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2012-11-08 01:00:18 PM  

impaler: BKITU: Hotdog453: You don't get to be a billionaire by being completely stupid. This can't come as that big of a shock. They HAD to have seen the other side of things; the reports calling for an Obama victory, Obama polls, etc.

I promise you... no matter how smart someone is, or how much money they have, nobody is immune to groupthink and echo chambers.

Money doesn't buy intelligence.


Right, but in this instance it's not a matter of intelligence; it's a matter of a predictable, common bias. Getting caught in echo chambers and groupthink are bad habits, not marks of low intelligence.

Overcoming our hard-wired tendencies takes a great deal of effort -- even more so if someone is accustomed to making good decisions most of the time... or if the consequences of their bad decisions are hidden from them, such as sycophants are wont to do.
 
2012-11-08 01:00:48 PM  

Bf+: iaazathot: Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove: "Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is it real?"

Does she still have a job?

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I'd say so.


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2012-11-08 01:01:57 PM  
Invest in pork bellies!

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2012-11-08 01:02:51 PM  
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2012-11-08 01:03:44 PM  
You would think that with $390 million he could have found someone decent who wanted the job.

I don't really trust anyone who wants to be POTUS.
 
2012-11-08 01:04:13 PM  

mrmyxolodian: The man won one election and one lawsuit. Why do people take him so seriously?


He defeated one of the most popular governors Texas ever had and installed the foolish son of a former President. No small task.
 
2012-11-08 01:05:39 PM  

Gosling: Show of hands: when all that campaign money was being spent, who here personally got any of it?

...and that's the problem. The donors, campaigns and media outlets spent a whole lot of money, but they essentially traded it between each other. All the people who were actually doing the (bulk of the) voting got out of the deal was ad after ad, anger towards their neighbors and robocalls at all hours of the day.


Not really. I met a couple of campaign workers who told me what they got paid for the day. People got paid for some jobs. Also, local sign companies and printers, billboard companies, local TV stations, radio stations and so on got money for advertisement. The call centers ordered pizza. Rents were paid to landlords of popup stores. Models were paid to pose for print ads. Thanks to unions, actors and crew were paid for filming TV and internet ads. Money got spread around. So that's, at least, a good thing.
 
2012-11-08 01:06:29 PM  

Infernalist: As has been said, rich men don't stay rich by throwing money away on bad investments and after TWO failed consecutive national elections that cost them billions of dollars, they have to be wondering if they wouldn't be better off cutting a deal with the Democrats instead of funding the Keystone Kops.


Boehner and McConnell will be waiting in line behind Karl, I feel certain.
 
2012-11-08 01:07:01 PM  
He will be back. This guy is like Darth Vader of elections, he may lose a battle but he will keep showing up in sequels.
 
2012-11-08 01:07:53 PM  
Sheldon taking Rove for a Duck hunt outing soon?
 
2012-11-08 01:09:12 PM  

kbronsito: But it's still nice that they may be feeling butthurt if they bought into the idea that romney could win. They should have checked fivethirtyeight more often.


Or even once.
 
2012-11-08 01:09:26 PM  
Judging from the kind of people that Rove ripped off, would it end up something like this?


25.media.tumblr.com

Leave the political contributions receipts. Take the cannolis
 
2012-11-08 01:10:10 PM  
Sheldon Adelson wants his money back, claiming Romney-Bot was defective. He should've read the disclaimer on Romney-bot: "Malfunction voids all pays and plays."
 
2012-11-08 01:10:35 PM  
Have to imagine Rove making phonecalls on Tuesday night...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-08 01:11:47 PM  

Therion: Hara-kiri is such a vulgar word, Karl. Try seppuku instead.


Better yet: eat a bullet

gilgigamesh: I seriously cannot tell you how happy it makes me that these arrogant oligarchic human pubic lice spent hundreds of millions of dollars confident they could buy this election, believing their own god complex, and got zilch. Nadaski. Zero. Zippo. Not even a single added seat in Congress.

