05:57:39 PM

Rapmaster2000: You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.


media.reason.com

i.ytimg.com

exiledonline.com
 
2012-11-08 05:59:14 PM

BSABSVR: Rapmaster2000: You'll be jealous when we're all in our mountain hideout having romance novel sex with the three women who like Ayn Rand.

[media.reason.com image 150x150]

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

[exiledonline.com image 350x382]


Um, bring little blue pills?
 
2012-11-08 05:59:48 PM
given this guy did not name his business presumably to protect it and his family, not that it is guaranteed to work one of the employees he fired could easily rat him out and would have any number of reasons to do so. I call bullshiat on the whole thing if your gonna do this own it man , own it all the way.
 
2012-11-08 06:00:06 PM
It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"
 
2012-11-08 06:03:52 PM

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


Well almost. It would be "moved business to Canada."
 
2012-11-08 06:08:35 PM

drop: Well almost. It would be "moved business to Canada."


"Canada eh? Almost made it..."

 
2012-11-08 06:08:45 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


hell, I'll mock away. Then someone else will hire those people and take the business that your friend is not doing. If there are customers out there people will set up and fill the need. You don't hire because of the cost of employees, you hire because you need resources to support your business.
 
2012-11-08 06:08:53 PM

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


www.frontroomcinema.com
 
2012-11-08 06:09:50 PM
Vague, ass employer follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins

/FTFY Subby
 
2012-11-08 06:11:15 PM

Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


static.prtst.net
 
BHK
2012-11-08 06:14:58 PM
TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?
 
2012-11-08 06:15:54 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link

[static.prtst.net image 140x140]


I already explained that Obamacare was not limited to penalties.

No one cared.

Or LEARNED,,,, clutches pearls
 
2012-11-08 06:16:13 PM

Eddy Gurge: The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.


drop: Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.


CujoQuarrel: Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.


Thank you all. You're all wrong.

"Union shops" and "closed shops" are what you're describing. They have been illegal since Taft-Hartley passed in 1947.

Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.

"Right to work" laws prevent or interfere with otherwise lawful collective bargaining practices, including negotiating fees. Negotiating fees are not "union dues," do not make a worker a union member, and are by definition limited to the actual costs of the negotiation. This is a pretty good way of crippling or decertifying a union, since it basically makes union dues a charity donation from members to nonmembers. (Union members generally resent this kind of socialist redistribution of wealth.)

The plain-text definition of this basic term can be found here. Union types and anti-union types disagree furiously over whether these laws are good things or not. But they at least know what the words mean.
 
2012-11-08 06:19:12 PM

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


I'm eagerly awaiting for the sequel, "For a Few Derps More".
 
2012-11-08 06:19:26 PM
Four years ago I had a thriving business selling saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails). I had almost 42 employees, not including myself, my wife and our four children who helped out with the day to day operation. Once Obama was elected, I ended up having to pay taxes on our earnings, and when I realized how much free money I was just handing away (MY HARD EARNED CASH), I decided it was better to shut down and let my employees go.

It was the best decision of my life and I would do it again if I had the chance.
 
2012-11-08 06:21:09 PM

drop: orbister: Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments. For everything else, "who pays"? What kind of absurd question is that? I pay, as I have in the past.


You could afford a lung transplant, could you? Or appendicitis? How about a car accident that leaves you in intensive care for a month and in hospital for another three - you'd rather die, as you would if you got diabetes?

You've said that your savings were devastated by a broken arms, and you still think health insurance is a waste of time. Doesn't sound as if you're a terribly fast learner.
 
2012-11-08 06:21:22 PM
Everybody knows how to fix things. Everybody is very aware of how we should conduct ourselves, the things that are important and how we should treat other human beings. We all *know* what is and isn't good. But we almost never do it. Because we think that if, by any means, we can get MORE than the other poor sonofab*tch, we "win".

The winner's circle. Let me show it to you.

mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com

Any questions? Any answers? Anybody want a TicTac?
 
2012-11-08 06:22:43 PM

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


Sadly, this is apparently what happened to the North Korean soldiers in the coup attempt. It's hard to get solid news out of North Korean, however, so it's as much rumor as anything else.
 
2012-11-08 06:22:48 PM

Rubberband Girl: FTFA - Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic - I'm not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees - well unfortunately we know what happened and I can't wait around anymore, I have to be proactive.

And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?


It makes him sound even *more* like a bigoted moron?
 
2012-11-08 06:23:21 PM

Rubberband Girl: And the ethnicity of the employees is relevant enough for him to bring it up because...?


Because the clear message the caller was trying to get across was "Those damned hispanics nationwide voted Obama back in so I'm going to take it out on some hispanics." He's trying to give the impression of a coming race war.
 
2012-11-08 06:24:27 PM
Wow, the fact that A) People actually believe this sh*t and B) the guy is being hailed as a hero by the right-wing radio talk show hosts is more than enough proof that our schools are not teaching critical thinking skills.

Lets just assume for the rest of my post that everything this douchebag said was true. Let's think about it...

The majority of Obamacare "regulations" for business come into effect in 2014. Now if he were this awesome amazing small businessman like Wilkow was fawning over this morning, that would assume that most of his 114 employees are employed because he's getting a good degree of utilization out of them. Obama gets re-elected meaning Obamacare isn't going anywhere, and this jackass decides that roughly 20 percent of his company gets the axe shortly after. This is not enough to get the company under the 50 employee cutoff line that exempts the business from many of Obamacare's "onerous regulations". So he's still having to match employee premiums on the 92 remaining employees or paying fines on them. So where does he get the number 22 from? Well then those employees were not being utilized to match whatever salary + benefits regardless of Obamacare and could have been on the chopping block for any number of oddball reasons. And again, with the majority of these regulations coming into effect in 2014, the fact that he's willing to part with them a full year before he would be effected by the law means that it's not Obamacare's fault he's letting them go, but rather for some other reason. He has just decided to grandstand and thinks (correctly for Republicans apparently) that everyone would be stupid enough to fall for his bullshiat

But again...

This is assuming that this isn't some butterscotch schnapps-drinking, chips and cheese dip-for-dinner, Facebutt-using dipshiat using the power of anonymity on the radio to spew derp.
 
