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2012-11-08 12:33:07 PM  
7 votes:
If I was Mr Rove I would stay away from traveling in light aircraft. Wouldn't be prudent.
2012-11-08 12:32:50 PM  
5 votes:
They got less than nothing.

Their efforts did the exact opposite of what was intended. Their regressive bullshiat actually provoked the younger voters into showing up again.

People get into habits like that. Pretty soon, you're not going to need to prod them to get them to vote.
2012-11-08 01:40:27 PM  
4 votes:
They got something for their money: the GOP branded as the Party of Dishonesty. I heard more than one low info voter talking about how the Romney campaign just seemed to be doing nothing but lying. Congrats GOP.
2012-11-08 12:33:34 PM  
4 votes:
Rove should have ZERO explaining to do. He should be able to walk away and never say another word to these farkers. As much as I dislike Rove, donating to a political campaign or PAC is nothing if not buyer beware.

Not that these douchebags are going to recoup any of their losses, mind you, but if I were Rove I would just shrug and retire.
2012-11-08 12:28:04 PM  
4 votes:
I seriously cannot tell you how happy it makes me that these arrogant oligarchic human pubic lice spent hundreds of millions of dollars confident they could buy this election, believing their own god complex, and got zilch. Nadaski. Zero. Zippo. Not even a single added seat in Congress.

I tell you it renews my faith in humanity. Its like the movie Trading Places, but better and real. My only regret is that I can't be in the head of guys like Sheldon Adelson to bask in the rage and confusion at their little glass sphere being shattered completely.

hahahahahahahahaha
2012-11-08 01:56:40 PM  
3 votes:
This is a case study in the fallacy of "job creators" as primary driver of anything. They spent all that money, and they got absolutely nothing out of it; just barely being able to hang on to a handfull of gerrymandered and previously easily defensible seats like Bachmann and Ryan. They lost to regular people investing their time in making calls and knocking on doors. That labor is the real capital that builds things and changes events. Demand is the "job creator", the Republicans don't represent that, they represent the "rent seekers" more colloquially refered to as "leeches" or "parasites."
2012-11-08 01:37:41 PM  
3 votes:
public.dcexp.com

Here is what we got at the disaster house. This is what Romney's money purchased, it must cost, what a couple bucks per mailing in postage, printing, transportation and staff time. We got one single piece of Obama literature and one piece for Tammy Baldwin. There were also 2 to 6 robo calls per day from the Republicans for the last 4 months, and 2 total calls from the Dems, one of which was a real person. I know that the purpose of this stuff is to make people mad so that they get out and vote "Obama sent your job to China!" "Obama destroyed Medicare!" "Obama killed babies!" but it can certainly backfire if you don't do it right. A lot of money was blown.
2012-11-08 01:18:17 PM  
3 votes:
"It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

For some unfathomable reason, "those" people get offended when you try and obstruct their right to vote. Who knew?
2012-11-08 12:56:28 PM  
3 votes:
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2012-11-08 12:42:14 PM  
3 votes:
i45.tinypic.com
2012-11-08 12:35:04 PM  
3 votes:
Obviously, somebody made a mistake and didn't do things right. There's no question about that

Why can't they see the obvious: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATE WHAT YOU STAND FOR.
2012-11-08 01:45:28 PM  
2 votes:
I wonder if Adelson is getting nervous about the Chinese investigation into his Macau shenanigans now. He won't have a friendly face in the White House to put diplomatic pressure on Beijing to just sweep it under the rug.
2012-11-08 01:16:25 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Rove may have some angry donors on the line, reports the Huffington Post. "The billionaire donors I hear are livid," a Republican operative told the HuffPo. "There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

Been saying this since Tuesday night. Rich Republican donors, you're been lie to for six months. For six months people like Rove have been telling you this was a sure thing, if only you kept the money flowing. Now you've spent all this money only to learn that all the rasmussen polls that they were SWEARING TO YOU were super accurate were all bullshiat to trick you. Now you've spent all this money and the angry black man knows who you are and what you did to fight him and he's going to remember.

So what are you going to do in the future, rich guys? Keep funding the people who lie to your face and piss off the ones who keep winning? Keep your money and stay out of it next time? Maybe start giving to the Democrats in an effort to control or influence them?


to me, the arrogance of these people is amazing. if you spend money it's never a sure thing. if you spend money, sometimes you'll get a return, but there's also the chance you won't get a return. these jackasses have forgotten that a risk NEVER means an automatic return on investment. they're worse than the freaks who refuse to sell their underwater homes unless they can find a sucker who will pay them at a profit!

they spent money, it's gone.. just like they tell us little people. they need to move on. nobody owes them shiat, and that includes Karl Rove in the not owing them shiat.

