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2012-11-08 12:18:12 PM  
This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:35 PM  
If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.  
 
2012-11-08 12:30:45 PM  
Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.
 
2012-11-08 12:56:20 PM  
So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 01:01:54 PM  
Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.
 
2012-11-08 01:09:41 PM  
"David" (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons)

Coward.
 
2012-11-08 01:10:26 PM  
Right to work state?
 
2012-11-08 01:13:23 PM  
What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.
 
2012-11-08 01:20:44 PM  

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.
 
2012-11-08 01:21:48 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


Only in height.
 
2012-11-08 01:22:16 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.

That makes me an evil man to think that, doesn't it?

Not as evil as this idiot, though.
 
2012-11-08 01:23:58 PM  

edmo: Right to work state?


What does that have to do with anything?
 
2012-11-08 01:25:38 PM  
Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.
 
2012-11-08 01:31:36 PM  
I don't buy it. This smacks of Internet Tough Guy to me.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:07 PM  
Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point
 
2012-11-08 02:50:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: This. No proof beyond an anonymous call that someone said they fired employees because Obama. Not even a company name anywhere.


Small business owners are unfailingly brilliant and honest in every way. Far more than us mortal men. He has no reason to lie.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:10 PM  
Enjoy the torrent of joblessness that's sure to come.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM  
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.
 
2012-11-08 02:56:46 PM  
So many are feeling butthurt.
 
2012-11-08 02:57:15 PM  
Faaaake
 
2012-11-08 02:57:29 PM  
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EdNortonsTwin: Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


For what?? My Business MY RULES!!!
-12/10
 
2012-11-08 02:58:34 PM  
LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.
 
2012-11-08 02:59:08 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So, he'll vent his anger and stupidity on any Juan?


Nice
 
2012-11-08 02:59:09 PM  
My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce
 
2012-11-08 02:59:23 PM  
Yeah, well I just hired 50 people for my company because I think things are moving in the right direction!

/So there!
 
2012-11-08 02:59:25 PM  
Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home
 
2012-11-08 02:59:31 PM  
He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.
 
2012-11-08 03:00:23 PM  
Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.
 
2012-11-08 03:02:25 PM  

Eddy Gurge


edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).
 
2012-11-08 03:02:41 PM  
There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.

Then, everyone pointed and laughed at him when he confused taxable income with gross profits.
 
2012-11-08 03:02:49 PM  
What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family
 
2012-11-08 03:03:18 PM  
The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 03:03:35 PM  
I believe that was a Butt Hurt Trolling Shill, a rather common species often spotted after an election.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:47 PM  
Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:51 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Most of the obamacare stuff starts at 50 employees. Your dumbass friend needs an accountant or hr director that can read.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:55 PM  

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


What the US has now bears little resemblance to a free market.

/Much like Stalin's Russia didn't look anything like communism.
/these layoffs were probably coming for some time, but the employer wants political action.
 
2012-11-08 03:03:56 PM  

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.



You're assuming he even owns a business.


cman: Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point


Yep. Same with that "deer crossing" phone call that people are forwarding around now.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:15 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:31 PM  
Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM
 
2012-11-08 03:04:33 PM  

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Willful ignorance is well willful ignorance.
 
2012-11-08 03:04:40 PM  
What a dick
 
2012-11-08 03:04:51 PM  
Here's to this gentleman getting outed and receiving the scorn he so richly deserves.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:25 PM  

Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Seriously?
 
2012-11-08 03:05:26 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes


Nope. You're confusing right to work with "at will". Totally different.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:27 PM  
I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?
 
2012-11-08 03:05:29 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:49 PM  
The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:50 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The guy is either in the construction or lawncare business (though given there aren't too many lawns
in Vegas I'll say construction), and I'm kind of shocked he has that many hispanic employees that
he isn't paying under the table.


Lawn care in Vegas is actually pretty big. Given that it's hot as hell 33% of the time, and the ground itself is only a notch or two softer than granite, many people don't mess with their own lawns regardless of size. I see several crews in my small neighborhood on a daily basis.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:51 PM  

Wook: You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....


I call bullshiat.
no one has ever in the history of the united states built a company from the ground up.
company's either spring forth directly from the roads and other infrastructure that these hard working but unsuccessful liberal farkers pay for with their earned income credits or are simply handed down from rich old white men that exploited slaves or serfs to create them.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:01 PM  

NutWrench: Seriously?


Quite.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:26 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


David, from Vegas, is that you?
 
2012-11-08 03:06:28 PM  
Done in two. What an asshat
 
2012-11-08 03:06:29 PM  

Wook: He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Good. Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Next time, gripe about how building codes are preventing him from putting up that 10,000 sq ft lean-to with an extension cord running to it.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:39 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


True that. Good thing I am half Messican, which brings me up to 4/5ths of a white man. I get more privileges.
 
2012-11-08 03:06:51 PM  
Say what you will about the guy but this is probably the only campaign promise that's kept.

/voted BO
// what? I'm fired?
 
2012-11-08 03:06:54 PM  

NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?


yeah, seriously
 
2012-11-08 03:07:13 PM  
I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:13 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Well, since the "your friend" has under 50 employees his company is not required to pay any fines. Also, since there are under 25 employees there are tax credits for offering insurance for the employees.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:29 PM  

skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously


EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:31 PM  
Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:39 PM  

Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.


Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:11 PM  
If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:14 PM  
I guess "David" the plumber's business ain't doing so good.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:36 PM  
Another self-proclaimed "job creator" who seems to have difficulty with the business concept of increasing volume and profits. Why do so many "job creators" have such a problem with profit creation? A tad weird eh?

But that is not what this is about. I would bet this clown has low paid workers that he maximizes in all sorts of ways and reaps the profits. At the point when he is confronted with treating workers like human beings, out come the Obama conspiracy theories and of course, there is an all too willing media waiting with a microphone in hand.

Maybe the guy has some real issues with cashflow. At the same time if one's business is dependent on scraping the bottom of the barrel just to stay afloat, it is a signal of a far larger problem than having to offer healthcare and treating people with respect.

This a$$ will land on his feet and I am sure has a plan in place. I would bet his little call to the radio station is less of a plea for help (if that is what it was supposed to be) and more of yet another pathetic attempt to blame Obama for his lack of business acumen.
 
2012-11-08 03:09:55 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:03 PM  
I'm just laying here in bed, reading this article Bar to Refaeli. Oh, we're not together. This is strictly a physical thing.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:20 PM  

relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.


that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state
 
2012-11-08 03:10:28 PM  

Wook: jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.

Willful ignorance is well willful ignorance.


Bullshiat is bullshiat.

Anyone who knows anything about business knows this story is utter bullshiat.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:29 PM  
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What will republicans do with all their spare time?
 
2012-11-08 03:10:46 PM  
Sounds almost trolly enough to be a lib doing the 'Republicans really are this stupid' stick.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:49 PM  
Another example of the Brother man keeping whitey down, I'm sure.
 