2012-11-08 06:25:28 PM
Meh. Boeing announced thousands of cuts yesterday.

Me? Glad the douche bag won, no, the other douche bag, keeps me in business.

Got a $500 donation at my site this morning, "just to keep up the good work".

Oh, I will, and as my skills progress, hilarity will ensue.
 
2012-11-08 06:26:40 PM

orbister: He's trying to give the impression of a coming race war.


It may not be readily apparent, but - as in most of history where people who speak, eat, look and worship the same have always banded together - the great melting pot experiment has failed. The only thing holding this joint together at the joists is the fact that we have a pretty snazzy quality of life, and when they're done dismantling that, you better strap in.
 
2012-11-08 06:28:16 PM

MrHappyRotter: Four years ago I had a thriving business selling saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails). I had almost 42 employees, not including myself, my wife and our four children who helped out with the day to day operation. Once Obama was elected, I ended up having to pay taxes on our earnings, and when I realized how much free money I was just handing away (MY HARD EARNED CASH), I decided it was better to shut down and let my employees go.

It was the best decision of my life and I would do it again if I had the chance.


What?! You had to pay TAXES?! OH THE HUMANITY!

I'm glad you shut it down, it's obvious you aren't capable of running a small business. Or much critical thought.
 
2012-11-08 06:28:16 PM
Dude's a lying POS.

Guaranteed.
 
2012-11-08 06:29:42 PM
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

Phins: You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?


Either?
 
2012-11-08 06:30:16 PM

joonyer: I'm glad you shut it down, it's obvious you aren't capable of running a small business. Or much critical thought.


facepalm.

/everyone knows that the sales of saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails) market is controlled by the mob.
 
2012-11-08 06:31:59 PM

Slam1263: Meh. Boeing announced thousands of cuts yesterday.

Me? Glad the douche bag won, no, the other douche bag, keeps me in business.

Got a $500 donation at my site this morning, "just to keep up the good work".

Oh, I will, and as my skills progress, hilarity will ensue.


Your skills have a long way to go, as does your childish worldview. Good luck with both.
 
2012-11-08 06:33:25 PM
wazzzaaaaaaaaaaap
 
2012-11-08 06:33:33 PM

Buffalo77: Flab


relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...

Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


Where did the $300,000 amount come from and what is the guys gross margin.


Guesstimate that the 3 new employees are paid 30,000/yr. Plus the cost of the machinery.

As I said, he wouldn't invest unless he thought his investment would pay off. Sure, he could figure that the investment would pay off in 5 years, or 10 years, but I was trying to keep the book keeping simple as I figures that a company with 17 employees would have a large enough cash flow to pay for the investment up front.
 
2012-11-08 06:33:50 PM

MrHappyRotter: Four years ago I had a thriving business selling saltwater and freshwater snails to people with saltwater and freshwater pufferfish (puffers eat snails). I had almost 42 employees, not including myself, my wife and our four children who helped out with the day to day operation. Once Obama was elected, I ended up having to pay taxes on our earnings, and when I realized how much free money I was just handing away (MY HARD EARNED CASH), I decided it was better to shut down and let my employees go.

It was the best decision of my life and I would do it again if I had the chance.


I guess you could say his puffer feeding business *puts on sunglasses* shriveled up.

/YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
 
2012-11-08 06:38:03 PM

Slam1263: Meh. Boeing announced thousands of cuts yesterday.

Me? Glad the douche bag won, no, the other douche bag, keeps me in business.

Got a $500 donation at my site this morning, "just to keep up the good work".

Oh, I will, and as my skills progress, hilarity will ensue.


Wow $500 bucks to regurgitate Daily Caller, Fox News and Drudge links? I'm in the wrong line of work.
 
2012-11-08 06:39:06 PM

Rapmaster2000: fnordfocus: Rapmaster2000: I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.

Sounds pretty close to what many freepers are saying.

Quite honestly, I hope they all do go John Galt and open up some business opportunities for the rest of us.

Only a very small amount of humans possess the entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to hard work, high intelligence, and good old-fashioned gumption needed to run a landscaping business.

Someday we'll all GO GALT and you libs will be forced to pick up your own Mexicans at Home Depot.


cdn3.thomhartmann.com
Good luck with that.
 
2012-11-08 06:39:55 PM

semiotix: Eddy Gurge: The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.

drop: Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.

CujoQuarrel: Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.

Thank you all. You're all wrong.

"Union shops" and "closed shops" are what you're describing. They have been illegal since Taft-Hartley passed in 1947.

Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.


No, again, you are wrong again. A "Right to work" state is exactly as was pointed out to you. Taft-Hartley only affects the Government. Right to work means employees cannot be forced to join a union as a condition of employment, and only about half the states are RTW, closed shops exist today in the other half.
 
2012-11-08 06:40:46 PM

semiotix: Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.


Tell that to my school teacher brother.
 
2012-11-08 06:42:27 PM

sdd2000: You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.


Do you have a link with information on that? This is a sincere question. I did a quick Google and couldn't come up with anything specific, and I'd like to see how it affects the math.
 
2012-11-08 06:44:49 PM

semiotix: Eddy Gurge: The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.

drop: Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.

CujoQuarrel: Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.

Thank you all. You're all wrong.

...

The plain-text definition of this basic term can be found here...


Okay, let's read it. Oh, hey, it says exactly what those "wrong" guys said.
 
2012-11-08 06:46:22 PM

Thunderpipes: You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get.


I find this statement abso-farking-lutely hilarious.
The left wing "libs" would love -- LOVE -- to have the government pay for health care by taxation, preferably running it through a single-payer system. This Obamacare compromise that we have came about because you conservatives were the ones who absolutely could not stand to even have a government option that the supposedly more efficient HMOs would have to compete with. So Obama took Obamacare from a plan that conservatives drew up, and now you have the gall to say that liberals don't get it because we arrived at a Republican plan because of conservative obstructionist obstinence? If that isn't the most pathetic pile of irony-filled BS I've ever heard, I don't know what is.
 
2012-11-08 06:47:00 PM

Vodka Zombie:
If you haven't learned by now, Republicans politicians lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.


FTFY
 
2012-11-08 06:47:41 PM

BgJonson79: TheR0CK: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Bullshait

The only way Obamacare would cost him any more money would be..

