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(The Atlantic Wire)   Ahh the grand traditions of American Presidential democracy: the gracious concession speech by the loser, the unity speech by the victor, the back-stabbing, ass-covering post-mortems by the losing campaign's staffers..,   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 82
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2012-11-08 02:12:09 PM  

thornhill: I have no doubt that the GOP solution will be to put a Latino on the ticket in 2016. Gov. Susana Martinez seems highly likely to be the VP nominee.


Which will most likely fail for the same reason that having Palin as the VP picked failed: being corrupt, crazy and/or incompetent outweighs them being the same race or gender as the voters you're attempting to pander to.
 
2012-11-08 02:13:33 PM  
What's this "media blackout on Benghazi" I keep hearing about?
 
2012-11-08 02:14:02 PM  

Therion: but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare


As it stands, they wouldn't shut the fark up about those. Not sure how they could have talked about them "more".
 
2012-11-08 02:16:53 PM  
According to the National Review's source, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie "went out of his way to embrace the president during the final week of the campaign... It wasn't necessary and it hurt us.

Fark you, you self absorbed asshole. It wasn't supposed to be political, a major storm hit, and FEMA responded far faster and more effectively then under the last President. Said president was also in the storm ravaged areas immediately, which wasn't true for his predecessor. Thanking the nation's leader for acting like leader is COMPLETELY fine, and only assholes like this "unnamed source" are too stuck on themselves to realize this.
 
2012-11-08 02:17:25 PM  
It would seem the republican party as a whole doesn't honestly think they need to change any of their views. I keep seeing them on the news saying, "Our views aren't the problem, conservative values are something everyone can get behind, we just didn't get the message out well enough." I want to be outraged by their stupidity, but if they keep it up they'll probably lose elections at ever increasing frequencies. So I guess I'm fine with it.
 
2012-11-08 02:18:30 PM  
The bottom line is that the GOP thinks that Americans are a hell of a lot dumber than they actually are.
 
rka
2012-11-08 02:23:43 PM  

AutumnWind: The GOP shouldn't focus on outdated social issues


What else do they have?

National Security? No. None buys that anymore and sabre rattling has gotten old.
Economy? Hah. They couldn't balance the budget on a teeter-totter that stretched to the moon.

The Republican (sane) platforms have been co-opted by the Democrats as they moved to the center. All the Republicans have left is outdated social issues. Barry Goldwater would be a Democrat today.
 
2012-11-08 02:24:53 PM  

thornhill: I have no doubt that the GOP solution will be to put a Latino on the ticket in 2016.


"Hey, let's put a woman on the ticket. That will prove that we like women!"

"Hey, let's put a latino on the ticket. That will prove that we like latinos!"

Another friendly suggestion: Good policy stances towards women / latinos are a hell of a lot more meaningful than finding token figures that will overlook your horrible stances towards women / latinos.
 
2012-11-08 02:36:51 PM  

gingerjet: mrshowrules: George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.

Tom Cruise

/one senior leader of a cult playing another senior leader of a cult


No, this is the role that Barry Bostwick was born to play. Hell, a young Mitt Romney even looks eerily like Brad Majors
 
2012-11-08 02:38:13 PM  
Their MESSAGE was undermined by people understanding their INTENTIONS.
 
2012-11-08 02:39:16 PM  
It was the Republican's election to lose, and lose it they did. Obama should have been an easy mark considering the state of the economy, and they managed to turn a slam-dunk into a brutal beating. Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months. They just... couldn't... HELP themselves though. They had to blurt out stupidity about rape, birth control, minorities, etc. It was a goddamn cavalcade of gaffes about issues that Republicans, by and large, do have popular views on. All they really needed to do to win was to give us a few solid candidates - people who were strong on economic issues without focusing so hard on social issues. Had they given us that, it would have been a clean sweep for the R's. Instead we got a Mormon plutocrat and Rapin' Todd Akin. If the Republicans want to know who to blame, they need to look in the mirror. Don't blame Sandy, the "liberal media", voter fraud, etc. They had this in the bag, and they blew it. Plain and simple.
 
2012-11-08 02:39:17 PM  

Magorn: gingerjet: mrshowrules: George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.

Tom Cruise

/one senior leader of a cult playing another senior leader of a cult

No, this is the role that Barry Bostwick was born to play. Hell, a young Mitt Romney even looks eerily like Brad Majors


And everyone can enjoy yelling ASSHOLE! at the screen.
 
2012-11-08 02:41:51 PM  

mod3072: It was the Republican's election to lose, and lose it they did. Obama should have been an easy mark considering the state of the economy, and they managed to turn a slam-dunk into a brutal beating. Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months. They just... couldn't... HELP themselves though. They had to blurt out stupidity about rape, birth control, minorities, etc. It was a goddamn cavalcade of gaffes about issues that Republicans, by and large, do have popular views on. All they really needed to do to win was to give us a few solid candidates - people who were strong on economic issues without focusing so hard on social issues. Had they given us that, it would have been a clean sweep for the R's. Instead we got a Mormon plutocrat and Rapin' Todd Akin. If the Republicans want to know who to blame, they need to look in the mirror. Don't blame Sandy, the "liberal media", voter fraud, etc. They had this in the bag, and they blew it. Plain and simple.