2012-11-08 03:10:55 PM  
I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?
 
2012-11-08 03:11:03 PM  
Vegas employer follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins

He threatened to change his diet if Obama won?
 
2012-11-08 03:11:30 PM  
I'm not sure what all you kids are talking about, because the guy owns the company: He can do whatever he pleases. Call him asinine, go ahead, he's got a company and you don't.

Seriously, I respect social programs on some level, but the ideas you guys have about running a business are absolutely naive.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:32 PM  
I was going to make $251,000 next year, but my accountant told me that I will be in a higher tax bracket and therefore make less money so I have decided to become a janitor instead.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:33 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: What he's saying is: I laid off 22 employees because when I am forced to either give them healthcare or pay a penalty, I am choosing to pay the penalty, so I need to start saving my money now for being a hsitbag employer to my messican workers. After all, they're brown, which only makes them like 2/5ths or 3/5ths of a white man.


Or he runs narrow margins and the penalty is more affordable. but you be sure to whisper sweet nothings to that chicken while you keep farking it.
 
2012-11-08 03:12:15 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


i suspect your friend is going to pass on those Obamacare costs to his employees. just as they pay for whatever insurance coverage program they have right now, as well as medicare, medicaid and what 5-7 other deductibles that come out of a standard pay check. the great unwashed tax payer working slob takes it up the tail pipe cradle to grave. nothing new under the sun. could be worse, count your blessings. they don't have NASCAR and freedom of religion in a lot of countries. but i think your friend is blowing smoke up your keister.
 
2012-11-08 03:12:47 PM  

bulldg4life: There's a prominent Farker on this site that discussed how his boss was struggling and wasn't going to be able to invest in his company or donate equipment to a school because of Obama's dreadful policies. Some lawyer came in the thread and pointed out that everything the boss "wasn't" doing was actually tax deductible and had no connection to tax raises one way or the other.



Are you sure you are telling that story correctly? Because in most situations the "lawyers'" advice is not accurate, ie., good luck getting a "tax deduction" for fully depreciated equipment.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:02 PM  
I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:14 PM  
His remaining employees are going to have to cover for the absence. I hope they are not on salary.
 
2012-11-08 03:13:22 PM  

skullkrusher: relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.

that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state


I know what it means.
just putting the two Standford law review kids together.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:24 PM  
If it's true, this is how revolutions start.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:24 PM  

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins, by claiming he fired people, while not offering any proof he actually did.


There. Fixed.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:25 PM  
I am thinking about buying a plumbing business that makes $250,000 a year, but if there are any taxes associated with income then I will just remain unemployed instead.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:35 PM  
In short:

Deep!
 
2012-11-08 03:14:46 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link
 
2012-11-08 03:14:54 PM  
This is the Emergency Bullshiat Alert System. This is not a test.

This story and the people featured in it are full of shiat.

This has been an announcement by the Emergency Bullshiat Alert System. Carry on.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:07 PM  
So apparently since the election one actor found work thanks to Obama.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:16 PM  

RyansPrivates: ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins, by claiming he fired people, while not offering any proof he actually did.

There. Fixed.


Exactly. Show me a documented case and we'll talk.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:32 PM  
Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:51 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I am thinking about buying a plumbing business that makes $250,000 a year, but if there are any taxes associated with income then I will just remain unemployed instead.


Joe the Plumber? That bid for a govt job came up short I guess.
 
2012-11-08 03:15:55 PM  

relcec: skullkrusher: relcec: skullkrusher: NutWrench: Eddy Gurge: edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?

Seriously?

yeah, seriously

EdNortonsTwin 2012-11-08 02:56:32 PM
Let the ACLU attorney drooling begin.

that's not what "right to work" means though. More applicable would be whether it is an at-will employment state

I know what it means.
just putting the two Standford law review kids together.


o
 
2012-11-08 03:16:11 PM  
"Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:43 PM  

tripleseven: In short:

Deep!


Damn you auto correct...

Its actually funnier I suppose.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:43 PM  
I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:47 PM  
That's great I hired 44 people because Obama won.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:53 PM  

stuhayes2010: If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.


You said would twice.

Stop it.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:54 PM  

GreenSun: Well the guy made his point. With the new stuff coming in, his business will have to pay for more things and as a result, he won't be able to handle it with the amount of people he has employed. If he didn't fire those people, the entire company will be affected and everything will go to hell, everyone of them will suffer. He had to make this sad choice of firing those people for the sake of everyone else.

I don't think this is a simple childish move that goes along the lines of "Wah my presidential choice lost, so now I make some people suffer just because I don't like losing waaaah!". It was made after analyzing what would happen if a certain candidate won and he found out that with Obama's plans, his business won't be able to survive the way it is now. He had to fire some people for the business to continue.

I don't think the story deserves the Asinine tag, it deserves the SAD tag because business owners will have to face the reality of extra payments to be done which will definitely affect everything.


Bridge to sell you, I have.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:32 PM  

Argyle82: 17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


Haha. Go yell that at a OWS demonstration.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:46 PM  

Jacobin: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


I had someone actually interested in buying a business from me the other day and they started talking about how they weren't sure what they wanted to do and may have to wait till after the election to figure out how to adjust the financials for Obamacare. There were like 20 employees. Jesus people educate yourself before you toss this shiat out there, it makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:58 PM  
Maybe it was one of those businesses that cleaned out evicted homes..
 
2012-11-08 03:18:04 PM  

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


State-run economics didn't work out so well for the Ukrainians ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:18:13 PM  
I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.
 
2012-11-08 03:18:52 PM  

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


No. It's the usual game of blaming everything on Obama whether or not he had anything to do with it. It's called shifting the blame.

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


And what would happen to one of his employees who got sick if he was allowed to keep on providing fake health insurance?

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


More likely the Tea Party.

skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM


And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:03 PM  
He may be a troll, but he's getting support. It lowers my opinion of republicans.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:05 PM  

Wook: Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.


Your friend doesn't understand that any Obamacare related requirements and penalties don't kick in until 2014? Sounds like a pretty piss-poor business owner.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:17 PM  
Perhaps there is no better thread than this to mention a recent relevant incident.

As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!", she wailed. "It's the end of the world. The end of the world!".

I was just trying to find the MOO milk, and then I found it, and turned to her and held up the carton, and smiled and said, "MOO milk!". (It's that really good local organic milk.) And she just stopped her depressive rambling rant cold and said, "Oh yeah, that's hard to find."

I knew she meant Obama. I just walked away.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:46 PM  
I think he needs to taco nother look at what he did so spite the president.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:59 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


They were hispanic, so odds are good.
 
2012-11-08 03:20:09 PM  
Sure he did. Mr. Snuggles, Muffin, Winky, Dr. Bobo and the rest of the stuffed animals were devastated, but he just couldn't afford to sew on any more button eyes or keep the doll hospital open any longer.
 
2012-11-08 03:20:19 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Um, no.