1. He is not providing any healthcare for his employees right now.
2. He doesn't plan to.

Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

But isn't that why people shop at Wal-mart? Not paying for that makes the product cheaper, and people ALWAYS go cheaper, for right or wrong.


Walmart is not a small business.
 
2012-11-08 06:50:08 PM

This text is now purple: bunner: Profedius: Sure it is great to help the poor, but let us help them to no longer be poor instead of just barely keeping them alive.

I agree. And how exactly do we do that when anybody with any capital investments demands more money than last year, every year, for less expenses, pays almost no taxes and thinks that having a 60' Hattaras is way more important than the jobs they just eradicated to buy it?

You don't. You just watch more filthy rich people shove more money up their ass ends, and pay less taxes and buy more toys while they sack the people who bring the money in the door.

Endless growth is a myth and if you insist on eating the whole pizza, my family actually DOES get the box for supper. And so far, that hasn't worked out.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Put a 40' high barbed wire fence around the fishing hole and it doesn't much make a difference.

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Hey bro, if you do a meme reply, at least make it relavent. The "We got a bad ass over here" is in response to internet tough guys.
 
2012-11-08 06:54:06 PM

semiotix: Eddy Gurge: The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.

drop: Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.

CujoQuarrel: Right to work means you cannot be forced to join a union as a requirement for employment.
Where do you get that it interferes in how a union spends it's money.

Thank you all. You're all wrong.

"Union shops" and "closed shops" are what you're describing. They have been illegal since Taft-Hartley passed in 1947.

Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.

"Right to work" laws prevent or interfere with otherwise lawful collective bargaining practices, including negotiating fees. Negotiating fees are not "union dues," do not make a worker a union member, and are by definition limited to the actual costs of the negotiation. This is a pretty good way of crippling or decertifying a union, since it basically makes union dues a charity donation from members to nonmembers. (Union members generally resent this kind of socialist redistribution of wealth.)

The plain-text definition of this basic term can be found here. Union types and anti-union types disagree furiously over whether these laws are good things or not. But they at least know what the words mean.


I am struggling with whether you are being a troll, being willfully ignorant, or are a union shill. I'll bite once.

READ YOUR OWN LINK. ---> "A "right-to-work" law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. Right-to-work laws exist in twenty-three U.S. states, mostly in the southern and western United States. Such laws are allowed under the 1947 federal Taft-Hartley Act."

It's right there in the first paragraph. As has been said by many previous to myself in trying to educate you, Right-to-Work means that the Union can not prohibit the employer from hiring people who refuse to join the union, and can not likewise force the employer to collect dues from the paychecks of those same employees who don't want to pay. Right to work is absolutely NOT in effect across the entire US.

"Right to Work" was only one facet of Taft-Hartley.
 
2012-11-08 06:54:25 PM

BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?


Who said anything about morals.

Health care for uninsured is paid for by the insured, the providers charge more to compensate for what they lost treating the
uninsured, then the insurance company passes the rising costs on to US through higher premiums. This is not a terribly difficult
concept to grasp.

Morals have nothing to do with it.

But troll on anyway... Try harder.
 
2012-11-08 06:57:46 PM

drop: orbister: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014

Who pays if you get sick? Or are you willing to die, slowly and painfully if necessary, so save your employer some money?

I'm willing to die quickly and relatively painlessly if it's that or a life of drugs and/or other treatments.


What if it is something curable but expensive?
Cancer can be beaten, absolutely. I have more than one family member who has done it. It requires expensive but temporary treatments, not a lifetime of drugs. Or what about simple severe injury, say, due to a car accident? Needing to take a trip in an ambulance to emergency surgery and spending days in recovery is an extremely expensive proposition, but it certainly doesn't necessitate spending your life on drugs. Without insurance, other people are left paying your bill because the hospital never gets paid for your treatment.
 
2012-11-08 06:58:39 PM
A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees random anonymous late-shift french fry technician tells right-wing-AM-radio shock jock he fired 22 imaginary workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama's re-election.

"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that "elections have consequences"


Nice reporting, CBS Las Vegas, but you missed the real story: Obama is instituting taxpayer-funded slave reparations to the tune of $150,000 to every living black American. Why is the liberal Main Stream MSM Media ignoring this?
 
2012-11-08 06:59:21 PM

Cybernetic: The UK has universal health care. So, residents pay nothing out of pocket when they go to the doctor. What they DO pay is painfully high income tax rates (20% on the first £35,000, 40% above that), plus 20% VAT on everything that they buy. Consumer goods average twice the price of comparable items in the U.S. Gasoline is three times as expensive.


Note that those income tax levels are after a tax free allowance of £8,105.

It's entirely possible that they pay more for their "free" health care than we pay for ours.

The NHS costs roughly £100bn per annum, providing full and unlimited cover to 63m people. That's about £1,600 per head, which is $2,500. Total US healthcare costs seem to be about $2.6tr at the moment, which for 312m people is $8,300 per head.

So our system costs less than a third of yours per head. Or, to look at it another way, our GDP is about £1.5tr and yours is about £15tr, so we spend 7% of GDP on healthcare and you spend 17% of your GDP on yours, heading for 20% by the end of the decade

German and France spend around 10% of GDP on universal cover. They both use a mixture of private insurance and state cover (private health insurance is a very minor thing in the UK).
 
2012-11-08 07:06:47 PM
Just chiming in saying my health insurance premiums have not gone up in the two years since the ACA started going into effect. I haven't lost any coverage either. I also work for a medium size extremely conservative company with about 1200 employees.
 
2012-11-08 07:12:12 PM
If true, I'm sure that fact that 71% of Hispanics voted for Obama had nothing to do with his decision to fire 22 Hispanic employees .
 
2012-11-08 07:14:08 PM

cards fan by association: Just chiming in saying my health insurance premiums have not gone up in the two years since the ACA started going into effect. I haven't lost any coverage either. I also work for a medium size extremely conservative company with about 1200 employees.



Yeah me neither and I work for a big corporation. In fact I haven't had any negative repercussions from the Obama administration at all other than having to listen to the Obamically Deranged now and then. I work, my retirement fund is way up from 2008, and I do whatever I want.
 