I tell you it renews my faith in humanity. Its like the movie Trading Places, but better and real. My only regret is that I can't be in the head of guys like Sheldon Adelson to bask in the rage and confusion at their little glass sphere being shattered completely.

hahahahahahahahaha


All of this brah.

/TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!
//TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!
///lulzs
 
2012-11-08 01:11:51 PM  

gilgigamesh: MrBallou: Now let's hope it takes one or two more rounds of wasting enormous sums on people like Rove (but not Rove) before they get the idea and quit doing it.

Hey, they're actually putting money into the economy and actually creating jobs with money they would otherwise just horde.

I can't believe I am saying this, but God bless Citizens United.


I know. It's a Stimulus Package. Oh, the sweet schadenfreuden.
 
2012-11-08 01:12:37 PM  

Arkanaut: 2wolves: If I was Mr Rove I would stay away from traveling in light aircraft. Wouldn't be prudent.

Are you thinking of Wellstone or this guy?


Whoa, didn't know about the second guy. Yeah, Republicans are in no way evil...
 
2012-11-08 01:13:01 PM  

Goodfella: Judging from the kind of people that Rove ripped off, would it end up something like this?


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Leave the political contributions receipts. Take the cannolis


I'm more thinking:
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They're tired of Felelein's, er, Rove's antics so they're just going to take care of the problem.
 
2012-11-08 01:13:44 PM  

theorellior: Infernalist: As has been said, rich men don't stay rich by throwing money away on bad investments and after TWO failed consecutive national elections that cost them billions of dollars, they have to be wondering if they wouldn't be better off cutting a deal with the Democrats instead of funding the Keystone Kops.

Boehner and McConnell will be waiting in line behind Karl, I feel certain.


If anyone deserves the blame for the Senate debacle, it's whoever heads the NRSC. Cornyn, I think.
 
2012-11-08 01:14:07 PM  
Oh and another thing -- from the Huffpo article that tfa links to:

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."

Could Barbour be any more insulting??!? Okay, last summer I went to an OFA Obama campaign volunteers' meeting held in a very nice retirement high rise overlooking the lake, and a lot of residents attended. I had never before been in a room with so many brainy people, ever. Dismissing many of his volunteers as "blue hairs" -- probably his hardest-working, most dedicated workers at that -- bespeaks some ... shortcomings on Barbour's part. If they didn't get the job done for him, it probably points to serious organizational issues. And since Barbour can't deign to show them love and respect, it shows he's personally out of touch with his own organization and the electorate at large, that he doesn't care to be in touch, and that he's an asshole.
 
2012-11-08 01:15:50 PM  
Rove should have ZERO explaining to do. He should be able to walk away and never say another word to these farkers. As much as I dislike Rove, donating to a political campaign or PAC is nothing if not buyer beware.

This

A donation is not an investment, it is a gift. There are no strings attached.

The Weeners in the article says it eloquently:
whitewolf • 5 hours ago −
Most of us did our research, listened to what the candidates had to say (fighting the campaigns and media filters - and the candidate's own mendacity as best we could), pondered, prayed and voted.

Now we know the election is over and we;re feeling the joy or pain depending on who won or lost - and trust me, we've all been there. But regardless of of where we line up on the political spectrum, most people hope the government will function, with elected officials recognizing their responsibilities and the will of the people.

But Rove's billionaires, they feel different. And they are frickin' pissed that their "investment" in the election didn't give them the bill of goods for which they "paid."

Regardless of how one feels about any given issue or policy, can we all agree that it is disgusting and beneath us as a people to think such imbeciles live among us, no matter how well they dress and how many cars or airplanes they own?

My family is doing fairly well, better than a lot of people . . . though a universe away from the lives of the wealthiest Americans. But I have never thought I deserved a certain election outcome because of my "investment" in it. The concept, frankly, seems un-American. That's the mildest way I can put it.
 
2012-11-08 01:16:17 PM  
Funny, I would be willing to pay 390 million dollars to be a on fly on the wall during that conference call...
 
