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(The Daily Dolt)   Colorado governor harshes everyone's buzz: "Don't break out the Cheetos too quickly"   (thedailydolt.com) divider line 74
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2012-11-08 03:10:44 PM

ha-ha-guy: The theme I'm starting to see is the dispensary is always in the red. However the owner also owns a Party Store, Quik-E-Mart, or something in that vein and the latter is absurdly profitable. So the local guys get their taxes off the pot profit via the owner declaring them as Qik-E-Mart profit. However he income comes in via a method were you can deduct legit tax expenses. It's fraud, but the local and state governments look the other way since they still get the taxes and the IRS is unlikely to come out to North Buttfarkistan, Michigan to trace the actual revenue flow of the gas station and the weed place. The county treasurer could likely easily do it, but he knows whats going on and as long as the owner pays a fair share, the treasurer cashes the check and looks the other way.


So basically the Feds have succeeded in making it impossible to run a legal dispensary.
 
2012-11-08 03:14:16 PM

mutterfark: Martin Silenus: mutterfark: Martin Silenus: You marijuannaheads make me sick to my F*CKING stomach. Don't you know that statistically, people who smoke that funny tobacco leads to your testicles rotting off and heroin abuse? Liberal losers! Get a brain!

You are absolutely correct. Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse and LSD is the bomb that will blow your mind.

/just the facts

Stop trying to get into my head, reeferboy. I'm praying for you.

Genesis 1:29? Amen!


I'm not a fan of trash musicians like Phil Collins. Too extreme.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:05 PM
This thread smells like the art teacher's jacket.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:38 PM

Tom_Slick: So basically the Feds have succeeded in making it impossible to run a legal dispensary.


Enh, it's a constant battle. For awhile they were threatening the CC companies with charges if they let the dispensary take cards. So now every dispensary has an ATM out front. They threatened a lot of the big banks over small business loans, so now the local banks creatively do loans to people in ways that avoid the federal issues.

All pot needs to do for now is survive long enough for the state legislatures to get comfortable with the tax revenue from it and other states to want in on the action.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:26 PM

Tom_Slick: So basically the Feds have succeeded in making it impossible to run a legal dispensary.


Here in California, they're even going after the small dispensaries. Rather than raid the dispensary and arrest people, what they are doing instead is finding out who the landlord is for the property, and then threatening to confiscate the entire shopping center/commercial building under drug Under Asset Forfeiture Law. Basically forcing the landlord to evict the dispensary rather than risk getting his property seized.

Remember, under drug forfeiture laws, the police only have to allege the property is drug related in order to seize it. They don't have to press charges, they don't have to arrest anyone, all they have to do is allege it. Its then up to the property owner to sue to prove it shouldn't have been confiscated.

The lawsuits to get your stuff back run $15,000 to $60,000 in legal fees and take on average 3 years to be resolved (provided no appeals). 3 years is a lot of rental income for a landlord to lose.
 
rka
2012-11-08 03:28:01 PM
I wonder if CU is going to let the 4/20 smokers back on campus this upcoming spring.

Hell, how about a full on million-person 4/20 parade right through downtown Denver?
 
2012-11-08 03:31:05 PM
just look at how the feds have cracked down on our dipensaries and grow operations.
yeah, we will be fine.
also, dickenpooper, shut up. enjoy the will of your electorate.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:13 PM

rka: I wonder if CU is going to let the 4/20 smokers back on campus this upcoming spring.


nope
 
2012-11-08 03:40:31 PM

nekom: BunkyBrewman: The Feds aren't going to be knocking down stoners doors trying to confiscate a few joints.

No, but they likely WILL put the kibosh on any significantly large growing operation.


They haven't shown an inclination to here in Boulder. The city government has been friendly enough to growing operations that they now host a bunch of them for dispensaries in other cities. The mayor's actually grumbled about it because they don't get sales taxes from those businesses. And yet all that's happened is local cops shutting down unlicensed growers and the feds targeting dispensaries too close to schools.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:09 PM

rka: I wonder if CU is going to let the 4/20 smokers back on campus this upcoming spring.

Hell, how about a full on million-person 4/20 parade right through downtown Denver?


So long as you all stay in Denver. The fact that 36 is so jammed on 4/20 tells you who is actually participating. Remember, it was the student government who decided to shut the whole damn campus down for the day rather than let it happen last year.
 
rka
2012-11-08 03:44:28 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: rka: I wonder if CU is going to let the 4/20 smokers back on campus this upcoming spring.

nope


Yeah, I just read the Colorado Daily. It's a "crowd control problem" not a pot problem.
 
2012-11-08 03:47:15 PM

gilgigamesh: nekom: dr_blasto: No, they don't have to enforce federal laws.

I wouldn't have thought so, but I recall that question coming up re: illegal aliens in the past.

So what are we going to wind up with here? A brand new federal task force whose sole purpose is to enforce marijuana prohibition in the state of Colorado? That would likely be highly unpopular.

Probably nothing. Growing hasn't been legalized, and you aren't going to have the DEA rolling in to bust up frat parties.

And interesting and sinister tactic the feds have been enforcing in states with growing operations is using the IRS to deny them tax deductions for ordinary businesses expenses, on the theory that deductions have to be directed toward a lawful enterprise. And they are doing it retroactively, I believe, and sending growers tax bills for those deductions dating back to however long they've been around.


Really? I thought personal growing of 6 plants was part of it.
 
2012-11-08 03:51:12 PM
Is there a provision for how to determine DUI type enforcement regarding pot? I was under the impression it is hard to do a simple breath test. Are there standards in place for how much is "too much" by blood?