2012-11-08 07:14:08 PM
Also, folks crying about higher premiums tend to forget the requirement that health insurance companies have to spend 85% of the premium on YOU. So while higher premiums do mean higher profits for health insurance companies, it also means more money has to be spent on you.

Win/win
 
2012-11-08 07:15:38 PM

Abox: cards fan by association: Just chiming in saying my health insurance premiums have not gone up in the two years since the ACA started going into effect. I haven't lost any coverage either. I also work for a medium size extremely conservative company with about 1200 employees.


Yeah me neither and I work for a big corporation. In fact I haven't had any negative repercussions from the Obama administration at all other than having to listen to the Obamically Deranged now and then. I work, my retirement fund is way up from 2008, and I do whatever I want.


The rate on return on my 401k is 11.9%. Man, the economy sure sucks, huh?
 
2012-11-08 07:19:57 PM
Reality:
It's winter, business is slow, I want to make an (R) point to my employees and whomever I can get to believe it, I'll rehire them if business picks up next year... and the cash saved is not going back into the business, but to bank it or catch up on debt. 

It's Obama's fault.
 
2012-11-08 07:22:13 PM

Stoker: Reality:
It's winter, business is slow, I want to make an (R) point to my employees and whomever I can get to believe it, I'll rehire them if business picks up next year... and the cash saved is not going back into the business, but to bank it or catch up on debt. 

It's Obama's fault.


Party of Personal Responsibility everyone!
 
2012-11-08 07:23:32 PM
I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I'm gonna have to make provisions...

So you're too bad at your job to understand how self-insurance pools work and that's Obama's fault?

Okay. Well, enjoy being eaten alive by your competitors who didn't choose to be enormously whiny biatches about largely inconsequential things. Not everybody is cut out to be a leader. Your next job as a Wal Mart greeter will probably suit you better anyway.
 
2012-11-08 07:24:53 PM

drop: ristst: drop: Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it

That may be true.....for now. Just bear in mind that at some point in the future you *will* need it....unless you you suddenly keel over dead. Or if not you then someone in your family will need it.

/Not trying to troll....simply stating a fact.
/My wife - who was in great health - suddenly developed congestive heart failure at age 37, and required open heart surgery. Luckily she was covered on my plan. Even with insurance, we ended paying around $15k out of pocket.

I'm not one of those fools that thinks I will never need health care, no matter what. I'm old enough to know that I'm not immortal and that my health will eventually begin to fail. For most of my adult life (I'm 35), I have gladly participated in company healthcare programs. A few times, for a year or two here and there, I've opted out. To save myself money, the company money, or both.

Now that they are attempting to take the choice away from me and force me to participate in the system, I am disgusted, and my disgust compels me to resist.

Best wishes to yourself and your family.


I feel compelled to point out that in this thread, you have taken both the position of (eventually) being forced into a healthcare program you don't want participate in, and bemoaning all the people who will "game the system" by not joining this same health program until they have a sudden immense cost.

And what a previous poster quoted to you is absolutely correct- (part of) the reasoning behind the ACA is that it is no longer acceptable for everyone who willfully purchases health insurance to cover the costs of a select few who gamble with how likely they are to need coverage and then get caught in a big accident or suddenly have heart failure, etc...

/26 and employed with health insurance
// It is not good health insurance but it's the best option I can find atm
 
Ant
2012-11-08 07:34:23 PM

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


House of the Rising Butthurt
Ziggy Butthurt
Welcome to the Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 07:35:32 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

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Holy shiat, that's awesome.
 
2012-11-08 07:38:05 PM

cards fan by association: Also, folks crying about higher premiums tend to forget the requirement that health insurance companies have to spend 85% of the premium on YOU. So while higher premiums do mean higher profits for health insurance companies, it also means more money has to be spent on you.

Win/win


It'll be win/win the day that aspirins aren't 14.00, band aids aren't 39.00 and you can actually get useful treatment for less than the cost of a good, used pickup truck.
 
2012-11-08 07:38:34 PM

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


Dude [or Dudess], can I gank this for a bit of e-mail FW:FW: trollery?

Cuz it's funny.
 
2012-11-08 07:41:05 PM

GiantBat: Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.

Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.


I know I'm late to the thread but OMG owned so hard. Love it.
 
2012-11-08 07:41:05 PM
You know what I think? I think that medical training should be a part of the curriculum of every public school on earth up to at least the "useful EMT or nursing" level, and could then be pursued by students as a major, alter, if they wish. That's some proactive preventative care for your ass, yo, and it would start dismantling this elitist, guild cloak bullsh*t surrounding medicine.
 
Ant
2012-11-08 07:41:34 PM

drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


I don't even know what to say...
 
2012-11-08 07:42:07 PM
He employs "mostly hispanics" and he pays them with a real, official paycheck? They would receive insurance and other benefits?

You're doing it wrong.
 
2012-11-08 07:43:08 PM

Ant: drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

I don't even know what to say...


He fails to understand what insurance is.
 
2012-11-08 07:44:52 PM

vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"


Not true at all. I'm very selective about whose cocks I get all over.
 
2012-11-08 07:45:49 PM
Finally made it back in here.

Thanks to all y'all who recognized my cranial malfunction (at will vs right to work). Today I has teh dum.
 
2012-11-08 07:46:31 PM

bunner: vegasj: It is amazing how liberal Fark has become...

Had Romney won, and some business owner went on record saying he is forced to let people go due to Romney winning...

You bastards would be all over that person's cock saying he "did what he had to do"

[www.frontroomcinema.com image 400x400]


It's always amusing when hardcore conservatives try to imagine what "you libs" would do if the circumstances were reversed.
 
2012-11-08 07:49:38 PM

BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?


The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?
 
Ant
2012-11-08 07:51:08 PM

drop: You also entirely missed the point of the post, which is that it was my choice (agree or disagree with it) to participate in the market or not. In 2014 that choice is effectively taken away and becomes "participate or pay a fine" which is simply outrageous.


And if you someday get sick, we're not going to just let you die, even though you have contributed nothing to the pot.
 
2012-11-08 07:58:57 PM

bunner: cards fan by association: Also, folks crying about higher premiums tend to forget the requirement that health insurance companies have to spend 85% of the premium on YOU. So while higher premiums do mean higher profits for health insurance companies, it also means more money has to be spent on you.