2012-11-08 01:16:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Rove may have some angry donors on the line, reports the Huffington Post. "The billionaire donors I hear are livid," a Republican operative told the HuffPo. "There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

Been saying this since Tuesday night. Rich Republican donors, you're been lie to for six months. For six months people like Rove have been telling you this was a sure thing, if only you kept the money flowing. Now you've spent all this money only to learn that all the rasmussen polls that they were SWEARING TO YOU were super accurate were all bullshiat to trick you. Now you've spent all this money and the angry black man knows who you are and what you did to fight him and he's going to remember.

So what are you going to do in the future, rich guys? Keep funding the people who lie to your face and piss off the ones who keep winning? Keep your money and stay out of it next time? Maybe start giving to the Democrats in an effort to control or influence them?


to me, the arrogance of these people is amazing. if you spend money it's never a sure thing. if you spend money, sometimes you'll get a return, but there's also the chance you won't get a return. these jackasses have forgotten that a risk NEVER means an automatic return on investment. they're worse than the freaks who refuse to sell their underwater homes unless they can find a sucker who will pay them at a profit!

they spent money, it's gone.. just like they tell us little people. they need to move on. nobody owes them shiat, and that includes Karl Rove in the not owing them shiat.

I hope all these assholes go to jail. I don't care if it is Club Fed, these freaks need to get the indictments they tried to buy their way out of through Romney. Assholes. jail them all.
 
2012-11-08 01:17:06 PM  

Great_Milenko: Agreed. A michelle bachmann loss would have made it a perfect day, but I guess every Christmas has it's pair of socks.


Bachmann and King. My only 2 disappointments Tuesday night.
 
2012-11-08 01:17:12 PM  
I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

I do.

Big money guys are so often the ones who will say 'Past performance is no guarantee of future returns'.

Investment house speak for 'Your money is gone, piss off'.

Now, I'm sure they won't take kindly to that sort of response, but it's all they got.
 
2012-11-08 01:18:13 PM  
Can I send him a check if promises to stick with the same strategy?
 
2012-11-08 01:18:17 PM  
"It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

For some unfathomable reason, "those" people get offended when you try and obstruct their right to vote. Who knew?
 
2012-11-08 01:20:31 PM  
The money and the teabaggers will be screaming for blood, while the brains will be saying that it's time to tone things down and fix the brand before the midterms. Of course, the money and the derp will win, as always.
 
2012-11-08 01:20:48 PM  
The best part of this call has to be when someone asks Rove "What now?" What answer can he give but "Well, in 2014 we'll spend even more money..."
 
2012-11-08 01:21:14 PM  

NowhereMon: Clearly there should be a tax credit for political expenditures. Poors get to write off their gambling losses. Damn government.


I think you're joking, but you can only write off gambling losses up to the amount you won. So if you lose and never win, you can't write anything off. If you lost $1,000, but won $100 you can only write $100 off.
 
2012-11-08 01:21:16 PM  

that bosnian sniper: God damn this election is the gift that keeps on giving.


No shiat brah. It's like the political equivalent of Mardi Gras; only things we're missing are the beads, women flashing their boobs at us and loud music

/We can always get good brew though
//and their whining does substitute for the loud music
///it's just as pleasing
 
2012-11-08 01:22:45 PM  
Now, did the use one of Mitt's horses for the head that Karl found in bed on Wednesday morning?
 
2012-11-08 01:23:22 PM  

gilgigamesh: Its like the movie Trading Places, but better and real.


You mean he's going to be locked in a cage with a horny gorilla? Coz that would put a smile on my face.

/if it's legitimate, his body has a way of shutting that down.
 
2012-11-08 01:24:25 PM  

phaseolus: Oh and another thing -- from the Huffpo article that tfa links to:

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."


So the Democrats run things like a business.

Interesting...
 
2012-11-08 01:24:38 PM  
Romney gets to go live out his life on a big farm in the country right? Where he can run and play with other wealthy white males all day long in the sunshine and never have to think about bad, mean old Dumbocrats ever again?
 