What you're describing is "at-will employment," which is what you are pretty much anywhere in the US if you don't have a contract. You can quit for any reason, and you can be fired for virtually any reason (including no reason at all).

"Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."
 
2012-11-08 03:20:29 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


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2012-11-08 03:20:45 PM  

Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


Tell that to the 20.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:28 PM  

factoryconnection: "Paying for Obamacare." That just means "my health insurance premiums have risen" or "now I have to pay for health insurance for these dirty apes."

Damn, it does suck living in a developed country, and certainly more so to run a business in one. Certainly no business has ever succeeded while providing health insurance, and no business has ever faltered before Obamacare was enacted. I'm sure this totally real employer in Vegas has this totally real problem, when he totally called in to brag about it on the radio.


be nice if we didn't have to get insurance through the good graces of our f*cking employers though now, wouldn't it?
it is a thoroughly shiat system, probably the very worst out of all the highly developed welfare nations in the world. what century is this?
maybe in the next universe over the u.s has it there, but now it isn't ever coming here.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:38 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
 
2012-11-08 03:21:44 PM  
Someone once said, elections have consequences.
 
2012-11-08 03:22:55 PM  
I love how out of one side of his mouth he goes on and on about how he puts the well being of his employees ahead of his own and out of the other he is basically saying that his business comes first.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:09 PM  

Coelacanth: The local CBS affiliates over in North Las Vegas are nicknamed 'Klan Radio' for a good reason as you just heard. Why they're focusing on this and not on some of the other late night other crap I've listened to from time to time I don't know (Obama building a cloned commando army of John Wayne Gacys in Area 51 being my current favorite) . I'm pretty sure it's staged.


This is brilliant. We can call them the Crawlspace Corps. Is there anywhere I can stream this?
 
2012-11-08 03:23:11 PM  
Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:19 PM  
I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:29 PM  

Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt


Butthurt and Confused
 
2012-11-08 03:23:32 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Let me fix your lapel for you....there ya go.

Next time do a little homework before you just make shiat up.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:41 PM  

Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.


So you like unemployment?
 
2012-11-08 03:23:43 PM  

GiantBat: Not_Todd: I'm sure all 22 will get green jobs right away. Sweeping up dust bunnies at Solyndra or some other failed eco-firm Bam Bam threw our money at.

Maybe they can get a job mopping up the tears of Romney voters.


Hate them both but so much this.
 
2012-11-08 03:23:52 PM  

BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


You suck at teh maths.
 
2012-11-08 03:24:25 PM  

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


He has proven this fact several times over. Every time this person speaks, stupidity reigns.
 
2012-11-08 03:24:59 PM  
So for those of you keeping track at home, it's now:

Obamacare - 22
Global Economic Meltdown Caused By Mega-Banks Playing Fast And Loose With The Subprime Mortgage Markets: 2.6 million

We'll be right back after this brief message from Bank of America.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:00 PM  

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.


In what way?
 
2012-11-08 03:25:02 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Agreed. Being called "ignorant" by you is something I am proud of.

I might've even made a button and wear it on my lapel but I'd have to explain it to people who didn't read this thread so I guess I won't bother. I guess "Anonymous internet jerk called me 'ignorna' for voting for Obama" might work.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:23 PM  

mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.


Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.
 
2012-11-08 03:25:28 PM  

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


If he's feeding his family with his business net profit, he's doing it wrong.
 
2012-11-08 03:26:23 PM  

Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.


*rolleyes*

/was a joke
 
2012-11-08 03:26:23 PM  

MmmmBacon: I don't buy it. This smacks of Internet Tough Guy to me.


This is what I was thinking while reading the article. I'm pretty sure that "David" doesn't own a business and is just out trolling reporters..
 
2012-11-08 03:26:59 PM  
i wonder if someone would dig up the article of some guy's twitter feed threatening this. it had cc'd emails to his employees and everything. it was a few months ago and i thought for sure this was a followup based on the headline. might not be, but it popped into my head.
 
2012-11-08 03:27:43 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Reminds me of how my old-high school friends who found me on Facebook all, miraculously, became small business owners who were tired of Obama two weeks after his inauguration.

If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

It's all they do.

It's all they have,

Their day consists of being lied to while listening to the radio. Being lied to while watching TV. They lie to each other.

They have so many shared delusions, it's actually kind of funny.

So, anyway, if this moron is telling the truth, that makes him the only honest Republican out there.


Woah, dude, lay off the koolaid. You're exceeding your derp limit.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:01 PM  
I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well
 
2012-11-08 03:28:16 PM  
I hope karma does its work quickly and harshly on that guy.

And I hope the media captures it for my enjoyment.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:28 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:51 PM  

ZAZ: Vegas employer anonymous talk show caller follows up with his threat to fire people if Obama wins.


The big strong boot-strappy conservative is afraid to give his name? I seriously doubt this is real.
 
2012-11-08 03:28:59 PM  

dabbletech: stuhayes2010: If Romney would have won, obamacare would still go into effect.

You said would twice.

Stop it.


"If Romney had won, obamacare would still have gone into effect."

Third conditional
 
2012-11-08 03:29:02 PM  
What really put that interview into troll hyperdrive was claiming that most of his employees were Hispanic.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:25 PM  
Well the good thing about B-Rock the Islamic Shock being re-elected? While the market has been tanking, my stock in Ruger rose 4 bucks a share!
 
2012-11-08 03:29:29 PM  

way south: What the US has now bears little resemblance to a free market.


Don't bother.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:33 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."
 
2012-11-08 03:29:44 PM  

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...
 
2012-11-08 03:29:48 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


Good thing you brought facts and figures to back up your baseless claim.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:49 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.
 
2012-11-08 03:29:57 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


So you have private flood insurance?
 
2012-11-08 03:29:59 PM  

BgJonson79: In what way?


Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"
 
2012-11-08 03:30:25 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:27 PM  

skullkrusher: Loren: skullkrusher: Well I have my own business and I hired 100 new employees because Obama was re-elected

/Skullkrusher's Brown Shirts and Jackboots EmporiumTM

And you would have hired 1,000 if Rmoney had won.

*rolleyes*

/was a joke


I think his post may have been a joke too.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:42 PM  

timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home


if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:45 PM  

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:31:02 PM  

cman: Yeah, I doubt this is true. DJs do stupid shiat for ratings.

case in point


I swear to God, I thought turkeys could fly!

/link disappoints
 
2012-11-08 03:31:05 PM  
Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:11 PM  

Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family


Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.
 
2012-11-08 03:31:22 PM  

This text is now purple: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

17 of them have jobs regardless. Only three people are getting screwed, not 20.


So if you're one of those three, that's fine?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:38 PM  

BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.


Your best subject was never math, was it?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:55 PM  

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


That seems like a resonable response.
 
2012-11-08 03:32:12 PM  

factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:29 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)
 
2012-11-08 03:32:56 PM  

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours


It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!
 