Win/win

It'll be win/win the day that aspirins aren't 14.00, band aids aren't 39.00 and you can actually get useful treatment for less than the cost of a good, used pickup truck.


I agree. That's the health provider though, not the insurance company. There are parts of the ACA that will reward providers based on quality instead of quantity of services provided. Hopefully that helps just a little bit.
 
2012-11-08 08:02:45 PM

cards fan by association: Hopefully that helps just a little bit.


Yeah, maybe. but we are well pat the point of hoping for little things that help a tiny but and well into the time when we should be f*cking well demanding large things that help a lot and discarding the people who refuse to comply. I have lost my optimism for the notion that if we just keep driving towards the cliff and tap the brakes, occasionally, we'll learn to fly as soon as we hit the edge of the cliff. I hope I'm wrong and you're not.
 
2012-11-08 08:04:15 PM
My benefits coordinator has also sent out an I-O memo every year since the ACA that says "depending on the cost of health care after 2014, we may not be able to provide a health plan." What the willingly ignore is the fact that most of the provisions have already gone into effect OR the health insurance companies have already implemented the provisions required down the road in order to avoid a big hit all at once. So where is my big increase? In 2014, the "big" thing is the put a state-run insurance exchange where people can compare policies and providers in plain terms. Can someone explain to me how creating a more competitive marketplace for health care makes prices go up?
 
2012-11-08 08:06:27 PM

bunner: cards fan by association: Hopefully that helps just a little bit.

Yeah, maybe. but we are well pat the point of hoping for little things that help a tiny but and well into the time when we should be f*cking well demanding large things that help a lot and discarding the people who refuse to comply. I have lost my optimism for the notion that if we just keep driving towards the cliff and tap the brakes, occasionally, we'll learn to fly as soon as we hit the edge of the cliff. I hope I'm wrong and you're not.


Well, at least we're turning more towards the road and less towards the cliff. Regardless of how little the turn is...
 
2012-11-08 08:07:16 PM

bunner: cards fan by association: Hopefully that helps just a little bit.

Yeah, maybe. but we are well pat the point of hoping for little things that help a tiny but and well into the time when we should be f*cking well demanding large things that help a lot and discarding the people who refuse to comply. I have lost my optimism for the notion that if we just keep driving towards the cliff and tap the brakes, occasionally, we'll learn to fly as soon as we hit the edge of the cliff. I hope I'm wrong and you're not.


Lots of the reasons why medicine is so expensive in America is because the legislation around Medicare and other government programs has been intentionally written to prevent the government from being able to negotiate prices. Guess which party has ensured that this was included in such legislation?
 
2012-11-08 08:07:23 PM
Oh yeah, well I'm the sole owner of Massive Dynamic and since Obama won the election I'm going to hire so many new employees that I'm going to have to open a hole into another universe to import enough workers.

I posted it on Fark so it must be true.

/If this dude really dumped twenty-two employees, at least one of them is going to go to the press
//Unless he's counting cardboard cutouts in his mom's basement as "employees"
 
2012-11-08 08:13:41 PM

BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?



Jesus was a big fan of healing the sick and helping the poor.

/Achievement Unlocked: Moral High Ground.
 
2012-11-08 08:16:53 PM
I highly recommend anyone who has not to visit healthcare.gov for a summary of the ACA. You might think it's biased but it's worth checking out. It might just relieve some of your fears.
 
2012-11-08 08:22:19 PM

garumph: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

hell, I'll mock away. Then someone else will hire those people and take the business that your friend is not doing. If there are customers out there people will set up and fill the need. You don't hire because of the cost of employees, you hire because you need resources to support your business.


Yup. I'm sick of this attitude where we're all supposed to revere business owners, however good or bad, like feudal lords living in castles above our shiatty little mud-huts. It's a two-way contract between employee and employer, and the same farking market forces that they claim are in play for everything else are in play for employment.

If there is a market for your product, your demand will increase and you will need more employees. Businesses don't just go around hiring people because taxes are low, and they don't just fire them because taxes are high.

If you're going around firing employees because you don't understand your future expenses or the law, you deserve to fail, and the people you fired will be better off working for someone else.
 
2012-11-08 08:26:19 PM

lordjupiter: Yup. I'm sick of this attitude where we're all supposed to revere business owners, however good or bad, like feudal lords living in castles above our shiatty little mud-huts


But... but.. but, JOB CREATORS!1!! It's time we stopped staring at our feet like 8 year olds who just broke a lamp whenever some flatulent dipwad in a 3,000.00 suit starts getting harrumphy.
 
2012-11-08 08:43:09 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You and your friend are goddamned morans. Under Obamacare businesses with fewer than 50 people are exempt. Herpa derpidy doo!
 
2012-11-08 08:45:29 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Obamacare does'nt apply to companys with 50 or less workers.
 
2012-11-08 08:46:02 PM
Assuming it's true, what a shiatty thing to do. I imagine morale with the other 92 or so employees is higher than ever.

I understand the idea that it will/might become more expensive to run a business with more than so many employees and all that, BUT why not wait until the enactment date of these regulations is a little more firm and you can actually project how much more it will cost and how many employees you will 'have' to fire.
 
2012-11-08 09:01:09 PM
Joe the plumber ????
 
2012-11-08 09:05:38 PM

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


It's real. It was on July 27th, and the guy scrubbed her comment, before trying to inexplicably claim the moral high ground, due to her "curse-filled rant," as though there isn't rampant racism, homophobia and bigotry all over that page.
 
2012-11-08 09:14:23 PM
Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own
 
2012-11-08 09:23:53 PM

laid back w/bud light: Joe the plumber ????


No, but there is some cracked butt showing.
Media types have got to take control of this type of clown.
Quit pandering to flaming derpsters. Call them on the spot and administer a corrective nut kick.
This crap of giving them a respectful soundboard instead of a biatchslap has to end.

/somebody needs to go back to being the adult
 
2012-11-08 09:32:02 PM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own


"So you're going to start doing what poor liberals have done for decades?"
 