I hope all these assholes go to jail. I don't care if it is Club Fed, these freaks need to get the indictments they tried to buy their way out of through Romney. Assholes. jail them all.
2012-11-08 01:14:07 PM  
2 votes:
Oh and another thing -- from the Huffpo article that tfa links to:

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."

Could Barbour be any more insulting??!? Okay, last summer I went to an OFA Obama campaign volunteers' meeting held in a very nice retirement high rise overlooking the lake, and a lot of residents attended. I had never before been in a room with so many brainy people, ever. Dismissing many of his volunteers as "blue hairs" -- probably his hardest-working, most dedicated workers at that -- bespeaks some ... shortcomings on Barbour's part. If they didn't get the job done for him, it probably points to serious organizational issues. And since Barbour can't deign to show them love and respect, it shows he's personally out of touch with his own organization and the electorate at large, that he doesn't care to be in touch, and that he's an asshole.
2012-11-08 12:54:32 PM  
2 votes:
"Obviously, somebody made a mistake and didn't do things right. There's no question about that," he said.

The entire GOP for creating such a horse shiat platform riddled with Tea Party Derp and Bible Pounding anti-individual freedom agendas?
2012-11-08 12:50:32 PM  
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

The Operative: Do you know what your sin is, Karl?
Rove: I wonder if...
The Operative: It's pride. You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.
Rove: Well, unfortunately, I forgot to bring a sword.
Rove: [as the Operative pulls out his sword] I would put that down right now if I were you.
The Operative: Would you be killed in your sleep, like an ailing pet?
2012-11-08 12:41:34 PM  
2 votes:

Hotdog453: You don't get to be a billionaire by being completely stupid. This can't come as that big of a shock. They HAD to have seen the other side of things; the reports calling for an Obama victory, Obama polls, etc.


I promise you... no matter how smart someone is, or how much money they have, nobody is immune to groupthink and echo chambers.
2012-11-08 12:39:02 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure enough of the money ended up in Rove's pocket that he doesn't give a rat's ass if the donors are upset.
2012-11-08 12:35:24 PM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: Rove should have ZERO explaining to do. He should be able to walk away and never say another word to these farkers. As much as I dislike Rove, donating to a political campaign or PAC is nothing if not buyer beware.


Rich people didn't get to be rich by believing that "caveat emptor" applies to them.
2012-11-08 12:34:16 PM  
2 votes:
Rove may have some angry donors on the line, reports the Huffington Post. "The billionaire donors I hear are livid," a Republican operative told the HuffPo. "There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

Been saying this since Tuesday night. Rich Republican donors, you're been lie to for six months. For six months people like Rove have been telling you this was a sure thing, if only you kept the money flowing. Now you've spent all this money only to learn that all the rasmussen polls that they were SWEARING TO YOU were super accurate were all bullshiat to trick you. Now you've spent all this money and the angry black man knows who you are and what you did to fight him and he's going to remember.

So what are you going to do in the future, rich guys? Keep funding the people who lie to your face and piss off the ones who keep winning? Keep your money and stay out of it next time? Maybe start giving to the Democrats in an effort to control or influence them?
2012-11-08 12:33:53 PM  
2 votes:
I'm so giddy with schadenfreude it's like I'm walking on sunshine!
2012-11-08 12:33:00 PM  
2 votes:
I don't think Rove is the major problem. He did play a big role in creating this monster, but he also seems to be one of the first Republicans to grasp that they farked up and need to put the monster down. The Teabaggers who farked up the House and put our credit rating in danger during the budget crisis, they need to be taken behind the woodshed.
2012-11-08 12:28:45 PM  
2 votes:
Karl Rove is done. Too many people see right through his belligerent propaganda game anymore. That might've worked in 2000 and 2004, but we're a lot wiser now.

All I can say to him is...
theelephantgun.files.wordpress.com
2012-11-08 12:22:16 PM  
2 votes:
I haven't even had time yet to be happy for Obama. I've spent the last two days laughing at the look on Karl's face when the election got called. It's the same face I hope he has when the pilot announces, "Sorry, folks, our regularly-scheduled Dulles-to-Chicago flight has been rerouted to The Hague."
2012-11-08 09:05:55 PM  
1 votes:
Good. Fark him.
2012-11-08 08:36:45 PM  
1 votes:

Misch: iaazathot: Whoa, didn't know about the second guy. Yeah, Republicans are in no way evil...

I was thinking Ted Stevens.