2012-11-08 03:32:58 PM  

BgJonson79: factoryconnection: BgJonson79: In what way?

Jesus, dude, the difference is 3 people, not 20 people. Likewise, an employer can reduce pay to balance out benefit contributions... but no it is all "OMG nothing's changed I have to fire half of my staff!"

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I assumed, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


OK Now, a train carrying 140 lbs of gelignite leaves Las Vegas travelling east at 62 miles per hour...
 
2012-11-08 03:33:02 PM  

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?


I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)
 
2012-11-08 03:33:35 PM  
The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.
 
2012-11-08 03:33:47 PM  

stuhayes2010: I'm not following his derp about having Hispanic employees. Could someone underp?


Republicans are blaming Obama's victory on the Hispanic voters. I guess this fictional tale couldn't pass up a chance to get a dig in on them too.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:01 PM  

semiotix: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.


Um no.

The Right to Work Law states that joining a union cannot be a condition of employment. In other words, you cannot be forced to join a union to work somewhere. That is the sum total of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:12 PM  

nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

The concept is a business with 17 employees with health insurance or the same business with 20 employees without it.

"Tell that to the three without a job" was the proper response.

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Someone on Fark telling someone else they were wrong? No way! :-)


Never! :-D
 
2012-11-08 03:34:29 PM  
The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:31 PM  
This guy's story sounds totally legit. People never get laid off for any reason other than OBAMA.

The newly unemployed people should write that down as the reason for their dismissal. Make sure it's all caps, so people know how strongly they feel about it.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:58 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


Like with farm subsidies!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:26 PM  

loki see loki do: Bullshiat.

"8.Obamacare does not apply to businesses with less than 50 employees. Larger businesses are required to offer health insurance, but receive tax credits to help employees pay premiums. In 2014, the tax credit increases to 50%."


Uh, I hate to be a contrarian, but his friend was ALREADY providing insurance coverage for his employees. Obamacare expands the coverage that small plans must provide (i.e. coverage for layabout kids until 26, pre-existing conditions, etc) which has already impacted the increase in health insurance premiums.

40%? No, but some? Yep.

You both get cookies, and have to give them to me.

Love ya!
 
2012-11-08 03:35:32 PM  

Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?


Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:36:18 PM  
I just hired 22 people because I'm expecting more services will be required to clean up all those tears of bitterness let out by tea-party douches. I may hire another 22 nurses aides to support the need for all their obvious butthurt, too.
 
2012-11-08 03:36:21 PM  

BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...


hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?
 
2012-11-08 03:36:29 PM  

teeny: I would love to see a business owner provide evidence of hardship due to Obamacare. My concerns about Obamacare are centered mostly around the ability of people to pay for a policy from an exchange because their employer won't.


My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

Your concern is going to be painful too though, especially for any companies that decide to stand on principle, eat the fines, and force their employees to go insurance shopping on their own (or pay a fine themselves.)
 
2012-11-08 03:36:39 PM  

Wellon Dowd: He also had to break up with his girlfriend.

You wouldn't know her. She lives in Canada.


And she's a model.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:04 PM  

Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.


why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be making at least 120k a year. not many companies have that as the average salary. in short, you plainly don;t have any idea what you are talking about. the average premium per employee for an american company is probably closer to 6500 a year than whatever you had in mind.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:09 PM  
I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:15 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


This! Do you libs understand how expensive it is now to fund a private team of commandos? Ever since Joe Biden started recruiting sexy, female bodyguards, the price that I pay for needed equipment like leather catsuits and stilletto boots has gone through the roof.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:16 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I wonder if the 22 who he fired had Democratic leanings.


If they were working for a living, it's quite possible.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:17 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Nightsweat: So you have private flood insurance?

Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!


Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:18 PM  

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in stories ad nauseum.


Yeah, this. If you can't be right, be wrong as loudly and as often as possible and there are people out there stupid enough to believe you.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:34 PM  

NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.


None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.
 
2012-11-08 03:37:59 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours

It's a trend.

But hey! You'll have "free" health insurance!


Solution, just change the definition in the law to be 25 hours per week.

A little-known section in the Obamacare health reform law defines "full-time" work as averaging only 30 hours per week, a definition that will affect some employers who utilize part-time workers to trim the cost of complying with the Obamacare rule that says businesses with 50 or more workers must provide health insurance or pay a fine.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:24 PM  

Flab: BgJonson79: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

In the IT world, that 2% could be greater then $300k...

hmmm...
2% = $300k.
100% = $15M

$15M / 17 employees = $889K per employee.

You sure about that?


My bad, I kept think 50 employees for some reason, in a small boutique firm, that kinda stuff.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:40 PM  
He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:42 PM  

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)


Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:47 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!


Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.
 
2012-11-08 03:39:22 PM  
Is this guy gonna blather on for 24 minutes about how his Facebook friends aren't also firing their imaginary employees like that Butterscotch-Schnapps-dog-butt woman from the other day?

Can you fire people in FarmVille?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:35 PM  

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.


In what ways?
 
2012-11-08 03:39:36 PM  

Joe Blowme: Someone once said, elections have consequences.


-Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-11-08 03:40:40 PM  

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


those 22 people are as fake as his company, so he'll remain safe in the bowels of his parent's home.
 
2012-11-08 03:40:41 PM  

PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.


I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.
 
2012-11-08 03:41:25 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


It's easy for you to PRETEND to be a business owner like you are doing. Your Farmville does not count. Since your profile shows no personal business info ,then your so called info is not worth the lying bag of shiat you voted for. IF you have a plus 1 million dollar insurance program for your "workers" then you must have 150 plus employees you pay 100% for. YOU are the 1% then ,asshole. Show your math
 
2012-11-08 03:41:52 PM  

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It doesn't kick in till then. Also there is likely to be "full time equivalent" rule put into effect to prevent smurfing to occur. Two 20 hour employees will count as one full timer. Also based upon the tax credit allowed especially for places with a lot of low wage workers, a business would be stupid to not offer health insurance.
 
2012-11-08 03:42:54 PM  

Joe Blowme: I do know for a fact that 3 fast food places here are telling workers they will have hours cut back to under 30 so they do not count for healthcare under obamacare rules that states full time is now 30 hours,but i thought that didnt kick in till 2014 as well


It'll cost more for businesses to hire and train new people to cover hours that can't be covered by sub-30 hour workers. So is there a net gain at all for the profit-at-all-costs-d!cks??
 
2012-11-08 03:43:08 PM  

JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.


There's no hate like libe-,...

... I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:17 PM  

drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.


wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?
 
2012-11-08 03:43:26 PM  

Nightsweat: Is Obama forcing me to buy this too?

CUT THE RED TAPE!!!

Just a point that the government provides flood insurance to CUT the costs. They got involved with it and costs went down. There are plenty of other examples.


I get your point. And it's a fair one. But, not quite fair, because, all this is doing is shifting my premiums to the taxpayers, (and the obligatory chunk that the government confiscated off the top to grease its own wheels.)
 