2012-11-08 09:34:24 PM

Cybernetic: sdd2000: You left out the fact that companies that are at the 50-60 employee threshold will have to forgo the tax credit (which is especially true for those with a large number of lower paid workers) and I think you and they will find that the math adds up better to give the employees access to health care.

Do you have a link with information on that? This is a sincere question. I did a quick Google and couldn't come up with anything specific, and I'd like to see how it affects the math.


Link
 
2012-11-08 09:35:50 PM

snocone: Media types have got to take control of this type of clown.


Sadly, media is just one more money farm with a bunch of half-assed great pretenders looking for any dick to suck that will them better Arbitrons/page hits/ratings than the other guy, thus ensuring them some job security in the shark cage.

The rest of it is billionaires who sign their checks to run a vanity press for their particular brand of kool aid. Thing. Money. Thing becomes all about money. Thing stops being that thing.

We watch shows about bit*hy botox victims, sweaty men seaqring a lot at work and "cake wars", ffs.

Journalism is as dead as old Jacob Marley. This must be distinctly understood or else nothing good can come of this story
 
2012-11-08 09:37:00 PM
swearing a lot at work
 
2012-11-08 09:44:56 PM
Meanwhile, my company is hiring warehouse and office folks like crazy, and business has never been better... so suck it, anonymous Vegas talk show caller who claims to be a business owner.
 
2012-11-08 09:52:11 PM

DjangoStonereaver: HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.

The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.

That makes me an evil man to think that, doesn't it?

Not as evil as this idiot, though.


Don't be shocked, and you're not evil, you can just recognize the smell of scum wafting off the story. Assuming he's real, I'm certain this is the kind of cretin who hires illegals all the damn time to fill out this work crews, but doesn't say boo about them to the IRS when he files his employee taxes.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:42 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


LOL at your lying ass.
 
2012-11-08 10:11:56 PM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Someone on my facebook said to me, with a straight face, that businessowners are "going Galt" and will stop the economy, which is a good thing because it'll make Obama look bad, apparently. I'm still not sure how to respond, but I lol'ed heartily on my own


Send them my favorite anti-Rand polemic.
 
2012-11-08 10:13:19 PM
I'm gonna respond by pretending that "David" is telling the truth (not that I believe that)

He's saying that he believes that his business costs will rise in just under 14 months.....

......So, in order to save up the extra money he will need for his business expenses, he will reduce his business...... and make less money for the next 14 months.

ok.
 
2012-11-08 10:15:17 PM
Had nothing to do with his bussiness and everything to do with wanting to take his butt hurt out on someone and the only folks he had the power over to do so was his employees. It's kinda sick really. The hateful little troll doesn't sound like anyone I would want to work for anyway. But I will definantly remember this the next time someone starts whining about Class warfare because it's pretty clear here who is waging it.

Hypnozombie
 
2012-11-08 10:21:12 PM

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.


Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17
 
2012-11-08 10:23:23 PM

Surool: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17


Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.
 
2012-11-08 10:33:39 PM
The whole reason that the free-market works is that the people who shouldn't be running a business fail, while our "captains of industry" rise to the top. Survival of the fittest. Conservatives have been complaining that the free market in this country is dead.....

Looks like Obama's 2nd term is already fixing our economy!
 
2012-11-08 10:34:15 PM
Where's the HERO tag???
 
2012-11-08 10:37:55 PM

mrbmp: Where's the HERO tag???


I'm sure if it was up your ass you'd know where it was.
 
2012-11-08 10:40:28 PM

KnowledgeJunkie:

I feel compelled to point out that in this thread, you have taken both the position of (eventually) being forced into a healthcare program you don't want participate in, and bemoaning all the people who will "game the system" by not joining this same health program until they have a sudden immense cost.

Context, grasshopper.

Most places, gaming the system is not even an option. The ACA makes it an option everywhere, so I intend to take full advantage of it. Why shouldn't I?

And what a previous poster quoted to you is absolutely correct- (part of) the reasoning behind the ACA is that it is no longer acceptable for everyone who willfully purchases health insurance to cover the costs of a select few who gamble with how likely they are to need coverage and then get caught in a big accident or suddenly have heart failure, etc...

Sure it is. What are they going to do if I don't enroll, and don't pay their fine? Lock me up? Not only would that be laughable, it certainly wouldn't help the situation any.
 
2012-11-08 10:49:03 PM

tortilla burger: Faaaake


If this was legit, at least one of the employees would've gone public by now. We'd know what company and who did it. This was a bullshiat call.
 
2012-11-08 10:53:00 PM

bunner: swearing a lot at work


They got you doing double shifts at the Daily Worker, Trotsky?
 
2012-11-08 10:56:15 PM

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


They're just parroting a chain email.  Seen many variations of it going back past 2008.
 
2012-11-08 11:04:44 PM
This just in, made up company fires 22 made up employees.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:25 PM
Maybe, but the interesting part about stories like this is that the present day sociopolitical climate makes the premise very plausible.
 
2012-11-08 11:07:09 PM

Rapmaster2000: Someday we'll all GO GALT and you libs will be forced to pick up your own Mexicans at Home Depot.


Go ahead. Do it.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:34 PM

Surool: Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.


sigh, the 50 employee threshold is NOT THE ONLY EXPENSE DRIVER OF OBAMACARE!! He already was providing coverage.

Cripes, I've explained this 5 times already.

I get it, it is fark, sheep.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:11 PM
What a sack of shiat. During WWII our tax rates for the highest earners were above 90%. Everything we've had since then has gotten progressively lower to the point where our top earners now MAX OUT at 35%. This jackass has no clue what a high tax rate is.

And guess what arsehole, if you take that cash and reinvest it in the business, it's not income for you. So you can end up in a lower tax bracket, and a stronger business.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:31 PM
I would love the Repubicmorons to go "Galt". I would rather stay the "tech guy" in businesses, but I can run one if necessary.

remember a small company CEO makes about 1000X more than your average unemployed worker.
 
2012-11-08 11:35:12 PM
If there's anything actionable on that employer, sue the living shiat out of him. Then David can be unmasked and face the consequences of political intimidation.
 
2012-11-08 11:41:07 PM

FarOutMan: Obamacare does'nt apply to companys with 50 or less workers.