Huh. I was thinking Mel Carnahan. Link
2012-11-08 06:08:22 PM  
1 votes:

dericwater: impaler: Great_Milenko: Agreed. A michelle bachmann loss would have made it a perfect day, but I guess every Christmas has it's pair of socks.

Bachmann and King. My only 2 disappointments Tuesday night.

Actually, since their claws are all but clipped, it's great to have those two hanging around continuing to make a mockery of the GOP. I'd bet that if there were any two that Rove wanted to see not stay in office, the two you named would be on the top of that list. They're the most face-palmingly disturbed GOP office holders to remind voters of what a stupid party it has. They're worse than Allan West only because West doesn't get on the air as often as these two. Even the pro-rape candidates are not as nationally well known as those two jokers.


i42.photobucket.com

You have no idea how happy your perspective made me.
2012-11-08 03:10:58 PM  
1 votes:
If I was Rove (shudder), I'd look them in the eye and tell them the truth: Romney ran an astoundingly bad campaign.

His pivot to the center was a month after the convention; it should have been as soon as he had the nomination locked up.

His running mate was a pander to the hard right, in a state he had little chance of winning even with Ryan on the ticket. He needed to pander to either the center, or to a swing state. Hello, Rob Portman?

Finally, he never defined an agenda. Everything from Team Romney was a reason that Obama was terrible. But nothing about what Romney would do. In an election that was mostly about jobs, Romney's "Plan" was ridiculously thin on that point. The PDF was 126 pages, jobs came along at page 119. The section was titled "Human Capital" - way to connect with regular folks, there, Mitt - and the only concrete policy proposal was to increase the number of H1B visas.

Romney could have won. He could have portrayed himself as someone who knows how the rich benefit from the system, and pledged to change that. To make taxes fair, to rein in Wall Street, to break up too big to fail banks. Invoke the old trust buster. Teddy Roosevelt. That would put him to the left of Obama on a couple of things, not a bad strategy for siphoning away enthusiasm from a center-right opponent.

A terrible communications strategy and a lack of solid plans.

No amount of ad buys could turn that crazy train around.
2012-11-08 03:07:06 PM  
1 votes:
I think they lost more than Solyndra.

I watched Karl's meltdown live. The other hosts looked downright pleased to be watching him squirm. Chris Wallace was just openly shiatting on him. He tried his best to hedge with "I'm just urging prudence", but that was the look of a man that lied to his bookie and knew that Moose and Rocco were already on the way to collect.
2012-11-08 02:57:34 PM  
1 votes:
The blossom is off the turd.
2012-11-08 02:38:01 PM  
1 votes:
The election outcome:

1. Adelson - extradited to China to face possible death penalty for bribery. Caught trying to escape to Israel and shot.

2. Rove - third arsehole ripped by mysterious texan.

3. Rupert - beats up his purchased gook wife, rubs his depends in her face, and then is handcuffed and sent to the UK to stand trial for the phone tap cover-up.

4. Trump - croaks out on the street and is ignored by people walking by.

5. Limbaugh - literally explodes.
2012-11-08 02:13:54 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: [public.dcexp.com image 640x464]

Here is what we got at the disaster house. This is what Romney's money purchased, it must cost, what a couple bucks per mailing in postage, printing, transportation and staff time. We got one single piece of Obama literature and one piece for Tammy Baldwin. There were also 2 to 6 robo calls per day from the Republicans for the last 4 months, and 2 total calls from the Dems, one of which was a real person. I know that the purpose of this stuff is to make people mad so that they get out and vote "Obama sent your job to China!" "Obama destroyed Medicare!" "Obama killed babies!" but it can certainly backfire if you don't do it right. A lot of money was blown.


It's funny, but when people get junk mail, they glance at it and throw it in the trash. They don't read them unless there are coupons. So, what I see in the pile of fliers you have on your deck, there are a lot of reasonably flattering pictures of Obama, a couple of Romney and a cute baby picture. Glance...trash. So, Obama got exposure in more of the postcards than Romney did.

Kinda like the postcard of the now-Maine senator by her opponents. The smart people voted for a social worker and the stupids voted for an orc rogue with long eyelashes and huge breasts.
2012-11-08 02:13:31 PM  
1 votes:

phaseolus: Oh and another thing -- from the Huffpo article that tfa links to:

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."

Could Barbour be any more insulting??!? Okay, last summer I went to an OFA Obama campaign volunteers' meeting held in a very nice retirement high rise overlooking the lake, and a lot of residents attended. I had never before been in a room with so many brainy people, ever. Dismissing many of his volunteers as "blue hairs" -- probably his hardest-working, most dedicated workers at that -- bespeaks some ... shortcomings on Barbour's part. If they didn't get the job done for him, it probably points to serious organizational issues. And since Barbour can't deign to show them love and respect, it shows he's personally out of touch with his own organization and the electorate at large, that he doesn't care to be in touch, and that he's an asshole.