2012-11-08 03:43:28 PM  
Moo milk is hard to find.
Moo milk is hard to find.
 
2012-11-08 03:43:45 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The company I work for depends on people with money, spending it. We were slow, we're getting slower. That's not because a few rich pricks are being spiteful and counting their gold coins in a Mr. Scrooge like manner while flipping the President the bird. People aren't spending their money.

That's not Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist's fault. Our unfunded liabilities are of a scope that boggles people's minds. Scared people hoard. Economies shrink. People lose their jobs. This is not a new dynamic, concocted to make Obama look bad.

And don't tell me the Right Wing Noise machine is scaring people. My bank statements are scaring me, not the farking radio/TV.


Possibly because the only people with money to spend are in the upper-class? That's what we've been complaining about all this time. It's not just that rich people don't spend money, but that because of their greed, the middle class is shrinking, meaning fewer people have disposable income, and those who do generally have less of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:14 PM  

Dear Jerk: I was thinking of hiring more people, but if my profits keep rising, the taxes will kill my business.


I think this is the most succinct and accurate criticism of the lament of these moron whiners.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM  
The only thing that is going to teach people is about Republicans.
 
2012-11-08 03:45:04 PM  
See! proof that Obama kills jobs!

/By way of shiathead Republicans
 
2012-11-08 03:45:56 PM  

superfudge73: I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office

Gets in office?


This is the political equivalent to Lootie. If a white man is president, he was elected. If a homosexual-loving-Soshulist-Commuie-Marxist-atheist-Muslin BLACK man is president, he somehow got into the office.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:46 PM  

relcec:
in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


FARKIN REPUBLICAN MATH... HOW DOES IT WORK?!?!!!11!!1
 
2012-11-08 03:46:53 PM  

BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?


Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:56 PM  

Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.


I just fired mine. The dog too.
 
2012-11-08 03:46:58 PM  

This text is now purple: NickelP: You mean like limiting insurance companies profits, making them refund excessive administration costs to the insured, capping premium increases, reforming medicare, creating exchanges to allow for more easily selection of plans forcing more competition between companies, requiring insurance so providers have to pick up less in unpaid treatments (which get passed on to everyone else with more overhead costs added), and requiring the plans available to actually cover shiat so people aren't paying into scam plans that do nothing? Just to name a few. God damn you people go straight from 'why don't they make health care more affordable' to 'every private company won't be able to provide healthcare are the reduced cost' so fast, PICK ONE.

None of those do anything about the fundamental driver for health care costs -- the cost of actual health care.

Those all address the insurance profit side, which is large, but just a percentage of the underlying currently fixed cost.


Everything is a percentage ;) They also are adding taxes on medical devices (ie the more cool shiat device wise they come up with the better funded all these programs will be), some stuff about controlling prescription drug cost and many other things. I think the medicare/caid stuff really is meant to be the primary driver of lowering health care costs. I think the private insurers will following the government pay out schedules. They also are starting to really look at end of life care and the costs associated with it. I don't know what to tell you, insurance costs are a pretty big part of healthcare, and this should reduce them, it also reduced some of the other fundamental costs. Does it go far enough? Well shiat everytime they just want to think about maybe looking at end of life care fox news goes all death panel and it is impossible to discuss why health care costs so much in an intelligent manor. If you are pissed that health care isn't being reformed enough then take it up with the R's.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:04 PM  

Gosling: He's only anonymous until the 22 people he just fired outs him.


Except--according to the "boss"--they're just a bunch of stupid mexicans that didn't understand his repeated attempts to "educate" them. They're probably too stupid to use a computer.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:39 PM  
Anyone who overstaffs their company by 20% is an idiot.

You should have been running leaner already, dumbass. Have fun in bankruptcy court.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:59 PM  

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


After you get back from the Gym, of course.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:02 PM  

give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.


Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.
 
2012-11-08 03:48:37 PM  

FarkingReading: I'm a VP at a company that makes digital camera parts. I don't know much about that part of it, which is why I oversee HR, PR and security.

We've been planning a massive expansion into Maryland. We'd be moving about 50 employees' families there and hiring roughly 75 more.

But because Obama won, we're disbanding the company, loading guns and plan on running through the streets murdering as many people as possible. We're then going to build a bonfire and roast the bodies and eat them. I'm going to go after children and puppies exclusively. "Operation Obama Caused This" begins in 26 minutes.


Dear FarkingReading,

Reading your post is like a dream come true. I would like to volunteer my services to participate in your upcoming Operation. I appreciate you are busy and look forward to receiving details when you have time. Sincere thanks.

/deadtom thank you for the TF!!!
 
2012-11-08 03:49:21 PM  

semiotix: Englebert Slaptyback: "Right to work" is the euphemism that stands in for anti-union laws. If your state makes it difficult or impossible to form a union, or for your union to collect dues, or for your union to spend the dues it collects, you live in a "right to work" state.

The reason you might be confused is that for most of us, joining a union is the only thing keeping us from "at-will employment."


Nonsense. "Right to work" means that I, as an employee, cannot be *forced* to join a union if I join a unionized shop, and that is *all* it means.
 
2012-11-08 03:49:43 PM  
Time for someone to post the "Thanks Obama" cartoon I've seen here before.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:14 PM  
I was part of a mass lay off the day after Obama was first elected in 2008. Would have happened eventually anyway, as business and the economy in general had been sucking for months. But still, suspicious timing. My current job is also chock full of hardcore republicans so I came to work yesterday a tad worried.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:20 PM  
FarkingReading


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Actually my dad has the family business (I'm in another line of work). He has about 10 employees.

It's a machine shop.

Things are going well. He's hiring.

Elections do have consequences.


Let me guess. He has a union shop, he has a gov't contract and Obama exempted his employees union.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:39 PM  

ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.


Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

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2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


I'm sure there's a million other explanations about why your comment is absurdly wrong, but I'll add another.

Even *if* your friend didn't purchase the equipment or hire 3 more people, he still hired people.

How? Well, if you are telling the truth, he instead spent that money on healthcare... which means that doctors, nurses, insurance companies, etc. saw more money than *they* were expecting and had to hire additional help. Even if they didn't hire additional employees, *someone* got more money in their pocket, and that someone probably spent it on a good or service they wouldn't have without the money, and the person they bought it from spent it on another good or service they wouldn't have purchased... all the way down the line.

The only way someone wasn't hired or additional goods weren't purchased is if that money spent on healthcare went right back into a bank collecting dust or overseas to another country like China. But again, that means more people hired in China, which increases demand elsewhere.

So, yes, you and your friend have little to no understanding of basic economics.
 
2012-11-08 03:50:49 PM  
A guy who actually keeps his promises and still people are biatching. Typical.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM  
I would love to put this on my resume. Reason for termination: Obama got re-elected.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:01 PM  

MythDragon: JackieRabbit: Someone should put a bullet between that little coont's eyes, so he won't have to worry about Obamacare hurting his pathetic business.