Which highlights the necessity of an anti-structuring provision. In short, if someone hires 49 people or otherwise gets on/near the edge of a limit, consider them in violation.

lordjupiter: Yup. I'm sick of this attitude where we're all supposed to revere business owners, however good or bad, like feudal lords living in castles above our shiatty little mud-huts. It's a two-way contract between employee and employer, and the same farking market forces that they claim are in play for everything else are in play for employment.


THIS
 
2012-11-08 11:41:53 PM
Haha, look at all the angry liberal youth. Upset that a businessman who found their Messiah's health care plan too expensive for his current complement of employees is laying a few off. It's not good enough that their Messiah won..no... all people must adore and worship him! Yeah.. NOT HAPPENING.
 
2012-11-08 11:48:19 PM

semiotix: Let me say that again. The "problem" of people being forced to join unions has not existed in this country since the Truman administration.

"Right to work" laws prevent or interfere with otherwise lawful collective bargaining practices, including negotiating fees. Negotiating fees are not "union dues," do not make a worker a union member, and are by definition limited to the actual costs of the negotiation. This is a pretty good way of crippling or decertifying a union, since it basically makes union dues a charity donation from members to nonmembers. (Union members generally resent this kind of socialist redistribution of wealth.)


The interesting thing is that it doesn't apply to employer-formed unions such as temp/contract labor and staffing agencies. That is, those are unions of workers that are designed to protect the employer with the dues paid by the employer.

Why not make RTW apply both ways if freedom is the goal?
 
2012-11-09 12:00:40 AM
I just fired 3000 employees because of Obamacare and offshored their jobs to China. Gee? No GE.
 
2012-11-09 12:03:18 AM

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Holy cow, you guys are never going to get it, are you?

Businesses have expenses. The revenues have to exceed said expenses for the business to continue to exist (and by extension, employ people).

You can argue all day long whether or not Obamacare and obamaregulation is good or bad. You CANNOT argue, however, that they dont add expenses to a business. No one argues that.

If these added expenses drive up expenses to the point they exceed revenues, something must change. People get laid off or let go. Lines of business become unprofitable and are shut down.

Again, you can say that its worth it. You can say Obama's policies are good for the country as a whole. I personally think they are less destructive to our country's fiber than what Romney was going to do. However, you CANNOT say they do not cost jobs.
 
2012-11-09 12:04:51 AM
People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.
 
2012-11-09 12:11:43 AM

Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.


Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.
 
2012-11-09 12:12:06 AM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-09 12:26:30 AM

ciberido: BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?

The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?


That is often its stated intention. That is much less often the actual result.

One pitfall of liberal thinking is the tendency to believe that suffering and tragedy can be legislated or regulated out of existence. This is an unattainable goal, the pursuit of which leads to such farces as Mayor Bloomberg's war on large sodas.

Take as an example the fervent dream of the liberal moralist: single-payer healthcare. A government that provides my health care may decide that it can dictate any of my activities that might affect my health: my food intake, my exercise habits, my sleep schedule, my alcohol consumption, how often I floss, how often I change the air filter in my furnace--the list is, for all practical purposes, endless. And the government would do all of this in the name of protecting me from suffering, particularly if that suffering might require certain types of high-cost health care.

Even more disturbing to me is that there are people--Mayor Bloomberg and his ilk--who want to have that kind of fine-grained control over the lives of others. They want to institute and enforce these sorts of dictates, and penalize non-compliance. They possess an arrogant belief that they know what is best for everyone else, and think it only natural that the unenlightened should receive the benefits of their wisdom. They are a velvet glove of smug paternalism wrapped around an iron fist of coercion and punishment. And it's all "for your own good."

Here is your liberal morality summed up in a single sentence: "We know what's best for you."

You might like it. But it holds no appeal for me.
 
2012-11-09 12:45:42 AM
the comments on that page by butthurt republicans really are shameful.
 
2012-11-09 12:46:36 AM

Cybernetic: ciberido: BHK: TheR0CK
Bottom line is, if you are a business owner you should care enough about the employees you hire to plan and budget
for providing healthcare for them. It's terribly simple.

Why "should" someone do that? Why do you want to force your morals onto others? Do you like it when Republicans want to force their moral views on birth control and abortion and homosexuality on you? What, objectively, makes your viewpoints morally superior to that of a Republican such that it is righteous to force those morals, through the police power of the state, on others?

The fact that liberal morality is about preventing others from suffering?

That is often its stated intention. That is much less often the actual result.

One pitfall of liberal thinking is the tendency to believe that suffering and tragedy can be legislated or regulated out of existence. This is an unattainable goal, the pursuit of which leads to such farces as Mayor Bloomberg's war on large sodas.

Take as an example the fervent dream of the liberal moralist: single-payer healthcare. A government that provides my health care may decide that it can dictate any of my activities that might affect my health: my food intake, my exercise habits, my sleep schedule, my alcohol consumption, how often I floss, how often I change the air filter in my furnace--the list is, for all practical purposes, endless. And the government would do all of this in the name of protecting me from suffering, particularly if that suffering might require certain types of high-cost health care.

Even more disturbing to me is that there are people--Mayor Bloomberg and his ilk--who want to have that kind of fine-grained control over the lives of others. They want to institute and enforce these sorts of dictates, and penalize non-compliance. They possess an arrogant belief that they know what is best for everyone else, and think it only natural that the unenlightened should receive the benefits of their wisdom. They are a v ...


Man, that slope looks slippery. What kind of lubricant do you use?
 
2012-11-09 12:50:45 AM
@Raspil Better step back and look at the bigger picture.. which I'm sure will be a first for you based on the way you vote. You filthy liberals are the ones expressing "butthurt" on here at the "gall" of an employer to lay off his people. Try to get a clue by cutting back on the Pot, and Jon Stewart. Thanks.
 
2012-11-09 12:56:22 AM

you are a puppet: What really put that interview into troll hyperdrive was claiming that most of his employees were Hispanic.


And if it is true, then he better hope for his sake that none of those fired employees finds out who he is.

An employer in an at-will state can totally fire employees for any reason, or no reason at all...unless it's because of their race, or for exercising a fundamental right.