At least he didn't accuse the Democrats of doing it like a plantation, or a chain gang.

/he is one of the Mississippi ex-KKK Barbours, right?
2012-11-08 01:59:36 PM  
1 votes:
The tsunami that upends the Republican party won't come from screeching teabaggers or from the harrumphing "old guard," but from jackasses who paid out millions on promises that when "their candidates" win, business conditions and tax breaks will let them earn it all back.
2012-11-08 01:57:47 PM  
1 votes:

2wolves: If I was Mr Rove I would stay away from traveling in light aircraft. Wouldn't be prudent.


And because he spent so much of their money, when Rove dies of this mysterious airplane crash, it would just be his body lying in pieces on the ground, but no plane parts in sight.

/Planes are expensive
//Stupid campaign bundlers are cheap
///And disposable
////And no one would shed a tear if that were to happen.
2012-11-08 01:54:58 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: Maybe, just maybe, those donors should have used that money to lure a Republican capable of winning into the primaries.


A Republican capable of winning the general would never pass the tea-bagged primaries. That is the major conundrum that the GOP has. Unless it decides to eschew the whole primary process, they will never be able to get a non-hyperpartisan yahoo past the primaries. That's why Romney had to swing far right during the primaries and then etch-a-sketch himself back to towards the middle. But now, with recordings and ease of finding past speeches, it's very difficult for a candidate to negate everything he said prior to winning the primaries without getting caught.

Luckily for the Democrats, they have no such problem. If someone went overly left and stayed left, it's still a viable platform for the general election.
2012-11-08 01:52:01 PM  
1 votes:

Bf+: iaazathot: Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove: "Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is it real?"

Does she still have a job?

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I'd say so.


Great Googly Moogly.
2012-11-08 01:46:34 PM  
1 votes:

Type_Hard: He's coming for you Rove...

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Adel-son. Adel-son.
six foot twenty farking killin' for fun
he'll kick you apart
he'll kick you apart
2012-11-08 01:46:04 PM  
1 votes:

Martin Silenus: Render him down for the salt!

Rove is going to end up stuffed and mounted. His credibility is shot to Hell. Prepare for the rise of a new neocon hatchet-man over the next four years.


His credibility should have been shot to Hell in 2008.
2012-11-08 01:31:31 PM  
1 votes:

iaazathot: Whoa, didn't know about the second guy. Yeah, Republicans are in no way evil...


I was thinking Ted Stevens.
2012-11-08 01:28:44 PM  
1 votes:
Perhaps investing in jobs or new businesses would have been more profitable, rather than rent seeking by investing in a candidate who will protect your precious tax deductions.
2012-11-08 01:26:13 PM  
1 votes:

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Romney gets to go live out his life on a big farm in the country right? Where he can run and play with other wealthy white males all day long in the sunshine and never have to think about bad, mean old Dumbocrats ever again?


He's already been put out for stud (look at how many kids he has.) Nope, old Mitt is headed to the glue factory.
2012-11-08 01:17:12 PM  
1 votes:
I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

I do.

Big money guys are so often the ones who will say 'Past performance is no guarantee of future returns'.

Investment house speak for 'Your money is gone, piss off'.

Now, I'm sure they won't take kindly to that sort of response, but it's all they got.
2012-11-08 01:04:13 PM  
1 votes:

mrmyxolodian: The man won one election and one lawsuit. Why do people take him so seriously?


He defeated one of the most popular governors Texas ever had and installed the foolish son of a former President. No small task.
2012-11-08 12:56:00 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: NeverDrunk23: Oh no, someone got something. People got to see him make a complete fool of himself, demanding FOX NEWS to stop calling for Obama.

That was definitely worth $390 Million of someone else's money.

kbronsito: I don't think these people got rich by making bad investments. Whatever they expected to get paid back by having a president on their pocket, the party will have to make up by using their congresscritters to benefit these backers.

I think this time around they bought their own hype and thought they could actually buy an election. Just because they're rich doesn't mean they're not morons.


Definitely agree with the last statement. I mean, romney himself is proof that the rich can be stupid. But that farker always found a way to make money on his investments and I'm sure the Koch Bros. and Sheldon Adelson will someone benefit from theirs. The republican party will have to compensate them somehow if they expect support in the future and whatever debts mitt and a republican senate were supposed to repay will be handled by the house and the state legislatures they control.