That seems like a resonable response.


To do that they'll have to buy a gun first.

/and the Gun market is escalating faster than gold thanks to Obama.
/There's just no escaping the man.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:09 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


Awesome post!
 
2012-11-08 03:51:23 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Really? My health care expenses have dropped nearly 15% over the past year freeing up nearly $170k and I've picked up 5 new workers. So your friend is either a goddamn idiot that shouldn't be running a business in the first place or a liar. I'll let you decide.


Great point. Apparently one consequence of this election is to weed out many of the idiots who should not be running their own companies.

Running a business means being flexible enough to deal with external factors like new competition and legislation. If a new policy enacted by the governement is putting you into a financial crisis, it's an indication that you didn't do a particularly good job of building your business.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:30 PM  

Endive Wombat: This is nothing more than a planned layoff while taking a stab at the president. Obamacare would not have disappeared over night had Mittens won. It will likely be chipped away at for the next 10 years.

In short: this guy is an idiot.


Obamacare has not really even kicked in, not where it would affect him financially.

In short: this guy is just a dick.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:38 PM  

Headso: Smells like bullshiat, "owner" of the company is a fat loser calling from his mom's basement.


This.
 
2012-11-08 03:52:21 PM  

HAMMERTOE: GranoblasticMan: Like with farm subsidies!

Interesting point, seeing as how most farms are being sold off to huge conglomerates because of the Inheritance Tax. Oh, and also how the price of corn, (ant the steaks that fed off that corn,) has skyrocketed, thanks to ethanol subsidies.


This is a big pile of something that can be found in abundance on lots of family farms.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:28 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


... no

Right to work = you can not be compelled to join a union as a condition of employment
Work at will = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes, not withstanding any existing labor agreement.
 
2012-11-08 03:53:53 PM  

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

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i think my neighbors heard me laughing at that. that is awesome.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:39 PM  

relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...


Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.
 
2012-11-08 03:54:44 PM  

GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: GranoblasticMan: BgJonson79: Argyle82:

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

Your best subject was never math, was it?

I was assuming it was one business with 17 and another with 20, not the same business at a difference. I also figured whichever one I chose, someone else would tell me I was wrong ;-)

Then your reading skills AND understanding of the issue being discussed here are both atrocious.

In what ways?

Because a business with 37 employees having to fire 17 would mean they've laid off 46% of their workforce. Unless they were being paid only in health insurance benefits, there's no way they would need to cut their workforce nearly in half.


I thought we were talking about 17 or 20 people working at the same place with or without healthcare?
 
2012-11-08 03:54:55 PM  

James!: If you have 22 employees you just don't need then you're an idiot.


Depends. Might you need them in the near term and are they hard to replace or train? If so, then you may keep them on in anticipation of future need. Now that the election has given him a clearer view of the road ahead, he knows they won't be needed and that carrying them anyway would just end up hurting his bottom line, so they're out. That's how business works. Unless you're a Solyndra, in which case you keep on doing what you're doing until you fail, then you stick the taxpayers with as much of the tab as you can arrange.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:07 PM  
Jacobin


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Ignorance? Your "friend" with "17 employees" is not required to comply since he has fewer than 50 employees. So tell him to go ahead and buy that equipment and hire those people (smirk)

Link


Not ignorance, your reading comprehension is a little wanting. His friend's company already provides health insurance to its 17 workers. His premiums have increased as a result of provisions for Obamacare. Thus, more expense for same level of work, no expansion.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:17 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


Even in case "b" the employee would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:40 PM  

teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?


It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.
 
2012-11-08 03:55:42 PM  

Flab: relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to ...


Or, he's choosing belief over profit. Isn't that what we're trying to encourage people to do?
 
2012-11-08 03:56:02 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

Even in case "b" the employee employer would have to pony up for unemployment though...well maybe not if they were chronically late, that might be considered a legit "for cause" reason, but for the most part if you are laid off you will qualify for unemployment.


/FTFM
 
2012-11-08 03:56:04 PM  

relcec: PsiChick: Onkel Buck: What a dirty rotten bastard for wanting to make a profit so he can take care of his own family

Or illegally firing people. One of the two.

/Because I'm pretty sure connecting this to the election makes it illegal.
//NV: Not a right-to-work state.

I'm pretty sure you'd do better never trying to wrap your pretty little head around what constitutes wrongful termination again.


...Well, that wasn't offensive or anything.

/I didn't know people actually said shiat like that anymore unless they were joking.
 
2012-11-08 03:57:49 PM  

drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."
 
2012-11-08 03:58:22 PM  

Vectron: Snort: Smells like bullshiat to me.

I killed my cat because Obama won.

I just fired mine. The dog too.


Whatever it takes to get below 50.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:09 PM  

mainstreet62: ristst: give me doughnuts: The comments below the article are a real Fistful of Derp.

Ya beat me to it. Man that's some good butthurt there. Better than Fox News Election nite coverage butthurt.

Yeah, I really wanted to post this in response in the Disqus section:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 425x618]


"Teabilly farksticks" is going to be the name of my Toby Keith tribute band.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:22 PM  
The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.
 
2012-11-08 03:59:26 PM  

kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?
 
2012-11-08 03:59:39 PM  

Cargo: Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt

Butthurt and Confused


Incense And Butthurt
Butthurt Woman
I Fought The Butthurt, And The Butthurt Won
Comfortably Butthurt
Friends In Butthurt Places
House Of Butthurt
Who'll Stop the Butthurt
Afternoon Butthurt
Butthurt in The Sky
 
2012-11-08 04:00:14 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


You sir are a liar. I don't even need to mock you. Not even haha untrue, just boring typical uncreative conservative untrue. Yawn.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:39 PM  
kg2095 Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.


Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that for a while.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:41 PM  
In more ways than one:

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2012-11-08 04:00:55 PM  

BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?


Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.
 
2012-11-08 04:01:49 PM  

Shmeat: The great irony of the election of 2012 is that united citizens defeated Citizens United.


But... money doesn't win elections. People win elections, and popular people get the most money. At least according to NPR's Marketplace ;-)
 
2012-11-08 04:01:57 PM  

GranoblasticMan: drop: teeny: drop: I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer.

wat

I guess I could understand if you were working for your buddy's business that he launched 8 months ago. But what other possible reason could you have for being so illogically altruistic?

It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

I can't facepalm enough for this post... Someone misses the whole point of "insurance."


Chances of myself or anyone else in particular needing insurance are low. That's how it works. The healthy players subsidize the costs of the few that need it. I haven't missed the point, you just don't seem to understand how or why it works. You also entirely missed the point of the post, which is that it was my choice (agree or disagree with it) to participate in the market or not. In 2014 that choice is effectively taken away and becomes "participate or pay a fine" which is simply outrageous.

Maybe all the face-palming is causing some damage, go easy.
 