That's what they get for not distinguishing between politics and religion/morality.
 
2012-11-08 02:42:02 PM  
I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.
 
2012-11-08 02:53:00 PM  

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


Joe Isuzu.
 
2012-11-08 02:53:04 PM  
FTA: One anonymous Romney adviser to Mitt Romney blames not the issues, but the selling of them.

Ignoring the incredibly stupid idea that it wasn't Mitt Romney's positions, but instead how he sold them, for a moment...that is some pisspoor writing right there.
 
2012-11-08 03:00:48 PM  
It'll never happen but the obvious choice to play Mittens is...

3.bp.blogspot.com

Mr. Bruce Campbell.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:43 PM  

propasaurus: I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.


I'f you've spent the last 20 years throwing people out of your tent, don't act surprised when you're the only one left. I'm a republican and I'm fairly ashamed at how they've behaved lately
 
2012-11-08 03:08:28 PM  

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


I really hope they make one. Game Change was a good watch. Julianne Moore was fantastic.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:59 PM  
Wow. Its amazing these rubes were able to manage getting almost half the country to vote for them.
 
2012-11-08 03:22:04 PM  

un4gvn666: FTA: One anonymous Romney adviser to Mitt Romney blames not the issues, but the selling of them.

Ignoring the incredibly stupid idea that it wasn't Mitt Romney's positions, but instead how he sold them, for a moment...that is some pisspoor writing right there.


Mitt Romney held positions? On issues? Why wasn't I informed of this earlier?
 
2012-11-08 03:52:23 PM  

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


John Travolta. Book it. Done.
 
2012-11-08 04:46:06 PM  

shabu: propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?

John Travolta. Book it. Done.


Nah, he already played Clinton.
 
2012-11-08 04:52:13 PM  

Neeek: Mitt Romney held positions? On issues? Why wasn't I informed of this earlier?


Are you kidding? He held ALL of the positions on ALL of the issues.
 
2012-11-08 04:53:21 PM  

Therion: but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare



I don't think it would have been possible to talk about it more.
 
2012-11-08 05:36:47 PM  
I'm not a supporter of Chris Christie, but mentioning him in the same breath as Mourdock and Akin is pretty terrible.

good luck unseating him in the primary, tea-tards.
 
2012-11-08 05:44:23 PM  

mrshowrules: Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind

There was a tactic Romney could have done that would have won him the election. He could have linked Obama to Bush's policies and he should have put more distance between his policies and Bush's.


That's sheer genius. You should be a political adviser.
 
2012-11-08 05:46:54 PM  

dumbobruni: I'm not a supporter of Chris Christie, but mentioning him in the same breath as Mourdock and Akin is pretty terrible.

good luck unseating him in the primary, tea-tards.


Chris Christie is a pragmatist, and as such he'll have a hard time getting the nomination. Which is a shame, because I'd probably vote for the guy, and I haven't voted for a Republican president since 1972.
 
2012-11-08 06:04:59 PM  

mod3072: Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months.


I disagree. While the comments about rape were fairly polarizing, there was enough fodder regarding the budget, economy and healthcare that the Democrats could have stuck back.
 
2012-11-08 08:59:38 PM  

propasaurus: I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.



I just had an argument with my Aunt on facebook. She started it off by biatching about "4 more years of people on food stamps stealing my money". I pointed her to the many sources of available information that shows that food stamps are one of the most successful and efficient programs in the country, scientific studies, etc. She dismissed it all by saying "you're wrong, that's not what I see". So then I got into a long and lengthy dissertation about how anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence of anything and so on. I admit I wrote too much, but all of it was fact-based, which she summarily rejected.

A bunch of back-and-forths later, I suddenly realised that she was actually just assuming that every single black person she sees is on food stamps, and therefore anything they own is proof that they're stealing from her.

I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.
 
2012-11-09 11:12:36 AM  

MithrandirBooga: I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.


You should have just said, "your beliefs are stupid and wrong and they aren't based on anything but your gut instincts. And you'll be dead some day, and there won't be anyone to take up your dumb beliefs. So I'll win."
 
2012-11-09 03:51:35 PM  
MithrandirBooga:
I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.


I grok. I have family who I love more than I hate their opinions, but that doesn't reduce the bile I feel listening to them. I sometimes imagine I've been visited by Lilliputians, and they are merely expanding on the egg breaking issue in a different way. It adds a certain sense of whimsey and makes everything a bit more endurable.

The hard core conservatives who biatch about welfare queens and Adam and Steve and secret muslims do seem to come from a different world. I try to take joy that I don't live on their planet, but they have to live on Blefuscu.
 
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