Of course officer discretion (like with booze) is important, but will the law be "officer determined you were impaired" with any amount of THC present?

/obligatory anti-cop/anti-MADD comment
//Really don't know these things and am just curious
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 03:55:02 PM
Is there a provision for how to determine DUI type enforcement regarding pot? I was under the impression it is hard to do a simple breath test. Are there standards in place for how much is "too much" by blood?

Nevada has numeric thresholds for a variety of illegal drugs. I'm told they were determined by finding the minimum measurable amount as of c. 2007 and writing it into law, as an alternative to a vague prohibition like "...with any detectable amount of (list of banned substances)."
 
2012-11-08 03:59:30 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I wonder which small town in Colorado with fading economic prospects will decide to become the Pot Tourism capital of the US first. And there's a LOT of old mining towns throughout the state that are trying to get tourism dollars to save the day.

Could be risky for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. But if it's a question of your town dying... somewhere will give it a shot.


Legalized gambling revitalized Cripple Creek and Blackhawk.

I can see Fairplay or Woody Creek or someplace like that doing it. Fairplay has the whole South Park thing going and Woody Creek has the ghost of Hunter Thompson haunting the tavern there.  I think he would have approved of Measure 64 but maybe not the commercialization of it.
 
2012-11-08 04:00:53 PM

ZAZ: Is there a provision for how to determine DUI type enforcement regarding pot? I was under the impression it is hard to do a simple breath test. Are there standards in place for how much is "too much" by blood?

Nevada has numeric thresholds for a variety of illegal drugs. I'm told they were determined by finding the minimum measurable amount as of c. 2007 and writing it into law, as an alternative to a vague prohibition like "...with any detectable amount of (list of banned substances)."


Interesting, that makes sense (even though I'd never thought of that). Do we know if Colorado or Washington will implement a ".08" type system for too stoned to drive? (putting aside for the moment the problems with arbitrary limits and personal tolerances, since I know all Farkers are completely sober and able to drive an obstacle course until well past .2 BAC).
 
2012-11-08 04:01:16 PM

whidbey: jigger: Egalitarian: What is the DEA doing about that?

Link

The story is from Aug 14, 2009

Disingenuous, much?


Which one? It was a link to a google search.

You mean the story from September 13, 2012, September 19, 2012, October 17, 2011, etc. etc.?

That's just in Colorado. There were way more in California.

Just search, you'll find plenty more. Don't be deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-11-08 04:09:20 PM

AeAe: gilgigamesh: nekom: dr_blasto: No, they don't have to enforce federal laws.

I wouldn't have thought so, but I recall that question coming up re: illegal aliens in the past.

So what are we going to wind up with here? A brand new federal task force whose sole purpose is to enforce marijuana prohibition in the state of Colorado? That would likely be highly unpopular.

Probably nothing. Growing hasn't been legalized, and you aren't going to have the DEA rolling in to bust up frat parties.

And interesting and sinister tactic the feds have been enforcing in states with growing operations is using the IRS to deny them tax deductions for ordinary businesses expenses, on the theory that deductions have to be directed toward a lawful enterprise. And they are doing it retroactively, I believe, and sending growers tax bills for those deductions dating back to however long they've been around.

Really? I thought personal growing of 6 plants was part of it.


It is. Personal, non-commercial plants up to six.
 
2012-11-08 04:31:16 PM

jigger: You mean the story from September 13, 2012, September 19, 2012, October 17, 2011, etc. etc.?

That's just in Colorado


None of those crackdowns were in Colorado, and none were even near recent.

Stop lying and disrupting threads with disinformation.
 
2012-11-08 05:02:35 PM

whidbey: jigger: You mean the story from September 13, 2012, September 19, 2012, October 17, 2011, etc. etc.?

That's just in Colorado

None of those crackdowns were in Colorado, and none were even near recent.

Stop lying and disrupting threads with disinformation.


Did you even read the links, moron? 

What the hell? Do you refuse to accept the fact that Obama's DEA routinely raids medical marijuana dispensaries, even those that are in full compliance of all state laws?
 
2012-11-08 07:44:18 PM
The family dog is a little safer

Wow, another major win for the people of Colorado against the fascist drug war.
 
2012-11-08 08:06:25 PM

jigger: Did you even read the links, moron?


Yeah I did. Are you for farking real?

They were about recent busts in California and Oregon.

Any mention of Colorado was from LAST FEBRUARY. We are talking about NOW. Or at the most, the last few months.

What the hell? Do you refuse to accept the fact that Obama's DEA routinely raids medical marijuana dispensaries, even those that are in full compliance of all state laws?

That isn't the issue. It's your blatant use of disinformation. What you linked and what you posted were two very different things.
 
2012-11-08 10:11:12 PM

St_Francis_P: robsul82: If voters choose to legalize a drug and the first thing you can think of to mock it is "don't break out the Cheetos," it's a pretty good sign that said drug being illegal is a friggin' joke.
You're ignoring the real and evident harm of Cheetos abuse. That innocent looking orange powder is anything but harmless.

 

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2012-11-09 05:56:11 AM
Was it part of either the WA law or CO law to release any/all marijuana related, non-violent inmates upon legalization? I realize there's the fact it was illegal when these prisoners would have toked up, but it seems like a good faith gesture to commute the sentences and show how serious the state is about the law.

Then again, as far as WA is concerned weed has been pretty decriminilized for a while, so I'm not sure how many people could actually still be in jail because of it. I just remember reading that one of the reasons for the bill was the burgeoning prison populations for what amounts to a fairly victimless crime.
 
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