2012-11-08 04:02:28 PM  

Canned Tamales: BgJonson79: nyrkah1: BgJonson79: Argyle82: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

17 employed people with access to health care is better than 20 employed without heathcare.

Tell that to the 20.

You suck at teh maths.

In what way?

Like a $2 crack whore with no teeth.


I was assuming && not ||.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:37 PM  

Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.


Uh, I've seen the premiums go down about 10% and the average premium per month for each employee at my place of work is 264 dollars. What kind of insurance is your friend buying? He must be getting ripped the eff off.

/also, I work at a small company with only 20 employees
 
2012-11-08 04:03:39 PM  

Great_Milenko: timujin: Wait, an anonymous dude claims he runs a business "mostly employing Hispanics" that can afford to lay off 20% of its workforce? Wow, that's some stellar reporting, Chet.

Here's the problem, if he isn't making the same amount of money off of the labor of those 22 that he is on the other 92, then he's been doing it wrong. If he can fire them without impacting his bottom line, he's been doing it wrong. If losing that percentage of his workforce doesn't reduce his company's income, he's been doing it wrong.

/those three sentences are pretty much synonymous, but I wanted to drill the point home

if this is even real, he probably hires those jerks who hand out porn flyers on the strip.


Oh, yeah, probably. Not like 22 fewer of those would make a dent, but 114 might. Now I really hope that his entire business fails.

/sorry, folks, but there has to be a better way to make a living than snapping cards at me every three feet.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM  

Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce


One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:08 PM  

drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.


Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....
 
2012-11-08 04:04:23 PM  
I personally know a doctor who said he's going to quit practicing medicine because of ObamaCare and then start cutting himself just so he can feel something.
 
2012-11-08 04:04:48 PM  

Flab



relcec: Flab: Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

Your friend needs to fire his accountant.

If he was planning on hiring three more employees and buy $200,000 in new equipment, it's because he was planning on getting more business where that new equipment and these new hires would more than pay for themselves, or else he wouldn't have made that investment in the first place.

Also, the insurance premiums going up 40% means they went from being 5% of an employee's salary to being 7% of an employee's salary, or something equivalent.

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over a 2% increase in expenses, he's a moron.

why do you think health insurance is a 2% increase in expense? I personally know of a company that spends close to 11k per employee on health insurance in the Milwaukee area (they came to a company do work for sometimes and asked them if we created a selfpay insurance policy how much a year). if they are similar to the rest of their industry, wages are by far their biggest expense and they probably pay around the median wage in that area which I'm just guessing could be close to 42k per year. now this company was full of older fat wisconsin males who were none to healthy, but look at the f*cking census tables, america is older than it has ever been before an insurance is extremely expensive even for healthy single people.

in order for your estimation of the average employee healthcare expense to be worth 5% of their total salary those employees would have to be makin ...

Ok. fine. I admit I don't know how much health insurance costs that employer. Let's use your numbers.

11k in premiums for a salary of 42k. Each employee costs the guy $53K/year.
Premiums go up by 40%, that means that each employee now costs him $4.4k more per year.

$4400/53000 = 8.3%

So let me rephrase what I wrote earlier:

If he's willing to forego $300,000 in increased revenues over an 8% increase in expenses, he's a moron.



Where did the $300,000 amount come from and what is the guys gross margin.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:02 PM  
I had forgotten that Fark still had the capacity to shock me with stupidity.
There are actually multiple posters ITT who think this is real.
Jesus H Motherf**king Christ on a Pogo Stick.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:24 PM  
If this is true, and there are plenty of indications it's not, he probably runs a landscaping business and the 22 "mostly hispanic" people he 'fired' are actually a couple of pickup trucks full of illegals that he hires and lays off every day while paying them subsistent wages.
 
2012-11-08 04:05:30 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: drop: It's not altruistic. It saves the company money, and it saves me money (at least until 2014). I'm a healthy guy.

Good thing it's impossible for you to ever be involved in a serious accident, then.

Oh, wait....


Woosh. The point sails clear over another ones head.
 
2012-11-08 04:06:20 PM  
I don't blame him.Damn libs had it coming!
 
2012-11-08 04:06:24 PM  
Four well-dressed men sitting together at a vacation resort.

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup ' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof.

GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!

TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!

MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph.

EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpolin, but it was a house to US.

GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!

TG: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.

MP: Cardboard box?

TG: Aye.

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..
 
2012-11-08 04:06:37 PM  

Godscrack: The Butthurt Remains The Same
And Butthurt Goes On
Endless Butthurt
Whole Lotta Butthurt
Smells Like Teen Butthurt


Keep On Rockin' Butthurt In The Freeworld
Norweigan Butthurt
Same Old Song and Butthurt
Cheeseburger In Butthurt
Dark Side Of The Butthurt
Ace Of Butthurt
Butthurt Calling
Butthurt By The Dashboard Light
Freebutthurt
One Bourbon, Once Scotch and One Butthurt
Du Butthurt
Eighteen and Butthurt
 
2012-11-08 04:07:34 PM  

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


Australia has a lower GDP per capita than the US does. Not sure where that dude is getting his facts. Also, demographics, check em out and wonder why the US is doing poorly in certain areas.....
 
2012-11-08 04:08:06 PM  
Oh yeah? I just hired 20 million zillion workers because Obama won. Now give me a news piece.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:13 PM  
He's probably a Freeper. They were all threatening to do this on election night because of course they're all job creators. There was one claiming that his company hired a "librul" a few months ago just so they could fire him if Obama won. They all thought it was a great idea!
 
2012-11-08 04:08:37 PM  

Dear Jerk: Hector Remarkable
As I went to buy milk yesterday, a woman approached me in the dairy aisle and just started ranting at me. "The whole world's coming to an end! It's all crashing down around us!"...

That might be the same woman I passed in a market. She was looking at a package of hot dogs and I heard her say "Half the fat, half the calories? So confusing."
Was she old and white?


As a matter of fact, she was.
 
2012-11-08 04:08:42 PM  
Fark In The Duck Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 04:03:40 PM


Magorn: My Snopes-Sense is tingling on this story.

I heard another version of it, almost exactly identical except for details on C-SPAN radio this morning. In that case however the employer was supposedly an aircraft services company in Atlanta. Both "bosses" used nearly identical language when describing what they did and why. So either this is a hoax or a coordinated campaign by somebody like the US Chamber of Commerce

One of my buddies who is a hardcore "rightie", is convinced that Snopes.com is run by a liberally-biased, Obama-loving, crack-smoking, welfare-taking, group of hippies. No, really. He's serious.


One of my "lefty" friends thinks all Conservatives are vampires who want to suck the life force out of all poor people and minorities. He really believes this.

It's crazy. I guess this is just how Liberals are.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:26 PM  

jasimo: I have 154 employees and I'm hiring.

The economy is picking up and Obamacare is going to save me a bundle once it kicks in fully.

If Romney were hired I was going to lock the doors and burn the place down with everyone inside.