But it's still nice that they may be feeling butthurt if they bought into the idea that romney could win. They should have checked fivethirtyeight more often.
2012-11-08 12:54:21 PM  
1 votes:
Show of hands: when all that campaign money was being spent, who here personally got any of it?

...and that's the problem. The donors, campaigns and media outlets spent a whole lot of money, but they essentially traded it between each other. All the people who were actually doing the (bulk of the) voting got out of the deal was ad after ad, anger towards their neighbors and robocalls at all hours of the day.
2012-11-08 12:54:05 PM  
1 votes:
i449.photobucket.com
2012-11-08 12:53:15 PM  
1 votes:
One more thing...

Around two days before the election, I began to think that maybe Rove is going to win the 2016 election for Jeb Bush. That Romney was just some easy money but Rove wasn't going to let him win (you can manipulate voting results up or down, you know).

If you'll excuse me, I have to add a new layer to my magnificent tinfoil hat.
2012-11-08 12:50:43 PM  
1 votes:
Poor Turdblossom. He accepted money from rich people. You know, people who don't go to prison for finding "permanent" solutions to their problems.

He's going to be sweating his balls off for the rest of his life. I hope he has a real good security team to protect him from angry billionaires. Of course, he probably hires the same security firms that rich people do. Uh-oh.

Read up on the Tovrea or Zahau murders (both tied to rich Arizonans) if you want to see how rich people get away with murder.
2012-11-08 12:48:40 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Maybe now you libs will quit biatching about billionaires buying elections and Citizens United and Corporations.


Yes, because the SuperPAC negative ad blitzkrieg was such a pleasant experience, we all can't wait to do it again in the midterms.
2012-11-08 12:47:21 PM  
1 votes:
What do you bet that Romney converted a lot of that cash to his own use heh he heh. That's what he does best.
2012-11-08 12:43:29 PM  
1 votes:
Come on! Rove was great! What a mind! You should totally use him in 2016, he just needs more money next time!
2012-11-08 12:43:25 PM  
1 votes:
You would think all these CEOs and moguls would have been able to spot a bad investment. It's almost as though business and politics are two different things.
2012-11-08 12:43:04 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, this situation is terrible. I hope Rove isn't the victim of a tragic hunting accident.
2012-11-08 12:41:48 PM  
1 votes:
Render him down for the salt!

Rove is going to end up stuffed and mounted. His credibility is shot to Hell. Prepare for the rise of a new neocon hatchet-man over the next four years.
2012-11-08 12:41:28 PM  
1 votes:
"There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

They got less then nothing, the donors allied themselves with the losers. I think we found our first group people so rich they have more than they can use, obviously higher taxes won't be a problem for them.
2012-11-08 12:39:20 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: Smackledorfer: Rove should have ZERO explaining to do. He should be able to walk away and never say another word to these farkers. As much as I dislike Rove, donating to a political campaign or PAC is nothing if not buyer beware.

Rich people didn't get to be rich by believing that "caveat emptor" applies to them.

Nicky's methods of betting weren't scientific, but they worked. When he won, he collected. When he lost, he told the bookies to go fark themselves. I mean, what were they going to do, muscle Nicky? Nicky was the muscle.

2012-11-08 12:39:08 PM  
1 votes:
static.seekingalpha.com
Hey there mistah Rove. Ken Adelson sends his regards. Before we get started here, which arm you gonna be using to write your check with?
2012-11-08 12:38:08 PM  
1 votes:

NeverDrunk23: Oh no, someone got something. People got to see him make a complete fool of himself, demanding FOX NEWS to stop calling for Obama.


That was definitely worth $390 Million of someone else's money.

kbronsito: I don't think these people got rich by making bad investments. Whatever they expected to get paid back by having a president on their pocket, the party will have to make up by using their congresscritters to benefit these backers.


I think this time around they bought their own hype and thought they could actually buy an election. Just because they're rich doesn't mean they're not morons.
2012-11-08 12:32:06 PM  
1 votes:
In a thread some months ago, I seem to recall some farker saying "Don't underestimate the effect of $1 Billion in superpac money on the election". Hard to estimate less than zero.

Now let's hope it takes one or two more rounds of wasting enormous sums on people like Rove (but not Rove) before they get the idea and quit doing it.
2012-11-08 12:31:47 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA


Oh no, someone got something. People got to see him make a complete fool of himself, demanding FOX NEWS to stop calling for Obama.
2012-11-08 12:10:01 PM  
1 votes:
Heckuva job, Turdblossom
2012-11-08 12:05:12 PM  
1 votes:
Karl you should just write them a really apologetic suicide note.
 
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