The way this idiot framed his comments, it sounds very much like he either fired them because they were Hispanic or because he suspected them of voting for Obama. At least, that's what I'd be alleging in my complaint, were I their civil rights attorney. And, were I that hypothetical attorney, I'd be taking a page from Gloria Allred's playbook and making sure that allegation hit the press every time I got near a courthouse. The legal fees and bad press alone would make this fool wish he'd just kept his mouth shut and let his Hispanic Democrat employees keep working.

But very few attorneys are as mean as I am.
 
2012-11-09 01:23:08 AM

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


Obama is just another puppet, rich old white men pull the strings.
 
2012-11-09 02:09:39 AM

Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.


Rich old white men in charge of everything?

mmmhmmm... like the presidency?
 
2012-11-09 02:16:49 AM

halfof33: Surool: Half my post vanished. Since you and your friend are too stupid to realize that 17 is less than 50 then I assume he is too stupid to be in business. Being a whiny twat and refusing to expand your business is your problem, no one else's.

sigh, the 50 employee threshold is NOT THE ONLY EXPENSE DRIVER OF OBAMACARE!! He already was providing coverage.


Then let a business owner who is good at his job expand his business. He can take up the slack left by your friend.
 
2012-11-09 03:00:22 AM

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


In business as in nature, increased stress weeds out the weak and therefore free up resources for the ones that do survive. Cruel as it may be for those who can't complete, its business.
 
2012-11-09 03:24:12 AM

nmemkha: halfof33:
In businesslife as in nature, increased stress weeds out the weak and therefore free up resources for the ones that do survive. Cruel as it may be for those who can't complete, its businesslife.


So why aren't you arguing that these rules are unnecessary because the increased stress will weed out unproductive workers? A business owner is just a worker with more skin in the game.

/Another vote for fake
 
2012-11-09 04:31:38 AM

Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built my sa ...

Your failure to take out health insurance creates a financial risk for the rest of us.

That is not acceptable.


^^^ This right here
 
2012-11-09 04:44:53 AM
Hrm, makes me wonder if this just a stab by one side to make the other side look bad. Like that's never happened or anything when involving political agendas.
 
2012-11-09 05:46:34 AM
Meanwhile Obama supporters have no problem with Obamacare's most onerous provisions coming into effect in 2013, after the election...
 
2012-11-09 07:34:32 AM

drop: KnowledgeJunkie:

I feel compelled to point out that in this thread, you have taken both the position of (eventually) being forced into a healthcare program you don't want participate in, and bemoaning all the people who will "game the system" by not joining this same health program until they have a sudden immense cost.

Context, grasshopper.

Most places, gaming the system is not even an option. The ACA makes it an option everywhere, so I intend to take full advantage of it. Why shouldn't I?

And what a previous poster quoted to you is absolutely correct- (part of) the reasoning behind the ACA is that it is no longer acceptable for everyone who willfully purchases health insurance to cover the costs of a select few who gamble with how likely they are to need coverage and then get caught in a big accident or suddenly have heart failure, etc...

Sure it is. What are they going to do if I don't enroll, and don't pay their fine? Lock me up? Not only would that be laughable, it certainly wouldn't help the situation any.


Good luck with that. They have a lot of enforcement opportunities, the most obvious being that they can sue you.
 
2012-11-09 07:41:18 AM
I just find it interesting that the Obama knob-gobblers here think that you can add legions of bureaucrats to a system and make it more efficient.
 
2012-11-09 08:03:23 AM

scottydoesntknow: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.

This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


He said he wanted to remain anonymous, if he did fire 22 employees, look for a lawsuit, and for former employees to come out and name him, his business, and his home address for the LULZ
 
2012-11-09 08:05:34 AM

BgJonson79: Tigger: drop: Phins: drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm neither.

Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company?

Because unfortunately for you, I'm not an idiot. Healthcare is offered by my company. I do not participate in the program because I don't need it, and it saves us both money. When I negotiate my salary, I always do it with an eye towards potentially not participating in healthcare or retirement programs, and getting a cash payout for unused vacation time as I only take a day or two off a year.


Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

Who said that was the difference? Did I mention I'm getting a 4-figure bonus and a raise at the end of the year? Does that just blow your mind, man?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?

You've got me there. But once the ACA kicks in fully, what will you say? You know, when that day comes where they can't reject me due to preexisting conditions. Why would anyone who isn't an idiot pay into the system if they can join only after they need it? When can we get this awesome strategy applied to car insurance?

But seriously, I live within my means. A grownup concept, so perhaps quite foreign to you, I understand. When I broke my arm it did cost around 20k, all told. I paid for it out of pocket. It devistated into my savings. I built ...

That's the problem, isn't it? The degree of individual freedom we'd have to give up for universal healthcare.


Universal health care would actually contribute to individual freedom, since your continued good health would no longer be dependent on your employment.
 
2012-11-09 08:07:25 AM
Fundamental change, hell yeah!
 
2012-11-09 08:10:19 AM

Cobataiwan: Meanwhile Obama supporters have no problem with Obamacare's most onerous provisions coming into effect in 2013, after the election...


Which one is that?
 
2012-11-09 08:46:59 AM

Surool: Then let a business owner who is good at his job expand his business. He can take up the slack left by your friend.


He's not my friend, buddy.

It was just bugging me that people thought they were "pwning" him by pointing out that th penalty provisions do not apply to a company under 50 employees, when that company was ALREADY providing health insurance.
 
2012-11-09 09:36:16 AM

halfof33: Toy_Cop: People are farking delusional. It doesn't matter who won the elections, the same rich old white men are still in the charge of everything. I love when people whine about republican this and democrat that. It's all the same shiat with different labels. Wake the fark up.

Uh, Canada. I hate to break it to you, but Obama ain't a rich, old white man.

Seems like you have a touch of snow blindness there, sport.

Might want to see somebody aboot that.


He's as white as you're 33.
 
2012-11-09 09:41:41 AM
One of my closest friends owns his own flooring business. Just him, no employees. Early40's. Carpet and Vinyl are most of his business. He JUST paid off his very modest house because he saved and went without MANY other things and paid double mortgages.

His health insurance premiums went up over 2000 dollars a year. Directly related to Obamacare™
Forget employees, he can barely afford his own health care now. He has to work 2 extra days a month now just to break even. "Gee. Thanks Obama."

"When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's support."

/Independent