I gotta say, reminding people of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company is a great way to build support for Unions.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:59 PM  

Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.


So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?
 
2012-11-08 04:12:43 PM  

doubled99: kg2095 Smartest
Funniest
2012-11-08 03:44:50 PM


Wook: LOL @ you farkers. You guys doing the criticizing are obviously all successful businessmen that have built companies from the ground up....

Back in he real world.... My friend has 17 employees. He was planning to purchase 200K in equipment and hire 3 more people. However, his premiums to pay for Obamacare for his employees rose 40%. He is not hiring the 3 people and he's not buying the new equipment.

Elections do have consequences.

Go ahead and proudly wear your ignorance on your lapel and /mock away.

You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

Every single point you have laid out is 100% dead wrong. Incorrect.
That is a irrefutable fact.
Therefore, all your little ideas about politics and this country are wrong.

Just think about that fo ...


Factcheck:
CIA World Factbook has Australia's unemployment rate at 5.2% in 2010 and 5.1% in 2011.
Median household income is a bit off (A$66, 800), and the minimum wage is A$15.00/hour.
 
2012-11-08 04:12:47 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).


You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:23 PM  

tarheel07: Englebert Slaptyback: Eddy Gurge

edmo: Right to work state?

What does that have to do with anything?


Right to work = employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not related to any of a number of protected classes

Examples:

a) firing an employee specifically for being handicapped, gay, straight, black, white, etc is illegal

b) firing an employee for being late, wearing brown shoes, whining, or because someone got elected is not illegal

If these firings actually happened (which is highly suspect) then they ostensibly fell under b).

You can bet your sweet ass those former employees will be firing and receiving unemployment, though.


*filing, not firing. I need a beer.
 
2012-11-08 04:13:52 PM  
This is an Outrage!!!

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2012-11-08 04:14:38 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.


I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:20 PM  
drop: My concern is centered entirely on the fact that I intentionally opted *out* of health insurance to try and save the small company I work for some money. This is the third time I've done this for an employer. Under the ACA, I'm going to get fined for this behavior starting in 2014.

You're either a liar or an idiot. Health insurance is part of your compensation. Why don't you also agree to have your salary cut or work for less than the going rate, since you're so altruistic towards your company? Or maybe work for a company that isn't so close to the edge that a couple thousand dollars is the difference between staying open or closing?

What are you going to do if you get appendicitis tomorrow and have emergency surgery and end up with a $20k bill? Or you become ill and need medication that costs $400 a month?
 
2012-11-08 04:15:27 PM  
D'oh! As of July 1, 2012 the Australian minimum wage was A$15.96.

Need to double-check my checks.
 
2012-11-08 04:15:53 PM  

Ashrams: This is an Outrage!!!

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We don't need no steenking batches.

/just watched that movie.
 
2012-11-08 04:17:31 PM  

HAMMERTOE: kg2095: You are quite simply totally, completely and utterly wrong.

Point 1

Business taxes were higher during the Reagan years and the Clinton years. And both eras saw economic booms. That's right - taxes were higher during St Ronnie's administration. I'll bet Rush never told you that did he?

Point 2

Business taxes and costs were at their lowest of the modern era during the George W. Bush era. And we all know what happened to the economy during that time don't we? Tepid growth culminating in the meltdown of the banking industry.

Point 3

Australia has Universal Health Care, as well as Occupational Health and Safety Laws and Environmental Regulations that are far more comprehensive than those in the US. And a minimum wage of $16 per hour which is indexed for inflation.

So by your logic Australia should have a sky high unemployment rate, right?

Well actually no. Unemployment in Australia is 5.7% and the median income is $72,000 p.a.


You right wing authoritarians lost in a landslide and you will continue to lose as your ranks thin. The bigoted old codger demographic is dying out and there are not enough bigoted young codgers to replace them. And as a 50 year old white man I thank the imaginary sky wizard for that.

While I love to give Liberals grief for their insistence that the government is the cure to all ills, this is the best missive I've read all day. I can personally attest to the "thinning ranks" aspect because I used to be a Republican as well. Bush cured me. Romney inoculated me against any relapses. How the GOP could be so arrogant to brazenly nominate the poster-child for corporate greed as their candidate totally mystifies and perplexes me. Are they really that divorced from reality?


As a republican who has voted Democrat every time since President Bush's first time I believe so, they really can't believe people spend more time fact checking and back-grounding the candidates over just watching the commercials and picking the one they would rather date or grab a good ol' brew with...
 
2012-11-08 04:17:56 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Are they really that divorced from reality?


Yes. Yes they are.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:16 PM  

GAT_00: Proof #7,249 that the free market is not good.

learly we need less regulation so this happens more.


Proof #3,968,727,321,968,746,341,897 that you're a goddam idiot.

Clearly we need more regulation to fight against this imaginary problem.
 
2012-11-08 04:18:45 PM  

mccallcl: HAMMERTOE: mccallcl: Good. Forcing somebody else to pay for your Health care is more important than equipment. If he can't afford to provide insurance for the employees he already has then he shouldn't be hiring new ones.

Shouldn't the Affordable Healthcare Act have actually done something to make healthcare more affordable, rather than just shuffle money around as usual, all the while absorbing a good chunk of it to grease the government's wheels?

Every time the government gets involved in an enterprise, the cost of goods or services associated with that enterprise escalate. Watch and see.

I don't look to government to keep things I buy as cheap as possible. I look to government to prevent the US from slipping into "developing nation" status, and to protect me from institutions that do not represent my interests. If I don't buy stuff from companies that avoided providing insurance for their workers until now, I don't even see the cost increase. I do, however, receive the benefits of healthy Americans, which are many, including a lower tax burden from charity care expenses.

If you can't afford to provide health insurance, safe working conditions, the 40 hour workweek, or other basic operational resources, you can't afford to be in business. Close up shop, you will not be missed.


It should not be businesses' responsibility to provide health insurance. That is just stupid. You do realize health insurance through work is a fairly new thing, right? What is next, they have to provide housing? Food? Entertainment? Mandatory pensions?

You want universal health insurance? Fine. Do that. But tax everyone for it, don't make people pay for their own insurance AND pay for someone elses'. That is the whole thing libs don't get. That claim to want things to be fair, but what they want is free for some, double pay for anyone who works hard.
 
2012-11-08 04:19:27 PM  

peterthx: Vodka Zombie: If you haven't learned by now, Republicans lie.

So Obama closing Guantanamo Bay if elected in 2008 is a Republican lie?


Obama actually submitted plans for that, congress refused to budget it, because they have an irrational fear of money terrorists randomly exploding or something.
 
2012-11-08 04:20:13 PM  

jasimo: Get used to it, farkers.

These bogus "anonymous small business owners" are gonna be coming out of the woodwork for the next four years, biatching about the "hard choices" they have to make because of Obamacare/Obama's regulations/taxes/etc.

And Rush/Hannity/that tall chick with the Adam's apple/Rove/Norquist will feature them in s