2012-11-08 01:26:09 PM  

THX 1138: gilgigamesh: Its like the movie Trading Places, but better and real.

You mean he's going to be locked in a cage with a horny gorilla? Coz that would put a smile on my face.

/if it's legitimate, his body has a way of shutting that down.


www.jonhusby.com
 
2012-11-08 01:26:13 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Romney gets to go live out his life on a big farm in the country right? Where he can run and play with other wealthy white males all day long in the sunshine and never have to think about bad, mean old Dumbocrats ever again?


He's already been put out for stud (look at how many kids he has.) Nope, old Mitt is headed to the glue factory.
 
2012-11-08 01:26:45 PM  

Aarontology: I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."


Credit where do: it would have been a lot worse without that spending.
 
2012-11-08 01:27:36 PM  

impaler: So the Democrats run things like a business.


That can't be right! Democraps are all socialest fascist libtard Marxists who want to order their free Cadillacs with their Obamaphones!
 
2012-11-08 01:28:44 PM  
Perhaps investing in jobs or new businesses would have been more profitable, rather than rent seeking by investing in a candidate who will protect your precious tax deductions.
 
2012-11-08 01:29:22 PM  

Cinaed: I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."

I do.

Big money guys are so often the ones who will say 'Past performance is no guarantee of future returns'.

Investment house speak for 'Your money is gone, piss off'.

Now, I'm sure they won't take kindly to that sort of response, but it's all they got.


And like I said, in Sheldon Adelson's casino-speak, "Malfunction voids all pays and plays."
 
2012-11-08 01:31:23 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Obviously, somebody made a mistake and didn't do things right. There's no question about that

Why can't they see the obvious: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATE WHAT YOU STAND FOR.


YES BUT IF I SPEND ENOUGH MONEY I CAN CONVINCE THEM OTHERWISE.

Look, I built an empire on telling people attractive lies about products I sell, and I'll be GOD DAMNED if I stop now.
 
2012-11-08 01:31:31 PM  

iaazathot: Whoa, didn't know about the second guy. Yeah, Republicans are in no way evil...


I was thinking Ted Stevens.
 
2012-11-08 01:32:58 PM  
The Republicans spent so much money on trying to beat the President that they improved the economy thereby ensuring his re-election.
 
2012-11-08 01:35:06 PM  

impaler: phaseolus: Oh and another thing -- from the Huffpo article that tfa links to:

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."

So the Democrats run things like a business.

Interesting...



That's not the best analogy. A ground game's more like a game of Go on a continental scale with an army of a hundred thousand volunteers keeping track of the board.
 
2012-11-08 01:36:19 PM  
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As God as my witness, I thought '08 turnouts were a fluke.
 
2012-11-08 01:37:41 PM  
public.dcexp.com

Here is what we got at the disaster house. This is what Romney's money purchased, it must cost, what a couple bucks per mailing in postage, printing, transportation and staff time. We got one single piece of Obama literature and one piece for Tammy Baldwin. There were also 2 to 6 robo calls per day from the Republicans for the last 4 months, and 2 total calls from the Dems, one of which was a real person. I know that the purpose of this stuff is to make people mad so that they get out and vote "Obama sent your job to China!" "Obama destroyed Medicare!" "Obama killed babies!" but it can certainly backfire if you don't do it right. A lot of money was blown.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:27 PM  
They got something for their money: the GOP branded as the Party of Dishonesty. I heard more than one low info voter talking about how the Romney campaign just seemed to be doing nothing but lying. Congrats GOP.
 
2012-11-08 01:43:40 PM  
In other words:

Rove v W(e P)aid
 
2012-11-08 01:43:45 PM  

jayhawk88: The best part of this call has to be when someone asks Rove "What now?" What answer can he give but "Well, in 2014 we'll spend even more money..."


Rove is just slimy enough to convince these jackasses that the problem was that they didn't spend enough. Adelson claimed he was prepared to spend $100M. AFAIK, he didn't spend nearly that much. Next time, perhaps he won't be so stingy.
 
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